Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[nickle989]

@nickle989
Spectral Diagram, yes, but for what combination of settings? See there are three major things that affect the bandwidth and the fundamental fp'. These three things are; 1) the base cap and coil 2) the supply voltage 3) the load. In an ideal system a change in load or supply voltage can be offset by adjustment of the base coil, also leaving the base coil in a set position and changing the supply voltage will shift fp' and increase or decrease the overall bandwidth.

Because of these conditions and interactions it would be very hard to say or set a specific set of conditions in an experimental unit. I resort to using an SA. When a variable is changed the result is readily seen and adjustment can be made to bring it back to a desired state.

On my Frankenstein unit I have played with all what you mentioned but I have seen some comminality in the freq/waveform capatured to when the unit is working at its best. Wondering if you have seen any cominatlity with the SA.  Interesting on the 990 AM band and not being able to keep the rf from escaping a cage .. almost like a caduceus coil. 

Board should be here soon.

[Loki67671]

I'm on page 8 of this crazy thread and relieved the show of egos is over and praying it's not the reason it has another 43 to go!

Anyway, I'm seeing a lot of reference to frequency generators, scopes etc and thought it was time I got more equipment expecially equipment that would be necessary for this replication. Did a quick ebay search and found this which seems to have what I need http://cgi.ebay.com/20-MHZ-FUNCTION-GENERATOR-FREQUENCY-COUNTER-ZAPPER_W0QQitemZ280229778743QQihZ018QQcategoryZ97196QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm wondering what dr. stiffler would recommend as basic equipment needed to work with this replication.

@storre,
Here is a quick shot of, in my opinion, an equipment list that comes in very handy when I'm working with SEC:

1. A spectrum analyzer and the absolutely best one you can get your hands on, Not necessarily the newest but markers and math functions would be sweet This will cost big bucks and is a wish for me. I don't have one of this caliber but from time to time I can use them. I have a lower end device with about 1GHz bandwidth and very little functionality aside from rough spectrum display. It does some of what is needed.
2. A relatively high speed DAQ with current sensing modules/capability, voltage sensing modules/capability, temperature sensing modules/capability.
3. A solid voltage and current regulated multiple output variable power supply with a range of at least 0 to 40 VDC plus complete supply line isolation and able to deliver at least 500ma per output, 1000ma is better.
4. A good LCR meter for component identification and testing/qualification.
5. A good, 2 is better, laboratory DMM with transistor HFE testing capability, high sensitivity in the current, voltage, and resistance functions.
6. An Oscilloscope at least 2 channels preferrably 4, at least 100 MHZ preferrably 200 MHz, Digital storage and recall/display is sweet as are math functions. Probes need to be 10:1 and preferably at least 1 of them 100:1 and I could see myself using 2, 100:1 probes. Don't skimp on your probes.
6. All of the general purpose electronics hand tools and soldering gear.

I've definitely crossed the Basic line long ago! Sorry! 

I will have to say that the funniest part about that insane list of "basic" equipment I just spewed forth is that the vast majority of it gets used in support of "building" the devices and "setup" of the devices but actual running is very non-equipment intensive. Power supply and a few diddle sticks with a pair of good DMM's and the Doc's probes. What we think is sound exploration of this is unfortunately not cheap but it might not hurt to just freely explore too with a minimum of gear using breadboard! Definitely get a large breadboard, preferrably 3 with the aluminum backing plate. I have alot of time and experience using the above equipment but I'm not sure how "blind" my classical electrical training and experience leaves me. I believe my attitude and open mindedness are the most important driving tools and the rest I just figure out if they can provide a sound answer to the questions that arise. I hope my babble helps some!

Best regards,

Jim

Oh yea, just start gathering components and materials. You'll need them. 

[gotoluc]

@gotoluc
Did you disconnect the 22uH choke just after the neon points from which you are pulling the drive? If you have or have not of course would affect how much energy you have to work with. Because the LEDs and neon seem extinguished I am assuming you did the disconnect. Have you considered adding the paracitic plate to increase the drive.

Yes I did disconnect the 22uH choke after the first position neon and also the first row LED at the left side. I did try the parasitic thing and add a thin plate of steel under the board with an insulator between it and a 47pf cap soldered between the sheet and the exit end of the 22uH choke which is lifted off the board to stop the feed to the other components (as mention above)  however I did not notice any difference but keep in mind my tuning coil is broken (stuck) and one other thing is the sheet of steel I tried was about twice the size of the board, would it make a difference if the sheet was bigger than the board? or is it the exit end of the choke needs to be also connected to the board?

Luc

[gotoluc]

I just got back home at 11:45pm. I had the cell working all day. It is up to 98 volts now and drawing 40ma. If I disconnect the feed to the cell and measure just the voltage comming from the SEC circuit it is 137 volts and draws 23ma with no load. However something has changed during the all day run, the bubbles now seem to be finer or is there less, or are they just taking less room . I had kind of noticed that when I flushed it out and refiled it with fresh distilled water earlier today and posted about the battery effect. The other thing I noticed is there is heat, not much mind you but the water is not cold. However I did place the lid of the container over it but not tight though, just to keep airborn impurities out, so maybe that is what is keeping in the little bit of heat.

There is one thing I did not mention yet, I have the ground of the house connected to the negative side of the cell. I just disconnected it and the cell seems to do the same just the voltage across the cell drops by 5 volts. If I connect it to the positive side the voltage rises by 5.3 volts. So either side it does not seem to have a visual change to the gas production, only the cell voltage.

I now have a better dv video canera with a firewire cable so I'll do a better quality video of the battery effect tomorrow and hopefully a cleaner view of the gas production.

Luc

[DrStiffler]

I just got back home at 11:45pm. I had the cell working all day. It is up to 98 volts now and drawing 40ma. If I disconnect the feed to the cell and measure just the voltage comming from the SEC circuit it is 137 volts and draws 23ma with no load. However something has changed during the all day run, the bubbles now seem to be finer or is there less, or are they just taking less room . I had kind of noticed that when I flushed it out and refiled it with fresh distilled water earlier today and posted about the battery effect. The other thing I noticed is there is heat, not much mind you but the water is not cold. However I did place the lid of the container over it but not tight though, just to keep airborn impurities out, so maybe that is what is keeping in the little bit of heat.

There is one thing I did not mention yet, I have the ground of the house connected to the negative side of the cell. I just disconnected it and the cell seems to do the same just the voltage across the cell drops by 5 volts. If I connect it to the positive side the voltage rises by 5.3 volts. So either side it does not seem to have a visual change to the gas production, only the cell voltage.

I now have a better dv video canera with a firewire cable so I'll do a better quality video of the battery effect tomorrow and hopefully a cleaner view of the gas production.

Luc

@gotoluc
You new coil is in the mail....

If you do not mind I will send you email on what could be changing, not something for the list right now.

The trying of the plate as you say has no meaning at this point, you need to be able to tune and yes the size may have added to the lack of aid. Your causing a buzz, different name, different person is what is often needed.

Great work, coil coming, email maybe and the world is watching and waiting.