Knitel's InfinityPump

[hansvonlieven]

Any air entering a system that relies on a siphon effect kills the phenomenon.

But this is not the only thing that is wrong here. I will try to draw a diagram to show why such a system cannot work, regardless what you do with it.

Hans von Lieven

[Gravitator]

Hi broli,


If you have a open bottle of water and you turn it upsidedown then you get vacuum to top (bottom
of bottle, because it's upsidedown) of bottle and the air will come into bottle. How I see this machine
might work is following

1. the weight moves from top to down. This will create negative pressure which will
   lift the water from pool to cylinder. The bottom of cylinder is filled with air. (the bottle
   thing)

2. After the weight is down V3 will be opened. The lifted water goes through tube to
   bottom of cylinder, which contains little water. This way the air can not go up
   through V3. While weight moves up more water will go through V3 tube to bottom of
   cylinder, which will rise the water level.


In here the atmospheric pressure lifts the water from pool to cylinder by negative pressure created by weight.


I guess I have missunderstand the idea of this machine...


br,
Gravitator

[wizkycho]

@harti
Q: Hmm, what about valve V2 ?
   Will the water really run out, when it is opened or does the external air pressure prevent this ?
A: It will act like common bottle filled with water and rotated upside down, air bubbles enters and water comes out
. after a while when MP and above water has enough weight air is not comming in but water,now under preassure, comes out.
again if that presssure is not sufficient air bubble enters and water comes out - leaving MP (bubble by bubble) heavy in air.


@brian334
Q: Why not put a water wheel under valve 2 so the thing will do work?
A: Yes a geneartor would be nice, allso there is additional untamed energy from MP movemet so something could be attached to it.


@TinselKoala
Q:This device is functionally identical to the Sinclair Siphon.
A: mentioned device is not using boyancy (main part of this pump) - and no weight

Q:The 100kg weight is just a red herring. If the device was going to work, it would work without the weight. But it won't.
A:red herring,like it roasted. Suction part works like a kitchen scale with two same lenght levers. if MP by itself in air is heavier then
water in input pipe then MP can make suction of this water. MP can be heavier cause diameter of input pipe is not big.
If MP is 99Kg in air and water in input pipe is 98Kg or less then MP can slowly start to suck water from that pipe.
Further on, by doing so weight of water now in cilinder is added to MP weight so suction goes faster and faster.

If, as you said MP would weight only 1Kg(not 99Kg) (water in incoming pipe is 98Kg) then this 1kg cannnot start to lift 98Kg in pipe.

above description is worst case when water is not yet in inner pipe. in my setup water is already in pipe so even less weight of MP
is neccesery to start suction

So weight Of MP matters to esatblish initial succtionability.thx to Gravitator


@[marco]
Q:Ever heard of Displacement? ...of air ??

A1: see on pic how this can be/is solved ! (one of many ways)

   1. initial state of valve 3 cavity
   2. when v3 is opened (at the bottom) air displaces and that happens only once cause and this air stays there all the time.

      if volume of displacemented air in cavity is same of new needed air to be displaced then there'll be no further
         displacement cause of balanced preassures.

A2:or cilinder bottom is made flat, MP is allso made as whole as cilindrically shaped (now it is composed of two cilinders)
even if cilider goes to bottom water will strongly want to go benneth it (through V3) cause it is heavier then this cilinder.
Try to berry stirfoam plate (or any less dense then water) object in sand at bottom of sea - it will float soon on surface.

A3: air is not entering all the time in cilinder tank... see A: to harti

but the best is

A5: broli did it although not precise.
this is too much air comming (MP doesn't float not submerged in water at all)...but if bottom of cilinder is lowered - less air and problem is completely and simply solved

broli solved it many THANX and there is allso NO accumulating more and more air

Wiz

[Doug1]

 In the original animation. V3 would need to have a tube that extends down through the air space to the desired length of air space required to provide the weight to float.Controlling the volume of air trapped and allowing the water to flow through the mechanism to the bottom area under the floating plunger.
   A valve for the bottom outlet would work well to operate like the flapper in a toilet connected to the floating weight by some type of linkage not a chain or string that could become sucked into the outlet.
   Providing a good seal from the walls to the floating weight maybe a small tire tube to provide part of the required air volume to counter the mass of the weight. Maybe even two tubes spaced apart enough to keep the thing lined up straight as it travels.

[brian334]

It will take a lot of work to open that valve.