Magdrive HHO Generators

[idnick]

  Know what ya mean allcanadian. I've been known to tilt a few myself 

I couldn't help but smile when I read your post    I think that if (we) nope, just you,had continued with this project you would have ended up with about 8 connecting rods that looked like horseshoes  .  And thats the not the worse part.
I just can't bring myself to dawning a fire suit (like they do in nascar) every time I crawl in my truck. 
Nope. I think (we), no, you were on the verge of creating a Hi-way Hindenburg!! 

Well back to the fridge for another Hamm's as well as back to the drawing board. 

Dave

[idnick]

Forgot to mention, allcanadian, that all the parts and pieces could be recycled 

That is, If you can find them 

Dave

[allcanadian]

Hey idnick and anyone else.

I have not built a hydroxy generator yet but am going to very soon, honestly has anyone had actual experience with this and seen an actual implosion? I mean tested it
A few sites said it reaches a certain pressure once ignited then implodes and releasing static charge, is this real? am I wasting my time?

[idnick]

Hi allcanadian

Yes I have built a generator 4 or 5 years ago and ran it off a battery charger. Biggest problem is the power supply. I ripped a couple of articles off the net for ya.
Sounds like the fellow in first article might have the answer. I don't belong to the group but it might be worth checking out if you are looking for a circuit.

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:)heres a more simpler to make faster power supply for getting faster hydroxy gas output. before i shock yous i was given this little messy looking pototype  flyback driver which allso has a bottle capacitor some time ago  all i had to do was make the small tesla coil which its ment to power, but i never had the matierial for the coil so i threw it in my projects draw, soon after that i decided to  salvage the  irfp460 trannys from it which was used in place of the originals trannys which was in the circiut allso found on the net , so i decided to try it on my hydroxy gas generator but it dident go so i made a small modification now it goes faster than my other power supply dose , i ran a wire from the inductor which was originally ment to go to the flyback transformer , to the  positive output and it worked great and made gas faster than my other one ,  and even though its ment to run off a car battery which i reckon youll get better reactions ,i ran it from one of my small 12 volts lead acid cell batteries and i left the top off my hydroxy gas generator and it went so fast i though it was gona over flow with the water in it and bubles and mist , i posted this circiut some time back in the high voltage stuff section so it should still be there


"Does Brown's Gas implode ?"


Among the "wonderful" properties of "Brown's Gas" is that when ignited it doesn't explode, it implodes. That is, the reaction product has a smaller volume than the initial gas mixture. Is this true? Is it remarkable? The answers to these two questions are "Not exactly" and "No." Brown's Gas is that you get if you electrolyze water and keep the resulting hydrogen and oxygen mixed together. Let me make two important comments at this point. One is that it would be extremely hazardous to store any large quantity of Brown's Gas, either at atmospheric pressure or in compressed form. A spark, or the presence of any material which catalyzes the hydrogen/oxygen reaction, will cause a devastating explosion. The second comment is that all the energy which comes from burning Brown's Gas was put into it by the electrical energy used to electrolyze the water. In a loose sense, since Brown's Gas could be used as fuel for an engine and, since Brown's Gas is made from water, one could say that one was running a car on water. However, the power driving the car is coming entirely from the electrical input, not from the water. A car "driven" by Brown's Gas would either have to carry a large tank of compressed gas (see my point one) or drag a long power cord behind it. If you had electrical power available you would be much, much better off driving the car with an electric motor than fooling around with a gas generator and a gas powered motor.
   So does Brown's Gas explode? Yes, of course it does. As it happens, in my foolhardy youth I once filled a polyethylene bag with a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen and lit it from a safe distance. It exploded very satisfactorily and made a very loud boom. Many of NASA's rockets, including the Space Shuttle, burn hydrogen and oxygen. If Brown's Gas always imploded, the rockets would be sucked into the ground.

What you may have seen, and I have seen, is some Brown's Gas being put into a cylinder and then being ignited. The piston in the cylinder is sucked in with a thump. However, if the piston was free to move outwards it would fly across the room. Brown's Gas would be great in spud guns. When ignited, Brown's Gas explodes, that is it burns rapidly, generating hot, high pressure gas, in this case, water vapor. Because it is inside a long, narrow, room temperature cylinder the water vapor rapidly condenses into liquid water, heating the cylinder as it does so. Since the water has much less volume than the hot vapor the pressure inside the cylinder drops suddenly, pulling in the piston. The cylinder heats up in the process, the heat energy from the burning Brown's Gas has to go somewhere. If the experiment were to be repeated, for example in a continuously operating engine, the cylinder would get hotter and hotter and eventually the internal pressure would blow it apart. So the answers are: Does Brown's Gas implode? No, Brown's Gas explodes like any other combustible gas mixture. Is this remarkable? No, except that in this case the combustion product, water, readily condenses to a liquid.

Dave

[allcanadian]

thanks for the info idnick
I found some pretty good web sites by searching Browns Gas Generator.
I think there are so many bizarre effects that I just have to build one of these things. Here is something i don't get--yet

electricity + water = HHO
HHO + ignition =  electricity + water  Or

HHO + ignition = suction + electricity + water
HHO + air + ignition= hot expansion + electricity + water

supposedly you can pull a perfect vacuum and recover 70% of the electrical charge you initially put into the gas. Or you can mix the gas with air and burn it against a piece of iron and get heat + electricity + water.
So if this is true you could produce a cooling effect (suction ) or a heating effect(pressure) and still get 70% ot the electricity back, as static charge I imagine.

As well it is said on most web sites that the gas burns at different temperatures with different metals and remediates radioactivity.
When I read this It becomes apparent that the gas reacts on the atomic level. Converting atomic mass to heat, I think my first test will be burning aluminum then tungsten in a bomb calorimeter, and measure the heat rise, then measure the mass of what left the sample.

This could be interesting, it's all fun until it blows up in my face.