RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[najman100]

Wow, just got home to see you guys are really fast at the draw. I was late in posting this response to @groundloop but will put it anyways in case in rings some bells.

@groundloop

Thanks for explaining the two models.

What I am saying about the flyback is that if you are using let's say two 12vdc batteries in series so 24 volts to drive the coils via the transistors, then the flyback from the coils need a way to return back to the battery source.

What I have learned is the first rule of OU is to recycle as much energy from the source, back to the source. The more you can do this, the less you will rely on added OU coming from the coils and hence the more inclined the device will be to become an OU device.

This is a very interesting stage as I feel this is where the EE world and the OU world often clash. I am not trying to point to you in a bad way when I say this but it is part of our OUer reality that we try to understand the flyback phenomenon and USE it to our advantage, whereas we find that classical EEers look to buffer it out of existence. I have a feeling this is where some of the heat in the components is coming from. Flyback with no good home to return to. This one question or understanding is essential on both the EE and OU end of any project if there is to be both positive results and durable device function.

You can decide to forget the flyback, the flyback will never forget about you. It will always show its face at one time or another and wammo, fry them little suckers. We have seen this many many and many times before. Maybe this time, Tesla is standing by wondering if we will catch it or again be caught.

So, I know you are saying the transistor diode can handle it. For me this is EE talk. The OU talker is saying, hey, I don't want you to handle it, I want you to send it back to the source, period, no ifs ands or buts. This is where if both the EE and OU minds can come together, I know we will have some great results.

Every time I see one of @gotoluc's videos, I see them coils being pulsed and I am only wondering one thing, what about the flyback. I was hoping this thread would then get into the flyback discussion to figure out a strategy to USE it, before any mass circuits are made.

I have been around this forum long enough and have seen many many projects start and stop. When we start, we never think it will stop. We only think it will continue until success has been achieved. But something else I have seen on this forum and that is the dangers that happen once we see a project hit the fifth gear, full steam ahead only to bungle up, then no more momentum left to move forward. Guys, I have seen this enough and am telling you it may be time to take one step back, take a deep breath and think about this very carefully. I am not in a hurry to get a circuit. I can wait a little longer if it will make things 99% certain instead of what I feel is 70% certain right now.

@Najman100

Thanks. I will send you my coordinates. Don't  get me wrong. Regardless of what I say above, I am still an OUer and willing to try anything, but I would have hoped for @gotoluc's sake and ours that the question of flyback be addressed seriously with an honest effort now to accommodate it, rather then running the chance of realizing this afterward.

Whatever, you guys rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i do understand your point of view but what i learned threw 6 month of intensive research on HHO that trial and error is the best thing in evolving and making thing better as every one is trying and experimenting we will acheive better designs .
if you want your pcb faster just pass by if not i will mail it to you .


Najman100

[najman100]

Here is the first prototype and it cam close to perfect still have to make 5 more .
enjoy .

Najman100

[gotoluc]

WOW!... Najman, you are a man on a mission

Great job thanks for doing this for all of us. I'll send you my address.

I was out today getting some sockets and other stuff to put together my 2nd board.

@Groundloop, I picked up a roll of 18ga. plastic coated wire to wind a test coil to see how well that kind of wire performs. Hopefully I have it done tomorrow and will give you an update.

@ramset, I received the extra amount I needed and the 6 batteries to do the self charge test are now bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300281623770  thanks for your help.

@wattsup, I hear you brother   as you know I'm not much of an EE, so you can rest assured that I will do my best to study the effect and not get too caught up in the ideal circuit   I think we are on a good start and hope we can all work together.

Thank you all fro your time, efforts and sharing.

Luc

[najman100]

WOW!... Najman, you are a man on a mission

Great job thanks for doing this for all of us. I'll send you my address.

I was out today getting some sockets and other stuff to put together my 2nd board.

@Groundloop, I picked up a roll of 18ga. plastic coated wire to wind a test coil to see how well that kind of wire performs. Hopefully I have it done tomorrow and will give you an update.

@ramset, I received the extra amount I needed and the 6 batteries to do the self charge test are now bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300281623770  thanks for your help.

@wattsup, I hear you brother   as you know I'm not much of an EE, so you can rest assured that I will do my best to study the effect and not get too caught up in the ideal circuit   I think we are on a good start and hope we can all work together.

Thank you all fro your time, efforts and sharing.

Luc

Luc
today was hectic i received my signal generator ,whenyt to buy the pcbs then came back started printing etching and took appart my hydrogen cell cut new gaskets ans still waiting for my scope and the list keep on going .i will send you the pcb asap .


Najman100

[Cap-Z-ro]

The spirit of cooperation here is inspiring more people than you guys may be aware.

If things don't get done in time, I'd still like to meet you guys someday...maybe we'll end up in the same gulag.

Have a great christmas and new year all.

Regards...