Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

[gyulasun]

Guys I need insight!

I built a Bedini-Cole window motor. I wound an additional generator coil at a 90 degree angle to the first coil. However, when I put a load on the generator, there is immense drag. But why? I cannot conceive of what is causing this drag. It doesn't seem to be Lenz's law, because if you draw it on paper, it doesn't make sense that this generator coil can even have Lenz's law. But still, it does slow down.

Hi,

The generator part of your setup is nearly conventional: the rotor magnets create a changing magnetic field in your new coil what you actually load, right? Why would it be Lenz-free?  Unfortunately the action-reaction is 100% in this case.
Your motor coil works only when you let it attract (or repel) the rotor magnets, otherwise the motor coil is an open circuit, right?
You gen coil is a continuously closed coil I suppose? Maybe you could use a switch at the gen coil like you use at the motor coil I wonder...

rgds, Gyula

[supermuble]

If you draw out a rotor with 6 equally spaced NSNSNS magnets on it on a piece of paper, and draw a coil around it. Now visualize what that will do. It just seemed (on paper) that Lenz law couldn't possibly slow down the rotor. In this case, I think the magnetic drag is a bit more complicated, and I don't really understand it.

I heard John Bedini say "there is no Lenz's law in it" during a small video of his window motor where it is running on a capacitor. He must be referring to the "motor" part of the circuit. However, he also disconnects the power switch, and the thing keeps running, apparently with no load, even though the charge coil is STILL connected. I guess I thought he had somehow averted Lenz's law, but I am just confused! 

Here is the video link - John says "no Lenz's law!"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3562588371166049574&ei=Csd0SoPiIZvqqAOblKS_CA&hl=en

[manfred]

Could you show in a "paper"-picture here  -step by step- your theoretical consideration,
why  LENZ´s LAW in your design is supposed to do not apply? 

[gyulasun]

If you draw out a rotor with 6 equally spaced NSNSNS magnets on it on a piece of paper, and draw a coil around it. Now visualize what that will do. It just seemed (on paper) that Lenz law couldn't possibly slow down the rotor. In this case, I think the magnetic drag is a bit more complicated, and I don't really understand it.

I heard John Bedini say "there is no Lenz's law in it" during a small video of his window motor where it is running on a capacitor. He must be referring to the "motor" part of the circuit. However, he also disconnects the power switch, and the thing keeps running, apparently with no load, even though the charge coil is STILL connected. I guess I thought he had somehow averted Lenz's law, but I am just confused! 

Here is the video link - John says "no Lenz's law!"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3562588371166049574&ei=Csd0SoPiIZvqqAOblKS_CA&hl=en

Hi,  by disconnecting the power switch it means all the switches are open circuit, the coils are not loaded with anything electrically, the mass of the rotor magnets keeps the rotor in rotation, this what he must have meant be saying that. No closed circuit on a coil when it is still in a changing magnetic field= no Lenz law.  This must be a case he meant.

If the charge coil remained connected and the charged capacitor has NOT been discharged during the power off situation, it means no or only a very little load to the rotor, hence its effect is insignificant. The lower the load current during any induction, the less effect Lenz law has on the process.
In case the charged cap is just starting to charge from the coil when you disconnect the power switch, and the cap has had zero charge in it the moment before, then you surely found a sudden, one time slow down in rotation (like a bump) which exponentially would diminish as the capacitor takes up the charge, ok? (Assuming there is no any load resistor on the charging cap.)

rgds, Gyula

[supermuble]

Thanks, that makes sense.

After experimenting with the window motor, I have got an increase in torque, and a 50% reduction in current consumption by using a Reed switch for triggering. I used the basic window motor circuit. But instead of using the trigger coil, I just stuck a reed switch in it's place. One end of the Reed goes to the Base of transistor, the other end goes to a 2.2K resistor, then to the + battery.

With the Reed switch for triggering, I get sharp high voltage spikes even at very low speed. Where before, while using the basic trigger coil, those sharp spikes don't occur because the transistor doesn't switch on and off as sharply. It's a huge difference. Now I see how you can get the Window motor to run its self, because you have "radiant spikes" even at very very low rpm.