Friction heater running in my house

[LibreEnergia]

Well I have not done the water test but I have done the How much my heat bill is test.

I have been testing this running in my 2010 5th wheel keeping it @ 78F at night, around 450sq. ft., new power grid @ .34 cents a Kilowatt.
The heater is running around 600 watts, for about 12 hours a day run time.
Tell me guys can a 600 watt heater from Wal-Mart heat a 450 sq ft RV? Out side temp at night here has been around 35 to 40F at night.
Lets just say Propane or Old School heater was not working here is the new School. @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBXnnagylls


Thank you
Gabriel Peterson

Rather than wasting time with idle conjecture, why not just do the simple test to see how quickly it will raise a known amount of water a known temperature. My guess is you will find nothing remarkable is happening.

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Hi oilpiggy, thanks again for sharing your work and progress.
Well, my 600 watt input light bulb heater can raise an approximately 400-450 square foot room, ok insulation, by 4-5 degrees F. around 68 F. with outside temps at 13 degrees F.
Could you pickup a 600 watt heater cheap from the store or get one second hand perhaps.
That would be  a good real world comparison test.
I realize the calorimetric water tests are helpful, though i think real world application tests prove the practical value better, given a particular usage situation.
Still working on my version of the disk heater and a 16 quart drum friction heater.
peace love light
tyson

[oilpiggy]

Ok here is the "no more useless banter" or this could still just be useless banter I don't know...

I ran a easy not so easy water test, a lot of lose ends, but non the less here it is.
I took readings every 5 min.

Volts @ 220  Amps change over time/ lower as water get hotter.

Core out side the the water start temp @ 68F run time 10 min @ 3 Amps top temp before putting into the water was 205F around 660 watts.

2 US GAL. in a bucket uninsulated to the environment @ 56F

I put the heat core in the water tank/ bucket. after 5 min water temp was @ 78F Amps when up to 3.8 / 836 watts.
10 Minutes later water temp was 86F @ 3.5 Amps. watts 770, Temp rise in 5 min  8F  133.28 BTU min,  x 60 = 7996.8 BTU/h
15 Minutes later water temp was 95 @ 3.4 Amps. watts 748, Temp rise in 5 min    9F  149.94 BTU min,  x 60 = 8996.4 BTU/h
20 Minutes later water temp was 102 @ 3.3 Amps. watts 726, Temp rise in 5 min  7F  116.62 BTU min,  x 60 = 6997.2 BTU/h
25 Minutes later water temp was 108 @ 3.2 Amps  watts 704, Temp rise in 5 min  6F  99.96   BTU min,  x 60 = 5997.6 BTU/h

Watts to BTU calculator;
770 watts should = 2627.34 BTU/h
748 watts should = 2552.28 BTU/h
726 watts should = 2477.21 BTU/h
704 watts should = 2402.15 BTU/h


From my understanding about this water heating, and its not much BTW .  that Heat corresponding to change in temperature of 2 gallon of water by 1° Fahrenheit = 16.66 BTU, that is if my info is good. That's BTU per min. then times it by 60 to get BTU per hour.

I know there is a lot of losses in this test and I will try to fix that in the future.

Ok, time for you guys to cut, chop, and slash at it, tell me what I am doing wrong or what I should do to next.

Thank you,
Gabriel Peterson

[oilpiggy]

@ Skywatcher

So a 600 light bulb heater is a 2047.28 BTU/h rated heater?

[oilpiggy]

Ok here is the "no more useless banter" or this could still just be useless banter I don't know...

I ran a easy not so easy water test, a lot of lose ends, but non the less here it is.
I took readings every 5 min.

Volts @ 220  Amps change over time/ lower as water get hotter.

Core out side the the water start temp @ 68F run time 10 min @ 3 Amps top temp before putting into the water was 205F around 660 watts.

2 US GAL. in a bucket uninsulated to the environment @ 56F

I put the heat core in the water tank/ bucket. after 5 min water temp was @ 78F Amps when up to 3.8 / 836 watts.
10 Minutes later water temp was 86F @ 3.5 Amps. watts 770, Temp rise in 5 min  8F  133.28 BTU min,  x 60 = 7996.8 BTU/h
15 Minutes later water temp was 95 @ 3.4 Amps. watts 748, Temp rise in 5 min    9F  149.94 BTU min,  x 60 = 8996.4 BTU/h
20 Minutes later water temp was 102 @ 3.3 Amps. watts 726, Temp rise in 5 min  7F  116.62 BTU min,  x 60 = 6997.2 BTU/h
25 Minutes later water temp was 108 @ 3.2 Amps  watts 704, Temp rise in 5 min  6F  99.96   BTU min,  x 60 = 5997.6 BTU/h

Watts to BTU calculator;
770 watts should = 2627.34 BTU/h
748 watts should = 2552.28 BTU/h
726 watts should = 2477.21 BTU/h
704 watts should = 2402.15 BTU/h


From my understanding about this water heating, and its not much BTW .  that Heat corresponding to change in temperature of 2 gallon of water by 1° Fahrenheit = 16.66 BTU, that is if my info is good. That's BTU per min. then times it by 60 to get BTU per hour.

I know there is a lot of losses in this test and I will try to fix that in the future.

Ok, time for you guys to cut, chop, and slash at it, tell me what I am doing wrong or what I should do to next.

Thank you,
Gabriel Peterson

I am thinking my Math was wrong here..... Very wrong. .. lol oo well