FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

I was excited when I heard about Rossi and then I was incredibly disappointed when he did his first public demo where he promised that there would be clear verifiable data proving that the reaction was happening.  Then his second demo was another huge disappointment.  Doesn't this kind of stuff register with you supporters out there?

I told you that if he cooled his alleged reactor with an easily measurable flow of cold-water-in - hot-water-out and ran it for an extended period of time it would have been amazing.  Instead Rossi showed vague bullshit when thousands of people were thinking just like me.

Chessnyt:  You are talking the talk but you are not walking the walk.  I asked you to comment on Rossi's junk demos where no conclusive data was shown that was verified by third party testers and you have ignored the question.

About the scamming issue:  You don't have see it in action in public.  None of us know what Rossi's private dealings are.  What we do know though is about human nature.  It's perfectly reasonable to assume that excited, rich, and gullible people are practically throwing money at him for systems or a piece of the action.  This happens all the time and we should not be naive when it comes to human nature.  It's a distinct possibility that Rossi is scamming people in private.

Gwandau:

The first commercial implementation of the E-Cat is the 1MW units, one delivered and several on order.

Wrong, I have read a couple of times already that the shipping container is still in the same place in Italy, it's hasn't moved an inch.  Rossi's excuse is that some of the fluid couplings are leaking.  That was a month ago.  I am willing to bet you that if you did the searching right now and found fresh information not more than a few days old, you will discover that the shipping container has not been shipped!

If you want one, you can order one today, and get the 1MW unit within three months.

In my opinion you are dreaming.  Any movement about the production of a second 1 MW unit would be known in my opinion, and as far as I know there is no second unit being built for anybody.  I must state that I am not an expert in all of the details, I don't follow this every week.  But my guts are telling me the shipping container has not moved and there is nothing to indicate a second one is being built.

The whole implication behind what I am stating above is that Rossi is not "quoting 12 weeks delivery" for anybody right now.

It would be so fantastic if this were true.  It's not 'free energy,' it's allegedly a new form of atomic energy.  The problem is that Rossi has had every opportunity to do things right, and he always does them wrong.  It's a major problem and it does not feel like it is going away.  And we can't forget the fact that he has a criminal history.  It's relevant to mention that in the context of the narrative about Rossi that we have seen up to this point in time.

MileHigh

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

What really did convinced me that Andrea Rossi actually have stumbled onto something unique
are the test runs observed by the two Swedish scientists on several occasions, both in Italy
and in Sweden.

I have read their reports and I know who these guys are, and they both know beyond doubt that
the e-cat produces more heat than is possible through the mere electric input.

Their scientific methods of securing these facts are fully reliable, so if you don't believe
that these guys did their job, you only lose your own credibility.

Regarding your assertion that he has a criminal past, you have to do your homework better.
He was freed on all charges, and his enemies never got him out of business.

He says himself that this bitter experience have taught him a lot how to handle enemies,
which comes in handy in the e-cat project, where his enemies are much more sinister.


When it comes to the 1MW-unit, maybe you are right, maybe it's still in Italy, I really don't know.
I never liked the whole thing with this secret military customer.

To me it looked like the perfect way to get in control of a major part
of the e-cat production, and if the 1MW business was executed by his enemies,
this would be the perfect way to stall him.

Just imagine the scenario that Andrea Rossi is genuin but get stalled again ang again
by those who experience him as a threat to their own business, like the oil cartels.

Then guys like you would do the rest of the job to kill him off by spreading the word
that he is a scammer that never will deliver anything, thus discouraging people who
would otherwise be interested.


The fact that LENR is mushrooming in institutions all over the world today is of course
just false rumors for you, I guess.


I wouldn't react so strongly to your scepticism if it was founded on a healthy critical outlook.
But you are really not close to that mindset, even if your self image tells you so.

You are just a plain poor pessimist, focusing upon all the bad signs, giving negativity the most possible momentum
and rigoursly avoiding the good signs, or degrading them to nothing.

To me the whole thing still is completely open, and I enjoy every minute of it.

Gwandau

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

I freely admit that I haven't read any reports by reputable scientists.  If you have some links and don't mind posting them that would be appreciated.

I still am focused on the demos and the complete and total failure to provide any convincing evidence that was verified by independent third party testers.  We have to assume that Rossi has some scientific background and understands these issues.  It's just too big a problem for me to ignore.

Note the title of this thread:  "FREE ENERGY (sic) DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER (2011).   It's now April 2012.

Rossi is talking now about the first units rolling off of the production line in Q3 of 2013..... What is going on here?

The answer is that this is the same pattern that we have all seen before.  I bet you before the end of this year, the words "Two-thousand and fourteen" will be stated by Rossi.

I simply can't stand the pattern that always happens for alleged free energy devices also happening for an alleged LENR device.  Plus the factory story is not realistic...

Sometimes in life you simply have to use your background, education, research, and pure gut feel to make a decision even through you don't have all of the information.

So right now we are in a holding pattern.  Some people that think like me are saying, "Fake, I refuse to accept the silly non-demo demos, Mr. Rossi you are busted!"  Some people that thing like you are saying, "You can't deny the good news and just give Rossi some time!"

Ultimately, it's a waiting game.

However, if what Rossi states makes no sense in my opinion, I will state it.  It's a good exercise for people to express their opinions.  I have said it before, a "home E-Cat" makes no sense.  Rossi needs larger industrial customers that want cheap heat.  It's the most obvious way to move forward in my opinion.

Time to wait....

MileHigh

[chessnyt]

Chessnyt:  You are talking the talk but you are not walking the walk.  I asked you to comment on Rossi's junk demos where no conclusive data was shown that was verified by third party testers and you have ignored the question.

About the scamming issue:  You don't have see it in action in public.  None of us know what Rossi's private dealings are.  What we do know though is about human nature.  It's perfectly reasonable to assume that excited, rich, and gullible people are practically throwing money at him for systems or a piece of the action.  This happens all the time and we should not be naive when it comes to human nature.  It's a distinct possibility that Rossi is scamming people in private.

@MileHigh:
You can not accuse Rossi (or anyone for that matter) of scamming people concerning the E-Cat  just because you think he could be doing this to people in private.

It's a distinct possibility that Rossi is scamming people in private.

It's possible that you could be manufacturing methamphetamine in your garage and selling it to little children but I can not publicly accuse you of doing so because "possibilities" do NOT constitute proof.  How would you feel if someone wrongly accused you of something without any proof?

Most people are capable of just about anything but this does not make them guilty of what they possibly could be doing.  Just because you think, have a hunch, feel in your gut or believe it's possible that something MIGHT be happening STILL does NOT constitute proof and therefore should never ever be even remotely considered as evidence of illegal activity.

How about the possibility that he is innocent until proven guilty? 

This is why I have not even considered commenting about Rossi's videos to you yet because it would be a complete waste of my time at this point trying to answer someone who has maliciously slandered another having no proof whatsoever with the mentality that "distinct possibilities" add up to proof that justifies such conduct.  It does not, sir, nor will it ever justify defamation of character.


Sincerely,

Chess   

[MileHigh]

Chess:

Sure you can comment on his junk non-demo demos if you want to.  The list of backtracking and changing storylines and junk demos by Rossi suggests a pattern that anybody that has followed free energy has seen hundreds of times before.  You can willfully ignore that if you want to but I won't.

If Rossi did a legitimate and credible set of demos I would be quite excited to see more evidence.  But that did not happen at all.

MileHigh