The Tesla Project

[Grumpy]

@Erfinder

R-I-am

[allcanadian]

@all
I got a little off track for a moment and have refocused on the basics, I have found an interesting analogy in regards to teslas circuit.
If I had a perfect hard steel ball in my hand and dropped it on a large perfectly hard surface I could drop the ball and it would bounce back to it's original height. We could say this is a perfectly conservative action but when we analyse the forces involved something seems out of place. For one, upon hitting the floor the ball transforms all its momentum into a force acting downward on the floor until it comes to rest in an instant, but in order for the ball to bounce back upward the floor must be pushed downward "again" as action/reaction dictates.However this dual force cannot happen if the floor was made of let's say rubber because all the energy is slowly absorbed and released as in the lower picture, but above the actions are very abrupt and near instant reactions like when the switch is opened in teslas circuit.
In Teslas circuit we have a large self-inductance, a small self-inductance(primary), a capacitor and a circuit controller(switch). I would like you to consider how this ball analogy applies to Teslas circuit and I wil post what I see happening later, I was surprised at my conclusion and I think you will be too.

[wattsup]

@AC

Good observation, interesting analogy, nice question, but please confirm which Tesla circuit, yours, the EC, the ozone patent, geez I'm getting kinda mixed up and do not want to give the wrong answer.

[am1ll3r]

@allcanadian

I need an analogy for your analogy... Does is the ball represent the impulse discharge from the large self-inductance?
Been thinking about it for a few days now and I just not seeing it...

Lets not let this thread die.

[allcanadian]

@wattsup
The circuit in question is teslas patent 568177 as shown below, it's interesting that I have made countless variations to this circuit but cannot in any way improve it  that should tell us something about the genius of simplicity.

@am1ll3r
The analogy of the bouncing ball and Teslas circuit is not readily apparent until you build the circuit as Tesla states. First we should define the circuit components, we can call the large self-inductance(AC motor) L1, the small self-inductance(primary) L2, capacitor C and circuit controller(switch) CC. When CC closes we can see this as something set in motion as in the ball analogy position 1, but what has been set in motion? In both cases we could say energy as an applied force has produced motion, force leads to motion and both can be considered as a form of energy.So the charging of L1 can be represented as the motion of the ball from position 1 to position 2, the ball is energy--- a disturbance in the medium--matter. The impact of the ball at position 2 can be represented by the opening of CC, in this case we are concerned with the duration of the disturbance. In position 2 the ball has momentum and this momentum is the same energy that was imparted to the ball through the accelerating force of gravity. In L1 the accelerating force is a potential difference in the source battery, this potential difference produces motion as an electric current which stores energy in L1 as a magnetic field, the magnetic field is in motion as it is expanding. When CC opens the magnetic field in L1 collapses producing an electric current(inductive discharge current) in the same direction as the the original current flow. We can see this in the ball at position 2, the arrow A is pointing in the same direction as the arrow on the ball. In ball position 3 we can see a division of forces, this division of forces could be considered as happening in almost the same instant as ball position 2, in the upper picture to a greater extent in the lower picture to a lesser extent. In teslas circuit ball position 3 could represent the discharging of L1 and the charging of capacitor C. What is not well know is that the resistance of capacitor C to motion determines the voltage rise on C. If a large capacitor is used there is no voltage rise on C above the source voltage if a small capacitor is used the voltage rise will be very large. My replication of this circuit produces a voltage rise from 12v to 250v on capacitor C. In this case we could say the floor or dividing line of the ball analogy represents the capacitance C, the resilience of this line will determine the quality of the reaction. If the capacitor C is charged to only 12v--source voltage-- it has nowhere to go, it cannot return to the source battery as they are equal. If the capacitor C is charged to 250v then it could easily discharge its energy back into the 12v source battery----- or we could raise its electrical pressure(voltage) again by discharging the capacitor through L2 back into itself during the next switch closure CC producing a contiuous series of high potential oscillations in the circuit as a whole. The question is why? In the thread next door "tesla switch" they seem to be having great difficulty in retaining the energy in there circuits, they are always losing something they have heat losses, massive switching losses due to electronics and seem to be losing half there energy when discharging one capacitor into another LOL and somewhere along the line they expect to come out ahead-- I mean no offence trust me I have been there. In the ball analogy we need only concern ourselves with ball position 4 in the end, how much energy have we retained in the end?. To put it simply-- in  teslas circuit the motion of energy will always produce a voltage "rise", we never incure a voltage drop persay nor the losses associated with large current flows. We retain a greater majority of the energy we put into the system, the motion of energy through an electric motor performs work I think we can all agree on that, but what if this motion producing work only happens when a high potential is returning to its low potential source? What would happen if this high potential energy were discharged into an resonant LC circuit where L was in the form of an electric motor?.

Here is an interesting quote I found which explains why I believe I know less today than I did last year, I am quite confident I know nothing

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. (Charles Darwin, Introduction to The Descent of Man, 1871)