Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[sm0ky2]

There is still magnetic potential beyond this point, this is true. It extends infinitely, decreasing in strength with distance.

That's incorrect. Like I said, you're confusing force with energy.

read my post, i explained the difference between force and energy.
force in this experiment only relates to the acceleration force ON THE ACTIVE ROLLER.
wether or not there is magnetic potential between the field and a theoretically charged particle somewhere off in space is irrelevant in this experiment. Because the mass of the roller is litterally millions of times greater, and thus the excess energy is not accounted for given that kind of analogy.

stop dodging the issue and build yourself a Tri-Force Gate.
Then you can prove this excess energy for yourself.

[Omnibus]

There is still magnetic potential beyond this point, this is true. It extends infinitely, decreasing in strength with distance.

That's incorrect. Like I said, you're confusing force with energy.

read my post, i explained the difference between force and energy.
force in this experiment only relates to the acceleration force ON THE ACTIVE ROLLER.
wether or not there is magnetic potential between the field and a theoretically charged particle somewhere off in space is irrelevant in this experiment. Because the mass of the roller is litterally millions of times greater, and thus the excess energy is not accounted for given that kind of analogy.

stop dodging the issue and build yourself a Tri-Force Gate.
Then you can prove this excess energy for yourself.

Building I'll do but you have to understand that it isn't true that the magnetic potential energy decreases as you go away from the magnet. That's important to understand because the excess energy is closely related to the magnetic potential energy, not only to the gravitational potential energy as you seem to think. You think you've explained the difference between force and energy but in fact it's obvious from what you write that you're confusing the two.

[Tinker]

HEY OMNIBUS

If you you use a vertical wheel and extend the magnet array beyond the entrance of the rotating magnets they should not be affected by the repulsion force created at the end of the magnet array.

This will take some tuning but is doable.

But that is what I Think.

Tinker   

[Omnibus]

@Tinker,

I don't quite get it. Can you draw a little sketch and show how this can be applied to this construction here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXY0CKPTMss

[sm0ky2]

There is still magnetic potential beyond this point, this is true. It extends infinitely, decreasing in strength with distance.

That's incorrect. Like I said, you're confusing force with energy.

read my post, i explained the difference between force and energy.
force in this experiment only relates to the acceleration force ON THE ACTIVE ROLLER.
wether or not there is magnetic potential between the field and a theoretically charged particle somewhere off in space is irrelevant in this experiment. Because the mass of the roller is litterally millions of times greater, and thus the excess energy is not accounted for given that kind of analogy.

stop dodging the issue and build yourself a Tri-Force Gate.
Then you can prove this excess energy for yourself.

Building I'll do but you have to understand that it isn't true that the magnetic potential energy decreases as you go away from the magnet. That's important to understand because the excess energy is closely related to the magnetic potential energy, not only to the gravitational potential energy as you seem to think. You think you've explained the difference between force and energy but in fact it's obvious from what you write that you're confusing the two.

@ OMNI


i have no confusion between the two,  the FACT that the magnetic potential decreases with distance is WHY the gravitational potential is constant between to points outside of the field at the same height.

I think your confusion lies in your conception of the magnetic field in this set-up.

The uniform, magnetic di-pole only exists on the two outer ends of the Tri-Force Gate.

The Transitional Field in the middle of the gates is an independent field - it is partially composed of the inverse magnetic component of the outer field, but also contains part of the secondary magnetic component from the back row of magnets, making it a much different field all together.
the area in the middle merges together to form a pair of  assymetrical 'pulsed' di-poles that run along the length of the gate array.like a 'super' -Howard Johnson Linear Motor.
the repulsing 'rotor' becomes inbalanced by the attraction force oposite the repulsion zone, when it enters into the gate. this causes the roller to be imparted into by a linear motion along the length of the gate -the force of which is a function of the flux density of the cummulative (transitional) field and the flux density of the 'rotor' magnets. This equation would be probably take a team of people to tackle..... i dont fully understand it, clanzer doesnt fully understand it,
and from what im hearing -you, up to this point haven't even seen what we are talking about first hand to even TRY to understand it.

the "in/out repulsion fields in this device are symmetrical.
the in/out attraction fields are symmetrical, but NOT proportional to the repulsion fields which is WHY it 'kicks' out.

the transitional field is a linear field running in both directions, up one side, down the other between the ends. they converge at the magnetic meridian at the edge of the attraction zones.
It is in this Transitional Field that the energy of the Tri-Force lies. When you place the roller in so that the poles are repulsing, and 'off-set' it beyond the meridian at the edge of the attraction zone, (which it does itself from momentum attracting TO the meridian) the roller travels to the meridian at the other side - it easily overcomes the end attraction zone, and gets 'kicked' out by the final repulsion zone.

you must understand that these are 2 seperate fields.
they interact to create multiple magnetic moments.


the equation for the interaction force between two magnets is the inverse of the distance.,  i gave you the math above.