ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[elanimus]

Your simply moving the goal posts again as well as using the appeal to purity fallacy to imply because knowledge, understanding and expertise are difficult to understand they must be irrelevant...really?.

No, i am not appealing to purity fallacy, don't just ignore my points. I was reminding you that your judgement about today's scientific knowledge requires a leap of faith since there's no universal criteria. There are many ways in which a school of thought can be corrupted. I can argue like you did that the original holisitic non-materialistic science had millenia of first hand experience.

In my opinion your simply kicking the can down the road. First you falsely implied knowledge and expertise are irrelevant and now your implying every human concept is somehow imaginary. Which is simply a strange way of arguing that ignorance is somehow a virtue when we know it's not. In my opinion it's just another logical fallacy because if every concept is imaginary and knowledge and understanding irrelevant the same line of reason must also apply to you and your beliefs. All of your conceptual understanding and supposed knowledge must be irrelevant as well.

Ah, there lies the problem doesn't it?. You would apply a set of rules to judge everyone else but never yourself.

Ah, man i didn't imply knowledge and expertise are irrelevant, what? And yes concept or to conceive **literally** means to create/imagine some thing in order to represent a pattern in nature. Oh my God, when did i say ignorance is virtue? This fallacy of twisting my points permeates your responses.

No, i fundamentally understand my imaginary conceptions are not Truth. The truth lies one step beyond my thoughts, imagination, conception.. and that is what materialisic science and atheists, and nihilists foolishly fail to see. If people are not indoctrinated this was a very simple first principle but unfortunately this is the zeitegeist nowadays. Pathetic.

I believe you may have just proven my point better than I could. Let's replace a few of your words and see what happens...

"I mean "religion" nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly "non-physical" cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality."

Yes, this was my point. Both are not perfect, but both have valid points for our existence.

It would seem to me your subconscious mind may know something you are not willing to admit to yourself. Why use the terminology of religion to falsely judge science which is simply the study of natural phenomena?. This is a common theme in theism, to accuse others of the thing we are because we cannot accept it, ergo we cannot accept ourselves as we are.

Myself, I'm cool with knowing I'm just another being on this planet drifting towards the constellation Orion in a seemingly infinite universe. I'm not a god superior to everything or everyone nor will I live forever in some imaginary place, my time here is finite. However I'm just a country boy at heart who would rather walk barefoot through the grass than across the marble floors of some mansion or church. Material possessions and beliefs don't impress me much, knowledge and understanding does.

Well, yeah i try not to attach myself to bodies of knowledge cause there's more important/fundamental things than knowledge. The emphasis should be upon continous improvement as opposed to "i am only right" stasis. Instead of completely denying the other view and being attached to one's own, its better to really try and understand both viewpoints so that their imperfections can be highlighted and their truths synthesized. Nature requires continous changes of consciousness until there's an equilibrium or else she will wipe you out.

I am simply pointing out that true science and true religion are very complementary and even necessary to each other for growth and progress. Science is not exempt from the human patterns/changes and influences that corrupt religion. This is a common theme in theism? Accusing others? What do you mean?

You should work on the false popular assumption that religion is an escape to imaginary creations.  Religion is simply a distilled poetic body of wisdom regarding the workings of nature and the Absolute. Astronomy btw was very old and was caused by the same religiously inquisitve spirit that eventually changed into dogmatic science. You will not live forever in some "imaginary place", but the matter, energies and spirits that cause you to breath and see will live on for eternity in another form. Well, yes you are not that different from religous people, they are humble and all they want is communion with God which in other words is true understanding.


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P.S what do you think Tesla meant in the following quotes?

"Everything is Light.. Christ and others knew the secret."

"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

Regards

[EMJunkie]

It's a real shame that threads like this, have gone so terribly, badly, way off topic!

Such progress could be made if a thread like this was taken seriously! A hint in the correct direction: Standing Wave Mechanics in an Asymmetrical System.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

[AlienGrey]

Have you tried asking Paul Wallis a fellow countryman of yours?
He recons he has worked it all out

Anyway light is a very narrow spectrum of bandwidth try looking into the RED band
you will see much more the type of night scope used in early Vietnam war days.
with them on you see other stuff, take them off and it's all gone.

[EMJunkie]

Have you tried asking Paul Wallis a fellow countryman of yours?
He recons he has worked it all out

Anyway light is a very narrow spectrum of bandwidth try looking into the RED band
you will see much more the type of night scope used in early Vietnam war days.
with them on you see other stuff, take them off and it's all gone.

Hi AG,

No, I do not know Paul Wallis. If he has worked it out, good on him! He will no doubt know what I am talking about!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

[onepower]

Elanimus

No, i fundamentally understand my imaginary conceptions are not Truth. The truth lies one step beyond my thoughts, imagination, conception.. and that is what materialisic science and atheists, and nihilists foolishly fail to see. If people are not indoctrinated this was a very simple first principle but unfortunately this is the zeitegeist nowadays. Pathetic.

I believe you summed it up nicely...
1)You understand your imaginary conceptions are not Truth.
2)The truth lies one step beyond your thoughts, imagination, conception.
3)That is what materialisic science fails to see.

Ergo, your supposed truth is not materialistic or based on facts but more so strange thoughts you believe are somehow not your own. What I find very interesting is how theists like to separate themselves from there beliefs or thoughts as you have. As you imply, "The truth lies one step beyond my thoughts", as a way to deny any responsibility for your actions. As if to say, I don't need to take responsibility for my beliefs or actions because something imaginary is controlling me. Classic psychosis whereby an individual has sensory experiences of things that do not exist and/or beliefs with no basis in reality.

The problem here is that once one becomes psychotic and detaches themselves from reality they are capable of almost anything. Not unlike the good christian man who went into the abortion clinic with a gun in one hand and a bible in the other blowing away doctors and nurses. He probably believed God wanted him to kill all those innocent people and that "the truth was greater than himself" thus he was not really responsible for his vile actions.

Look at donny trump and his almost exclusively elderly white christian supporters. Trump has been proven to be a narcissistic abusive compulsive liar who is consumed by greed and likes to grope young women. He represents everything theism tells us not to do and yet the christians champion him as there savior or chosen one. I suspect all those people also believe "the truth is beyond them" and they would probably vote for Adolf Hitler if they thought it would reinforce there beliefs.

So we should understand the dangers involved with a mob or populist mentality whereby people seek to separate themselves and there beliefs from there actions in reality. So it was never a liberal/conservative problem, nor was it a social/economic issue in my opinion. What we have is large segments of society around the world who are no longer grounded in reality. They cannot accept the reality of there finite existence nor the changes occurring all around them so they have created an imaginary world to cope. This concept is proven in psychology and the trick here is critical thinking, to examine not only what we think but also how and why.

Another interesting fact in psychology is that the criminal mind has similar thoughts. They lack empathy because in some sense they believe there thoughts and actions are not really there own. Not unlike a bipolar condition they have separated themselves and become a third person detached from there own thoughts and reality. Which is why they appear to lack empathy because in there strange twisted reality they are always innocent, a victim. We know this concept well don't we?... people always claiming to be the victim despite there actions?, a Red Flag in my opinion.

In any case, making up excuses for believing in imaginary things not justified in reality is not the way.

Regards