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[ramset]

Evolvingape

I don't pretent to understand The "original Maxwell Work" that is at the root of this claim. Many of the fellows who are experimenting with this are way beyond the garage Tinkerer level.

You are one of the most selfless men I have ever encountered on these forums, your personal open source sacrifice to this world and community
puts you and your opinions on very solid ground.

Thank you,
Chet

[Zeitmaschine]

I can't see any OverUnity here.

The input measurements are roughly: 33 volts at 75 amps = 2475 watts

So there should be no problem to power 4 incandescent lamps each of them rated at 500W in full brightness with that input power. There are even 475 watts left to be wasted in the motor-generator assembly.

If someone could explain this to me.

Regards

[Red_Sunset]

Well, my impression is that your analysis is based only in that video, and this is a too small base of information to get conclusions. (IMO this is the origin  of your last question)   ...............................................................
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Regards
Alvaro

Hi Alvaro,

I am sympathetic with the content of your last post and share the same sentiments you describe.
It is important that we should defend a principle that is based on good reasoning and that can be verified and not just on a sentiment of belief without having addressed all the bases it depends upon.
When it comes to the UFOpolitics concept proposal, there is a piece of information missing  that should explain why this dual commutator is of interest, this was the reason for my last question.  Although I think I have discovered the reason and it is starting to look interesting. I am doing a more detailed analysis what is to follow.

With reference to the two type of coils,
You say that all coils are generator at one time and motor at an other time, and this is the reason for the commutator layout, this is understood.   When you take a time snapshot in time, you will find that at any one time,  there is "only one" generator  and "only one" other motor winding active, regardless which coil this is. I agree that the video is insufficient to make all the necessary deductions. 

I am having a closer look at a  3 pole rotor shown in he beginning of your winding document and already came across some interesting interactions due to the commutator setup, more soon

Regards,

[evolvingape]

Chet,

The more you know, the less you understand.

As of today I have requested to be permanently banned from overunity.com due to irreconcilable differences with the management. This will be my last post ever on this forum.

I wish UFO and his supporters well and will continue to watch their safe progress. I am learning from them, as are many others, and I thank them for that.

There is one thing I want to say before I go...

"God does not send angels to do battle with demons, he sends demons who want to go home."

Rob Mason.

[MileHigh]

Rob:

Sorry to see you go.

Chet:

PW raised the point about the current meter on the output not being correct because it was reading too high.  This is where free energy experimenters often go wrong.  If UFO alleged that he was outputting 6 kW then that would mean that 1.5 kW were being dissipated in each 500-watt lamp.  That clearly was not the case because the lamps would have been blindingly bright or perhaps they would have burnt out within 10 seconds.  If you are around this test setup all the time then you are supposed to know what the feel of 2 kW is like coming off of your four lamps.  Then you run your test and see if your meter readings are at least backed up by the feel.  This clearly did not happen.

Also, many on EF are up in arms that people asked UFO for more measurements, etc.  What do they want?  If someone makes a claim then you ask the person about the claim.  How could UFO not measure the voltage across the load?   Even if he didn't do it in the clip itself, he could have done it offline and report it when he posted and give the power in and power out.

Here is what I think:  The motor dropped in RPM under the load.  Who knows what kind of waveform was driving those bulbs but let's put that issue aside for the moment.  Let's suppose that the voltage driving the lamps was only 90 volts.  Therefore (90*90)/(120*120)*500*4 = 1125 watts being dissipated in the four lamps.  So his efficiency in transferring battery input power to load output power would be about 50% based on these assumptions.

With respect to UFO's rewiring of electric motors in general, I don't really follow the thread but I doubt that any serious analysis is done to compare unmodified vs. the modified motor.  You are probably aware that any serious motor analysis demands that you plot performance curves for the motor.  Without a prony brake you can easily use a generator attached to a resistive load instead.  With some thought and effort an astute experimenter could make before/after comparisons on a motor using a generator with an attached load bank as the mechanical load for your motor under test.

When you distill all of the talk and speculation down, the end of the line is how does your unmodified or modified motor act under a mechanical load.  So a "UFO modified" motor would have to generate performance curves that are superior to the stock unmodified motor to get my attention.  Just a couple of days testing with an unmodified motor and a couple of days testing with a modified motor using a generator attached to a load would allow you to generate the required data.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that has ever been done.

MileHigh