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Control Inside?

Started by BEP, September 11, 2007, 01:44:24 PM

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acerzw

How about this for a theory of the coil construction?

I think that in that picture the coil looks like it made of 3 layers of 2 materials sandwiched together with some kind of thin conducting material in the between to make sure the layers act as one but are free to move in relation to each other when magnetorestriction is applied, as theorised by tao.

There have been various articles about coated cooper etc, maybe the inner layer of the sandwich is copper and the outer two are aluminum/iron or some other material that under magnetorestriction produces excess ions which are then taken up by the inner layer of copper by passing through an intermediate layer of thin foil?

---------- ______  ---------                                                                    ---------- ______  ---------
|  Iron   | copper |  Iron  |                                Center                         |  Iron   | copper |  Iron  |
---------------------------------                                                                    ----------------------------------

Perhaps only the outside layers of the coil sandwich are magnetorestricted and the inner layer takes the ions/current away?

Obviously the control coils/frequencies are used to create the magnetorestrictive effect as discussed previously....

I have not examined the video in detail but maybe, if he is shown cutting the coil, the time he takes to cut through the coil and the tool used would give some indication of the hardness of the material?

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BEP

I have never seen this 'cutting' video. Now I wish I had.

This looks almost identical to my current open tpu attempt. Construction of the 'plates':

Aluminum banding made from heavy gauge roof flashing material in a roll. I sheared it into .25 inch bands.
Each band has .2 inch thick 'roll foam' attached to one side.
Two bands are atttached together at one end and wrapped as a spiral-bifilar flat winding.
The final ring dimensions are 8.6 inch O.D. and 7.75 inch I.D.

At each quadrant a lobe was formed extending to the center - as is shown in the video.

I have more layers than your cutaway shows. Connecting the layers in bifilar fashion makes a massive increase in effects. Not that Sm connected them bifilar!

BEP

Quote from: acerzw on October 05, 2007, 07:29:30 AM
How about this for a theory of the coil construction?

Are you thinking giant magnetostriction or giant magnetoresistance? Both will happen. If you aren't familiar with the terms you should be.
My Cook coil used it. copper wire encased in aluminum - run current through the AL to effect magnetic and resistive results for the copper.
This is why I was so hyper on the BrnBrade coil. He could have had something if he stuck with it.

This is an effective way to minimize the effects of CEMF and cancel out one side of a standing magnetic wave to aid in rotation.

I don't think the TPU uses it so I haven't gone that route.

wattsup

@Ronotte and all

Thanks for your kind words. I am happy to see that you and others are taking a closer look at the 17incher and welcome any ideas on things that I may have missed as I am sure there are. I mentioned a few locations on the diagram where a closer look by several people would be good to convene on what they are. Especially the wires leading to the white connector. HOW MANY WIRES DO YOU SEE on the connector coming from the TPU and going into the control box.

As for the top and bottom of the TPU, I cannot say yet but will investigate this further. But one thing to keep in mind is that the TPU has a total weight of just under 10 pounds. I would imagine that if the top and bottom were three metal rings of 17" diameter, the weight of these would break the bank by themselves.

If the center core was a softer material, it only seems logical that the top and bottom pieces must be hard enough to withstand the total stress of the collectors wound over the structure. As if the soft part was pressed like a sandwich with the vertical winding.

So I am not sure of this yet and would have to look again, and again, and again, and so on.

One other point that we have seen in the other thread on the open TPU. It is now more than clear that the device uses a battery. I have just finished preparing a transcript of that part of the video and Tao also confirmed it. I noticed the great hesitation when SM was aksed if there were any batteries. His hesitation says it all. Plus the fact that he says if there were any batteries in the device they would be very very very very small. This is major because it explains more of the sleek design having to do away with any looping back control of energy.

So what's good for the goose is good for the gander and we can expect to eventually learn that the 17" TPU also had batteries. We now know there was room for up to 206 batteries. Granted maybe not enough to do the whole demo, but enought to produce the demo via this TPU design that could simply be a current multiplier. I'd take one anyday. But again, I am neither for or against a TPU. I am for the truth.

Maybe one last thing when inspecting the open TPU. It has dawned on me that Otto's ECD should be used upside down. Small ring on the bottom, large ring on the top.

ronotte

Hi Whatsup,

during ECD test  Otto were able to trace the mag field generated by the Tornado by using a magnetized needle and up to a couple of meters in vertical of the unit. The small ring purpose is just that to create a 'gradient' and sure it should be used upside-down...but for testing purposes it appears to be not interesting.

Roberto