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[Ian Koglin]

I watched the video.  It appears that he was only measuring the DC current feeding one set of motor windings.  With the initially turned on winding, he measured 46 amps or so, then he switched on the "output" winding, which was actually being used as an additional motor winding and the current dropped in the first leg, because the second set of windings were likely pulling as much as the first set, but were not included in the measurement (i.e., 23 amps or so perwinding set).  46 amps at 34 volts is ca 1564 watts to produce 1000 watts.  Quite sensible, but no OU.

Others can scrutiny the video to see if my "he only measured half the DC current" assertion is correct based on what can be seen of the wiring, but he should have clamped his ammeter right on the cutoff switch knifeblade or measured the current in both legs and added them up.  If he actually believes one set of windings is acting as an "output", then the knife blade or a wire loop right off the battery to the knife blade would have been the correct location to measure DC current.  (He could also measure at any battery interconnect loop as well).

Surely he knows this. 

For now, still no party...

PW

G'Day picowatt, EtAl

Please beleive me I intend no disrespect here to any one. I consider all who are here  my friends and all my friends call me Kogs

It is obvious you have not understood the rewiring of the Motors that UFO has explained on his site.

If you dont read the 2 lists/threads that UFO has started (Disregarding all the posts that distract what is being taught )you can not understand what he is explaining in the videos.
You can not make assumptions from just watching and thinking that it is working the way a normal DC motor works. His motors are not normal DC motors.

There are not 2 motor windings in his motors the switches he has attached are not what you are saying, without going into too much detail here
as he explains himself quite clearly on his thread and it would take me too long to try to teach you here and I am not going to try to teach here as he is doing a good job himself to all those who want to take the time to read and learn what he is saying and actually by reading all his posts.

Simply stated
his machines are actually a motor and generator combined each separate winding is either a motor winding or a generator winding all depending on the position of the windings whether it has power to it or not. When it has power to it then it is a motor winding and runs the motor, it uses the input to the motor and draws current from the DC source the battery and is measured in the amps when the same motor winding is in a different position it is a generator not a motor and therefore produces energy and does not draw power from the source and then is the output of the motor and it can also be measured in amps. A 3pole motor has 3 separate windings, a 5 pole motor has 5 separate windings, a 20 pole motor hase 20 separate windings. These windings are not wound as a normal DC motor winding but are explained quite clearly on his thread here.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-106.html
You need to start read from Post one
UFO has shown US on his  two sites how to switch or rather channel the output from the gererator windings (the output) into the Motor winding (the input) and when he does this the whole motor then only draws about half of the the amps it is /was using when the input was only to the motor winding.

I hope this helps you understand things more clearly
I would encourage all of you to start reading here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-106.html

Starting from post one

Kindest regards
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Kogs trying to help

[ramset]

Kogs
Thank you for taking the time and effort to offer explanations and guidance With UFO's Unorthodox Motor /Gen system.

Surely this will "Do what it Do" in the very near future!and the Skilled
measurement Men will have their Day too.....

And perhaps the party to follow !{@pix , hold unto your hat}
Thx
Chet

[TinselKoala]

What does it matter "how" it is supposed to work? You have some batteries supplying a "black box". Inside this box is an asymmetric machine, or a very tired squirrel, or the very Wheelworks of Nature..... who knows, we'll take a look later on. There is a set of outlets on the side of the Black Box that you can plug some load into, like a bank of lightbulbs. Explanations of how the Black Box powers its load are not necessary, since it has _not yet been shown_ that the amount of energy coming _out_ of the black box, during a suitable time interval, exceeds that energy being put _Into_ the black box from its batteries.

Perhaps Kogs has access to some better measurements of input and output _energies_ than what we have seen so far. If so.... by all means let us examine them.

[MileHigh]

Kogs:

Simply stated
his machines are actually a motor and generator combined each separate winding is either a motor winding or a generator winding all depending on the position of the windings whether it has power to it or not. When it has power to it then it is a motor winding and runs the motor, it uses the input to the motor and draws current from the DC source the battery and is measured in the amps when the same motor winding is in a different position it is a generator not a motor and therefore produces energy and does not draw power from the source and then is the output of the motor and it can also be measured in amps. A 3pole motor has 3 separate windings, a 5 pole motor has 5 separate windings, a 20 pole motor hase 20 separate windings. These windings are not wound as a normal DC motor winding but are explained quite clearly on his thread here.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-106.html
You need to start read from Post one
UFO has shown US on his  two sites how to switch or rather channel the output from the gererator windings (the output) into the Motor winding (the input) and when he does this the whole motor then only draws about half of the the amps it is /was using when the input was only to the motor winding.

When it comes to a motor winding if you insert a generator winding like you are describing then it's like you have merged a motor and a generator into one system.  That's all fine but you need to understand that the same things still happen.  What I mean by that is when a motor winding is active it pushes on the rotor to make it speed up.  When a generator winding is active it pulls on the rotor to slow it down.  Then also in the UFO-winding case you can have direct transformer action between the motor winding and the generator winding.

The thing to keep in mind that although it sounds like a fascinating winding scheme, the same principles that apply to separate motors connected to separate generators and transformers will still apply.   The fundamental things that are happening is the motor coils are creating changing magnetic flux and generator coils are producing counter flux.   A UFO-wired motor is a changing magnetic flux mish-mash - but the same principles that you observe when a moving magnet passes a coil connected to a load will apply.

The question is how many people can "see" that.

With respect to the motor drawing half the amps, then you have to measure its mechanical power output to be able to draw any conclusions.  One more time, the same basic motor and generator principles will apply.  You can assume that a motor that draws half the amps will have approximately one half the mechanical power output.  That would ideally require a comparison of the torque vs. RPM vs. input power plot (or something equivalent done with a generator connected to a load bank) for the two motor configurations.

Of course I realize that the whole premise of the UFO wiring configuration is that it does something special.

MileHigh

[picowatt]

G'Day picowatt, EtAl

Please beleive me I intend no disrespect here to any one. I consider all who are here  my friends and all my friends call me Kogs

It is obvious you have not understood the rewiring of the Motors that UFO has explained on his site.

If you dont read the 2 lists/threads that UFO has started (Disregarding all the posts that distract what is being taught )you can not understand what he is explaining in the videos.
You can not make assumptions from just watching and thinking that it is working the way a normal DC motor works. His motors are not normal DC motors.

There are not 2 motor windings in his motors the switches he has attached are not what you are saying, without going into too much detail here
as he explains himself quite clearly on his thread and it would take me too long to try to teach you here and I am not going to try to teach here as he is doing a good job himself to all those who want to take the time to read and learn what he is saying and actually by reading all his posts.

Simply stated
his machines are actually a motor and generator combined each separate winding is either a motor winding or a generator winding all depending on the position of the windings whether it has power to it or not. When it has power to it then it is a motor winding and runs the motor, it uses the input to the motor and draws current from the DC source the battery and is measured in the amps when the same motor winding is in a different position it is a generator not a motor and therefore produces energy and does not draw power from the source and then is the output of the motor and it can also be measured in amps. A 3pole motor has 3 separate windings, a 5 pole motor has 5 separate windings, a 20 pole motor hase 20 separate windings. These windings are not wound as a normal DC motor winding but are explained quite clearly on his thread here.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-106.html
You need to start read from Post one
UFO has shown US on his  two sites how to switch or rather channel the output from the gererator windings (the output) into the Motor winding (the input) and when he does this the whole motor then only draws about half of the the amps it is /was using when the input was only to the motor winding.

I hope this helps you understand things more clearly
I would encourage all of you to start reading here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-106.html

Starting from post one

Kindest regards
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Kogs trying to help

With all due respect, when he switches on the second switch, the motor speed increases and the amp draw on the first set of brushes (first switch) goes to half its previous value.  The second set of brushes/windings switched in are acting as a second motoring winding and the load is therefore shared by both brush pairs, hence both switched leads.  And that is exactly what the measuremenrt he showed demonstrated. 

Measuring where he did only measures half the motor drive current.  Measuring on any of the single wires used to connect the batteries together (or the knife blade) will give a true current reading.

Anyone that buys into his reasoning regarding why the motor drive current can't be measured at the negative battery wire should be ashamed.   He should be called on that.

Several members duplicated the little RS motor mod and when someone began to perform actual performance comparison measurements UFO went off the deep end and then said the motor was only a small model not intended to prove any OU (nor did it even appear more efficient).  So what was the point of that motor mod?

It seems he is now attempting to measure only what and where it makes his system look good.

If he does not/will not redo the motor power measurement with the clamp meter on a single battery interconnect wire, both his ethics and understanding of power measurement should be questioned.

This is not the first time he has demonstrated a lack of understanding about power measurement.  For example, when he claimed OU on 12-12, he used 50 amps @ 240 as his generating capability, even though his gen is only rated at 25 amps @240 (and I doubt his motor could ever drive that gen to full load without producing smoke).

Sorry, all the party favors are back in the closet.

PW