Helmust Goebkes magnet motor

[pese]

Hi all !

I've seen somewhere web page with simmilar drawing
describing work of permanent magnet lifters...
can someone find original the link ?
...

priniciple of work is in picture
if build properly COP is easily 100 - 1000 !!!

Wiz

That was you designed here is principally not others than an DYNAMO.
If you conect coil instead the "weight".

Pese

[wizkycho]

That was you designed here is principally not others than an DYNAMO.
If you conect coil instead the "weight".

Pese

There is the catch that it is knowhere simmilar, cause "only" one thing wan't happen if made mechanicall
That thing is so crucial for this type of devices.
That "thing" is LENTZ counter mag. field 

Unlike Coil, Weight or mechanicall load wan't allow Mr. Lentz to "spell" counter mag. field therefore wan't annihilate cause of action. There lies many many and all the free watts we need today.

If weight is replaced with coil Lentz will make his "spell" and annihilate the cause. This is the huge difference.
After Mechanicall "Lent'z decoupler" it is possible to connect common el.generator on rotating (not mag. permeable) shaft...

Wiz

[wizkycho]

Hi All !

Here is another advancement proposed by Gyulasun of design and has some advantages when Flynn or Hildebrand concerned.
Both Hildebrand and Flynn type devices needs active coils all the time. In this type
Coils needs to be activated only period of time while magnet rotates to ON position, then coil can be switched off and let magnet
do rest of the work. This will mostly benefit the eventual motor to start easily (without inputing much of an energy). Disadvantage of this mechanically rotated magnet (and flux) might be observed in motor with when higher rpms develop.

Coil here, when ON, allso aligns magnet into ON position.

If you wonder How this synergetic(Wiz,Gyula,Flynn,Hildebrand) magnet on/off switch can be applied.
The answer is easy look at the Peter Lindemann motor and replace his coil with this mag switch.

In this type of motor you can see dissaproval that distance change is cause of rotation here. Reason for rotor turning is that mag. field Wan'ts to push All it's "vectors" through permeable rotor and Want's them to be spaced as much as possible through whole width of rotor.

Of course distance change has much bigger energy gradient but it is not utilised not even in todays motors-generators, cause of inability to
precisley control it.

Does anyone here in forum can or know someone who can make Silicon Iron sheets of custom dimensions cheap enough for prototyping ?

Wiz

[gyulasun]

....Both Hildebrand and Flynn type devices needs active coils all the time.

Hello Wiz,

Thanks for thinking on my earlier hint and you show a good and interesting drawing, I like it!  This seems to be  another good way of joining the flux of an electromagnet to that of a permanent magnet, to sum them up.

However your above statement I quoted is not totally correct.  If you study Hildebrand's magnetic valve it is ALSO pulsed when needed (just like yours) and this is true many times for the Flynn motors too.  See Jack's valve here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Hilden-Brand_electromagnetic_valve.gif  from Jack's peswiki page here: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Director:Hilden-Brand_Electromagnet_Motor

My hint on joining parallel path principle for your device has come from an idea shown by Paul Noel, see this link:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:PpathMagControl.gif  from this Paul page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:FPPMT:Paul_Noel

The idea is that the control principle shown can be repeated several times, so you can really end up with a system (limited by core flux saturation only) where a very small rotary energy input for moving small masses of magnets will be able to steer huge forces from the summed up fluxes of the bigger magnets, as Paul described in the Invention section under his PpathMagControl.gif drawing.

Does anyone here in forum can or know someone who can make Silicon Iron sheets of custom dimensions cheap enough for prototyping ? 

Though I do not know such yet,  Hildebrand found a problem with those laminations when used them for his valve. I quote his text from this link http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm :
Now I have talked to several motor engineers about the type of materials I have been using as the magnetic medium. Now, of course, money has always been an issue when it comes to buying materials. The magnetic medium I have been using has been confiscated from old electric transformers.
Well I have since found out that the silicon steel from transformers is oriented strand silicon steel laminate...and that motors constantly change north/south polarity and will not run if built with oriented strand silicon steel. Well my motors are running on this steel but I have pretty good proof that efficiency would greatly improve if I could get hold of some of the non-oriented silicon steel.

I think it means when you wish to pass flux in transformer laminations perpendicular to the normal flux direction it was manufactured for, you may end up with further losses you are not aware of. Of course if you use them for the normal rolled flux direction as manufactured, i.e. you excite the laminations like in normal mains transformers this is not a problem.

rgds, Gyula

[wizkycho]

Hi Gyula and others !

In Flynn or Hildnebrand type devices coil must be energized all the time we want stator to attract mag. permeable rotor.
In this mechanicaly rotated magnet ON/OFF type coil is only energized while magnet rotates to ON position. in that time coil can be switched off and let magnet do all the rest attraction of rotor. After rotor does all the attraction to stator, there should be another
solenoid that moves magnet to off position.

This means that this setup needs two short impulses (one for ON, other for OFF),  so in situation of low RPM (or starting from 0)
this two impulses would be much shorter in comparison to Flynn,Hildenbrand device types.
As the RPM is rising there would be a certain RPM when period of two short impulses (this device) allmost equals period of one pulse (Flynn,Hildenbrand...)...so this type of mechanicall magnet ON/OFF is for low RPM motors (that has lower energy reqiurements to start).
Not saying that starting is a problem of Flynn and /or Hildenbrand (they are far more efficient than todays motors
and going three times OU)

Now there is only a problem how to build them, and material to use. Scince custom shaped laminates are expensive (and may have some other unwanted properties) to build magnetic paths I would use Fe dust mixed with epoxy (might allso add some Co dust).

Now there I must again ask this forum can anybody supply me (or knows someone who can) with reasnobly cheap two component epoxy 
and sufficient ammount of it, so I can start making custom "cookies"...?

Wiz