Gravity powered water generator

[Low-Q]

@Brutus


Calculate the energy output of a perfectly balanced system.
Yes, you said it yourself. You got a perfectly balanced system.


The story about the assumingly working gravityplant is not true.
Just face it. It will not work.


Vidar

[Low-Q]

Cogging is just a result of uneven distribution of forces. Cogging or not does not change the final outcome.


Vidar

[Brutus]

To All :  I do appreciate your impute and I have tried to apply it.  So instead of starting a new posting idea I have decided to let you see it and tell me if it is just as bad as the last one. 
I utilize the same water generator idea but with a twist.  I drew it up to be as simple to follow as I can.  I am sure between your accumulated knowledge base this is probably a no brainer.  (No pun  intended.)  So here goes;

The process is using water buckets filled at the top of gear one and drives the conveyor which will resemble Scan #10 on reply # 7.  This will accommodate the turns required in the conveyors path.  The buckets already full of water as they enter the tank will cause minimal slowing. 
The buckets then travel past gear two on toward gear three which will then turn upward where it will be filled with air, displacing the water.  That will cause the buckets to gain a pull power of their own. 

The buckets then travel up to and over gear four which will release the air into air pocket at the top of the tank.  And so travel back down after filling up again with water. 

On the side of the tank I have fitted an air pipe from the air pocket at the top of the tank and installed the other end into the bottom of the tank which I am hoping will fill the buckets with air at junction of gear three from the pressure.

My question to all of you is,   will this maintain a constant and stable air supply?  The air stays in the tank and not released anywhere as far as I can tell.  Maybe a minute amount one way or another from the buckets coming and going?

I have put a direct tube from the tank just under the water line to flow out to fill the buckets.  The water inside the buckets as they travel to gear three are full of water so that it releases into the tank to replenish the tank again.  Maybe a better placement to assure this?  Farther up maybe?   The conveyor gear placement is negotiable like for shorter distances to points traveled or taller overall for more travel time. 

The air pressure at the top of the tank should keep the water at a constant height, Yes?

I forgot to mention at the start there are two parts to the tank if it is not obvious.  The base goes all the way from wall to wall.  Then you have a second section which is basically inserted into the main tank like an upside down glass into a bucket.  The center wall goes under the main water height to allow the tall tank to hold the water.  You all know of this fact.  I just need your feed back as to the functionality  of this idea. 

It seems I would be gaining more power from this idea than just the buckets coming down would offer. 

[citfta]

Sorry again but it can't work.  The water pressure at the bottom of the tank will force the water back up the tube instead of letting the air flow out to fill the buckets.  Also air will flow into the tube that is supposed to be filling the buckets and this will then let the water in the higher side flow over to the other side and out onto the floor.

Get a container of water and a plastic disposable cup.  Fill the cup completely full of water and then with the open end down raise it until most of the cup is above the water level.  Now poke a small hole in the cup down from the top a little.  Watch what happens.  Did water flow out of the hole?  Did air go into the hole and water ran out the open end of the cup?

I admire you wanting to do something and you have some original ideas but you really need to get an education in basic physics.  I am sure there are some online classes you could take to help you.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[Brutus]

citfta:   Your right.    I knew most of your points.  And great analysis.   I just thought that with enough air pressure at the top it would maintain my idea.  I can see that the pressure is much larger at the bottom than the top so it can't work this way.  I remember now that water will always seek a perfect level.   That would just fill the pipe to the exact level as in the tank.   I will have to use an outside source for an air supply.    I would also have to install a pressure gauge/ outlet/inlet device  to maintain the same pressure so the water does not  lower to the bucket fill pipe.  I knew that would be catastrophic.  I am testing a plastic bottle with straws to see about the water flow pipe.  Will get back with you.  I am waiting for the glue to dry. I know it will suck air in and lower the water level back into the lower tank if it is allowed to reach the air pocket.  I may have to put in a small pump to push the water through and not use an open hole application.   It is cheaper energy if I use the water up high than to use the water down below and bring it up to fill the buckets as in my other design.   
    I am just  debating if I am drawing the water out at the top of the tall tank, if more water will come in to replace it and remain at the same level if the air in the tank remains the same.  I think so.  That's the balancing act I am looking for. 
     How about a  small air pump sucking out the top air in tank and forcing it down into the side air pipe. for filling the buckets.  Then the water would not fill the pipe.  And the air would return to the top in the buckets and so keeping my initial pressure and level still in the tank.  Using a ball stop I could keep the flow going one way.   And, would all this cost me to much in used energy to justify the build? 
Some things to ponder.
   I am thinking I would be saving a lot with a pump to fill the buckets if it were stationed at the top so I would not have to pull so much so far.  As, in thx1138's tank  pump  idea.   Basically, just cut it from the top few inches.  And with the air flow giving more power I think this idea just bumped up My last generator idea.  (Course all of you may feel differently).  Thank you for the help anyway.