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Anty gravity, Energy Output versus energy Input.

Started by Creaform, October 23, 2007, 07:18:06 PM

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Creaform

Logic eh?

If time is a dimension like length width and depth.
Then every pice of energy would have a set length on that dimension, but since matter cannot be created or destroyed this cannot be a case.
Secondly, we cannot interact with time as a dimension.
All matter moves at a constant speed, but all matter is effected by time,
time = X
X is varyable
the rock moves 3 meters in X, but if X changes due to the proximity of a large gravitational force, the rock does not move as far but its speed remains constant.

time is much more like a varyable that effects all matter, than a dimension that everything moves thorugh.

Thus if time is not a dimension, than there can be no fifth 6th 7th 8th 9th or 10th.
Also this means we cannot move thorugh the 5th diemnsion to create a wormhole.

Paralel universes dont exist due to 8 9 and 10 not existing.

I do understand what oyu are saying about there bieng no central point to relate everything to.
Were like a perpetually moving pooltable, with balls bouncing off eachother, accept theres no pooltable jsut a seethin mass of balls moving. you get used to the thaught and learn to ignore it.

Creaform

Before you say im wrong consider this, Yo usay time is a dimension, you offer no evidence to support your claim. "In fact, one could argue that time is the only dimension" That was it. I see no logic.

armagdn03

you hit it on the nose!

"Then every piece of energy would have a set length on that dimension"
find any theoretical theorist worth his salt, and he will tell you that this can be done. Except not a set length, since time is variable as well. In fact I am traveling through time at a different speed than you, simply because I am in a different geographic location on the surface of a rotating sphere, so the measure of the circumference where we sit is probably different.

you also say after this that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Where do you get your info from???

what do you think the ramifications of E=MC^2 are? In fact in some stepping stone theories such as string theory, matter is nothing more than small 2 dimensional loops held at Plank tension. The frequency at which they vibrate determines their physical attributes. This idea means that energy level (frequency) is all that determines the properties of the particle, be it an energy particle or a particle with mass. This interchangeability between energy and mass is something that is on the fringe of science for many, but has evidence to back it up, all you have to do is look.  (note the string theory is a stepping stone theory only, and has many incorrect assumption and rules that need to exist for it to work.)

You could look at the universe as one dimensional.
Everything is speeding through this one dimension at the speed of light.  this dimension is time. If we move a bit, we have decreased in speed through time, and increased in speed through dimension x. Every movement is a borrowing of energy from the time dimension.  Because of this you cannot push mass past the speed of light, because it would cease to be mass, it would become pure energy, with zero passage through time.

you may be correct about no 8,9 and ten dimensions etc. but dimensions are all human constructs we use to evaluate our world, you cannot say time is not one of them.
I wish I could turn my brain off sometimes, then I could get some sleep.

armagdn03

Here is food for thought, take your basic si measurements.


Mass
Temperature
Distance
Time


Mass is a property of matter. There are two important physical properties which are referred to as a mass. The first is called gravitational mass or gravitational charge. That property shows the strength of gravitational interaction between two objects which have gravitational masses. If gravitational mass is zero, there will be no gravitational interaction. Currently there are no known objects with negative mass, although it is not proven that mass must be positive or zero. The second property is called inertial mass. That property shows how well the object changes its velocity if it interacts with another object. The easier (e.g. faster) the object changes its velocity the smaller the mass is.     

Right off the bat we have two definitions of mass require both time and distance to be measured!
So lets look at distance,

Distance is a numerical description of how far apart objects are at any given moment in time. In physics or everyday discussion, distance may refer to a physical length, a period of time, or an estimation based on other criteria

Here again time is mentioned in the very definition of a fundamental unit. I have already discussed why a unit of distance is not absolute, as you cannot prove how fast it is moving.

Temperature falls into the same problem. Temp, or the excitation of molecular structure requires the time domain for meaning. Without it it cannot exist.  How about a deffinition of temp???

?On the microscopic scale, temperature is defined as simply the average energy of microscopic motions of a single particle in the system per degree of freedom?

Now we have defined temperature with the SI unit of distance (the derivative of motion) upon which mass is also based, where mass in turn has a definition based off of the time dimension.

It all leads back to time. Since it is measurable, variable, controllable, how is it not a dimension?
I wish I could turn my brain off sometimes, then I could get some sleep.

Creaform

Ok 1 major pice of evidence that shows time as a varyable and not a dimension.

Length width and depth can be effected by % and Static effects.
AKA, it can be effected by things that take the ojects original value into account and it can be effected by things that dont.
I can explain this further if you require i do so.

time can only be effected by % effects. and cannot go into a negative.
time can only be slowed down by the effect of gravity.

the properties of time are verry different to length witdth and depth.

Besides, im talking aobut space flight not using dimension with different laws of physics to easily accelerate to massive multiples of C, nor am I tlakign aobut wormholes.

Im talking about gettign a giant ball of pure energy and throwing it out the ass end in the form of well..... boom!
The larger the blackhole the more energy it wil lrequire to contain it. And it goes into a %, the larget the blackhole the more power so the more needs to be pulled off it. MEaning any size blackhole will last the same amount of time, only the larger it is the faster your acceleration.

Im oging out for a smoke then im going to sleep.