FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[TinselKoala]

Right.

And the information about Rossi and the US DoD (Army) and the ThermoElectric modules is important information that seems to be missing from the Rossi history given above. I don't know about the militaries of other countries.... nor do I know anything about Italian law wrt selling Italian technology to the militaries of other countries.... but I do know this much: there is no way, after the ThermoElectric Modules, that US DoD will have anything to do with Rossi or his "reactors".

NASA were also not impressed with Rossi at the recent failed demonstration, nor at the private meetings that were conducted.

It's nice to see that Rossi has changed his mind about military customers, though. Last year he explicitly ruled out military uses and customers for his products.

Do you think the "military" has actually finally removed that blue shipping container from Rossi's rooms, or did he build them another different unit?

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Right.

And the information about Rossi and the US DoD (Army) and the ThermoElectric modules is important information that seems to be missing from the Rossi history given above. I don't know about the militaries of other countries.... nor do I know anything about Italian law wrt selling Italian technology to the militaries of other countries.... but I do know this much: there is no way, after the ThermoElectric Modules, that US DoD will have anything to do with Rossi or his "reactors".

You keep referring to this.  Where is this information TK?  I am reasonably certain that the the USA DoD - or a branch of it - are most CERTAINLY doing business with Rossi.  And how do you KNOW all this?  Are you implying 'insider information' or is there something on public record?  And what relevance is there to this - regardless?  We're discussing the E-cat.  And even the Hyperion.  Are you proposing that this is all an elaborate hoax?  And if so - to what end?  It can't be to defraud the public.  So.  If there's no requirement for cash - if these hoaxes are NOT being perpetrated in order to solicit some substantial public investment without any need to deliver - then WHY are they bothering?  Surely it would be a rather reckless adventure otherwise?  With no goal in sight other than to entertain and divert us all with the orchestrated hoax of a profitless scam?  Which in itself is a contradiction in terms.  And why does this merit your URGENT need to deny any benefit.  Wouldn't the sensible thing be to sit back and see what happens.  Defkalion promise us delivery by July this year.  I believe Rossi is on track for delivery by September.  And on heavy duty numbers - Rossi's already delivered. 

NASA were also not impressed with Rossi at the recent failed demonstration, nor at the private meetings that were conducted.

Where is there anything at all stating that 'NASA consider Rossi's demonstration to have 'failed'?  And what exactly was publicly reported about a private meeting?   

It's nice to see that Rossi has changed his mind about military customers, though. Last year he explicitly ruled out military uses and customers for his products.

Again.  In what context? 

Do you think the "military" has actually finally removed that blue shipping container from Rossi's rooms, or did he build them another different unit?

You tell US TK.  I'm rather tired of your endless insinuations.

Rosie Pose

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Chess, Gwandau - all

There is a rather sad legacy that we all face.  It's the damning emphases made by early claims of cold fusion - that we're still confronting.  It was branded a 'pathological science'.  And that branding has stuck.  I suspect that the intention of our detractors is to perpetuate that branding.  Because while they DENY the evidence - then they can also continue to cast doubts on the technology.

But what I don't understand is this. Why are they still bothering to deny this?  Surely that's rather fatuous?  What earthly merit is there in denying anything at all?  Is it an effort to maintain that 'branding'?  Because, if so, it's not going to work.  The interest is already mushrooming - exponentially.  And when their products come on line it's only going to get stronger.  So?  What do MileHigh and TK hope to achieve?  It's not as if their denials are effective?  I just don't get it.  Why do they bother? 

Regards,
Rosemary

[MileHigh]

Why bother?  Why not exchange ideas and try to find out what the real truth is?

The interest is already mushrooming - exponentially.

That would be true if Rossi was discussed in the lay press.  But in fact he isn't at all.  There is no "exponential mushrooming" going on anywhere with respect to Rossi.  But who knows how many people want to invest in his schemes behind the scenes?  The answer to that is nobody knows except for Rossi's inner circle.

Here is a follow-up to the thermoelectric generator story from Wikipedia:

Electricity from waste heat In the US Rossi started the consulting firm Leonardo Technologies, Inc. (LTI). He secured a defense contract to evaluate the potential of generating electricity from waste heat by using thermoelectric generators. Such devices are normally only used for refrigeration (Peltier effect), because the efficiency for generating electrical power is only a few percent. Rossi suggested that his devices could attain 20 % efficiency. A demonstration that he conducted at the University of New Hampshire produced 100 volt at 1 ampere (100 watt) during a week. Larger modules would be manufactured in Italy. Rossi sent 27 thermoelectric devices for evaluation to the Engineer Research and Development Center; 19 of these did not produce any electricity at all. The remaining units produced less than 1 watt each, instead of the expected 800â€"1000 watt.^[10]

Anybody that works in technology would find that story laughable.  Assuming that the 'factory' burned down like TK said, then as a result the DoD quality auditors had nowhere to go.  How about them apples?


I wonder how much the DoD paid for the 27 thermoelectric devices...


Who said that the testing at the University of New Hampshire produced 100 watts continuously for one week?  I don't know the answer to that but I would not be surprised if "Rossi said."

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Same Wikipedia article:

In January 2011 Andrea Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi claimed to have successfully demonstrated commercially viable cold fusion in a device called an Energy Catalyzer, although in an interview Rossi claimed that his Energy Catalyzer is not working on the basis of cold fusion, but weak [force] nuclear reactions.^[11] The international patent application received an unfavorable international preliminary report on patentability because it seemed to "offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories" and to overcome this problem the application should have contained either experimental evidence or a firm theoretical basis in current scientific theories.^[12] Journalists were not allowed to examine the core of the reactor, and there is still uncertainty about the viability of the invention.^[13]