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[billmehess]

This is all such total noncense!!!! Charge up a cap with the battery, remove the battery and see how long Orbo (rymes with horrible) will run before it stops running just off the cap.
This is a battery running a small motor- NOTHING MORE!!!

[gravityblock]

Im tired a bit to repeat because you don't know enough in electronic and you don't seem to want to put some time to learn something. I told you that with a Ideal inductor , if you put a sine wave across it , the battery in a perfect world will get back what it put in , its not mysterious , its classical EE. IN real world there loss . I told you too that a rotoverter was a good example about a no load motor, do a simple search, there people who run motor at full idle speed (NO LOAD, I REPEAT, NO LOAD) for only 15/20 Watt with a simple modification to get more VARS, do you know what is VARS ??. A motor with no LOAD don't show ANYTHING about how much torque it has VS power consumption , you need a load at it shaft.

Look again at this site, its in the middle of the page, http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/2.html there a PERFECT example of what i told you yesterday you will see what happen with a pure inductive load(ideal one) ALL GET BACK.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

You're confusing the issue.  Energy and power are not the same.  I could trickle a small current from a battery to a heavy load and it won't have any power, but the battery is expending it's energy source (the small current doesn't have a force on the load).  Since energy is a scalar quantity and we're dealing with scalar quantities for power calculation, it is missing the vector quantity associated with a force; as such it is only a simplification. Trying to infer unknown vector equations from scalar models is problematic at best.  The rules of nature explains the problems and difficulties encountered when attempting to deduce answers from conservation of energy techniques, http://www.distinti.com/docs/ron.pdf

Maybe you need to put some time into learning what is correct from what is not correct.

GB

[powercat]

From TK
hmmmtoroid_4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yurZxrKkeo

[lumen]

From TK
hmmmtoroid_4c

Well, this shows the effect does exist.
The problem with using ferrite is you need to know which ferrite you are using.
Ferrite used in typical transformers will have an extremely high saturation point because this is good for transformers.
The ferrite that should work best would have a low saturation point. Or possibly not even use ferrite.

[IceStorm]

You're confusing the issue.  Energy and power are not the same.  I could trickle a small current from a battery to a heavy load and it won't have any power, but the battery is expending it's energy source.  Since energy is a scalar quantity and we're dealing with scalar quantities for power calculation, it is missing the vector quantity associated with a force; as such it is only a simplification. Trying to infer unknown vector equations from scalar models is problematic at best.  The rules of nature explains the problems and difficulties encountered when attempting to deduce answers from conservation of energy techniques, http://www.distinti.com/docs/ron.pdf

Maybe you need to put some time into learning what is correct from what is not correct.

GB

I sound like you like to mix thing but look at your question you asked me :

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A coil is a load on the battery, is it not?
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GB

My answer is still the same, NO , a coil is not a load because the reactive power is equal to the apparent power with a sine wave input so the true power will always be 0W IF its a ideal inductor, like i said in real world there always loss with the inductor since the wire is not a superconductor. Don't mix thing , i don't talk about motor i talk about inductor, your question is "IS A COIL A LOAD?". Do i need to past the link again so you can understand what we talk about again ? http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/2.html

Best Regards,
IceStorm