STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

The third experiment in Naudin's vid http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/html/orboeffecten.htm is of crucial importance to be understood. That's the essence of the Orbo principle -- rotor and coils decoupled electrically and the rotor only "seeing" the variation of the stator magnetic field. Some may recall that I was proposing that type of experiment after Steorn's first demo in December. The other experiments and all that talk about inductance, H-B curves etc. are only details and should be avoided at this point because they only lead to confusion in the already confused understanding of Orbo by some.

Once Naudin's third experiment is understood the replicators should proceed to apply the exact procedure Steorn have shown in their final demo and probably nothing else since the pivotal question is whether or not Orbo is OU. If correctly done the procedure in question is a truly definitive one for that purpose (proving OU). That procedure should be applied on motors such as Paul Sprains's, Adams (Bedini's) etc., solid-state devices using a similar principle as well as on the motors intended to replicate Orbo, discussed in this thread. I know it requires expensive high-end equipment which hardly anyone but Steorn has. Steorn, having these apparatus allowing them to apply the discussed procedure are way ahead of the game and the rest should catch up somehow. Otherwise, just making rigs that turn when passing pulsed current through their stator coils proves nothing, unless self-sustaining is demonstrated, which isn't possible technically at this level of experiments.

I checked with some companies and it turned out the DPO 7104 scopes Steorn are using cannot be rented and one has to shed something on the order of $18,000 even for a refurbished one. Wonder if it also includes the probes and other accessories? I think the lack of that sophisticated equipment is what holds up those trying to replicate the effect. As I said, nothing short of demonstrating a self-sustaining device may substitute for studies with such high-end equipment.

Of course, less sophisticated digital storage scopes, not allowing integration, can also be used -- the integration left to be done later in Excel. Cumbersome but more affordable. Anyway, would be interesting to hear ideas as to how this major obstacle (lack of proper equipment) can be overcome, so that we can promptly move on, having the effect definitively confirmed by independent third parties.   

[teslaalset]

I bought 30 @ a little over $4.00 each.
Just back from week vacation, trying to get over it.
Ben

@ Ben, can you post the types you ordered (only the Metglas ones).?
Thanks

[teslaalset]

The third experiment in Naudin's vid http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/html/orboeffecten.htm is of crucial importance to be understood. That's the essence of the Orbo principle -- rotor and coils decoupled electrically and the rotor only "seeing" the variation of the stator magnetic field. Some may recall that I was proposing that type of experiment after Steorn's first demo in December. The other experiments and all that talk about inductance, H-B curves etc. are only details and should be avoided at this point because they only lead to confusion in the already confused understanding of Orbo by some.

I agree with you Omnibus. It looks like using Metglas cores and understanding the nitty gritty of the B-H curves it not really necessary to get replicatation going.
However I learned a lot on this stuff by just discussing it here. Thanks anyway for that (@all).

[edit]
An additional conclusion is also that one needs to select components that have identical performance.
Not every magnet and not every toroid core will have exactly the same performance.
Since alignments are critical this is something that should also be checked.

I wonder when Naudin will show a self runner. He should be very close by now.

[wings]

nice magnetic bearing motor here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection

[carbonc_cc]

Well,
ou.com can setup a paypal donation center for the scope... 

I checked with some companies and it turned out the DPO 7104 scopes Steorn are using cannot be rented and one has to shed something on the order of $18,000 even for a refurbished one. Wonder if it also includes the probes and other accessories? I think the lack of that sophisticated equipment is what holds