Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[MarkE]

Hi MarkE. Right, this I do understand, but I would think a 180 phase shift on the current should not be possible with a passive circuit
(should not go beyond -90 to 90 degrees), hence my wondering how this can be. It seems it does imply that the passive circuit
is generating power, which, again, should not be. As far as connection of the probes and settings on the probes and scope,
everything checks out as being set correctly. I will continue investigating and see what I can figure out.
All the best...

The obvious explanation is that your probe relationships to the circuit are not what you think that they are.  Please hurry up and post pictures before the dreaded men in black vans show up.

[TinselKoala]

This video, which I've posted before,  may be of interest. It does not show voltage and current in a single branch, instead it is showing the voltage across each of the "partnered coils" in my EMJ testbed. I'm wondering if there is also a similar frequency dependence in Void's system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOMqlamVHk

It's also interesting that Void's scope computes the phase difference as -357.6 degrees, rather than 180.

[MarkE]

This video, which I've posted before,  may be of interest. It does not show voltage and current in a single branch, instead it is showing the voltage across each of the "partnered coils" in my EMJ testbed. I'm wondering if there is also a similar frequency dependence in Void's system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOMqlamVHk

It's also interesting that Void's scope computes the phase difference as -357.6 degrees, rather than 180.

It could be, but then that would mean that void is not measuring his voltage across the same branch that he is measuring his current through, and/or he has other measurement problems.  I ahve not seen any pictures or schematics of his test set-up.

[Void]

It could be, but then that would mean that void is not measuring his voltage across the same branch that he is measuring his current through, and/or he has other measurement problems.  I ahve not seen any pictures or schematics of his test set-up.

The measurement of the transformer input current and voltage is exactly the same as I have shown
in my previous couple of postings here in this thread, showing scope measurements on transformers. The voltage
and current are being measured on the same 'branch'. This is why it is odd. I don't really trust the measured phase
shift here however, even though that is what the scope is measuring. I have seen these sort of very odd phase shifts a number
of times in the past with both ferrite and air core transformers, and still haven't figured this out fully. In some cases it
is fields from wires and windings getting into the scope probe and leads and altering the phase shift, but I know
how to test for that, and that does not seem to be the case here.

I have some ideas of why this strange phase shift can otherwise sometimes occur , but I am still not sure so still need
to do a lot more testing to see if I can confirm. It seems at higher frequencies transformers may not always act exactly the
same way they do at lower frequencies, depending on various factors/variables, and at higher frequencies RF currents may
possibly get diverted in unusual ways and introduce unexpected results. You may get unusual interactions between windings
and the ferrite itself and connecting wires etc., which may introduce unexpected phase shifts. Basically when I see very strange
phase shifts like this, I don't trust them, even though the phase angle measured by the scope is very stable. 330kHz is not really
all that high in frequency, but apparently still high enough that unusual interactions between circuit components may well be occurring.
The fact that the power delivered to the load is very small, does indicate to me that the measured phase most probably is
just not to be trusted here. It really only takes a very small input current (approx. 140uA) at about 10Vp to input 1mW power.

@TK, the automatic phase measurement on my scope is not very good even under much more ideal measurement conditions
with much higher signal levels and very stable and clean sine waves, with little to no noise. With low level signals such as the
current waveform is in this case, and with noise on the current waveform, the scope's auto phase measurement is jumping all
over the place. Sometimes it was jumping to around 180, but it was jumping around quite a bit. I don't usually pay much attention   
to the auto phase measurement on my scope for that reason.

All the best...

[MarkE]

I went back three weeks and didn't find any pictures of the set-up that would help diagnose what you are seeing.  If you want to post pictures then we can see.  Your currents appear to be quite small:  100uA ish.  In light of that you might want to increase the value of your CSR into the 100 Ohm or even 1K Ohm range.  If the current sense burden voltage is less than 1% of your branch voltage then the burden voltage is going to be the least of your error sources.