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Overunity Machines Forum



1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%

Started by cipbranea, May 21, 2014, 01:38:08 AM

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d3x0r

Quote from: noonespecial on July 05, 2014, 09:46:22 AM
If you consider your first diagram, and even though B is not fixed to A, rotating A causes B to rotate in a horizontal circle. There could be some initial raising of the lower at startup, but once it is rotating, centripetal force will keep it rotating in a flat horizontal circle.
In current considerations, B is attached to A... even though in skinner B is much shorter and A longer and the mass entirely differently shaped (and disregarding the top  floating mass)


centripetal force is an effect not a cause.  it's a result of a motion not a cause... The cause is the attempt to come back down...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4p1o1aQgkM  "moving the hill..."

i_ron

Quote from: d3x0r on July 05, 2014, 09:15:01 AM
I dunno about elliptical... the top is actually driven by flat levers that go back and forth,


Where is the evidence to back up this claim?


In Luc's video, link on page 6, post #84 I can clearly see the rotary motion of the driving arm. I see no side to side motion of the pivot point ether.


Confirmation that the top of the rod is circular motion is the obsevation, as shown in my video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dvSINRylk


that the angle of view in two views 90 degrees to each other is the same. If the rod was moving in a flat plane then the rod would move back and forth in one view and towards and away in a view 90 degrees to the first. I show this clearly on page 14, post #205 where the angle is nearly identical in the two views that are at 90 degrees to each other. The only logical explanation is the the top of the rod is moving in a circle.


William shows us how the device works at the point where he stops the lower weight and advances the upper weight, When he does this the lower weight rises. When he releases the upper weight the lower weigh falls and pulls the upper weight back into its rest position. In other words, when the machine is in operation loading the lower weight lifts, retards its position in relation to the upper weight and the weight is now wanting to fall to its lower position, thus outputting drive to the load.
Ron


i_ron






Here is a little sketch showing how the interaction of the two weights sets the lower rod inclination angle.


For example with no upper weight the lower weight would hold the drive plate out at a fixed position
in the circle at all times. However, with two weights, the automatic interaction sets the inclination angle
of the drive rod in direct proportion to the load, as it rotates in a circle.


Only at speed will centrifugal force cause this interaction, as at rest the natural inclination would be for the upper weight to collapse inward. So it is a balancing act to get the upper weight just right so that the resulting centrifugal force pulls the lower rod around. In Skinners build we see that the upper weight is a hollow piece of pipe to which can then be added varying amounts of lead shot or some other substance to achieve this goal.


The first sketch is thus with an inclination angle of zero.


EDIT: sorry I keep adding to this post, here is the latest...


I need to clarify "inclination angle", with the lower weight directly towards you. the rod is inclined 5.5 degrees towards you... but this is not what I was referring too. With the weigh held steady move the upper end of the rod either to the left or to the right in its circular path and the weight will rise, this is the inclination angle that I am referring too, Got it? so any angle that causes the weight to rise is the inclination angle.


So the second sketch is incorrect in that, that is the position of the upper end of the lower rod, the lower weight will be "some where else"


Ron

turbogt16v

the weights are in circle orbit but the driving top rod has best results driven in elipse,
but even in elipse you got the problem of output power ,
when you gain output the input gains  by far,
the problem is in setting the weights wright

d3x0r

Quote from: i_ron on July 05, 2014, 11:46:50 AM

Where is the evidence to back up this claim?

Ron
Ya I agree, but was only this morning that I noticed the secondary pivot point.
I see... the rod extends all the way from the rotating square plate to a circular path gear at the top even... so it's circular entirely.