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Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

Started by gotoluc, March 23, 2018, 10:12:45 AM

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alan

Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 01, 2022, 08:20:57 AM
Hello Alan,

Simple...Pierre has 6 Poles on his rotary field...that cuts the frequency in like 1/6th...like in a 4 pole exciter generator it only requires 1500 RPM's to make 50Hz...or 1800 (1/2 of 2 poles @3600RPM's) to go 60Hz

Of course Lenz would always be there...but Lenz can not act over a massless field displacement...Lenz acts only over steel mass cores. The most it would do is to increase the Input currents, but much less tan whenever trying to stop a physically rotating mass of steel and copper coils...just "nickel and dimes"...or like 0.20 to 0.50 amps.

Regards

Ufopolitics
Thanks for your comment. 
In the DZ gen video the field is rotating slowly according to the leds and iron filings, around 1,5Hz? So 90rpm. If it was 1,67Hz and each of 36 coils (singular or paired) created a sine sequentially, then that would be 60Hz. If 2 coils at a time excite the center coil, then it does resemble Figuera.   
Maybe I'm seeing it incorrectly, still trying to wrap my mind around it. 
Lenz acts on and counters the change in flux, a coil doesn't know how the change is caused, the countering is manifested with mass as drag and with massless as back emf in the primary coil causing a higher V*I.

Ufopolitics

Quote from: alan on June 01, 2022, 08:47:19 AM
 
Thanks for your comment. 
In the DZ gen video the field is rotating slowly according to the leds and iron filings, around 1,5Hz? So 90rpm. If it was 1,67Hz and each of 36 coils (singular or paired) created a sine sequentially, then that would be 60Hz. If 2 coils at a time excite the center coil, then it does resemble Figuera.

Figuera is a completely different thing...Figuera never had a full 360° rotation of a Virtual Field, but a Linear ramp up-down of the Field(s) by increasing-decreasing currents...so please do not confuse them.

Pierre had Six Poles where each N-S config worked across diametrically aiming towards center.

He added the 6 poles in order to reduce its operating frequency, so relays do not overheat or overworked during operation...and still they end up burning out.

Quote from: alan on June 01, 2022, 08:47:19 AMMaybe I'm seeing it incorrectly, still trying to wrap my mind around it. 
Lenz acts on and counters the change in flux, a coil doesn't know how the change is caused, the countering is manifested with mass as drag and with massless as back emf in the primary coil causing a higher V*I.

Whenever you get the "touch" by working on these systems (like I have for many years) ...you will learn that Lenz does not affect voltage, but only Currents(I)...As Lenz becomes totally dependent of the frequency you are making the Field rotate...the higher it goes, the less you will see Lenz acting...and actually, there is a point where the opposite will take place...when you load it, currents reduce at input...yes, like magic...I have seen it and done it...have proof.

This have the same principle of a symmetric DC motor Armature...except coils/core are static while field is the one moving...but it results in the same principle...higher speeds, currents comes down and if keeping steady speed...currents will end up stabilizing.

Problem is to keep also the induction at higher levels...under load...but that could be solved in a future with a very fast response AVR.

Cheers

Ufopolitics
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alan

When looking at the leds of the transistor we can see 3 pairs of leds are activated at a time in sequential order, 2 then the next 2. So I am thinking 3 poles of Partnered coils to redirect Lenz (Sykes-pairs, credits to him for his long time contribution). 
Or each transistor pair is controlling N and opposite S, 6 poles like you said.   
Trying to figuera it out step by step.

Ufopolitics

Quote from: alan on June 01, 2022, 10:00:04 AM
When looking at the leds of the transistor we can see 3 pairs of leds are activated at a time in sequential order, 2 then the next 2. So I am thinking 3 poles of Partnered coils to redirect Lenz (Sykes-pairs, credits to him for his long time contribution). 
Or each transistor pair is controlling N and opposite S, 6 poles like you said.   
Trying to figuera it out step by step.

These systems work better (*Induction gain wise) when poles of same field (same field because coils are turned on at unison) are triggered across in 180°...it could be from outside inwards like DZ or from inside outwards like I am working on, same thing...different spatial positioning.

But this goes a bit more clever...see Pierre had 36 slots on his core, that allowed him to add 36 coils where 18 contained 3 poles and other 18 were the other 3 poles, However, he managed to always keeping the whole six rotating poles "alive" by only reversing a minority of coils on both ends of half circumference or at 180°...can you see/picture that?

And pls, do not take me wrong, Figuera, which I also tried to replicate a long ago, is based on also moving the Virtual Field without moving any parts...what I was referring specifically was the way Figuera moved the field...linearly versus circular and continuously.

The chances of collapsing the field (a big "no, no" on these systems) on Figuera is very high...versus a continuous smooth rotation is easier to track.

I see Figuera handicap in moving field that way, linearly...

Cheers

Ufopolitics
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alan

Is the rotating flux even seen as varying flux by the coil? Only when flux varies can it generate an emf and current. Or is it static but not static? Moving, rotating but not varying the number of flux lines? The secondary coil is at the center.