TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"

[tinman]

Most people don't realize that during normal electrolysis with just a few volts and a strong electrolyte, the water molecule splits because the electric field at the electrodes is in the order of millions of volts per meter. It can reach 100 million V/m. A strong electrolyte with a small inter electrode distance conduct the current very effectively with very low IxR losses, minimizing heating. The voltage drop thus  occurs mostly across the Helmholtz electric double layer which is nanometers thick, hence the great field. 

I have to strongly disagree  with that,and my results from previous  experiments back up my disagreement with your statement  about low voltages,and high currents.

No matter what,the higher the current,and lower the voltage-the greater the loss by way of waste heat.

What i am saying is this-
If i add enough electrolyte to my water,so as to have 2.2v @4.5 amps per cell section,in my multi plate cell,i produce say 1 liter of gas a minute,and after 10 minutes,my water temperature is 42*C

If i use straight tap water, and have 22v at 450mA per cell section,in my multy plate cell,and i produce 1.2 liters of hho per minute,and my water temperature after 10 minutes is only 23*C, then it is obvious that a higher voltage at a lower current,is far more efficient than high current brute force hho production.


Brad

[pomodoro]

Brad, if you can show a beaker with  only  tap water, 20 or so volts  and only 400mA visually produce the same quantity of gas at the electrodes  as a beaker with sodium hydroxide electrolyte ,   4 amps  and just a few volts then you already have a system waaaay over Faraday!!!!.

After all its the current that counts according to Faraday, and the electrolyte beaker should be making ten times the gas. But do make sure the electrodes are of the same dimensions and the supply is pure DC only! Any AC or pulsed DC must be measured with oscilloscopes to get the correct average current flows.

The info I posted is from the book "Electrochemical Methods,  Fundamentals and Applications by A.J. Bard and L.R. Faulkner.

if you can show just that, and its easily replicated, then Sir, you are really onto something big.

[tinman]

After all its the current that counts according to Faraday, and the electrolyte beaker should be making ten times the gas. But do make sure the electrodes are of the same dimensions and the supply is pure DC only! Any AC or pulsed DC must be measured with oscilloscopes to get the correct average current flows.

The info I posted is from the book "Electrochemical Methods,  Fundamentals and Applications by A.J. Bard and L.R. Faulkner.

if you can show just that, and its easily replicated, then Sir, you are really onto something big.

Brad, if you can show a beaker with  only  tap water, 20 or so volts  and only 400mA visually produce the same quantity of gas at the electrodes  as a beaker with sodium hydroxide electrolyte ,   4 amps  and just a few volts then you already have a system waaaay over Faraday!!!!.

Im not sure how you worked that out?.
20v @ 400mA=8 watts
2v @ 4 amps=8 watts

Same power value,but where as the current is lower in one,then the waste heat is also lower,and so more energy is directed at producing gas.


Brad

[pomodoro]

Its Faraday's law. Only the current is responsible for the amount of gas produced. That's why 4 amps makes 10 times the gas that 0.4 makes regardless of the voltage required to pass the current. Try it out side by side 4A in a strong electrolyte vs 0.4 in tap water.

[barbosi]

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