Tesla's Charging Circuit and it's Application to Pulse Motors

[Magluvin]

I disagree, that's baloney in my opinion, the oscillation does not happen when a de-q-ing diode is used. The oscillation you seen is the result of your setup alone and there is no evidence that it happens all the time. And I can tell you the oscillation is a result of the energy sloshing back and forth. An ignition coil in a car works at different frequencies and when the resonance frequency of the charging circuit's L/C is reached there is no back flow of energy, the oscillation is the result of the inductance of the charging coil and the capacitance not operating at the resonance frequency, it doesn't need to, It is not a good thing in my situation and is merely a consequence of Tesla having no diodes to use.

You ought to do some research on resonant charging circuits. Here- http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html find the part on extinction frequencies and the de-q-ing diode.

Some text on extinction frequencies.

Honestly you make your own self look silly.

And I bet you only tried that setup after I mentioned it in the RomeroUk Muller thread. Makes sense since you didn't mention it during the entire time I posted about what I am doing. 

You show no evidence of the claim you make about the oscillation. And an oscillation in a charging circuit means very little.

You show some degree of wanting to dismiss what I am doing by what you say.

It won't work, The thing with the oscillation is pure rubbish. I have to say.

Now I have good reason to ignore you.

Go to Richie Burnett and tell him he is not utilizing the charging circuit in the best possible way for him. Sheez

Cheers

"I disagree, that's baloney in my opinion, the oscillation does not happen when a de-q-ing diode is used."

What Tesla charging circuit are you referring to?  I thought this was about the igniter for gas engines circuit.       There are no diodes in that circuit. If you have them in your circuit, then it is not the same circuit.


"The oscillation you seen is the result of your setup alone and there is no evidence that it happens all the time." 

I have bench tested so many car coils, I cannot count.   Test an ign coil on the bench, at freq of 400hz or less. This is the freq of an 8 cyl engine running max 6000rpm, just for an average reference, and dont use a cap across the points(switching) and put a scope across the primary winding of the coil. Then put a .47uf 100v cap across the points and then tell me what you see. The oscillation happens through the car battery while were at it, because it is in series with the primary coil, cap and the battery when the points open for ignition.

In 'the' igniter patent, when that cap after being charged by the previous points connection, is put across the primary of the spark transformer at the upper left of the diagram. You are telling me that when that cap is discharging into that primary we get no oscillation within that LC while the points are closed?   Have you built the actual circuit as shown???   You better check again.  Im not saying the oscillation lasts for ever.  Heck, put it on a sim. Same thing.


"It is not a good thing in my situation and is merely a consequence of Tesla having no diodes to use."   

No kidding, didnt I say that in my previous post.


" Honestly you make your own self look silly. "   



"And I bet you only tried that setup after I mentioned it in the RomeroUk Muller thread. Makes sense since you didn't mention it during the entire time I posted about what I am doing.  "   

Oh really?      Did you see the date on that video???  How about this thread link below???
http://www.overunity.com/8841/electrical-igniter-for-gas-engines-a-keystone-to-understanding-by-magluvin/msg230598/#msg230598

Tisk tisk.  Yep, thats 'my' thread.    Im not feeling silly. How bout you???    What is your problem? Like YOU DISCOVERED IT FIRST. WELL WHO CARES?? Gimme a break. Were not in grade school here.


"You show no evidence of the claim you make about the oscillation. And an oscillation in a charging circuit means very little."

The Igniter circuit is an AC circuit while the cap and the primary are together and oscillating. Its not a DC output device. And further more, if the points were connected for a long period of time, the cap, battery, and the large inductance will oscillate,, sloshing as you call it at low freq. Thats why the Large inductance value is chosen for the particular range of freq that the points will be closed, and choosen large enough to not have time for reversal before the contacts are open again. 


"You show some degree of wanting to dismiss what I am doing by what you say.
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Not in the least. I use the igniter(modified or not) with many of my projects.


"It won't work, The thing with the oscillation is pure rubbish. I have to say.

Now I have good reason to ignore you."

Ignor me. Fine. If you cannot nor have ever seen oscillation in 'Teslas igniter circuit', I dont know what to say.  There are others that have, I can assure you.  Ask Forest, Tito, Gyula.  Ask Point to run a sim.

Maybe your large inductance isnt so large. Maybe your caps are not small enough in value for oscillation to occur at your particular freq of operation.  But I can tell you, that oscillation between the cap and the primary of the spark coil does happen when the switch is closed, and the larger and longer lasting spark is evidence of what works better for making 'igniter' sparks as the patent shows it used for the purpose of 'ignition'.  This is a capacitive discharge ignition system. It sparks when the switch is closed, vs the standard ign systems that spark when the switch is opened. But both provide oscillation of the primary of the spark coil.



"Go to Richie Burnett and tell him he is not utilizing the charging circuit in the best possible way for him. Sheez"

Na. Dont know the guy and dont care.

Mags

[Magluvin]

I disagree, that's baloney in my opinion, the oscillation does not happen when a de-q-ing diode is used. The oscillation you seen is the result of your setup alone and there is no evidence that it happens all the time. And I can tell you the oscillation is a result of the energy sloshing back and forth. An ignition coil in a car works at different frequencies and when the resonance frequency of the charging circuit's L/C is reached there is no back flow of energy, the oscillation is the result of the inductance of the charging coil and the capacitance not operating at the resonance frequency, it doesn't need to, It is not a good thing in my situation and is merely a consequence of Tesla having no diodes to use.

You ought to do some research on resonant charging circuits. Here- http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html find the part on extinction frequencies and the de-q-ing diode.

Some text on extinction frequencies.

Honestly you make your own self look silly.

And I bet you only tried that setup after I mentioned it in the RomeroUk Muller thread. Makes sense since you didn't mention it during the entire time I posted about what I am doing. 

You show no evidence of the claim you make about the oscillation. And an oscillation in a charging circuit means very little.

You show some degree of wanting to dismiss what I am doing by what you say.

It won't work, The thing with the oscillation is pure rubbish. I have to say.

Now I have good reason to ignore you.

Go to Richie Burnett and tell him he is not utilizing the charging circuit in the best possible way for him. Sheez

It is my opinion that if Tesla had of had a semiconductor diode he would have used it in that circuit, and I think he would have done so because it is an improvement to the circuit.
And is an obvious one. However the circuit will still work without it, but not as well or as versatile.

Tesla's patent is about the ignition coil, but the resonant charging circuit can be used in many other ways, the best way to use it is the way it works best in the situation you use it in.

If we take hard evidence and apply logical thinking the possibilities are obvious.

This thread is in the Tesla Technology section where there is no overtone of needing to be about free energy or OU. But to be technical, the motor only uses free energy form the sun it cost nothing for the electricity to run it. So it's a machine that runs on free energy because that is all I've supplied it so far. Free solar energy. I see no reason to try to make free energy from free energy. I want to find efficient ways to use my free energy. 

Cheers

Uggg, now after I have replied to your post in my last post, you have added to it.    Ill cover that here.

"It is my opinion that if Tesla had of had a semiconductor diode he would have used it in that circuit, and I think he would have done so because it is an improvement to the circuit.
And is an obvious one. However the circuit will still work without it, but not as well or as versatile."

I dont completely disagree. Ill leave it at that.


"This thread is in the Tesla Technology section where there is no overtone of needing to be about free energy or OU. But to be technical, the motor only uses free energy form the sun it cost nothing for the electricity to run it. So it's a machine that runs on free energy because that is all I've supplied it so far. Free solar energy. I see no reason to try to make free energy from free energy. I want to find efficient ways to use my free energy.  "

Yes I am getting it. You are allergic to the words Free Energy. I get it. Just the inkling of the mention make you cringe it would seem. Heck you just might melt if I say it.  I wonder if that is in the rules here at 'OU' that threads can be moderated to prevent others from talking about free energy? I would find that ironic.    Are there not forums that deal strictly with just under COP motors and devices, being that is what you are concentrating on and nothing more, according to your statement above?

Mags

[Magluvin]

Also I must say what I'm doing has nothing to do with the "ORBO". Not that I am aware of, I didn't pay much attention to the orbo though.

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Instead of using the 'large' inductance from the Tesla circuits actual magnetic field applied to the rotor directly, my large inductor has an ecore to raise the inductance. The ecore inductor doesnt affect the rotor in the normal motoring way. The rotor magnet is attracted to the core. And then when the magnet is right up on the core, the circuit is timed for the inductor to conduct and the field in the core from the coil lessens the attraction of the rotor magnet allowing the magnet to pass, providing motor action.
It was shown that the magnet passing the core/coil did not affect the input to the coil. So that is why I said the rotor does not affect my coil. It does affect yours because your coil has an open magnetic circuit, where my ecore, or even a toroid are not. Steorn used toroid cores, and I used an ecore because it would have taken way to long to wind all that wire on a toroid.

Mags

[forest]

Well... I think Tito way would be the best for recovery and when you add two magnets around you would have R.Willis schematic    However in my case I'm trying to eliminate as much of electronics as possible. Maybe not soon but someday I will ....


Simple advice is to learn again what Tom Bearden descibed : don't kill the dipole. Eliminate reactive power completely or in other words you have to have only DIPOLE when something important is to be done    Have you ever thought what is the dipole ?
It's encoded in Bearden moving picture Tito mentioned...or in Don Smith show...

[Farmhand]

I'm not asking for help I'm showing what I'm doing. I have no desire to discuss Bearden or the Orbo. I'm not here to answer vague questions either.

A perfect example of what annoys me is when I mentioned to Mags that a possible good use for a pulse motor is for a fan and a water pump to raise water from a ground level tank to a raised tank. Then Mags starts to try to tell me what I will need too do, what a joke. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what I need to do, he spoke of this and that with no idea of my needs ( which is nil in that area ). It wouldn't matter if it took two days or more to move the water, so the pump need not be any particular rating or type, I could use gearing/pulley ratio's to make the work easier for the motor, the time it takes means nothing, there is no hurry, there is nothing to say I even need to use a conventional pump as long as the water is moved then that is all that matters. I was simply stating what a possible good use for a pulse motor could be, and I get sprayed with how I should do it, I never even said I was going to, just that it was a possible use. Jebus.

As far as dipoles go, to transfer energy from a supply to a load then emf must be applied and that comes from a dipole. Bearden was full of it. I pay no attention to him and have no need to. I also have no desire to speak of Tito or Don Smith here, they are full of it as well.

I also have no requirement for others opinions of what I should do, I am open to suggestions but I don't take directions.

I understand how the charging circuit works and how I am using it and why. If anyone see's anything I say as false then speak up and quote me in context with the complaint.

I'm not here to make friends and I didn't start the thread to continuously explain myself in posts. I made this thread to document the principal so that the people who are interested to use it or try it can do so with some help and info. And I'm here to develop novel and useful ways of using my free solar energy, My motor has been running for many hours already and I have not paid one cent for the input energy. That's free energy being used efficiently, I'm happy with that, I don't require any miracles.

When I am ready I'll post a basic drawing as I said I would.

The operation of the charging circuit is clearly defined although many people still do not understand it fully so that they can use it efectively. There is no need for any special oscillation ect. it works as it does and that is that a "de-q-ing" diode is a big improvement to the resonant charging circuit but in some cases where people may want some energy to return to the supply at certain frequencies the "de-q-ing" diode might be not wanted, also in some cases where the input current may not be compatible with a semiconductor diode it might be better left out. The basic purpose of the charging circuit is to provide an increased charge for better effect, all else is gravy.

I use a resonant charging circuit for my Tesla coil primary circuit, it has a large inductance because it is needed (due to the high voltage). I understand what I am doing Mags I explained the benefits of the large inductance for the charging circuit in the Tesla coil primary in the one or two of the Threads about Tesla coils.

I will use as much inductance as I need or want, this prototype has compromises made in several area's, one of them is the coils. I already explained that. It's not time to go into the inductance of the coils for my motor as yet or calculate what would be a suitable inductance for a given setup, other parameters need to be decided first such as the operating electrical frequency and the capacitance used ect. Everything is relative to what we want to achieve not what others think or assume we want to achieve.

This thread is not about the ignition coil patent itself or the ignition coil application of the charging circuit, the patent just explains the charging circuit principal and shows where the idea was patented. Nothing more. I'll use the charging circuit however I please and unless I speak what you see as lies then there is no need to argue about it. IF you have a problem with something I say quote me in context and say so clearly what the problem is, then I will address the issue in whatever way is applicable.

Why fill up the tread with pointless argument and misunderstanding ? That is a kind of suppression, be it intentional or not.

Cheers

P.S. Here's a suggestion guys, go work on your own projects and report on your progress where ever it is you are reporting on your progress.

To reiterate I am open to suggestions but I don't take directions. I am open to valid discussion but have no desire for people to try to tell me what I want to do. When I want help I'll ask for it, but I don't mind something in particular being pointed out to me if it is relative to what I'm doing. If I feel people are being underhanded and casting aspersions or making vague statements of a false or confusing nature I will speak out. And I will usually do so with quotes and links to references.

I expect the same, quotes and references please or it didn't happen.

Cheers