The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[chrisC]

The Sunday Sermon was interesting.  It was teaching the Christians on the eating of meat sacrificed to the Pagan gods.  The preacher made the following points:

(1)   There is only one God, the scarifying ceremony to Pagan gods is meaningless.  It would not make the meat better or worst.

(2)   God has given every one of us a conscience.  However, your conscience and my conscience may not be the same.  I may view that a man with no wife having  adult relationship with a prostitute is normal and is acceptable. Another person may view that as a sin. 

(3)   So it is quite all right to eat meat sacrificed to Pagan gods if your conscience allows it.  It would not make you better or worse.

(4)   However, one has to set an example for others.  If the eating of that meat were equated by society as equivalent of adoring the Pagan God, a Christian should not eat that meat.

(5) So having  with adult relationship with a prostitute is not a sin.  Just do not make it an example to tempt others.  Just go to a Country (or Las Vegas) where that is regarded as a normal and legal activity.

It was something new for me.  As Chinese, we traditionally offer our meals to our ancestors in the many festivities before we eat.  Some Chinese Christians regard that as a sin.  So some automatically accepted customs by some may be viewed as sins by others.

This gives a good teaching to ?Great truths begin as Blasphemies?! It is no surprise that a perfectly simple Slide 3 which obeys all the mathematics or physics laws is regarded as Blasphemies by some.

In this World, we have to accept different points of view - even in science!!!
The Earth may be round.  But if forcing that fact on others could ruin their careers, refraining may be the right move.

Tseung:

Well, let's just look at what you have to share besides your flawed Physics from slide 3. I will also share my thoughts on your Sunday sermon.

1. Agree

2. Disagree. Sure, conscience is God given but not something that is arbitrarily interpreted. That's why the Old Testament has the 10 Commandments given to Moses. The New Testament introduces the Holy Spirit, given to Christians to testify with their own spirit the truths of God.

3. Agree. Christians are not subjected to food sacrificed to pagan gods. Food is food.

4. Agree. If a Christian is to eat pagan god sacrificed food and this causes his brother faith to falter, then it is better not to partake of the sacrificed food. Not because the food is 'polluted' by sin!

5. Absolutely NOT! I honestly do not believe the preacher preached that! It's again your own interpretation. Wouldn't it be a mockery if what is taught in the Bible can be arbitrarily interpreted by anyone (such as you) just because you happened not to have a conscience and there is this "foreign place" whose law of the land is "anything goes" and even Tseung can participate, be it Las Vegas or Hainan island!

This brings us back to why you have so much problems, not just in your interpretation of Christian teachings but in your own flawed arguments whereby your interpretation of technical and scientific statutes are just "Tseung's Theory" is created by Tseung and need no proofs.

Tseung's Theory must be correct because Tseung said so! The rest of the people are just Blasphemous!

Well, now we know why you hold such high standards of yourself. You see, it's arbitrary, of course.

Einstein was correct when he said: 'Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.". And by the way, he wasn't referring to your kind of spirit, just in case you  were wondering....

cheers
chrisC

[Kul_ash]

Dear Kul_ash,

Your questioning of Pendulum14.jpg is intelligent. However, you still commit the mistake of raising too many points/questions in one post.  I shall only answer one point in this reply.

With the string pendulum, it is not possible to provide a perfectly horizontal pull unless the pulling mechanism moves up.  That moving up motion may cause more confusion.

I am drawing Pendulum19.jpg.  It tries to provide a perfect horizontal pull.  It shows a magnetic pendulum in a parallel magnetic field.  This is closer to a constant horizontal force.  The pendulum bob is displaced to the RHS position.  There are three forces acting on it to produce equilibrium.  These are Tension of the string, weight of the bob and the constant, horizontal force F due to the magnetic field.

The NS pole of the magnetic pendulum is aligned in the horizontal direction in this case.  The parallel magnetic field can be produced with appropriate coils or electromagnetics.

So this kinda blowing wind thru tunnel on pendulum. In this case your vertical work is done by the movement of string thru support as it has no other way to go.
And the main important point in these types of force is that you are wasting tremendous energy to do small work. For example I have posted a diagram below. At any given time only one arrow is actually doing the horizontal work and other arrows are doing different work and those below the pendulum are wasted. Your total horizontal force in this case would be way larger than you have shown! You are not considering that wasted energy. You can not apply such a force and then call it as a single source force. Becase in this case there will be a force on bob and on string at the same time. So it would multiply in amount and also waste all that force below bob.
So this is an invalid force!

[ltseung888]

Just finished lunch with an old friend.

He did not care about science but cared much about people.  He was trying to promote a project of sending USD10 per month to sponsor a poor child to go to school in the remote parts of China.  Even though schooling is free, the child still needs to buy books, gym shoes, pens, paper etc.

I told him that I could bring so much wealth to the World that such proverty will be history.  He decided to send the presentation slides to the kids and the schools he helped to sponsor.

In his words: "I can help to cater for some of their material needs.  But this gives them hope and challenge.  Winning USD$1,300 is nice if they can do it.  The sharpening of the scientific knowledge is invaluable even if they cannot win."

[Kul_ash]

Dear Kul_ash.

I shall now address the part of your question related to leverage.

Exactly this is the answer I was looking for. Now refer to your pendulum 14.jpg. It had initial length of M1 which reduced to M2. M1 was inclined so it had vertical and horizontal components. Now when it has become perfectly horizontal means knot is at the same elevation of pulley, no further vertical work is possible. Now you say that mgh = 60 x dH and work done by external force is 10 x dH so where does 50 x dH come from? Now, if you know the simple definition of "leverage" then you should not ask this question. The vertical work done here is through leverage you gave using M1 as length. Have you considered that in your calculation anywhere? Total vertical work done would always be the integration of length of leverage multiplied by supplied force. So it is your leverage that has worked the pendulum up. Whre is the lead out energy?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverage

Leverage is a factor by which a lever multiplies a force - it is therefore related to mechanical advantage. The useful work done is the energy applied, which is force times distance. Therefore a small force applied over a long distance is the same amount of work as a large force applied over a small distance. The trick is converting the one into the other. The requisite mathematics were developed in the third century B.C. by Archimedes?..

The important word here is ?converting?.  If we want a horizontal force to do vertical work, we need to look for the mechanism that ?converts? this horizontal force to vertical force.  Without this ?converting? mechanism, horizontal force cannot do vertical work.

*** Please ignore the insult training posts from chrisC, Keon etc.  They are noise to distract the serious scientific discussion. ***

I shall pause here for your confirmation.  Do you agree that without a ?converting" mechanism, a horizontal force cannot do vertical work???

Refer to your pendulum14.jpg. You have clearly shown inclined pull. That angle and 2 m of leverage are enough "mechanism" to do vertical work. When finally string becomes horizontal for a moment, there is no work done in vertical direction.
And you want a "horiozontal" pull but in reality you are either giving inclined pull as per pendulum14.jpg or much larger horizontal pull at different points on system. In theory you have never shown analysis of pure single point horizontal force, because as you said, it is not possible!
As per your pendulum14.jpg, you have used inclined leverage to pull the pendulum up, but you are ignoring this fact and going straight to your last position where string is horizontal and attributing that lift to gravity which is totally wrong!
Thats why again and again I am saying, if you just consider three simple forces without the frame of pendulum and what happned before, then pendulum3 is right. But unfortunately your analysis shows what happened before is the result of your current position and it is totally not accepted!
Show me a mechanism of pure horizontal force pulling pendulum at a single point and then and then I will consider it otherwise not.

[Kul_ash]

Just finished lunch with an old friend.

He did not care about science but cared much about people.  He was trying to promote a project of sending USD10 per month to sponsor a poor child to go to school in the remote parts of China.  Even though schooling is free, the child still needs to buy books, gym shoes, pens, paper etc.

I told him that I could bring so much wealth to the World that such proverty will be history.  He decided to send the presentation slides to the kids and the schools he helped to sponsor.

In his words: "I can help to cater for some of their material needs.  But this gives them hope and challenge.  Winning USD$1,300 is nice if they can do it.  The sharpening of the scientific knowledge is invaluable even if they cannot win."

Mr. Tseung
Two sayings from Sanskrit I remember when I see your posts:

1. "It is easy to convince a fool or illiterate becuase he really does not have knowlede, but those who decide not to get convinced at any cost, even brahma, the supreme god can not convince them". So you giving USD 1300 is out of qustion.

2. "Clouds those thunder a lot, never rain". If you just keep talking and talking without any action, people are just going to laugh at you. People always respect those who talk less and do more work!
If your talking and paiting imaginary pictures are just helping you to survive and temporarily give you a good feeling, then its a different issue! Then my sympathies are with you.