UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[Red_Sunset]

Gents,
I need to say that the UFOpolitics motor/generator concept is an interesting device to say the least.  Some serious thinking went into this.   I would guess he took the integration of motor and generator to a maximum, optimizing the interaction of the magnetic fields. But I can not agree with the "asymmetrical" as related to the working principle.  Asymmetry requires one directional influence only with no push back. A hard nut to crack. If you are interested to crack that one, have a chat with Wayne Travis from Hydro revolution, he can teach you a few ways on how to do that, unfortunately in buoyancy only.

Description:
The dual commutator is the core of the motor alteration and directs the concept. As a 3 pole motor, each pole will see for 120dgr motor service followed by a 60dgr gap before it starts a 120drg generator service. Each motor and generator functions for only 33% of the revolution time. The remaining 33% is idle.  Each generator pole outputs only ½ wave form (120dgr of 180dgr) from a descending magnetic field per revolution.
The initial first half of generator function corresponds with the last half of motor function and visa versa.

The complete function and interactions can be seen by the 2 views attached, motor mode at middle commutator position, and generator mode at middle commutator position.

What is of interest to note:
In the example shown, when pole 3 is the generator, it is going through a reducing primary PM field. The poles #1 & 2 will reduce this primary field faster than a the rotation would be able to do,  and this increase the induced emf generated. In addition, the opposing magnetic force of pole 1 & 2 will also reduce the generator loading force.
The unfortunate penalty for the reduced loading force is a equal reduced motor force during the first 60dgr of motor function.
During the second half of motor function (increasing field)  and first part of generator function (decreasing field), will have a neutral effect on pole #2 that now entered the neutral idle zone.

Conclusion,
I am sorry to say that I couldn't find a gemstone, that doesn't mean that there isn't one. We have a motor who's duty cycle is severely reduced by the introduction of the generator. A generator beneficial aspect impacts the motor section adversely and the remaining behavior is neutral.
Apart from an interesting configuration, I still can not see any redeeming factor that could have a capability to take this device anywhere into the OU zone. 
Remember, this is my view from a distance looking at paper facts only. The practical world can always serve unexpected surprises.
If anybody has additional information that can "add or correct" any information presented here, do not hesitate to post it.

Some advice on proving OU with batteries
The method to try to prove overunity with batteries is more complex than initially thought of.  This type of motor/generator is by nature a spiky device (motor pulse is in the middle of the generator cycle) and this in combination with the chemistry of batteries can give you some serious misleading reactions and readings, at least for a while and the reckoning comes later (although it can be good for de-sulfating of lead acid batteries).

[Gwandau]

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The second issue is announcing overunity results without the evidence to support it. I have lost count of the number of times this has happened, and every time it has turned out to be measurement error or faulty analysis of the results. You must understand that if you are going to announce you have developed a device that operates on principles outside of the known laws of physics it must have solid evidence to support it. I see this same mistake repeated over and over,  a situation not helped by the alternative media who irresponsibly trumpet it as loud as they can. The device or system or whatever then gets quietly forgotten about to move onto the next "overunity" device. Do you see how this damages the credibility of the open source energy research community ?

evolvingape,

you nailed it right there, this is the very core of the matter responsible for the present lack of credibility in the open source energy research community.

Solid evidence backing you up is absolutely essential before even thinking of blowing the wistle.

So don't announce any claims before you have a fully functional device that has been subjected to long test runs.

And if you want to present your device in a video, fine, but remember that no video, no matter how elegant, carry any proof whatsoever.
The only proof that carry any weight at all is when the device is functioning as a closed loop and repeatedly built and test run by independent third party goups.

To claim anything before that is self destructive and highly unscientific.

Gwandau

[ramset]

Rob
We are in conflict, a battle that will test us to the boundaries of our resolve.
And the limits of our resources.
Your intentions on these pages has been clear
Rob [Evolvingape]
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I just want people to use my work to make the world a better place, save lives, and help themselves.
I have invested in them, let's see what they do with it...
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Rob as I type this the president of my country makes a speech at a school not far from my home,Some Evils are self evident, a maniac twisted by "demons" taking the lives of hero's and innocents.other evils not so obvious
other "demons" appear much more innocuos ,yet cause far more suffering.

Lets turn the page on the past ,and open the door to the future.
Mr UFO has this vision too,the one where an unbridaled  access to energy
will bring change of a much different flavor to this planet,a "change" for the better.

Perhaps this abomination against the children will bring us together as a society to knock down these digital, electronic, impersonal barriers that stand between us?
Maybe this will trickle down to our community of experimenters?

Maybe even to the point where we will trust each other enough to ask for help
to utilize our resources to the utmost in these builds[like when we fall behind schedule in our overzealous [yet commendable] construction schedules].
To be able to ASK FOR HELP...........

Rob
Did I say we were at "conflict"?
you are an amazing Asset to this community!!
I do not know the circumstance surrounding your "situation".

I pray you reconsider your choices.
Very Much your friend
Chetkremens@gmail.com

[Ian Koglin]

G'Day Red Sunset And others
I have been reading the posts here regarding UFO's 12/12/12 Word

When any of you have made a project have you not tried to see if it works as soon as you are able even though it is not finished

All Here need to realise that every one that is trying to make over unity machines in the past have not succeeded or have disappeared
I am writing here to just set a few things straight

As Red Sunset stated in his post « Reply #24 on: December 15, 2012, 03:42:17 PM »

Do not take advice uninformed,  take advice to inform yourself !  It will aid you in the long run.
It is obvious to me that most of you here are giving and taking unimformed advice

That you are making comments about things you have not even read, especially about  what UFO is disclosing to everyone for free
First before you all make any comment regarding what UFO is sharing
You should read all his posts starting here about the disclosure that UFO has made it is here Not all the rubbish by uninformed persons disrupting the thread
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10529-my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy.html#post178976

Then read all the posts starting here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines.html

You will notice that UFO did not ask anyone to buy 2 $600 or even $100 motors to alter and see for ourselves what he was trying to explain he asked us if we want to buy 3 $6 motors and SEE for ourselves what he is saying

Every time someone asked a question regarding his disclosure he willingly answered everyone even those who here having trouble he helped so they got thier machines going

AS you read these posts you will understand the logic and as you build you will see for yourselves that what he is disclosing to us is just as he has said (it is our experimenting not his as he has finished all the experimenting before his disclosure)
many have asked about different Electric motors to convert he has looked at them and after has shown how to wire them or if the wont be useful to discard them and gives the reason why

Not averyone on the above lists are exactly sure that what UFO is disclosing is going to be exactly as he says But we are patient
And those who have built/modified like myself as he has shown are confident in what he says is feasible the fact that they are purchasing more expensive machines proves this.
Also I am sure that the Imperial Electric Company like other electric motor companies would not sell incomplete motors to anyone Just to experiment with (Believe me I have tried every where to purchase a bare motor that is without wire) especially at the price they are doing, so if they did not think there was any benefit.

So Before anyone else is going to comment here I suggest you do as As Red Sunset stated
Do not take advice uninformed,  take advice to inform yourself !  It will aid you in the long run.

Kindest Regards
Ian Koglin aka Kogs

[mikestocks2006]

The 41 amp AC reading doesn't make much sense.  Not sure why there is such a high reading, as the load is only 2000 watts of incandescent lamps.  It would have been nice if he would have checked each 120VAC leg independently or used the other clamp meter to confirm the AC current.  Both clamp meters can also measure voltage, and an AC voltage reading would have been nice.  As well, the DC reading may be inaccurate as the commutation will produce a lot of high frequency pulsing/noise.

The voltage regulator in the gen head will maintain the proper voltage within a certain range of RPM's.  As the gen lugs down the RPM of the prime mover, the output frequency will vary directly with the gen RPM but the voltage will hold fairly steady until the RPM is so low that the gen windings or exciter can't produce enough current to drive the load and at that point the voltage will drop with further drop in RPM, but not necessarily linearly. 

My backup power gen set has an idle feature that still produces 240/120 at idle, but at around 13Hz.  Normally a sense circuit detects a load and spins it up when a load is applied, but to conserve fuel (and noise), I have drawn a few hundred watts off of it while idling (and tricking the sense circuit).  It can hold its voltage pretty well at idle up to a few hundred watts but collapses at greater loads.

Just about every configuration of motor-generator has been commercially built in the past.  AC to DC, DC to AC, single phase AC to multi-phase AC and vice versa.  They were a lot more common in the "olden days".

Give him more time, he seems intent on getting better measurements.

At the moment though, I'd still hold off on the party...       

It would appear from his videos that he is using the Mecc Alte 6KVA  brushless generator.
Looking at the specs, the built in Voltage regulator can handle from -5% to +30% of recommended input 3600 rpm.
At 2450 rpm it is operating at around – 32% of recommended. Way below the -5%.  So what would be the output voltage at that speed?
No specs, voltage curves for that rpm level available. It would be great to have a voltage measurement at that rpm.

Thanks
Mike