Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.

[MarkE]

  Basically, an actual demonstration of OU is a clerical error due to the current level of ignorance of                                                                       science


                                                 clerical error: Haeresie ?

                                     How old are the thermodynamic laws ?


                   And how old is the scientifically defined "radio-active energy" ?
                                       alpha/beta/gamma-.... radiation


                   Is it ,now,not possible to calculate the total in/out-put relation ?


    `                           Who is accusing whom about what ?

It is generally agreed that if a black box outputs far more energy than can be accounted for entering and/or stored in the box that the box appears to be OU.  There are some disagreements between people as to whether this behavior would mean that the extra energy would be from some presently unrecognized source, or that a process in the box makes something from nothing.  The latter argument is pointless until such time as we observe a black box that seems to deliver surplus energy.

[profitis]

@mark E if you are judging for overunity it is pointless to even look at a black box unless you know exactly what's inside.it is however not necessary to know what's inside a black box if its going to power your ipod cheaply and for a long time.

[john_doe]

@   lancaIV
I'm referring to the energy such a device would provide. Obviously the device would need to be paid for the same way solar panels need to be purchased.
Based on observations around this forum and humanity in general, I feel we need to evolve pretty quickly if we're to avoid such futures as the one theorised in the classic TV series "Firefly".
I don't really understand the direction this thread and most of others has gone when it comes to discussing ideas around the "Free energy" or "OU" subject.
That statement isn't an attack or an attempt to put anyone down rather just an expression of frustration regarding, what looks to me, an unfortunate case of chest beating. Think gorilla saying hey pay attention to me.

The universe is huge. If we don't hurry up and get out there, another species will claim suitable planets before us and we'll be confined to a resource depleted planet arguing between ourselves.
Anyway, another pointless argument attempting to clarify words said by those who can't even agree on what those words mean even though you're speaking the same language.

[MarkE]

@mark E if you are judging for overunity it is pointless to even look at a black box unless you know exactly what's inside.it is however not necessary to know what's inside a black box if its going to power your ipod cheaply and for a long time.

If we know the mass and dimensions of a black box then we know what the maximum stored energy is using any recognized energy source.

"Cheaply" and "long" are both subjective.

[profitis]

Woooow reaaallly @mark E so calculate for us the exact potential energy storage in precisely one gram molar nickel hydroxide(Ni(OH)2) coupled to one gram molar MnO2 under air in 1M NaOH then.I got him by the balls now @lanca (-: