Magnetic energy pump OU motor

[broli]

You are right on the energy for keeping the magnets alive. The point of using an iron core around a solenoid is to amplify the field for free! You need very little power compared to what the total setup can give to keep the magnets at full strength all the time. So the argument of dieing magnets is bullshit unless the magnets die within minutes  .

[wizkycho]

.... supplemental stardate ....

- 90W is maximum I could put on that coil since I used PC powersupply 12V
but as can be seen on chart - last measurement is still around 2x pressure stronger so more pressure can be developed before that faktor g(withmag)/g(without)
goes down.

- have not yet determined for sure why power input rises exponentially, pressure only lineary
is it heat due to ressistance (and it heats at from 50W-, pretty quckly , havent used thermometer though....) ? haven't wait long enough too cool down either between messurements
or is it due to very small but existant down movement of scale (angle of rotor changes) ?

that of course doesn't negate that pressure is doubled because coil heats the same with and without magnets

for additional experiments,suggestions,questions, schematic,data I'll bemore then glad to respond
I might though not replay to sceptics - cause there is really not much room left for that 

Wiz

[wizkycho]

You are right on the energy for keeping the magnets alive. The point of using an iron core around a solenoid is to amplify the field for free! You need very little power compared to what the total setup can give to keep the magnets at full strength all the time. So the argument of dieing magnets is bullshit unless the magnets die within minutes  .

   Not quite sure if I understood You understood what I wrote to those stubborn (at least) underunity people - but I can't blame (completely) them - profesors are actally teaching them in schools and that is just WROOOONG.

Magnet once made doesn't require additional energy to maintain it's magnetic strenght if used properly below threshold
shortly - In these setups magnet doesn't lose it's strenght a bit. cause it is used without direct repulsion in a first place.

PM acts like a quality building, once made it can stay there loooong because of its structure - the magnetic field in permanent magnet emerges from its structure not from what it contains
like accumulator or capacitor. It has no CAPACITY(electrons). it is permanent and from our perspective of time eternal.

Wiz

[broli]

If we made two separate countries, one where the skeptics would live and one with the free thinkers I believe the skeptics will be still playing with fire while the free thinkers already reached other galaxies. I hate closed minded people I don't want them near me at all. They and others around them will achieve nothing in their lives. If it wasn't for skeptics "cockblocking" free thinkers we wouldn't be in this filthy world filled with greed and corruption.

[mscoffman]

Magnet once made doesn't require additional energy to maintain it's magnetic strength if used properly below threshold
shortly - In these setups magnet doesn't lose it's strength a bit. cause it is used without direct repulsion in a first place.

Wiz

Well put! Magnetic Domains are self recruiting and generally restore each other to replace
the net sum of the magnetization field.  In certain specific domains this may fail, but the effect reaches
a limit and that limit sticks. Domains are generally erased by nanoscopic Curie heating taking
a certain AC energy strength to accomplish.

:S:MarkSCoffman