What goes up must come down - some thoughts

[AB Hammer]

abhammer it's the only thing I dislike about you and probably will never agree with. It's the use of patents, I also don't like how you sometimes try to convince people they should do the same. It corrupts minds and gets people from research mode to greed mode. I do all my research and work for free. If I'm lucky enough to find a runner it'll be free for everyone like it's supposed to. Even if someone else gets the credit for it I don't care as long as it's out free of charge I'll sleep and die happy.

broli

That is easy to say when you have a good job and a retirement. If I had the same I would probably feel the same. But I have lived in off and on poverty over the last 20 years, being a handicap (bad legs from an head on collision) I got hit by a drunk driver at over 110 MPH. Even though I am a blacksmith/armourer and I dare say a good one. It is still a very very painful life and no retirement possible under these conditions. I hope you understand, it is not greed, but survival. And I want credit for who ever where credit is due. Not to be berried by hype and big business. Even Tesla's name was almost berried, and would have been, if he didn't do so much, and so much documentation by the media.

[broli]

Yes I agree, everyone has his own story. But in my sight there's no way of justifying a patent. If you just want to survive then releasing a runner under open source terms will make you survive 5 life times. If you want to sit on millions or have that illusion atleast then go ahead patent the idea and we'll see what happens. Despite of the dreamer tesla was and what he invented he also used to patent every single thought he had, and what did it bring him today? Well I let students explain that as none have heard of him if they haven't done the research.

What's wrong with giving a world changing invention away? We have been used to these bad habits for so long that they seem oke now and have become the status quo.

[AB Hammer]

@broli

It looks like you  have allot to learn.
It seem like you don't know what it is like to be in poverty.
You don't know what it is like to work in pain, needing cane and props just to try to make some money.
You don't know what it is like to have an invention stolen from you and you don't have the money to fight them.

To a blacksmith a tool needs to be used, and I look at money as a tool. If I had the money I would build jobs and places where the handicap and the poor people could have a life, the more I could make the more I can give.
What can a poor person give? Nothing but ideas that can be taken and made millions on and the poor person could do nothing for they can't afford it.
What can a rich person give that knows what it is like to be poor? Who has always put other people first. If I was that greedy, I wouldn't be here talking to anybody, wasting my time. But I will say this as well I give freely as long as I can afford it. Survival dictates what I can do. I have no choice.

[pequaide]

The patent office will not experiment with your invention unless they have independent verification of its authenticity. In other words: all the world knows about it already. They too believe that such an invention is impossible.

A better hope at making money with it would be to introduce it to a corporation that has patent lawyers that will attempt to protect your invention, after they have vested interest in the project.

You should help protect yourself from the corporation outright stealing your invention when you show it to them, have a third party sit in with you on demo day, and video tape the demo.  Also; posting your invention on this site and starting a discussion is a valid means of establishing priority.  Sharing a slice of the pie with a corporation gives you a better shot at making money: it is a big pie.

[DrWhat]

Alan,

you say "You don't know what it is like to have an invention stolen from you and you don't have the money to fight them". What do you mean by this? What invention?

I too invented something but I cannot say here as it will give away what I do/where I am to too many people. The patent attorney from a large patent firm said "no it's not worth patenting, too obvious and perhaps unpatentable". Three years later it was fully patented by an overseas company and now the invention is in millions of devices worldwide. To have been angry is an understatement. But my anger was never shown to others.