Talking about phase...

[Bruce_TPU]

Hello Bob,

S.M. talked about counter rotational fields in his TPU.  Of course, his mechanics are slightly different from yours.  He had his collectors wrapped around the circumference of the toroid.  He had three of them.  Into each of these he placed primary frequency into the first, harmonic into the second and then the third freq. into the third collector.  I also believe he had three segments, that he called control wires and you call phase windings.  His collectors were stranded lamp chord (two conductor).  It vibrated at 7.3 Hz. when operating.

Based on you experience and knowledge, does it sound like perhaps he used a 7.3 Hz phase in the three control wire segments for the RMF, used a DC Bias in one of the two conductors of the collectors and placed the frequencies in the other collector conductors.  Both the frequencies and this DC bias would be rotating in the opposite direction of the RMF established by the phases.  What are your thoughts on this, and this part of the SM device?  Have you had any success with other configurations of your mechanics?

Thank you,
Bruce

[gn0stik]

Hello Bob,

S.M. talked about counter rotational fields in his TPU.  Of course, his mechanics are slightly different from yours.  He had his collectors wrapped around the circumference of the toroid.  He had three of them.  Into each of these he placed primary frequency into the first, harmonic into the second and then the third freq. into the third collector.  I also believe he had three segments, that he called control wires and you call phase windings.  His collectors were stranded lamp chord (two conductor).  It vibrated at 7.3 Hz. when operating.

Based on you experience and knowledge, does it sound like perhaps he used a 7.3 Hz phase in the three control wire segments for the RMF, used a DC Bias in one of the two conductors of the collectors and placed the frequencies in the other collector conductors.  Both the frequencies and this DC bias would be rotating in the opposite direction of the RMF established by the phases.  What are your thoughts on this, and this part of the SM device?  Have you had any success with other configurations of your mechanics?

Thank you,
Bruce

Let me take a stab at this, in that video, the 7.3 hz he speaks about is the physical vibration of the unit. He's talking about the inertial effect. Of course, we don't have enough information from SM directly to determine the cause of the inertial effect or why it happens at that frequency, so we have to do some interpretation. Marco did some experiments a while back he called his "dancing magnets" experiments. In some he had a small toroidal transformer which he pulsed with a square wave at a decent amplitude in the direct vicinity of some ring magnets that he got from some pc speakers. At very close to that frequency, the magnets began to dance violently. It was 7.83hz to be exact. He stepped through the frequencies and watched the effect rise and fall in relation to them. Marco said that the effect also worked with sine waves, but was far more pronounced with square waves(dc pulses). In marco's experiments the coil was fixed and the magnets were free to move, however if the magnets had been fixed and the coil free to move, it would have been the coil vibrating. So what can we determine from this? Either the coil is interacting, at that specific frequency, directly with a local magnetic field, from a magnet, or perhaps the earth's field. SM's coils are much larger of course, so could be much more sensitive to a weak local field. Magnetometers are obviously sensitive enough, since that is what they are designed to do. Now, how is SM's device producing this frequency? Is it a resultant beat frequency? Is he actually feeding the device with this frequency? Nobody knows. There is another problem here, that is what Marco's experiments would imply. Contrary to currently accepted physics, this would imply that Magnetism itself, has a frequency component. This in turn would imply that magnetism is an energy (not a force), and part of the em spectrum, independent of, but tied to electricity. Unfortunately, Marco did not perform these experiments with larger magnets to see if it was resonating with the mass of the object, rather than the magnetism, at least not to my recollection. However, I still believe that it was probably the single most important experiment anyone has done since all this started.

As to the other parts of your post. I don't recall SM saying counter-rotating fields, so I cannot comment on that. He did say rotate a ball in two directions at the same time. See GK's avatar for the currently accepted idea as to what SM meant by this. Imagine those balls moving at different speeds and what that would do to those collisions the resultant direction of rotation of field would be such that it moves in one direction. Now consider the polarity of those pulses, and what happens when you put a positive and negative together at the same point in a wire. Now think of the "jumper cable" experiment. SM's first suggestion of how to see the kick.

Also your interpretation of the operation and construction are off a bit, or your terminology is. From everything that is posted by SM through mannix, it can be easily ascertained the that collectors in SM's device are not directly fed a frequency, or a harmonic. However it can be said that this is where the frequencies combine. This would be where the resultant beat frequency would come in. This is where the vibration would come from. Also, in Bob's device, the longitudinal bias winding would be analogous to the collector, and the transverse controls are analogous the phase windings. In Mag-Amp theory, the transverse windings are called control windings. And that's what these devices are in operation. Very special Mag amps. The biggest difference between Bob's device, and Stevens, is the addition of a core in Bob's. However, if we go back and look at all of SM's devices, we can see that it's quite possible that some of his smaller units used core's as Bob's device does. And we all know Bob's story about his air-core unit, and how it induced a lightning strike that injured him. That sounds very familiar. The other big difference is that Bob's output is via his secondary, which would be analogous to SM's secondary control, that is all encompassing. However the arrangment is different so this can be a simple logical transformation, or, we could be misinterpreting those build instructions from SM.

I'm not sure what you mean, by "7.3hz phase" Phase is phase, it's the relationship between the peaks and valleys in two different signals. Usually indicated by degrees. Also the rotating bias thing kinda confused me a bit. The dc bias does not "rotate", however it would be perturbed by the rotating fields being generated around it. "Squeezed" so to speak. That might sound familiar as well.

Rich

[tao]

Let me take a stab at this, in that video, the 7.3 hz he speaks about is the physical vibration of the unit. He's talking about the inertial effect. Of course, we don't have enough information from SM directly to determine the cause of the inertial effect or why it happens at that frequency, so we have to do some interpretation. Marco did some experiments a while back he called his "dancing magnets" experiments. In some he had a small toroidal transformer which he pulsed with a square wave at a decent amplitude in the direct vicinity of some ring magnets that he got from some pc speakers. At very close to that frequency, the magnets began to dance violently. It was 7.83hz to be exact. He stepped through the frequencies and watched the effect rise and fall in relation to them. Marco said that the effect also worked with sine waves, but was far more pronounced with square waves(dc pulses). In marco's experiments the coil was fixed and the magnets were free to move, however if the magnets had been fixed and the coil free to move, it would have been the coil vibrating. So what can we determine from this? Either the coil is interacting, at that specific frequency, directly with a local magnetic field, from a magnet, or perhaps the earth's field. SM's coils are much larger of course, so could be much more sensitive to a weak local field. Magnetometers are obviously sensitive enough, since that is what they are designed to do. Now, how is SM's device producing this frequency? Is it a resultant beat frequency? Is he actually feeding the device with this frequency? Nobody knows. There is another problem here, that is what Marco's experiments would imply. Contrary to currently accepted physics, this would imply that Magnetism itself, has a frequency component. This in turn would imply that magnetism is an energy (not a force), and part of the em spectrum, independent of, but tied to electricity. Unfortunately, Marco did not perform these experiments with larger magnets to see if it was resonating with the mass of the object, rather than the magnetism, at least not to my recollection. However, I still believe that it was probably the single most important experiment anyone has done since all this started.

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Rich

About your whole post Rich,  I agree 100%.

In addition, Marco's dancing magnets and even his 7.8Hz magnet motor that he had made, very impressive stuff, and I don't just mean because it LOOKS cool, lol.

Listen folks, in all of our searches for OU, the one constant thing we should all be looking for is ASYMMETRY, for it provides a basis for all OU devices' 'mechanisms of energy gain'. We should strive to recognize and look for instances where we can find such asymmetries, for these are 'sign-posts' on our way to finding viable OU devices.

Let me give you a 'for instance' in regard to asymmetry so you know what I am talking about, I will use Marco's dancing magnets as an example.

You can clearly see in Marco's dancing magnets experiment that at 1Hz, the magnet's are hardly moving, but as Marco approaches 7.83Hz the magnet's start violently moving about, hence we are seeing an INCREASE IN MOVEMENT(ENERGY OUTPUT). Now, what isn't shown in the video explicitly is that for each of those frequencies at which Marco is doing the pulsing, THE INPUT ENERGY to his kick coil IS THE SAME.

So, we SEE a STEADY INPUT POWER, and an INCREASING ENERGY OUTPUT(in the form of more magnet movement). The ratio of input power to output power is changing as Marco changes the frequencies. That is called an asymmetry!

So, two questions you know have to ask yourself, after finding any asymmetry, is:
How can we MAXIMIZE this asymmetry?
and
Once we do maximize it, will the output energy ever exceed the input energy?

This applies to all OU devices...


PS - The above was not written as an effort to 'talk down to' or belittle anyone here, I merely wrote it for those in the majority that might not know exactly how to go about looking for or qualifying an OU device...

[Grumpy]

Anything and everything relating to 7.xx Hz would be interesting if the Shaumann REsonance frequency had not shift to somewhere around 10 or 11 Hz.  Also Bob mentioend in an early post that he doubted that SM tuned to this low freq and that the discharge was more representative of a mugh higher frequency.  Also, SM has mentioned RF burns on several occasions as well as precise frequency control.

As for "ASYMMETRY" I don't agree 100%.

It is a little known fact that a rotating magnetic field will change a curled vector potential into a divergence - a dipole.  It is also little known that the inside and outside may not be pointing the same direction as the field rotates.

As has been posted about several times before, magnets do have a frequency and it is on the order of about 175 khz - far above 7 Hz.  I read somewhere that Tesla used this freq in some of his devises, but have not confirmed this.  There are something like 5 different classifications of magnetism and they all have a frequency - ferromagnetic is around 175 khz.  Find the others and you got something to talk about.

Then there is the newly explored world of "spintronics" where scientist hope to harness the a known aspect of electrons - they spin and this spin creates a "spin current" - which is very hard to control.  An elxtric field will produce a transverse force on a spin field - similar to the Hall effect.  Also, spin currents do not interact with the environment like charge current does - spin currents produce little heat.  One could also surmise that a spin field will produce a transverse force on a magnetic field - which would induce a current...

Go further and we see that everything has the primal element of spin - everything.  Neutrons have spin but no charge (neutrinos - ala Tesla's RE also have no charge), protons spin and have positive charge, electrons spin with negative charge.  When an electric charge is applied to a wire and the electrons rotate to align their axis to the potential - before they drift and create a current, what are the neutrons and protons doing?  The proton should also rotate since it is charged.  What is the neutron doing?

So, harness the spin and you got the keys to the universe. 

[Bruce_TPU]

I have enjoyed reading all three of the last posts.  The part I wish to comment on is where I talked about the three collectors, each receiving a frequency.

SM:
"There need to be three of them all the way around.
start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second,
then the third.
when you eventually strike the cord look out.
you will know what has happened at that point.
In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not
strike the exact cord."

Now, it has always been an assumption, one that I made also, that of course the three frequencies need to mix.  But based on Bob's information I no longer believe that.  He uses a frequency and harmonic in each of the three phases, and they never mix, except when going to ground.

Warm regards,
Bruce