T-(Shaped) Turbine, Which uses Centrifugal Force

[AB Hammer]

To continue on the comment of AB Hammer, yes the system has the same operating principle as a Centrifugal Pump System. Except for the fact the a Centrifugal Pump its impeller is normally fully submerged under water. (which creates a lot of resistance) In case of the T-(Shaped) Turbine Concept, about 98% of the System is running above the water, what's also a good thing in my opinion...

I feel a need to correct you on this. Sump pumps are under water and do not require priming for they self prime due to being under water. Well pumps are above the water and require priming and they need foot valves to keep from loosing prime. Both are centrifugal in design. I have worked with pumps from a young age, using them to supply water to the home or camp house.  Sump pumps tend to be used to get water out of unwanted places like basements for instant.  You will also need a foot Valve or you will need something like an  archimedes screw to be able to restart or you will have to re-prime at start up, each time you start up.  Most centrifugal pumps are above water and that is why priming is important. 

Don't get me wrong for I feel you are on a good path. I want to see you succeed. My help is from my experience from pumps to supply water to homes remove from basements and from the US Coast Guard which are all experienced fire fighters. Also as a Blacksmith/Armorer which works for construction of hand made machines from the past to today.  Not to mention 7 to 8 years of free energy approaches. If you have any questions? You can also PM to me if you don't want it on open forum. My help is yours as long as it doesn't get into my own personal projects of course. I am well in my 50s now days.

Almost forgot to say I also have a lot of experience repairing vacuum  cleaners and was service manager for Rainbow for the state of Arkansas which is a water filtration/capture vacuum cleaner. Yes understanding a vacuum is also important.

Alan       

[Overunityguide]

I feel a need to correct you on this. Sump pumps are under water and do not require priming for they self prime due to being under water. Well pumps are above the water and require priming and they need foot valves to keep from loosing prime. Both are centrifugal in design. I have worked with pumps from a young age, using them to supply water to the home or camp house.  Sump pumps tend to be used to get water out of unwanted places like basements for instant.  You will also need a foot Valve or you will need something like an  archimedes screw to be able to restart or you will have to re-prime at start up, each time you start up.  Most centrifugal pumps are above water and that is why priming is important. 

@ AB Hammer,

You sound like an experienced man

I know about Sump and Well pumps, and I know that Sump Pumps are being submerged into water from the start. I also know that there is no priming needed for the Sump Pump to start and that on the opposite there is priming needed for a Well Pump to operate well. But that is not what I meant. I meant that every impeller from every centrifugal pump rotates inside a casing full of water. (Regardless of being a Sump/Well Pump) Most of the T-(Shaped) its rotating parts are not running inside of a casing full of water, but runs in the open air instead. (With less resistance in my opinion)

Placing a Foot Valve on the T-(Shaped) Water Inlet is a good idea of course. So that it needs to be primed only once...

And thanks for the offer on helping out on this subject. I guess that replication is the key to success, so replicating the prototypes can help a lot in my opinion. (The Scientific World also works with Peer to Peer Reviews...) If everyone (as a result of replicating) comes to the same conclusions, something really nice can come out of it I think...

[vineet_kiran]

I meant that every impeller from every centrifugal pump rotates inside a casing full of water. (Regardless of being a Sump/Well Pump) Most of the T-(Shaped) its rotating parts are not running inside of a casing full of water, but runs in the open air instead. (With less resistance in my opinion)

@overunityguide


I think you are right.


In a centrifugal pump,  the impeller developes centrifugal force which in turn pushes the water out to required head.  In that case when water is pushed out,  it (water) should exert equal force on impeller by reaction which follows directly from Newton's third law which in turn exerts force on prime mover sucking energy from prime mover, thereby conserving energy.

But in your 'T' shaped turbine, water molecules (mass of water) themselves attain centrifugal force in the absence of impeller.  The reaction force here will be centripetal force which is directed towards center and this force cannot act tangentially  on the 'T' to slow it down.  Hence you are eliminating the effect of reaction force.  Eliminating reaction force will definitely lead to overunity. The input energy you have to supply is to only overcome friction and any other losses which will be negligible.  Theoritically friction can be made zero. 

I had posted the following experiment based on the same principle.  Please have a look  and your thoughts :

http://overunity.com/12063/capillary-force-pump/


It is downloaded 1461 times. Don't know whether anybody has tried it.

[Overunityguide]

I had posted the following experiment based on the same principle.  Please have a look  and your thoughts :

http://overunity.com/12063/capillary-force-pump/

It is downloaded 1461 times. Don't know whether anybody has tried it.

Hi vineet,

Thanks for sharing your idea. Theoretically I think it could work. (just like you are saying in the document: 'only of theoretical interest and not of any practical use')
But for a practical application, more water needs to be moved around I guess. (compared to what can be done by capillary tubes only)

So I guess we need to stick with some good old fashioned Priming...
After all, when the system is primed and it is up to speed, the priming action can be stopped. Because of this, it is only an initial investment.
 
Regards, OUG.

[Overunityguide]

For a good background reading on the Hydro-Power Calculation method used, I wanted to share the following link:
http://hydro-bpt.bangor.ac.uk/hydropower.php.en