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Overunity Machines Forum



RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.

Started by seychelles, December 18, 2021, 10:54:04 AM

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Floor

From the charts (above)

Peak forces are at a ratio of 
984 grams as force (2 magnets) to 800 grams as force (1 magnet).

peak forces ratios 984 / 800 =  1.23  to 1

kinetic energies over the course of the 90mm of displacements are at a ratio of 
38893 (2 magnets) to  26250 (1 magnet).

actual kinetic energy of the forces ratio 38893 / 26250 =  1.148 to 1

peak to peak 1.23  to 1   and  actual energy 1.148 to 1

This is the reason for measuring the force changes over the distances
and not simply the peak forces of the Tinman design.

The charts show (in part) the process.

sm0ky2

How re you how are your measurements taken?


Are you measuring linear force?
Arc radius?


From a tangent? Or just arbitrarily selected measuring point?


Distance from center of rotation?
Or torque at the axle?


These details make a huge difference in how the mathematics are applied
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

Floor

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 03, 2022, 04:26:57 PM
How re you how are your measurements taken?


Are you measuring linear force?
Arc radius?


From a tangent? Or just arbitrarily selected measuring point?


Distance from center of rotation?
Or torque at the axle?


These details make a huge difference in how the mathematics are applied

All this is allready given in the topic.

     EDIT
I came back to edit this post and got ...


Floor

                   other wise
My point being..

Peak force measurements of the tinman design are the only things that had
other wise been presented and / or discussed in this topic.

         Why are   only    peak forces presented ?
Because many have overlooked, that the application of a
different measurement process is necessary in order have any
idea if there is inherently, a desirable energy difference, right out
the gate ?  I'm guessing.

The difference between the ratios of the peak forces only,
              and
the ratios of the work done throughout the course of the travel
of the interacting magnets are typically very different.

Example 1
given in the above charts.

Example 2
in the twist drive interactions the difference is thus...

Peak forces are 133 grams to 115 grams  or 1.156 to 1
            while..
The actual kinetic energy difference during the entire course of the
magnet travels is > 2 to 1.
                    also
How does one proceed, in order to do these kinds of measurements ?
             The charts above, to some degree illuminate that process.

                  That's what I am up to.

When my neo. magnets arrive, I can do / walk through the process of
measuring around a fly wheel (forces / total energy causing rotation).

   best wishes
           floor
EDIT
             P.S.
             The neo. magnets just arrived !

Floor

More observations and a couple of ideas.