Toroidal Motor

[gravityblock]

Hey broli,

I think this should work.  The torque forces should be the same but because it is on a wheel, I would think the forces toward the outside of the wheel will produce more leverage causing rotation.  Oh but I just realized something, the wire toward the outside of the wheel will be moving at a higher speed, so in fact it will generate a stronger force than the one closer in.  So its going to have a counter emf.  But what is cool is you've invented a homopolar generator that can have multiple turns (instead of just 1).  I suspect that you'll be able to make this device spin so fast it tears itself apart (like a universal motor).  The efficiency should be much better than the conventional homopolar generator too. 

You should patent this if you can.  If you live in the USA, by making it public you've given up your international rights but you can still hold a US patent.  You have like a year after you make it public to apply for a patent.  After that it becomes public domain.

Good luck,
Charlie

Isn't this already patented?  It's not much different than the watt hour meter on all the buildings........lol
The utility companies are seeding us with electricity, so we can generate our own, and then charge us for what we generated from their seed electricity.  This is too much......lol

Yhea, but let's take another step, and incorporate it with a gyro, and this won't have a counter emf.  The only limit will be mechanical.  Please don't laugh at this idea.  This idea has some interesting results, in thought.  I can't speak for broli, but I think he is on the same page.  Now, this is for another topic, which is already being discussed in various areas of this forum.

Broli went full circle with this and never gave up.  Out of respect, it is only reasonable, to ask the members of this forum who is capable, to give this some thought, build, and test this device.  I believe this is no longer half baked, but is a fully baked idea.  Let's get this idea moved out of this section, by building and testing, and hopefully rejoicing with the results.  Enough with my philosophical B.S.


"The day you stop thinking, is the day you die"

[Low-Q]

These kind of generator broli has drawn can work as generator but not as a motor. If I remember correctly.

[gravityblock]

These kind of generator broli has drawn can work as generator but not as a motor. If I remember correctly.

With a gyro, it can work both as a generator and a motor, without the counter EMF. 

Why does it have to be a motor?

[rukiddingme]

Looks a bit like this:

http://www.koremag.com/

[broli]

Hey broli,

I think this should work.  The torque forces should be the same but because it is on a wheel, I would think the forces toward the outside of the wheel will produce more leverage causing rotation.  Oh but I just realized something, the wire toward the outside of the wheel will be moving at a higher speed, so in fact it will generate a stronger force than the one closer in.  So its going to have a counter emf.  But what is cool is you've invented a homopolar generator that can have multiple turns (instead of just 1).  I suspect that you'll be able to make this device spin so fast it tears itself apart (like a universal motor).  The efficiency should be much better than the conventional homopolar generator too. 

You should patent this if you can.  If you live in the USA, by making it public you've given up your international rights but you can still hold a US patent.  You have like a year after you make it public to apply for a patent.  After that it becomes public domain.

Good luck,
Charlie

I never think about patents when I post my ideas. The moment I post them they belong to the general public. Also I said something wrong to a reply to you on an other thread. The motor part of this will not be the spinning toroid but will actually be the spinning magnets. They will spin because of newton's third law action=-reaction. But when they spin nothing changes at all in the system so they don't cause some induced counter voltage, this is Faraday's paradox. That means the torque on them stays constant no matter how fast they spin. Now to get power out of this you then hook the exact same motor to it but now allow the toroid to spin. This will generate electricity from the torque of the motor. The cool thing about this is that the magnets will yet again spin in the generator due to the newton's third law. The Lorentz force doesn't predict this reaction force but experiments on especially the rail guns show them. The other cool thing about it is that all the math is very simple and you can easily predict what the speeds are with the used parameters like field strength,windings count and toroidal size.