"Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?

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Thought I might chime in..... 

WHAT FOLLOWS IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT ONLY!

The radio interview was for the most part VERY BORING to say the least.  Right when I was about to turn if off he said something that stopped me dead in my tracks.  TUNING TO THE DOMINANT. 

My opinion.......He knows what he is talking about!!!! 

Tuning your device to its resonant frequency will destroy your machine, we should know this by now, we have numerous examples of what happens when things are allowed to ring at their resonant frequency....(Bridges collapse, glass shatters...ect....ect.....) The fact that our machines are not running away, and or falling apart, violently should indicate to us that they are not operating at their "resonant" frequencies. Some may argue that what I just indicated is not true, and you would only be half right!  The condition of resonance in these systems which tend self destruct is one which the established resonance is MECHANICAL AS WELL AS ELECTRICAL!  Those who would argue are only concerned and or aware of the electrical resonance of the components in their devices!  Many of you are desirous of a solid state device, one with no moving components, and through this choice cut yourselves off from half of your potential power.

MECHANICAL EXCITATION + ELECTRICAL EXCITATION IN RESONANCE = RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If tuning to the resonant results in things falling apart, then tuning to the dominant should cause things to pull together.....

We require mechanical and electrical excitation but instead of going for resonance we should be tuning to the dominant.  Through trial and error Tesla, Keely and others destroyed countless machines.  All these machines were allowed to operate at their mechanical and electrical resonant frequencies.  This at times resulted in the devices being completely destroyed.  Keely was the first to tune to the dominant, followed by Stubblefield, and Tesla.

Tuning to the dominate should not be interpreted as tuning into a specific frequency, as frequency in and of itself is one part of a whole.  Up till this point the majority of us have only been concerned with frequency and pulse width modulation.  This will bring us into and out of electrical resonance in our circuits more or less, but will not bring us in tune with the dominant as a very important circuit characteristic is missing!  In order to tune to the dominant many things have to be understood which are presently not even considered and or are totally ignored. To get an idea of how it should be accomplished one should reference information written on the works of John Worrell Keely.....Tesla attempted to simplify the works of Keely by focusing on electricity and magnetism specifically, and the associated principles of harmonics. 

Here friends we step off the paved path!  Here you are in no mans land!  In this land the things work backward.  It is voltage not current which is king, self induced voltage dominates over applied voltages.  In this land frequencies and potentials are high.

Remember I my opening statement food for thought!


Regards

Erfinder

I am glad you  brought this up.

My  reaction  to   your post was something like .........I can't  believe it .........someone  gets it.



My   understanding  of  these kinds of things   is limited.
I have spent most of my life  working with mechanical systems .....not elecrtrical.
I  only have a high school education so I can't follow the math .

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In a previous  post I  stated that I  thought  that  high voltage  is important .   There  was no  response
Although  high  voltage is   ignored   by almost everyone here ..... I believe it is  one of the keys  to OU.

Tesla first became  aware of  radiant  energy  when watching   high  voltage DC power lines  being switched on. .There   was a blue  static  glow around the wires for a fraction of a second .   No one else thought that  it was important.   

In  the delay line   generator  video  ........ how many  volts  was that battery  supply?
One  car battery  would provide much more current ........and cost   only a fraction of  the price .     Those 9 volt  battery's are not  cheap.     Why  would he  use  hundreds of dollars  worth of  9 volt  battery's   if  high voltage  wasn't  required?

.In the  TPU thread  SM   suggested  starting out with  tubes .   From the  first  time  a read that  I had a very strong feeling that  the  reason to start with tubes is because higher  voltages  are "normal" for tubes .  ( compared  to ICs )

SM  talked  about kicking   the coil .......in my  opinion   you can  push the coil  with your foot   with low  voltage.........but to kick it  you need high  voltage.
If  I   put  foot against    any part  of your body  and  push as hard as I can .....   you  will probably  fall down ...... but probably won't be hurt. 
If I  aim at that  same part  of your  body   and  kick it as hard  as I can ...........it is  going to leave a mark .
Same  power  applied ......  but  higher  voltage  gets more done .


gary

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You have to understand that all evolves out of one substance.  All frequencies do evolve from one and each from the other, no argument here.  However it must be understood that frequency = motion.  Motion is not cause, it is effect, and because it is effect, it is secondary to something higher!  Everything vibrates with exception of the one thing responsible for causing all perceivable vibrations!  The science of vibration being taught in schools does not explain nor account for the phenomena of standing wave, nor does your concept of vibration incorporate them!     

Erfinder

This makes perfect sense to me ...........but I don't have a clue how to apply it.

Lets  say  I want to  try to extract  power from an LC circuit
I can  hit  it with  a voltage at its  resonant  frequency .........but that is  making motion with motion.
How do you  create cause  within the circuit?

The  closest  I can  come to understanding  how to create cause within the  circuit is  what I would  call the  Daniel Pomerleau effect .      In effect  creating cause  by simply  choosing  for it to work . 


gary

[esaruoho]

Erfinder
I am glad you  brought this up.
My  reaction  to   your post was something like .........I can't  believe it .........someone  gets it.

walter russell

[esaruoho]

The radio interview was for the most part VERY BORING to say the least.  Right when I was about to turn if off he said something that stopped me dead in my tracks.  TUNING TO THE DOMINANT.

that too again (tuning to the dominant), with the mentions of stubblefield, keely, moray, these are the reasons why im persisting in at least looking at WITTS, and attempting to assist them in digitization processes. or anything. theres something here that not many have tapped or mentioned, and that is extremely refreshing, also, unexpected.

what i immediately wanted to know was - has thrapp studied the writings of walter russell? then i thought about their (mentioned) 28 year development process and i thought, maybe not, they would have had the perfect answers already had they gone to russell. they seem to be tuned in such a way, at least as individuals, that they could comprehend it, or maybe do, but without mentioning it anywhere..

Keely was the first to tune to the dominant, followed by Stubblefield, and Tesla.

the image that emerged from thrapp's mentioning of stubblefield somehow being able to tune to the dominant, and how, where did he go for advice (and the refers  that can be taken as "going inside") .. theres something that thrapp is leaving unsaid because he knows it would mostly fall on skeptical and shut ears.

Tuning to the dominate should not be interpreted as tuning into a specific frequency, as frequency in and of itself is one part of a whole.

you are spilling some wonderful beans on this thread and im not sure people are really willing to recognize what it is thats being spoken about, again, i'd come at this less with speculation and more with authority had i done the homework that has been recommended, over and over. my loss, as time seems to be short.

No.  I didn't say dominant frequeny!  I said DOMINANT!  Don't assume that the source of all frequencies is itself a frequency.  Motion extends from stillness, the dominant then, represents stillness.  What I am suggesting is the concept of a neutral center.  This was mentioned by one who's works are shrouded in mystery and conspiracy.  John Worrell Keely.

this has confused me to no end for quite some time, i was always attempting to find the magic frequency, and then i'd always scoff at other people for demanding the magic formula or magic geometry when it seemed to me that something deeper had to be understood in order to replicate the work. something more than freq,formula,measurement device/geometry.
that some are deterred from their studies into understanding what the silent, static stillness  is,  by outdated opinions on the spiritual  is a shame but again  goes almost without saying.

You have to understand that all evolves out of one substance.  All frequencies do evolve from one and each from the other, no argument here.  However it must be understood that frequency = motion.  Motion is not cause, it is effect, and because it is effect, it is secondary to something higher!  Everything vibrates with exception of the one thing responsible for causing all perceivable vibrations!  The science of vibration being taught in schools does not explain nor account for the phenomena of standing wave, nor does your concept of vibration incorporate them!

would it be safe, and nonconfusing, to say that they are forgetting of the silent still fulcrum?
one day i will understand the wave and then know what people say when they say standing wave. its not as simple as some who are right now jumping in to "explain" it to me - using wikipedia,  think it is to explain..

Recognize that we all share the same source.  It is immovable, perfectly still throughout eternity, through this steadfast stillness it supports all things, and centers all things.  It stabilizes from without, and centers all from within.  We are vibrations in this stillness.  We extend from it, in it, emerge from it like a tree evolves (unfolds) from a seed!  The principle on which this evolution is based is the same for all physical and non physical manifestations.  This principle reigns true on all levels, physical, molecular, inner molecular, atomic, inner atomic, all the way into the infinite, which is where motion ends and stillness IS.

so we extend from the seed just as  a thought extends from knowledge, i feel like this is accurate but i am not sure.

As I said before you really sound confused.  Anyway determining the frequencies of things in the way you are implying would be a complete and utter waste of time, and could not be accomplished anyones life time as many have discovered!  Luckily a means was devised through which these frequencies you seek are identified without effort.  Good thing for us the truth was known by at least one in this regard.
Quote:
"Every molecule in nature represents without variation, the same chord.   Variations that show  up in the mass chord of different visible aggregations, are accounted for by the non-uniformity of their groupings.  If all were molecularly homogeneous, the chord masses of all structures would be perfectly alike in their resonant impulses."
End Quote.
LOL....  Thats a mouth full.

and since this does seem to speak about chords, is this keely then? just making sure!

Up till this point the majority of us have only been concerned with frequency and pulse width modulation.  This will bring us into and out of electrical resonance in our circuits more or less, but will not bring us in tune with the dominant as a very important circuit characteristic is missing!  In order to tune to the dominant many things have to be understood which are presently not even considered and or are totally ignored. To get an idea of how it should be accomplished one should reference information written on the works of John Worrell Keely.....Tesla attempted to simplify the works of Keely by focusing on electricity and magnetism specifically, and the associated principles of harmonics. 
Here friends we step off the paved path!  Here you are in no mans land!  In this land the things work backward.  It is voltage not current which is king, self induced voltage dominates over applied voltages.  In this land frequencies and potentials are high.

yes. it is tihs chasm that always seems to loom. i've seen this, similar "effect" in a couple of projects, where, a few first things to do are simple to explain, once enough research has been done, but when it goes into recovering reactive power, these devices are almost like "where there be dragons". the decision to go further than what is available in normal sources of information, seems to be rarely made and if haphazardly done, rarely kept.

this seems to be changing tho.


potential energy  that can be made kinetic?

[innovation_station]

my my guys...

of course im still learning  .....   and let this be know   my thoughts are my own illusion!   or my  inability to comprehend...

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