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Started by Johnsmith, December 22, 2021, 08:33:09 PM

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Floor

I myself, am no Albert Einstein, but I try to follow his good example. 
When Einstein published his book on relativity, I think perhaps two thirds
of that book is comprehensible to we the layman masses.  That's pretty
damn good, when one considers the novelty, depth and profundity of the
subject matter.

Einstein was an excellent communicator.  I think probably this was because he
worked hard at making sure that he was. 

But also, I find that when someone really understands a subject, they are most
often, capable of  communicating it in common language as did Einstein. 

Mathematics is a language.

I can speak it to some small degree but am by no means fluent in it,
                                    as for example
mathematicians are so fluent. I don't speak Cantonese at all.  Get my drift here ?

Johnsmith

Quote from: Floor on January 13, 2022, 11:46:20 AM
I myself, am no Albert Einstein, but I try to follow his good example. 
When Einstein published his book on relativity, I think perhaps two thirds
of that book is comprehensible to we the layman masses.  That's pretty
damn good, when one considers the novelty, depth and profundity of the
subject matter.

Einstein was an excellent communicator.  I think probably this was because he
worked hard at making sure that he was. 

But also, I find that when someone really understands a subject, they are most
often, capable of  communicating it in common language as did Einstein. 

Mathematics is a language.

I can speak it to some small degree but am by no means fluent in it,
                                    as for example
mathematicians are so fluent. I don't speak Cantonese at all.  Get my drift here ?


    I think it's easy enough to say that light bends twice as much as matter does because it interacts equally with space and time.
That is right and wrong at the same time. This gets into conservation of momentum/energy as does Bessler's wheel.
With Bessler's wheel, resistance will not let the wheel find a balance. With your previous post, question #2, an unbalanced wheel
will continue rotating. Bessler's wheel is the more complicated design just as the pendulum is. Just as a pendulum cannot move
away from its fulcrum neither can a weight wheel move further from its fulcrum. Bessler did use a dog and its dog house/leash as
a reference. Don't be insulted by this because it's like in the movie The Matrix where the spoon doesn't bend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI
Why does this matter? The arm the wheel is moving up is moving away from the weight wheel. The weight wheel is doing nothing.
https://youtu.be/RZcu-8J0Lqk  When you see the weight wheel assembly moving up the arm, it's not moving but the arm is.
Work is mass x distance. The line the weight wheel assembly is attached to is always the same length. That line is performing no
work. How do I get someone to understand that? You've been taught that when the weight wheel is moving up the arm that it is
being lifted. Bessler did say that his drum lifts the weights. And the disc is lifting the weight. But not because it is rotating but
because the wheel is rotating.

p.s., I have been pursuing an experiment in atmospheric chemistry and physics. A lot of people know calculus far better than I will,
but then I'll be able to understand concepts they don't. It's like in the video, the arm is moving away from the weight wheel. With me,
I understand that a tether ball hits the pole because the pole shortens the length of the line as it wraps itself around the pole. Yet no
work is being performed. This is because the length of the line doesn't change. It's resistance that negates inertia. And I've found
people don't understand this.

Johnsmith

 @All, With this example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBM4i3xfQRA if the hoist is the disc on Bessler's wheel
or is the pole a tether ball wraps around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zMhLDIFJ4
With the hoist, work is being performed to rotate it. With the disc on Bessler's wheel just as with the pole for tether ball,
the weight wheel and the ball are being rotated by another force.
With the tether ball, a person is hitting it. With Bessler's wheel, a weight is swinging downward. It does take time to
become familiar with a new concept. And even with a working wheel some people still might say fraud.

And what gets old is someone saying, why do you make it so complicated for? After all, I consider that conserving the Earth's
gravitational heat content as mechanical energy is an accurate description. The issues with that is that gravity has no energy
so ergo, it has no heat content. No one has ever proven perpetual motion is possible. So why would someone assume it's
that simple? Still, with the tether ball, neither the pole or the line is doing any work. And yet people will say that's wrong as well.
And it doesn't get much simpler than a child's game. That might be why Bessler mentioned a spinning top for. That is a possibility.

  I'm not going to post in here anymore. As Floor said, you guys aren't Einstein. Was Bessler? Newton and Leibniz started on calculus
about the time Bessler was born so Bessler probably would've known trigonometry. Today that's 8th or 9th grade math. And to suggest
that there is nothing about a working wheel that takes time to understand is insulting me because of the time that I've spent learning
about Bessler's work.
And yet once again both AB Hammer and rlortie put everything in layman's terms. Perpetual motion isn't possible because a weight
can't lift itself. That's just not possible. And with converting energy from one form to another, there are no rules as long as it works.
Examples of free energy devices;
1; a solar panel
2; a wind turbine
3; a hydroelectric dam/water wheel
4; the Atmos clock

None of those 4 things produce their own energy but conserve energy from another source. And with the water wheel, is it perpetual as long
as water keeps flowing over it? The Colorado River has flowed for over 60 million years. ie., perpetual motion isn't possible but free energy is.

With math, there are trig tables and calculators online. If someone cannot understand the force that a weight has relative to its position
around an axis, use a trig calculator. And if that's too complicated then I'm being kept from enjoying my hobby. And I should be allowed to
enjoy the time and effort that I've been putting into something.
And if a person doesn't have time for something like that, then there is no simple explanation.

Johnsmith

 You guys will need to understand that I took the time to refresh math I had forgotten and to learn math I didn't know to help me
better understand my work on Bessler's wheel. It is a lot of work. And with the pendulum, there are no magic words. And the one
constant that I've heard in forums over the years is "we don't do math". Then you can't expect to know how energy can be
conserved. But when one of you guys have an idea that you like, you might consider the math.

Floor

Quote from: Johnsmith on January 13, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
As Floor said, you guys aren't Einstein.

Not what I said, especially in the context as you have used it.

But...
  as you also said...

Quote from: Johnsmith on January 13, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
I'm not going to post in here anymore.

Cool, have a nice trip