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[tinman]

I am going to have to agree here, Poynt99 is right.

Do the experiment!

Look for the B Field outside the core in an operating conventional transformer! In ideal conditions with a decent hall probe not the rubbish ones, there should be much less than 1%...

It also seems everyone keeps forgetting that B and E are both the same thing when one changes in Time!!!

E is Orthogonal (At Right Angles to) B

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

No,i havnt forgotten,and this is exactly what im saying-there exist a B field with any time varying E field.

P.S: for a while, forget the odd NON-Conventional, start at the start, look at simple Induction as it already stands and is well known...

Yes-lets go back to basic's.

If we have a stationary electric field(not varying with time),then there is no associated magnetic field,and if we have a stationary magnetic field,then there is no E field associated with that magnetic field. So now we take an air core coil and a permanent magnet,and we move that magnet across the face of that stationary coil,and an EMF is produced across that coil. This could be the E field that induces that EMF,as the magnetic field of the PM is moving,and so we have an E field. But now keep the permanent magnet still so as there is no E field,and move the coil across the face of the magnet. Even though there is now no E field(as the magnetic field is not moving with time)there is still an induced EMF across the coil. So with this experiment there was only one field that was present in both test,and in both test an EMF was produced across that coil.

[EMJunkie]

No,i havnt forgotten,and this is exactly what im saying-there exist a B field with any time varying E field.


Yes-lets go back to basic's.

If we have a stationary electric field(not varying with time),then there is no associated magnetic field,and if we have a stationary magnetic field,then there is no E field associated with that magnetic field. So now we take an air core coil and a permanent magnet,and we move that magnet across the face of that stationary coil,and an EMF is produced across that coil. This could be the E field that induces that EMF,as the magnetic field of the PM is moving,and so we have an E field. But now keep the permanent magnet still so as there is no E field,and move the coil across the face of the magnet. Even though there is now no E field(as the magnetic field is not moving with time)there is still an induced EMF across the coil. So with this experiment there was only one field that was present in both test,and in both test an EMF was produced across that coil.

Brad, this is classic "Chicken or the Egg..."

There is two types of induction, we have already covered that...

A Conductor Cutting the Magnetic Field at 90 Degrees is one type of Induction... This is not Conventional Transformer Induction...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[EMJunkie]

@Brad - Do you know about the Barkhausen Effect?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[EMJunkie]

Maybe it's time to have another look at what field it is that actually is inducing the EMF/current flow in the secondary of a transformer.

I have built a toroid transformer with an inner core and winding before,but as i used a ferrite core as the inner core,and steel putty as the outer core,it was said that the inner secondary was putting out more power than the outer winding because the inner core had a higher permeability. So this time,both the inner and outer cores were made from the same cast iron powder mix-so as to keep the permeability the same value throughout the core body.

Specs on the transformer.
The turn ratio of the primary and two secondaries is 1:1:1-->all are 70 turns each. The inner secondary of course uses less wire,in fact,about half that of the two outer windings<-- see pic for details on amounts.
The primary and outer secondary were wound on together.
The inner core was wound,and then a rap of teflon tape was wound around the windings for protection. 1/2 of the outer core was poured into the mold,and the inner core and winding was set into the !still soft! outer core material. The remaining outer core material was then poured on top to form the rest of the outer core. The casting mix was made quite dry-just enough resin to make it pliable. this was then vacuum bagged to remove all air pockets in the casting.

This experimental transformer performs exactly as the first one did i built some time back with the ferrite inner core,and steel putty outer core. So for this reason i have to eliminate the thought that that transformer was performing the way it was due to the higher permeability of the inner core.

The reason for this design is as follows.
As stated and depicted by Poynt(and others),the E field is strongest at and around the outer edge of the transformer core,while the magnetic field/flux is contained within the core. So one would think if it is the E field that is inducing the EMF/current(when loaded) flow through the secondary,then the outer secondary that is wound alongside the primary would have a stronger coupling to the primary,and produce more power than that of the inner winding <--which dont forget,has about half the amount of wire also. But as can be seen by the picture and scope shot's below,that is not the case at all. In fact,the inner winding that has half the amount of wire,and about 1/3rd the cubic area of that of the outer secondary,puts out about twice the power of that of the outer secondary.

So this begs the question-->how can it be the E field that is inducing the secondaries,when the inner secondary that has less wire,a smaller cubic area,and is in a weaker E field than that of the outer secondary,but is producing more power out for the given power in than that of the outer secondary.

Something to think about.
The inner secondary is immersed in the magnetic field that is contained within the core(apparently),while the outer secondary is not(apparently)
You will also note that the inner secondary is under load by way of the LED being brightly lit,and the outer secondary has no load yet,as the LED is not lit.

The two scope shots below
Scope shot 1-is across the two secondaries. Yellow trace is across the outer secondary,and blue trace is across the inner secondary.
Scope shot two-same as 1,but with the scope probes on the output side of the FWBRs.

This is an excellent experiment Brad!!!

But I must say, if I understand the way you have this configured, Coils and Cores, then, the Magnetisation of the inner Core will be much higher than that of the outer core, so there should be less emf on the outer coil compared to the inner Coil.

As the Domains flip (You can hear the domains flip, or align with the magnetic Field) then this change in time is an indication of the moving E-Field with the Magnetisation...

This is the Barkhausen Effect. (You can hear the domains flip)

As you will already know, this process is called Hysteresis in Transformer Theory, the BH Curve or Hysteresis, is a Core dependent Magnetic Effect!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org 

[tinman]

Brad, this is classic "Chicken or the Egg..."

There is two types of induction, we have already covered that...

A Conductor Cutting the Magnetic Field at 90 Degrees is one type of Induction... This is not Conventional Transformer Induction...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

To answer that-the egg came before the chicken-->this is a fact.