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Overunity Machines Forum



Gravity motor concept design

Started by solardark, January 06, 2011, 07:09:53 AM

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Omnibus

@solardark,

So, why should anybody else do it and not do it yourself? This is a well-known idea and therefore in this case it is not the idea but the making of the device that matters. We all know that someone has to make it and we don't need to be told once again what we already know.

MrMag

Quote from: Omnibus on January 08, 2011, 09:34:48 AM
@solardark,

So, why should anybody else do it and not do it yourself? This is a well-known idea and therefore in this case it is not the idea but the making of the device that matters. We all know that someone has to make it and we don't need to be told once again what we already know.

Spam

lumen

I will tell you why it cannot work!
This is a very good illusion but it is easy to see the problem. The pressure angle of the rotating spokes as it attempts to raise the weight up the straight wall looks to be about 30 degrees. This means that at the point where the weight is first trying to ride up the straight wall only about 50% of the force us upward and 50% into the wall.
This means without any friction, the weight at this point appears to weight twice as much as the other weights. The reason is at this point for the same rotation of the spokes, the weight will raise twice as fast, so to the center hub point it appears twice as heavy. This tapers off as it reaches the center of the straight wall (90 deg point) then again increases as it reaches the top.

Simple trig calculations will easily show this.
Still looks convincing though!


Omnibus

Quote from: lumen on January 08, 2011, 11:30:39 AM
I will tell you why it cannot work!
This is a very good illusion but it is easy to see the problem. The pressure angle of the rotating spokes as it attempts to raise the weight up the straight wall looks to be about 30 degrees. This means that at the point where the weight is first trying to ride up the straight wall only about 50% of the force us upward and 50% into the wall.
This means without any friction, the weight at this point appears to weight twice as much as the other weights. The reason is at this point for the same rotation of the spokes, the weight will raise twice as fast, so to the center hub point it appears twice as heavy. This tapers off as it reaches the center of the straight wall (90 deg point) then again increases as it reaches the top.

Simple trig calculations will easily show this.
Still looks convincing though!

This is the known "scissors" problem we've been discussing in the Sjack Abeling thread. You have to show it isn't because of friction. Analyze it in absence of friction.