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Overunity Machines Forum



Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar panels

Started by hartiberlin, July 26, 2007, 09:40:54 PM

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mikestocks2006

Quote from: Humbugger on September 12, 2007, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on September 12, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
To keep it simple,
take the energy stored in a cpapcitor that can be discharged over a "constant current circuit" for simplification purposes.

A capacitor charged at 150 volts, discharging one amp, and a capacitor  charged  at 1 volt also discharging at 1 amp.

Are you saying they are storing the same amount of energy?

Not at all.  I'm say that 16 identical batteries store 16x the energy of one, whether they are series or parallel doesn't matter.  What you're implying is that in series, they store 16^2 x the energy and in parallel only 16x the energy.  See?  It can't work that way.

Hum

So isn't 16x  626mAh  = 10000mAh=10Ah ???

Humbugger

No, not in series it's not.  You are not allowed to multiply the amps for series connections.  Only the volts.  Reason being, all the current is flowing in every battery when they are in series.  1/16 of the current is flowing in each battery when they are in parallel.

Are you getting a live audio feed in the background?  I am.  How odd.

Humbugger

mikestocks2006

Quote from: Humbugger on September 12, 2007, 12:21:54 PM
No, not in series it's not.  You are not allowed to multiply the amps for series connections.  Only the volts.  Reason being, all the current is flowing in every battery when they are in series.  1/16 of the current is flowing in each battery when they are in parallel.

Are you getting a live audio feed in the background?  I am.  How odd.

Humbugger

Who's multiplying amps in series? We are talking total energy, see my posts again, series vs parallel etc.

Again as i posted above 16x 626mAh = 10000mAh = 10 Ah (energy units not current)!

lol yes there are some peoople talking in the background.

Humbugger

Your math is fine.  Your misunderstanding is in the idea that the mAh rating is energy.  It's only energy once you multiply by a voltage.  Example:

ten batteries, each rated 5V 3ah  okay?

each battery holds 5x3=15w for 1 hour = 15wh  so 5 batteries hold 5x15 = 75wh

now, put them in parallel and you have the same as one battery rated 5V 15ah = 75wh
put them in series and you have the same as one battery 25V Xah = 75wh

Solve for X

Hint X=3

You were cheating by multiplying in the voltage two different times, first when you placed the batteries in series and then again when you (incorrectly) multiplied the mAh rating for a series connection.  See?  Only get to multiply the V factor by the number of cells one time, not twice!

Humb

mikestocks2006

Quote from: Humbugger on September 12, 2007, 12:36:30 PM
Your math is fine.  Your misunderstanding is in the idea that the mah rating is energy.  It's only energy once you multiple by a voltage.  Example:

ten batteries, each rated 5V 3ah  okay?

each battery holds 5x3=15w for 1 hour = 15wh  so 5 batteries hold 5x15 = 75wh

now, put them in parallel and you have the same as one battery rated 5V 15ah = 75wh
put them in series and you have the same as one battery 25V Xah = 75wh

Solve for X

Hint X=3


You are mixing energy units with current units.
What units is your X?

Please read my first post again, the one you've objected.

I stated that those 16 batteries have a total energy of 10000 mAh or 10 Ah

which you replied
"The ampere hour capacity is not multiplied when the batteries are in series.  It's still 625mah total, not 10ah."