Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[stivep]

Lower frequency,lower losses.Yes indeed.
But at the same time, the energy transferred by such a low-frequency wave is also less. Am I right ?  In any way, I'd like to do it.

_{What makes me  not so happy  is that  some guys from the audience including you do not read carefully what I write.
Please note that this is USA not Russia where BS is not easily  accepted by general public,. and not accepted at all by professionals.
However we are dedicated to help  educationally each other so I do every day.}

In here meaning of words <sub>(- every single word) describes  details .
These details are  like the elements of carboard based Jigsaw Puzzle Wedding Ceremony.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/jigsaw-puzzle-wedding-ceremony--582160689341905530/
- wedding "your desire to  have FE" with  "your little pieces of knowledge" about a process I'm talking about.
(Both are  the non perfect  elements we are trying to make  more  perfect,) -  that is how marriage works  in human world.</sub>


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Level of complication of  FE or energy transfer A to B,
-  using Surface Wave ^{(known as  Zenneck Wave)} in form of flat waveguide ^{(known as Interface.)}
<sub>You or 4 years old boy/girl , can see immediately that something is missing (like one element  of that puzzle ).
That is the typical level  of complication ( of assembling) many things  around us.( like: the Ikea bookshelf made from pieces )

The difference between you and that 4 years old child-
To make  every single element of puzzle  for that child   you need:
- to  know (at minimum) properties of a material used.
- have (at minimum) tools to  cut it.

And for all of that you need some education- not much but  much enough = understanding.:</sub>
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I gave you specific quote  you  did not understand :
^{in https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582196/#msg582196}

_{Free-space loss increases with the square of distance between the antennas because the radio waves spread out
by the inverse square law and} decreases _{with the square of the wavelength of the radio waves}

_{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss}
It is  the element  of puzzle for 4 years old  boy you need to understand as an adult.- all its properties and  application.
You may not need to know all theory  but you need to know that it  exists.
Then I said in  the same comment :

Inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides.

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Then I said in the same comment :

We are not talking about totally  no losses in waveguide but about different  character of losses where
inverse square law  "doesn't work"

Conclusion:
Not going to all theory.
<sub>-electromagnetic wave at 17kHz  and wave in  frequency of visible light, or  infrared, or ultraviolet, or x-ray or gamma
   are all  electromagnetic waves and can be modulated- it means can become carriers  of  logical information 
   if we need  to use them for communication.
- electromagnetic wave by itself is having energy represented and carried on by photons (wave energy carrier,) even if it is not modulated.
- the higher is the frequency the more energy is in each single period of it. -waves/a/light-electromagnetic-spectrum
  that is  why  ultraviolet, or x-ray or gamma are dangerous to our  health
- visible light energy per period is what our organs are made to survive .
- All lower frequencies than light are considered totally safe to us.</sub>
BUT:
<sub>there  is another  factor :
-the time of exposure to a radiation with respect to described by me previously inverse square law ( distance from the source e.g. Tx)
PHOTON (THE  ELECTROMAGNERTIC WAVE CARIER)  can't  exchange energy with another wave photon (even if frequency of wave is exactly the same) in the free space.
Photon can only exchange energy  with matter - usually depositing its energy with it  in form of heat.
Example: 10kW transmitter or more , at any  frequency of electromagnetic  wave considered safe in 1~inch from your body may heat it creating  damage,
It could be even 5W in frequency of 144MHz 2m( ham radio band) if  you have inside of your  ear  headset 
connected to a hand-held, portable, two-way radio transceiver.  having  improperly  insolated shield. You  may feel heat in  your  ear.
(That headset  wire  that has a length ~1/4 y, resonates with the RubberDuck antenna of the handheld)
Microwave works similar way at usually 2.4GHz. The longer is time of exposure of it  the more food is  heated.
But you are  outside of microwave isolated by its  shield  acting like a faraday  cage. https://mdcreekmore.com/make-a-faraday-cage/
The inverse square law makes that 5W of your handheld  transceiver  totally safe  just 3mm ( 1/8") from your ear with that faulty headset wire
- or if you have 10kW transmitter(Tx) and you are  2m(6ft) from  its transmitting antenna.( if properly impedance matched)
(It means  2m(6ft) from your body, during the time of transmission(e.g. 2 minutes)</sub>

So time here is important.
_{The important to us frequency 17kHz or any other frequency e.g 2.4Ghz having power of 10kW with properly  impedance matched
load( e.g. antenna  or  Tesla Tower, at the distance of 1m(3ft) can be considered safe during the certain  time.
But 1kW at even  70cm( 450MHz) is no  problem in this scenario.
We are working  usually at frequencies of HF or VLF using for tests  not more than 100W so  we can forget it.
Now the words you are waiting for:
Amount of energy per period is not important at VHF, HF, LF  or VLF . The only what counts is energy delivered
to/and the properly tuned( impedance matched) an antenna.( e.g .Tesla Coil)}
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_{Energy (power in W) in form of electromagnetic wave , delivered to the Tesla Coil or vertical dipole 
having  counterpoise  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoise_(ground_system)
goes to the 2D interface (-e.g earth or water as conductive medium and  Air as  dielectric) and is received by another  such structure
(e.g exactly the same ) or any other but resonating at the same  frequency.
The amount of losses in the process becomes lower and close to  none  when frequency used becomes lower and lower.
The amount of energy  transferred depends at first from  power of the transmitter (Tx)
If we use Energy extraction instead of Energy Transfer A to B than amount of energy received by receiver (Rx)
depends from  energy available in the Interface.( our FE)
Interface is not a capacitor AND IS NOT  an energy storage  like battery.
Interface is just a  bridge between  Tx and Rx .}
Interface  has reactive character
Example:
<sub>Instead of  above Interface we  picture two children holding  rope at two ends.
- the rope is  the interface between the two children.
- any of the children can be the Tx and another Rx.
- If Rx starts to pull the rope, the Tx  feels the force.
Tx can allow  his energy to go to Rx till he can't  hold the rope any longer.( weak  Tx)
If Tx  doesn't have any more  energy than link is broken. No more energy.</sub>
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https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg569399/#msg569399


Every word in this last part is important to FE and/or A to B energy transfer experimenter.



_{Legal note:
Opinion expressed is my own and/or I do  not  propose or recommend or state use of  the contained text to anyone.
Text from above or any text of mine should be  understood as educational  and "may not"  be free  from errors}.
Wesley

[kolbacict]

No,no. I understand all. When was saying that low frequency wave carried low energy,I mean only this.

- the higher is the frequency the more energy is in each single period of it. -waves/a/light-electromagnetic-spectrum
Wesley

[ovun987]

Why do I need A to B power transfer when I can get enough power right from the local environment as much as I need anytime I want ?

When you have time, can you share an example of your exact setup, or can you provide an schematic than anyone anywhere can replicate?

[stivep]

_{Thank you for video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93iKH1q2vs of Adrian Guska  who  was "terminated".
-explanation is here :https://youtu.be/_9foRzZEZRo .} 
Wesley

[kolbacict]

For some reason I remembered the system Loran.C.  Are Its waves spread by Shuman's waveguide ?
The frequency 100 Khz. Surface of the water...   Power of transmitter is very great.
If I'm living in a coast of any ocean ,can I have taken something from ?