TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"

[tinman]

@TinMan

It's been a while. Hope you are keeping well.

About your set-up running at 60Hz, look, maybe you can try this side test.

With your set-up the way it is, find yourself a step down transformer. Connect the lower voltage side in series with negative that is coming from the rectifier to your stack. See the gas output volume. Then add a bulb as load on the high voltage side of the step down transformer. Then try the same thing in series on the positive side of the rectifier. Then if you want you can try it both ways with the higher side of the step down transformer in series.

See if there is an increase in gas production in one or more of those ways.

I'll leave it at that. Keep well.

wattsup

Wattsup

That is not the point to the setup.
The thing we want to do here,is create a high voltage DC offset AC wave form,and when the secondary short's via the spark gap,this sends a very high burst of current into the cell. This in turn raises the voltage across the cell to a high value.

You can place a hammer on a nail,and push on the hammer all you like,and chances are,you will not drive the nail into the timber. Yet,if you hit the nail with short sharp blow's from the hammer,the nail will be driven into the timber.


Brad

[Dog-One]

Brad,

I like this project of yours a lot, I really do.

Just curious, are you basing your idea in any way on the supposed Stan Meyer Technology, or is this just an idea you came up with (having seen hundreds of thousands of other crazy ideas over the years) ?

I've been studying Meyer's work pretty intensely as of late and I see quite a few similarities, just expressed differently.  I've even been working with a guy out of Tennessee that feels as though he has replicated Meyer's VIC & WFC.  He makes a fair amount of gas at 50mA @ 12v and claims this gas is actually more powerful than typical HHO.  I can't say one way or another about that, I don't have the facts, just his words.  Been trying to walk in his footsteps and see if I can do myself what he has done.  So far it's been a bit of a conundrum--some concepts seem easy and others start to get real complex, real fast.  The fundamental idea behind what Meyer supposedly did is simple--you switch off the molecular bonds that hold the water molecule together and it just naturally falls apart.  There's no brute force involved whatsoever.  But to get there, you have to transition through various states that configure the water molecules in such a fashion where they will come apart without force.  That's the tricky part.  You need just the right amount of overlap between states and the electronics have to be designed and tuned to do this.  If you mess any part of this up, it's a no go.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging along, but I'll certainly be watching how your project pans out.  I like simple and if you have a method for simple that will run a small engine that turns a generator and produces enough output to drive the portion of your system that makes the fuel, that's the ticket right there.  No need to go any further.

Good luck Brad.  I'm pulling for you.


M@

[wattsup]

Wattsup

That is not the point to the setup.
The thing we want to do here,is create a high voltage DC offset AC wave form,and when the secondary short's via the spark gap,this sends a very high burst of current into the cell. This in turn raises the voltage across the cell to a high value.

You can place a hammer on a nail,and push on the hammer all you like,and chances are,you will not drive the nail into the timber. Yet,if you hit the nail with short sharp blow's from the hammer,the nail will be driven into the timber.

Brad

@TinMan

Just saw in your video working at mains 60Hz to your step down then rectified. So on that particular set-up following my previous post would take 5 minutes and you will see if gas is better then your .5 or .75 lpm. A good step down transformer would do.

Could say more but details would be boring.

wattsup

[tinman]

@TinMan

Just saw in your video working at mains 60Hz to your step down then rectified. So on that particular set-up following my previous post would take 5 minutes and you will see if gas is better then your .5 or .75 lpm. A good step down transformer would do.

Could say more but details would be boring.

wattsup

Well we could safely assume that the outcome would be better with the bulb attached to the secondary,as the impedance of the primary would be reduced when the secondary is loaded,due to a decrease in inductance value of the primary.

I would expect no better gas production with a transformer in series with the rectified output and cell,but i will give it a try along the way.


Brad

[tinman]

Brad,

I like this project of yours a lot, I really do.

Just curious, are you basing your idea in any way on the supposed Stan Meyer Technology, or is this just an idea you came up with (having seen hundreds of thousands of other crazy ideas over the years) ?

I've been studying Meyer's work pretty intensely as of late and I see quite a few similarities, just expressed differently.  I've even been working with a guy out of Tennessee that feels as though he has replicated Meyer's VIC & WFC.  He makes a fair amount of gas at 50mA @ 12v and claims this gas is actually more powerful than typical HHO.  I can't say one way or another about that, I don't have the facts, just his words.  Been trying to walk in his footsteps and see if I can do myself what he has done.  So far it's been a bit of a conundrum--some concepts seem easy and others start to get real complex, real fast.  The fundamental idea behind what Meyer supposedly did is simple--you switch off the molecular bonds that hold the water molecule together and it just naturally falls apart.  There's no brute force involved whatsoever.  But to get there, you have to transition through various states that configure the water molecules in such a fashion where they will come apart without force.  That's the tricky part.  You need just the right amount of overlap between states and the electronics have to be designed and tuned to do this.  If you mess any part of this up, it's a no go.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging along, but I'll certainly be watching how your project pans out.  I like simple and if you have a method for simple that will run a small engine that turns a generator and produces enough output to drive the portion of your system that makes the fuel, that's the ticket right there.  No need to go any further.

Good luck Brad.  I'm pulling for you.


M@

Hi Dog-One

I guess it is much the same.
I like to think of it as !cutting! the bond,as apposed to tearing it apart,as you do with brute force systems.

The water molecule is much like a rubber band,and brute force HHO is like trying to stretch that rubber band until it break's. Here we place a slight tension on the rubber band,then take a sharp blade and cut through it.

See the water as a fast blow fuse,where that fuse may be able to pass a lot of current through it,and where you keep winding up the current until that fuse blow's,or you pass very little current through it,and hit it with one large short current pulse,and that fuse blow's.


Brad