Do we need Free Energy at all ?

[jibbguy]

Using "overpopulation" as a reason to ignore and stop investigating these technologies we study here is completely wrong. Implementation of F-E to the Third World will have an opposite effect over-all: By lowering population growth through greater prosperity.

There is a simple, moral, and highly effective solution to overpopulation. It is called "Increasing Prosperity". All though history, as densely populated societies grew in prosperity, the birthrate per couple actually shrank. This is for several reasons... One being better eduction. Another being less need for "free workers" (in many areas without any mechanization, having more children for harvesting or other work is an important survival tactic).

Desperately poor people have more children: This is fact.

What Free Energy will do for these societies is give them the quality of life, and build the framework needed for them to prosper. Over half of the world's pop now does not have access to clean water.... With cheap energy this is solved through either desalinization or well pumps for both drinking water and agriculture. With electricity in their homes for the first time, half the world can read at night without burning kerosene or worse... They can open small businesses and factories, and produce things that are sold all over the planet. They can start to build a REAL middle class (thus fueling their own consumer economies); and their countries will gain economic stability. And in so doing, the birth rates will drop considerably.

In some over-populated areas now, it comes down to religious or ethnic factions in the country side having "baby races"... To keep their percentages of the population up.... To insure "their side" is not "swamped" in the future by the other side's higher birth rate. This is of course sounds completely absurd and to us here in industrial societies, but sadly, it really does happen. However, when we look at these religious and ethnic conflicts, we see that ALWAYS behind them is lack of economic opportunity.... They really are not about the stated reasons, but about one or more segments of the population being poor and without hope... Religion, tribalism, nationalism, bigotry is used as the scapegoat and as the tool of control by the local politicians. So when the area becomes industrialized, when the agriculture becomes efficient and productive; the job opportunities and general prosperity increases.... And these "problems" disappear.

Free Energy allows cottage industry in remote areas. It allows clean water and increased agricultural yields. It allows factories to be built in poor areas that never before had any. And it ends the reasons for tribal and nationalistic conflicts over resources. It will lift the people of the world up into a new age of much greater prosperity and enlightenment through greater eduction and security; giving them far fewer reasons to kill one another.

Perhaps that is why they so desperately want us to stop pursuing it.

[gravityblock]

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

These are the goals of the NWO.  They will implement these goals regardless of what it takes in order to have a decent standard of living for all.  Since people are not listening, then they will need to take more drastic and horrific measures to accomplish these things so mankind and the planet can survive and have a future.

[gravityblock]

@jibbguy:

We all know that the population has been ever increasing since the beginning of mankind.  It doesn't matter if people are poor, educated, or not.  The population will continue to increase regardless if we have free unlimited energy.  As the population increases, then so do the poor.  It is an ever ending cycle that free energy can not solve by itself.

Yes, it may bring a temporary peace to the world, but that peace will not hold or last long.

You can not consume more that what the capacity to produce is.  It is that simple.  Free energy may allow us to produce more and to prosper in the short term, but there will be a time when there is not enough fertile land for crops and fruits to feed the population regardless of how much energy we are capable of producing.

We have free unlimited energy now.  It will not be given to us until there is much suffering and pain in the world, so they can come and be our salvation and rule the entire population without any resistance from the people.  The people will then totally submit to their demands in order to end their suffering and pain to have a better life.  But this will only be a temporary peace.

Free unlimited energy is not the end all solution to our problems.  Yes, you are correct in saying we should not ignore or abandon our attempts in FE, but we must realize this only allows or gives us more time in being responsible with reproduction and waste.

They said that computers would eliminate or reduce most of the paper being used in the world, LOL.  It actually has increased the use of paper. 

You're argument about the population decreasing if people where prosperous is a mute point as far as I am concerned.  In the long term, it has no effect weather the people are poor or not.  Generally the poor people reproduce more, but they are also the ones who are most often to die due to illnesses, poverty, murder, suicide, lack of health care, STD's, lack of clean drinking water, etc.

The prosperous will be less often to die due to having access to clean water, lower suicide and murder rates, better health care, less illnesses, and better nutrition.

Let's take a look at the middle class.  They have access to all of the benefits that the rich have in order to prolong their life and to die less often, but they are reproducing as the poor does (maybe slightly less but they are to die far less often, which upsets the balance).

Now, throw in FE, and the large population of poor people are now middle class, which will increase the world's population dramatically.  I think you need to rethink your idea about how being prosperous will lower the population, for we all can't be prosperous (You will always have the lazy people who don't want to work or to contribute to society and will always have greedy people taking from the less fortunate.  Also the injured, disabled, elderly, the youth, the poor in health can not contribute either).

I must be missing something about your idea, cause this doesn't add up to me.  The bottom line is all groups on average are reproducing more, than at the rate they are dying.

[TechStuf]

Now you need to decide if the NWO types are more evil in trying to reduce and control the population to provide a future for mankind, or if the general population is more evil in over populating the planet and consuming all of the resources with not enough food for all, etc.

"And they will put my people to death, thinking they are doing me a favor." - Almighty God   

A scripture that is being fulfilled as we speak, through myriad crafty, cowardly, methods.

The NWO types got stinking rich and powerful off the rampant consumerism, degradation, pollution, etc. which they fomented by exploiting the poor, meek, and ignorant.

The answer is obvious as to which is 'more evil'. 

Obvious to those who stand at God's Right Hand, anyway.


God bless

[gravityblock]

"And they will put my people to death, thinking they are doing me a favor." - Almighty God   

A scripture that is being fulfilled as we speak, through myriad crafty, cowardly, methods.

The NWO types got stinking rich and powerful off the rampant consumerism, degradation, pollution, etc. which they fomented by exploiting the poor, meek, and ignorant.

The answer is obvious as to which is 'more evil'. 

Obvious to those who stand at God's Right Hand, anyway.


God bless

I agree with you.  I am not against you.  But don't forget adultery, fornication, and sexual immorality are the sins that have led us to this point.  The people who are performing these acts, are not God's people and the people who are depopulating the world with cowardly methods are not God's people either.  Narrow is the gate, and few will be able to enter.

I said, "I agreed with their philosophy, but did not agree with their methods".

We have multiplied to the point that we can no longer be fruitful without much pain and suffering.  This could be the reason why God is against the sexually immoral and for other reasons such as below.

Back in the biblical days, when there were no birth control methods, the prostitutes in the brothels would get pregnant.  After they delivered their babies, then they would throw their newborns into a pit to die.  Then they would get pregnant again and repeat the process.  They did this cause they couldn't support all of the children they were having due to their prostitution and promiscuous behaviors.

They have found many pits, such as this during our lifetimes.

Who is God's people again, the fornicators who have over populated the world or the murderers who are depopulating the world due to this behavior?  Neither

Sadly enough, God's people will be put to death during this process.  In the end, His people will be victorious.