Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

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Correct. You don't understand what I am saying.

Obviously..!

You don't understand how much energy can be stored in spinning gyros (flywheels) and you don't understand the principles of servo-mechanics....

Now this can is debatable... As far as I know, I can handle the (simple) equation for flywheel energy storage...
(I'm not so sure about you?)
Servo-mechanics? What about?  Physics/Mechanics, feedbacks/regulations? What exactly? Be specific.

I suggest you get yourself an education in these matters. 

That's not nice, Frank... I'll hold my respond to this ... For now....


So, are you going to answer what is going on with your "wagon case", or you'll just try to wiggling out?

I suggest you read your "waggon" case again, and then tell me where the energy comes from?
Then you'll probably demonstrate how a 10 ton wagon, full of spinning flywheels, can be pushed with a "one pound force". Is that your OverUnity?

(forget about the "gyro fairy" which spinned the gyros at the beginning...).

[mondrasek]

A while back I made a CAD drawing so I could visualize the acceleration vectors in a spinning wheel.  For this exercise I assumed a 12 ft. diameter wheel spinning at 26 RPM (go figure).  I drew a grid and summed the accelerations due to gravity and centrifugal force at each point on this grid.

It is interesting to me to look at the D shaped logo on http://mooieenergie.nl/ and mentally superimpose it over the acceleration vector map.  If the symbols near the middle of that D with the circle and arrow are representative of a weight and the direction of the "shot put" throw, it could show a weight being launched from around 9 o'clock, close to the axle, towards 1 o'clock, out by the rim.  And depending on the speed of the wheel, this path could send it through the null point, where gravity and centrifugal force are canceling and the mass is weightless.  Also, the path could be such that the acceleration vectors at the beginning and end of this trajectory are equal and opposite.

Thanks,

M.

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That's not nice, Frank...
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Fair enough. I was rude. I apologise. And I'm only too happy to explain - at length.

So you cover the inner side of the wagon walls with strain gauges. Remember this isn't meant to be a practical blueprint but an explanation of principle.

The strain gauges pick up the amount of pressure and the length of time that pressure is applied.
This information is transmitted to a controller which instructs the flywheels/gyros to power the wagon wheels by the appropriate amount. So the wagon accelerates. When the person takes his hand away the acceleration stops and the wagon carries on rolling forward at the speed it reached at the end of the push, the end of the acceleration. It would seem to the man pushing as though he had accelerated the wagon cos the machinery inside is so well made that there in no vibration and no sound.

If the man continues to push the wagon to higher and higher speeds the internal gyros will eventually become polarised and it would seem to the man the the inertia, the mass of the wagon was increasing. In fact it would merely be the efficiency of the servos which was decreasing.

Now this works for a wagon cos one can transmit forces through the wheels to the track.

But how about a body in outer space? That manifests the same inertia. Surely, it has nothing for its internal gyros to grip on. Mmmmmm......

Yes it has. It grips on the same thing that electromagnetic wave grips on. The very dense aether that is supposed not to exist. Sound waves require a atmosphere full of stuff. EM waves require an atmosphere much fuller of stuff - much, much, much fuller of stuff. The Victorians knew it. We refuse to think about it cos science has been usurped by mathematical physicists as Omnibus points out correctly, vigorously and at length. It's time engineers manned the barricades and took it back. And I predict that is shortly going to happen.

You see the trouble is, understanding the nature of mass, the nature of inertia is like taking a sip of the bar spittoon. Take one sip and you find you have to swallow the lot cos it's all in one piece.

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As for the "gyro fairies" that keep the fundamental bits of matter spinning, you tell me. The fact is they are spinning that is a given, They possess motion just like Brownian particles possess motion, presumably for the same kind of reason. As Leibniz said, motion can only come from motion - and if it doesn't move it doesn't exist - or something like that. 

[AquariuZ]

A while back I made a CAD drawing so I could visualize the acceleration vectors in a spinning wheel.  For this exercise I assumed a 12 ft. diameter wheel spinning at 26 RPM (go figure).  I drew a grid and summed the accelerations due to gravity and centrifugal force at each point on this grid.

It is interesting to me to look at the D shaped logo on http://mooieenergie.nl/ and mentally superimpose it over the acceleration vector map.  If the symbols near the middle of that D with the circle and arrow are representative of a weight and the direction of the "shot put" throw, it could show a weight being launched from around 9 o'clock, close to the axle, towards 1 o'clock, out by the rim.  And depending on the speed of the wheel, this path could send it through the null point, where gravity and centrifugal force are canceling and the mass is weightless.  Also, the path could be such that the acceleration vectors at the beginning and end of this trajectory are equal and opposite.

mondrasek this is really nice, thanks...

I am almost at a point where I need to build a small model with dumbbells and all because I suck at maths. If you superimpose the "D" path you will find two things:

1) The optimal torque pull is in the "belly" of the D
2) At the six o clock position something spectacular needs to happen to bring the dumbells up to half past 12.

I say that spectacular thing is some kind of steel barrier which abruptly stops the dumbell bar, effectively launching the dumbbell violently upwards.

If it works as I think this is a violent wheel which makes lots of noise while it turns. The neighbours must love him...

[mondrasek]

1) The optimal torque pull is in the "belly" of the D
2) At the six o clock position something spectacular needs to happen to bring the dumbells up to half past 12.

AquariuZ, just some food for thought:  You are right that the weights generate the most clockwise torque when at three o'clock.  But they are also generating the most force (F = ma) at six o'clock.  This is where you say something spectacular needs to happen.  Unfortunately that Force is also in the wrong direction (down).

Enjoy,

M.