Hi All,
Tom has sent me this:
Have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N45TwHLo1ng
He wrote:
I have decided to let you and the world in on all I have done. YOU CAN POST THIS LETTER ON ANY WEB SITE YOU WISH. I hope others give it a try using their own ideas as they go along. I will send you a photo tomorrow of my device that still need runner magnet work.
My idea has to be executed with great care and there is a lot of adjusting and experimenting to do. If not done correctly with care this device will not work.
I am having trouble right now positioning my runner magnet in the exact spot to make the device operate again.
We are only interested in the repel mode Attract is out If you find the magnets attract each other you are not going to have results.
Here is how it works:
You have a wooden Lazy Susan turntable in front of you made with very thick wood. So much the better if the bearings are 316 grade stainless steel. My bearings are not. Try to stay away from using ferrous materials
In the exact center of the top of the lazy susan drill a 3/8 inch hole and insert a 316 grade stainless steel or brass rod. Threaded is good.
That rod should have a pointed top end so a plastic nylon ball with a 3/8 inch hole drilled half way through it can be placed on the top of the rod. That ball should be able to rotate easily through 360 degrees.
I used a 1 inch diameter plastic ball knob and coated it with light grease.
Next comes the fun part. Buy a very large powerful ceramic ring magnet having a large diameter but small center hole. My magnet diameter is 4.5 inches with a center hole of 1.75 inches. It weighs 5.5 pounds.!!! I placed a "brass bearing" inside that hole and now my inside diameter was 1 inch.
Before you put the bearing through the ring magnets center you must solder or weld a round non ferrous cap to the top side of the bearing.
Now epoxy the capped bearing inside the ring magnets center.hole.
After the epoxy sets you take the ball with the drilled hole and put it on the senter shaft so it rotates. Grease the ball head
Now you take your modified monster ring magnet and place the BRASS CUP you just made over the plastic ball and set the magnet down.
Notice now that the huge ring magnet now can not only pivot but turn and tilt as well. YOU JUST MADE A HUGE RING MAGNET BALL JOINT.
Next is the part that will try your patients.
You need a short very powerful neo rod magnet. I used two stacked 1.5 inch long ,75 inch diameter rod magnet sections. My total lenght was 3 inches.
Take that rod magnet and mount on a 45 degree wood section so that the magnet side that is up repels the huge ring magnet. You should be able to place that runner magnet """DIRECTLY UNDER THE RING MAGNET."""
That action forces the ring magnet on top of the runner to TILT UP if you did that correcty. YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPERIMENT TO FIND JUST THE RIGHT SPOT.
ANY ATTRACTION IS A NO NO
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
Tom
P.S: My ring magnet will always have part of its weight pushing down on the runner magnet under it. In otherwards the ring magnet will always be tilted as it turns over the runner magnet spinning around and under it.
I also forgot to mention that the runner magnet not only is mounted on a 45 degree ramp but is also fixed at a 45 degree angle to the center axis of device. This positioning allows the lazy susan to turn.
Photos or a video will follow later today and you can post both the previous letter and the photos or video.. This letter also
Tom
Update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBP5Mignz7I&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
i noticed you made comment about making the rod magnet longer...
it almost seems like it needs to be shorter, and place a little closer to the bottom of the magnetic-pivot
also,. you can try placing a square piece of hardened (ferrous) steel directly on the bottom of the rod magnet.
Ths will trap the south-pole flux completely inside of it and eliminate any attraction. This is similar to the backing of a HardDrive magnet.
Hi Stefan,
Could you ask Tom what happened to his videos ? They're all removed ;/ I don't remember any prohibited content in these videos, so that's rather strange.
Quote from: Airstriker on July 21, 2011, 05:10:10 PM
Hi Stefan,
Could you ask Tom what happened to his videos ? They're all removed ;/ I don't remember any prohibited content in these videos, so that's rather strange.
Hi, Its me Tom,
I removed all device videos because things were rapidly changing for the better. I never give up. After a great deal of more experimenting and work (on my own) persuing this I am applying for a patent on what I developed.
My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER. Presently I dont care if anyone believes me or not.
My model has great speed and torque and can be classified as a motor rather than a toy. I plan to show all "AFTER A PATENT IS GRANTED"
In event any corporation is interested please contact me with an open wallet. Cash first (in a police station) then you get to see it and play with it. Keeps everyone honest.
Tom
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 22, 2011, 11:57:24 PM
snip...
Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER. Presently I dont care if anyone believes me or not.
My model has great speed and torque and can be classified as a motor rather than a toy. I plan to show all "AFTER A PATENT IS GRANTED"
snip....
Sadly, it could take up to two years or even more for a full patent to take effect. That is, if you
can patent it at all. Depending on where you live, you may not even be able to patent it.
Good luck with your endevours. I sincerely hope you don't have your invention suppressed and have a legal non disclosure order on public discussion or publication, due to so called "national security interests".
Cheers
Hi Tom,
Good luck to you and yours.
I wish you well in your endeavours.
This must be the day for the TOMS.
Penno
Quote from: penno64 on July 23, 2011, 12:13:00 AM
Hi Tom,
Good luck to you and yours.
I wish you well in your endeavours.
This must be the day for the TOMS.
Penno
I have not been keeping up with other ideas lately. Who is the other Tom and what has he invented?
Quote from: hoptoad on July 23, 2011, 12:07:24 AM
Sadly, it could take up to two years or even more for a full patent to take effect. That is, if you
can patent it at all. Depending on where you live, you may not even be able to patent it.
Good luck with your endevours. I sincerely hope you don't have your invention suppressed and have a legal non disclosure order on public discussion or publication, due to so called "national security interests".
Cheers
I already thought of all of this and covered all bases. Any thing goes wrong whatsoever then all info will be dumped on the internet by others I have entrusted. This will see the light of day and not hidden by bureaucracy.
Tom
well Tom,
you may already know this, but here is what's going to happen if your device works as you say it does.
you probably wont get your patent.
you may get a monetary offer from a corporation that includes a stipulation that you will no longer pursue this line of work, nor will you disclose the workings of this device to anyone.
then, your device, and you will disappear. i do not necessarily mean that some sort of harm will come to you, i just mean that you will no longer be posting, making youtube videos, or in any other way sharing your discoveries with the world.
you may even get rich, but you will no longer be an inventor.
the world will not benefit from your invention.
you do have a chance at getting rich.
if you were hoping to change the world in a positive way, you have a much smaller chance at that.
the reason this forum is about "open sourcing" is because we have all seen this happen before, and we know that the ONLY way technology like this will ever benefit mankind is by making it public knowledge by showing everyone how to make one for free.
again, i believe you have probably already done enough research into this to know all of this, but if by some chance you havent; you really should.
good luck to you, i hope your dreams come true.
LC
There ia a much easier way to make sure you get paid if someone makes money off the idea. send yourself a registered letter of your plans with them dated and then you have proof you had them first. make sure everything is dated and signed, then post away. no one will be able to patent your idea or make money with out you being paid first.
The more that make it and duplicate your idea, the more proof you will have and will be easier to get a full patent. Just a thought!
Quote from: loosecannon on July 23, 2011, 06:52:54 PM
well Tom,
you may already know this, but here is what's going to happen if your device works as you say it does.
you probably wont get your patent.
you may get a monetary offer from a corporation that includes a stipulation that you will no longer pursue this line of work, nor will you disclose the workings of this device to anyone.
then, your device, and you will disappear. i do not necessarily mean that some sort of harm will come to you, i just mean that you will no longer be posting, making youtube videos, or in any other way sharing your discoveries with the world.
you may even get rich, but you will no longer be an inventor.
the world will not benefit from your invention.
you do have a chance at getting rich.
if you were hoping to change the world in a positive way, you have a much smaller chance at that.
the reason this forum is about "open sourcing" is because we have all seen this happen before, and we know that the ONLY way technology like this will ever benefit mankind is by making it public knowledge by showing everyone how to make one for free.
again, i believe you have probably already done enough research into this to know all of this, but if by some chance you havent; you really should.
good luck to you, i hope your dreams come true.
LC
I posted three videos about my idea and had just one person tell me straight out he was buying the materials to construct a replication. He even made a 3d CAD video of it. Then All of a sudden I dont hear from him anymore. Probably thinks I am a little crazy. He missed the boat on that.
Now as far as money is concerned I plan to give to a charity of my choice. The good lord has been kind to me and others less fortunate can get the help they need. The only thing I really want out of this is RECOGNITION AS BEING THE ORIGINAL INVENTOR. I dont need someone in a country with loose patent laws patenting the device as theirs and then make huge profits for only themselves. Instant gratification is not on my table for any greedy person after the time I spent developing this device. Later I will video the device turning with a cover on a few parts that make it work. I have about 200 pounds of small electrical motors , generators, and just about evey small part you can think of used in fabricating possible overunity devices. A 30 year collection. up for sale now. Any takers??
Quote from: McGiver30 on July 23, 2011, 07:35:29 PM
There ia a much easier way to make sure you get paid if someone makes money off the idea. send yourself a registered letter of your plans with them dated and then you have proof you had them first. make sure everything is dated and signed, then post away. no one will be able to patent your idea or make money with out you being paid first.
The more that make it and duplicate your idea, the more proof you will have and will be easier to get a full patent. Just a thought!
Please be aware that the law in the US may be changing so that this scenario will no longer apply. the above scenario would only work where the patent law allows the "first to invent" rule. So far this is only the US, as far as I am aware all other countries use a "First to file" rule. This means your registered letter is of no value. The US is considering the "invents act" it will change the patent system to a first to file system. Which is to say it doesn't matter if you invented it and can even prove it. If your neighbour spies it and files the patent first, he wins!.
There are lots of arguments either way I don't personally know which is the better rule, first to invent or first to file. my intuition tells me the former.
CC
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 23, 2011, 09:34:59 PMNow as far as money is concerned I plan to give to a charity of my choice. The good lord has been kind to me and others less fortunate can get the help they need. The only thing I really want out of this is RECOGNITION AS BEING THE ORIGINAL INVENTOR.
Why would you think anyone would steal that from you? If you published full and complete drawings. The internet would do the rest for you. you could never be supplanted. also if you were not interested in the money then you could file a patent application and release the details IN FULL. everyone could verify the patent for you and make it easier for you to get the full patent. and you would still have the option of monetizing the patent.
Or copyright the design, it would be your design for 75 years! better protection than a patent.
just my thoughts
CC
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 22, 2011, 11:57:24 PM
Hi, Its me Tom,
I removed all device videos because things were rapidly changing for the better. I never give up. After a great deal of more experimenting and work (on my own) persuing this I am applying for a patent on what I developed.
My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER. Presently I dont care if anyone believes me or not.
My model has great speed and torque and can be classified as a motor rather than a toy. I plan to show all "AFTER A PATENT IS GRANTED"
In event any corporation is interested please contact me with an open wallet. Cash first (in a police station) then you get to see it and play with it. Keeps everyone honest.
Tom
I knew it ! It really looked promising. Good luck with your patent !
Can you tell us your full name, so that we can follow your progress ? If you prefere not to, that's ok.
Some people just don't understand..
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 22, 2011, 11:57:24 PM
Hi, Its me Tom,
I removed all device videos because things were rapidly changing for the better. I never give up. After a great deal of more experimenting and work (on my own) persuing this I am applying for a patent on what I developed.
My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER. Presently I dont care if anyone believes me or not.
My model has great speed and torque and can be classified as a motor rather than a toy. I plan to show all "AFTER A PATENT IS GRANTED"
In event any corporation is interested please contact me with an open wallet. Cash first (in a police station) then you get to see it and play with it. Keeps everyone honest.
Tom
Have you thought about all those who downloaded this video? If you install Real Player, a plugin allows you to download youtube videos quite easily...
It will not take long before the same video is up and running by another youtuber.
I have not downloaded this video, but others might have. Protecting patents which is already being published on the internet, is next to impossible. Videos are spreading like fire in dry grass.
Vidar
Quote from: CuriousChris on July 23, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
Why would you think anyone would steal that from you? If you published full and complete drawings. The internet would do the rest for you. you could never be supplanted. also if you were not interested in the money then you could file a patent application and release the details IN FULL. everyone could verify the patent for you and make it easier for you to get the full patent. and you would still have the option of monetizing the patent.
Or copyright the design, it would be your design for 75 years! better protection than a patent.
just my thoughts
CC
Thanks, I will also go the copyright route as it does not seem to have roadblocks in it That thought never occured to me.
Tom
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 24, 2011, 08:58:40 AM
Thanks, I will also go the copyright route as it does not seem to have roadblocks in it That thought never occured to me.
Tom
Tom congratulations on a self-runner. Nice to see some success stories. Can you share with us your theory of how it must work? Where the energy comes from etc.
(added) Quote from Copyright a Design - "Copyrights are meant to protect original creative works, such as music, fine art, literature, poems and dance. Only actual works themselves can be copyrighted, not the methods used to create them. A technical design for an invention is something that must be patented, not copyrighted."
Read more: How to Copyright a Design | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_5013155_copyright-design.html#ixzz1T2vEEImV
If you have a few years to wait for some company to give you money for your idea I suggest on line self patent pending approach to protect your works until you get some backing, unless you want to go the
open source route which gives you credit for your invention but leaves you with much small amounts of money to be made from your demo units and interviews etc.
One thing, you do stand to have your patent and device taken by the clause for "National Security Reasons" as you may know, if you go the patent route.
One good thing about the Copyright route is that it would help protect your writings and may help protect the fact that you were the orginal inventor if that is what you want.
Thanks
Bill
Well, the first post contains an understandable description of how this device was constructed, has anyone tried to duplicate it's operation?
Quote from: lumen on July 25, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
Well, the first post contains an understandable description of how this device was constructed, has anyone tried to duplicate it's operation?
Thats exactly why I took the posts down. Lack of real interest. As far as I know only one person bought the materials and then he quit contacting me. A mistake. I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there. Only two sphere magnets and another inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
Tom
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 25, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Thats exactly why I took the posts down. Lack of real interest. As far as I know only one person bought the materials and then he quit contacting me. A mistake. I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there. Only two sphere magnets and another inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
Tom
Hi Tom,
I didn´t see any video any more,
but I´m very interested personally; that´s really NO mistake!
Where are "materials" to be bought? Give me a helpful hint, please!
Best regards
Manfred.
Tom, maybe you could sell kits for those who would like to experiment with your motor?
Copyright your instructions.
If I remember correctly, your video showed that you have an incredible ability to be persistant.
I am having trouble understanding how you get two magnetic spheres in repulsion for any length of time. It would be very hard to keep them from attracting each other?
Tom,
If you have something working and you want to sell kits or even just need a hundred prototypes to sell on Ebay , I have several CNC machines. Your setup sounds fairly simple so turn around would be short. I suppose a small working device on Ebay would sell about 2 Million, at $100 each? Maybe contact someone in China!
Quote from: maw2432 on July 25, 2011, 05:12:55 PM
Tom, maybe you could sell kits for those who would like to experiment with your motor?
Copyright your instructions.
If I remember correctly, your video showed that you have an incredible ability to be persistant.
I am having trouble understanding how you get two magnetic spheres in repulsion for any length of time. It would be very hard to keep them from attracting each other?
Epoxy them in a repel mode and let the epoxy cure keeping the magnets still all the while. I did just that.
I am going to make a video showing this device running as soon as I get another component replacement not mentioned. That component is the key part that makes the device operate and will be covered. Now I am sure skeptics will cry fake with a cover on not even knowing what its all about. I dont do fakes.
My game plan is such:
Patenting is out. Money down a government rathole unless you are a millionare. So another option is to make this a PUBLIC DOMAIN invention where all I will recieve is a ata boy then forgoten.
For all my efforts I would like take in a little cash for charity puposes so I am planning to video the device as above and place the video on the You Tube.
At that time I also will post the devce on Ebay linking the video on You Tube to it and see where that leads.
No takers then it goes Public Domain and I can kick back and watch what greed is capable of doing. At least then it becomes alive in todays market place and alive for individual replication.
Tom
Tom
So we get to turn the page on the old ways? Sounds like a very big day!!
One we have been waiting on for a long time!
Thanks Tom I truly hope you proceed to share ...........
It is the right thing to do.......
Chet
Tom,
i must commend you.
you seem to be an honorable person with the right goals in mind.
im glad you see the light about the patenting idea. sad isnt it?
Those of us who are Tesla fans (who isn't) have an acute sense of disillusionment dont we? LOL
i do remember following your videos with much interest, but didnt post to the threads as they were forwarded by hartiberlin so i didnt know if you were actually on here or not.
is this device based on the one with the magnet that looked like a big hockey puck with a hole in it?
i could go on, but i think you know the one im talking about.
if so, i think that was one of the most novel ideas ive seen in a long time.
i do hope that i will get a chance to build or buy one of them someday.
LC
This is something interesting! I just setup a few simulations in Maxwell based on this idea, and I think it actually works. Even better, after some changes, it can be made to work even without using gravity.
This is good because in this forced condition without using gravity, it could operate at very high RPM. The simulation uses a 3" diameter disk 1/8" thick and two cylinder magnets 1/2 diameter 1" long. A ball pivot point 1" above the disk magnet center. The two other magnets are used in different ways to create the forced condition and to provide .018 Newton meters of torque on a rotating disk mounter below the 3" disk magnet holding the two cylinder magnets.
I don't want to say too much as it's not my idea, but the simulator indicates it does work!
I will probably build one myself for testing and report back if it works or not.
Thanks Tom,
I had this same idea many years ago, but could not put it together.
It was your success that renewed my interest!
Quote from: lumen on July 26, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
This is something interesting! I just setup a few simulations in Maxwell based on this idea, and I think it actually works. Even better, after some changes, it can be made to work even without using gravity.
This is good because in this forced condition without using gravity, it could operate at very high RPM. The simulation uses a 3" diameter disk 1/8" thick and two cylinder magnets 1/2 diameter 1" long. A ball pivot point 1" above the disk magnet center. The two other magnets are used in different ways to create the forced condition and to provide .018 Newton meters of torque on a rotating disk mounter below the 3" disk magnet holding the two cylinder magnets.
I don't want to say too much as it's not my idea, but the simulator indicates it does work!
I will probably build one myself for testing and report back if it works or not.
Thanks Tom,
I had this same idea many years ago, but could not put it together.
It was your success that renewed my interest!
Lumen,
Yes, all credit should go to Tom for his persistence.
He has been a great contributor to OU over the years with all his demo's and wonderful inventions.
I look forward to seeing his release video of a working proto-type motor.
I think we should all give Tom a big thanks for his great contributions to science and our world.
Thank you again Tom.
Bill
Quote from: lumen on July 26, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
This is something interesting! I just setup a few simulations in Maxwell based on this idea, and I think it actually works. Even better, after some changes, it can be made to work even without using gravity.
This is good because in this forced condition without using gravity, it could operate at very high RPM. The simulation uses a 3" diameter disk 1/8" thick and two cylinder magnets 1/2 diameter 1" long. A ball pivot point 1" above the disk magnet center. The two other magnets are used in different ways to create the forced condition and to provide .018 Newton meters of torque on a rotating disk mounter below the 3" disk magnet holding the two cylinder magnets.
I don't want to say too much as it's not my idea, but the simulator indicates it does work!
I will probably build one myself for testing and report back if it works or not.
Thanks Tom,
I had this same idea many years ago, but could not put it together.
It was your success that renewed my interest!
You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.
Second scenario:
The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it untill it reaches a distance then it stops.
Third scenario:
Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously Thats where I am at now
Tom
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Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 27, 2011, 09:40:03 PM
Third scenario:
Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously.
You mean sphere or ring magnet ? You were using ring magnets - design change ?
Tom
You must have an amazing mind to have achieved success where so many have failed!
On to whom much is given .......Much is required!!
Don't let this achievment just blow in the wind..........
you will never control something this big,
Take this bull by the horns !![Steer]
TEACH!!
We've never been this way before !!
Chet
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 27, 2011, 09:40:03 PM
You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.
Second scenario:
The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it untill it reaches a distance then it stops.
Third scenario:
Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously Thats where I am at now
Tom
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Tom,
Does the device start out slow then accelerate to some faster RPM limit?
How long have you left it running?
If you need any help with custom parts or design work to get this project moving, I would be happy to assist you.
Quote from: Airstriker on July 28, 2011, 03:51:43 AM
You mean sphere or ring magnet ? You were using ring magnets - design change ?
Sphere magnets. Ring magnets were to heavy and I found I did not need gravity at all.
Tom
Quote from: lumen on July 28, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Tom,
Does the device start out slow then accelerate to some faster RPM limit?
How long have you left it running?
This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.
I would like to find someone that can cut a 3/8 inch diameter titanium rod and thread one end of it to 16 threads per inch spec.
All done without marring or scratching up the rod. Thats a power drive shaft Titanium is extremely hard to machine. I have a long rod to cut if anyone is capable of doing this. I am using a grade 316 non magnetic stainless steel rod at present.
Tom
If you need any help with custom parts or design work to get this project moving, I would be happy to assist you.
Where are the current links to the video's, the other links seem broken.
thanks.
Jerry
Hi Guys,
A one year countdown starts whenever I post anything directly describing my for sale unpatented device in DETAIL or post a video on the You Tube describing it. That means its PUBLIC DOMAIN and I have 1 year to patent it from date of posting. No one except me as the original inventor can do this during that 1 year time frame. After that the device is fair game for anyone to patent.
A patent lawyer gave me that advice.
This works beautiful for me as the whole world will now know how to build it. Whomever contacts me during the 1 year time frame can set up arrangements with me to purchase patening rights knowing full well that anyone in the world can construct it. If interested partys do not contact me before the years end then they risk their competition patening the device first I loose after 1 year but its worth the risk to me.
Its a win-win situation for the world and me.
Tom
Tom
A link to Titanium bolts on Ebay
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=p3841.m39.l1313&_nkw=titanium%20bolts&_sacat=&rvr_id=250980462170&clk_rvr_id=250980462170&rawquery=used+titanium+bolts&MT_ID=338&crlp=50861566_9887&tt_encode=raw&keyword=titanium+bolts&geo_id=491
I am not a wealthy man by any standard ,but I will pay for your Test bolt
with Paypal .
No strings attached to me .............EVER!
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Tom,
The titanium bolt would probably work too. I was a CNC machinist for 15yrs then a design engineer for 15yrs and I have a shed full of industrial CNC equipment for any purpose I desire. I just made some titanium parts for SPAWARS and it's not a problem. I also have TIG, wire and stick welders so I can fabricate parts from most metals.
If you have a year to patent, then maybe you could design in CAD a working device and just sell plans on the net! You might be surprised how much you would earn in a year!
Quote from: lumen on July 28, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
Tom,
The titanium bolt would probably work too. I was a CNC machinist for 15yrs then a design engineer for 15yrs and I have a shed full of industrial CNC equipment for any purpose I desire. I just made some titanium parts for SPAWARS and it's not a problem. I also have TIG, wire and stick welders so I can fabricate parts from most metals.
If you have a year to patent, then maybe you could design in CAD a working device and just sell plans on the net! You might be surprised how much you would earn in a year!
The titanium rod I need is 3/8 inches in diameter, 5 3/4 inches long, with a 1 3/8 inch tread on one end of the rod. 16 threads per inch.
To hard for me to cut and thread with the equipment I have. All I would do is scratch up the rods surface. I already have a 12 inch section of rod to work with.
I am trying for the most uncomplicated/inexpensive route to do all of this. Patenting can turn into a costly mess which will go no where after spending a fortune. Anyhow I already know the US patent office does not take patent applications for overunity or perpetual motion devices. What catagory this device might fall into is unknown to me Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case. ????????????
put some blades on it and call it a ceiling fan. LOL
:)
Would love to see some pics or video for this.
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 28, 2011, 01:43:15 PM
The titanium rod I need is 3/8 inches in diameter, 5 3/4 inches long, with a 1 3/8 inch tread on one end of the rod. 16 threads per inch.
To hard for me to cut and thread with the equipment I have. All I would do is scratch up the rods surface. I already have a 12 inch section of rod to work with.
I am trying for the most uncomplicated/inexpensive route to do all of this. Patenting can turn into a costly mess which will go no where after spending a fortune. Anyhow I already know the US patent office does not take patent applications for overunity or perpetual motion devices. What catagory this device might fall into is unknown to me Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case. ????????????
The last sentence got me thinking : is this the only direction of rotation or can you turn it counter-clockwise ?I wish I could see your device running on opposite hemisphere ? what do you think about it ?
Or describe it as a wind generator that needs less wind surface area... ;)
Quote from: lumen on July 26, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
This is something interesting! I just setup a few simulations in Maxwell based on this idea, and I think it actually works. Even better, after some changes, it can be made to work even without using gravity.
This is good because in this forced condition without using gravity, it could operate at very high RPM. The simulation uses a 3" diameter disk 1/8" thick and two cylinder magnets 1/2 diameter 1" long. A ball pivot point 1" above the disk magnet center. The two other magnets are used in different ways to create the forced condition and to provide .018 Newton meters of torque on a rotating disk mounter below the 3" disk magnet holding the two cylinder magnets.
I don't want to say too much as it's not my idea, but the simulator indicates it does work!
I will probably build one myself for testing and report back if it works or not.
Thanks Tom,
I had this same idea many years ago, but could not put it together.
It was your success that renewed my interest!
Great Lumen !
Please post some simulation output pictures of your simulation or
if you can also a GIF Animation or youtube video from
sequenced single pictures into a short movie.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
Thanks again Tom,
I am sure your soon to come (in the next few days or so) video will give the OU community a real lift.
I am looking forward to it.
Bill
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 28, 2011, 07:39:38 PM
Great Lumen !
Please post some simulation output pictures of your simulation or
if you can also a GIF Animation or youtube video from
sequenced single pictures into a short movie.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
I am trying to help Tom get the real device operating to his specs. so we can all see it working.
It may not be a good idea to show more info on this for a few days until he is ready.
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 28, 2011, 10:50:03 AMA one year countdown starts whenever I post anything directly describing my for sale unpatented device in DETAIL or post a video on the You Tube describing it. That means its PUBLIC DOMAIN and I have 1 year to patent it from date of posting. No one except me as the original inventor can do this during that 1 year time frame. After that the device is fair game for anyone to patent.
A patent lawyer gave me that advice.
What worries me with that advice is if the invents act is passed and it has already passed several hurdles it may render that advice obsolete. also it may only apply for the US, if you are not a US citizen, you may not be covered by the first to invent rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_Invents_Act
So I only say this so you tread with caution.
A provisional patent provides the protection you need and is reasonably cheap. Like the advice given it gives you 12 months of guaranteed protection... In America only.
http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/types/provapp.jsp
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee2009september15.htm
On the perpetual motion machine question If you can't prove where the energy comes from you can't patent it. Even if you prove it works, saying its Zero Point Energy or whatever still won't work. I have heard of patents being denied (think Moray radiant energy device http://thmoray.org/). I believe its a law that actually prevents PM devices being patented, so the patent offices arm is twisted and has no choice.
But then again I have seen devices which lay claim to overunity being granted so its a confusing issue. See MEG http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/Patents/MEGPatent.htm
This patent by the way clearly does not work. It took me a long while to understand why it doesn't, but sadly it doesn't.
Anyway whatever you choose I wish you luck. I am so close to needing to do the same its scary. I have a number of inventions I want to protect, but it is an expensive and worrisome game.
CC
Patents ?
We Ain't gonna change this world By fitting into Their existing Business model for suppresion [the patent office]!
Open Source ..............
If you really want to change the world
Be that Change........
Tom Has an Opportunity that Is amazing ,HUGE..........
A chance to change the world.........
Chet
PS Tom
I build and fabricate for a living ,I have found Most salesmen very helpful
when I am developing a prototype, they will do a lot of leg work for you, seeking out an Expert in the field has always yielded good results for me.
A link to Some Titanium "experts"
call the salesman in your area .
http://www.ticotitanium.com/contact-us/
Chet
Round we go again!
Tom,
Maybe you have discoverd a way to convert magnetocaloric effect into mechanical movement?
A magnetic material which enters a magnetic field, change its temperature. The change in temperature also change the magnetic properties. So you have a constant magnetic change which force the motor to run - just thoughts.
Vidar
Why not apply for the OU prize here on this forum? If the money collected so far is not enough for you, you can ask for more - I think people will donate a lot to see it fully uncovered. As a sweetener you can show the device operational but with the main "thing" covered. Of course you will get the money when it's fully uncovered and a test device is provided for Stefan to examine it.
If the sum of money collected this way is still not enough you can apply for other prizes also - I think there are actually quite many of them all over the world.
If that's still not enough, while waiting for the donations, you can prepare the mentioned CAD files and/or ready to assembly kits or fully operational devices.
If that's still not enough make the auctions with limited editions of the device (with unique numbers) - like "The first PM device in the world". There are actually plenty of people willing to have something like this on their desk.
If that's still not enough, for sure you will be invited for the conferences, interviews etc.
If that's still not enough, for sure you can apply for the Nobel prize ;>
Money, fame, without patents, without problems.
Chinese companies don't care about the patents. Their authorities say, that everything a human being invents belongs to every man on the planet.
So... let them even produce your device - so what ? After all you, me, them, everybody want to have this device at home. Enough money, business opportunities for everybody to benefit - including especially you.
One thing you have to be aware of - most of the rare earth magnets come from China. I'm not sure how they will use this advantage ;/
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/mixed-greens-china-slashes-rare-earth-exports-22-m-for-trucker-tech-and-mor/
Rare Earth materiales such as in neodymium magnets are rapidly increasing in costs. I import speaker drivers from China. These speakers have neodymium magnets, and the prices on the drivers have increased 120% in one year. The magnets alone has increased about 400% (!!!) in one year.
So why use neodymium, if a traditional ferrite magnet (upscaled) can do the same job cheaper?
Vidar
@Tom,
You really should be looking at getting a world patent. Just think, if you got only $1 royalty for every sale, you would be multi-Billionair in no time.
Just think, you can sit at the same table with Bill Gates and other big cheese.
Play your cards right. Contact Exxon. Don't partner with any small companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetocaloric_effect
Wow! Can't believe MasterPlaster said that..look up. That's the wrong people to contact. Unless you want to end up dead. Lets see you make a device that produces energy for very long time. They are in the business to sale something that burns very quickly. If you take a billion dollars a day from them I think they won't be too happy with you.. Just saying.
Friendly
I believe the Plaster was making a Funny!![sick]
An Old Lawyer friend always said to me
"Never give a man a stick to beat you with"
Its How I have grown to feel about Patenting an OU device!
Open Source!!
Tom Knows This.........
Chet
@chet
I actually am in tune with what you said in your post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10840.msg296420#msg296420
But Tom seems to be having second thoughts about sharing!
Once one gets the $ $ s in his eyes, noble intentions fly out of the window.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on July 29, 2011, 12:25:10 PM
@chet
I actually am in tune with what you said in your post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10840.msg296420#msg296420
But Tom seems to be having second thoughts about sharing!
Once one gets the $ $ s in his eyes, noble intentions fly out of the window.
If we look at the history, several people have made true over unity devices untill the day they promised to share it. It has been more threads at ou.com which has made our eyes wide open - promesing designs that "must work". Those threads has allways died out and ended with a big yawn!
I really hope he will share his machine - if it REALLY works, but history tells me (that would be my opinion) that this is not a real deal unless he has succeed in harnessing energy from the surroundings in a very efficient way...
Vidar
Hi Guys,
First off I dont intent to patent this device as the patent office does not recognize overunity or perpetual motion devices. Anyhow and big oil money will stand in my way to block any marketing.
Looking across the ocean a large country we all know does not recognize patents anyhow. They can take any device and produce it more cheaply than the inventor could then market it worldwide.
I am on a fixed retirement pension and cash poor.
My next step is to show to the world a working prototype within the next week or so.
Having said that is there anyone out there interested after seeing the above working would spring for a purchase of four 1.5 inch neodium sphere magnets and a enough left over to buy a set of large size quality shop drills.
I have enough in me now I can make a much larger and powerful device. No guarantee of any payback once the items above are bought and delivered to me. I belive now its the source of power in those UFOs we all keep hearing about. How much do 4 powerfull sphere magnets weigh? This device is that light and powerfull.
Tom
I can scratch up 50.00 U.S.and if you make a list of the bit sizes you need I'll see what I have in stock !
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Hi Tom,
If you truly have a working magnet motor with no strings attached (Mylow), I'll pitch in some cash. A working magnet motor would be ground breaking and something we could use now. Setup a Paypal donation link or PM me.
Tom
Here is a link for 1.5 Neo sphere for 37 bucks
http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=43
set up a deal with the vendor
I'll pay for two with paypal.[unless you can find them cheaper]
No strings attached, you've done plenty for this community!
Chet
Hi Tom, Chet
I'll pitch in for the other two magnets with paypal to bring you up to your four.
No strings here either.
Dreamthink build
Nice ;D
@Tom, I am quite sure you can remain anonymous in this arrangement
Just set up A Purchase order with the vendor and we can Submit payment towards the PO.
Or PM / Email if you have another vendor you prefer
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Quote from: ramset on July 29, 2011, 10:13:39 PM
Tom
Here is a link for 1.5 Neo sphere for 37 bucks
http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=43
set up a deal with the vendor
I'll pay for two with paypal.[unless you can find them cheaper]
No strings attached, you've done plenty for this community!
Chet
WARNINGThe site linked results in a warning from google. It appears the site may or may not be safe. The reason that google has listed it as hazardous is because a large number (1877 ) sites on the same host have malicious software on them. This indicates that the host has been seriously compromised.
*I* would not trade with them. perhaps an email to them may help. I would not like to be in their shoes at present. business would suck.
CC
Guys,
I am happy to help out as well.
Let me know how to easily get some money across to you.
Penno
Chris
I'm not a magnet salesmen ,Its not the site that matters ,we can get the magnets for Tom "where ever".
What Matters is Already Happening ,and anything we can do as a community to move this Forward will be wonderful..........
Speaking of Wonderful
A magnetic Sphere...........Ironic ,We live on one ,been spinning pretty good for a long time now!
That Nature thing again............
Funny............. { a very good kind of Funny]
Chet
PS
Penno
Good stuff..........
It was only a warning. I wouldn't do any commerce with them, but yes there are plenty of places to buy magnets. I have got some excellent deals on Ebay.
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 29, 2011, 08:33:28 PM
Hi Guys,
First off I dont intent to patent this device as the patent office does not recognize overunity or perpetual motion devices. Anyhow and big oil money will stand in my way to block any marketing.
Looking across the ocean a large country we all know does not recognize patents anyhow. They can take any device and produce it more cheaply than the inventor could then market it worldwide.
I am on a fixed retirement pension and cash poor.
My next step is to show to the world a working prototype within the next week or so.
Having said that is there anyone out there interested after seeing the above working would spring for a purchase of four 1.5 inch neodium sphere magnets and a enough left over to buy a set of large size quality shop drills.
I have enough in me now I can make a much larger and powerful device. No guarantee of any payback once the items above are bought and delivered to me. I belive now its the source of power in those UFOs we all keep hearing about. How much do 4 powerfull sphere magnets weigh? This device is that light and powerfull.
This is excactly what I've been warning about in another thread at this forum. All you need is only 50 bucks or so. If you smoke or drink, then quit that for a week and you're good to pay for all you need. It is not much money youre asking for, but you can impossibly be that poor. No offence!
I have understood that you already got one working prototype (how else could you be so sure it works). If you don't have a camcorder, then borrow one from one of your friends or family. Then record the machine while running - outdoor far away from any powersource, invisible strings, hidden batteries etc.
Or maybe you was up to something else?
Vidar
Vidar
These Big Neo's are VERY expensive !00's of dollars ,I don't believe Tom inferred that he needed them to show us a working device ,I think he wants to keep experimenting with this to Further develop it?
It is His Baby.................
This is Probably the most exciting thing thats ever happened in his Life
and he wants to keep going....
I'm so excited I can't sleep and its not even My Baby ;D
I have no problem supporting Tom in this Venue,As a matter of fact I welcome the opportunity.
I am not alone in these feelings , witness the comments of others here.
This is good stuff!
I think Stephan should set up a Link or something to help this along,[finance]
Opportunity Knocks ,Not just for Tom ,For all...
This is a chance to Act as a community ,A chance we need to Take!!
You want to Change the World
Be that Change..........
Chet
Atleast you are smart enough to know that patenting such a thing is a waste of time, money and intelligence. I'm sure many are willing to donate to get your prototype up and running but don't make the same past mistakes. Keep it small and simple, get it replicated then go big.
Hi All,
@CuriousChris,
Thanks for letting us know of the website. I have no issues with changing to another reliable source.
@Vidar,
I understand there is risk involved, no guarantees. I'm seeing this as a chance for Tom to eliminate any financial obstacles to hopefully release it back to the community for all our benefit.
@Chet,
I have a good feeling on this also. I think his first design had potential.
DreamThinkBuild
Feels Good .....And being the inhabiter Of a Magnetic Sphere that Spins thru space in Perpetuity I think someone else felt it was a good design also??
We have a member here XOO13 [I think]?
He spent BooKoo time on Archer's Magnet motor ,The one SmOky2 had running [and is modding/replicating again]
Any How this Man Absolutely Swore that Sphere Magnets held the Key
and in 2008-9 when he was doing his Experiments you just couldn't get any Neo Spheres ............
That always stuck with me ,He is a Good OpenSource Engineer!
Now you can get Neo Spheres!!
@Lumen
Sir, do you think a big square Neo can be "Spheered Up"
On a CNC??
Can they Be machined with out Detrimental effects?
Or Built in Sections?
will the Domains go Batty?
They're a lot cheaper than Spheres?
Thanks
Chet
PS
@broli
Good to see you here !
Hate to be the stick in the mud here...but Does the original still work? I think I read somewhere on this thread that you are trying to get it to run again...Also, changing the design usually doesn't work...even if you are the original inventor...Sorry to be negative and I know I don't post that often but I have been coming to this site for years just reading ( I know I should experiment) and I have seen several respectable people here have a working unit for a little bit, make a change and it never works again. Then trying to improve on it and it never works....I guess I would like to see the original videos again...which means you have a camcorder, and would like to see some kind of working device before I give out my hard earn cash....I do wish you the very best and I hope this is the one to bring light and love to this dirty planet.....
Oh here it is...
QuoteI am having trouble right now positioning my runner magnet in the exact spot to make the device operate again.
Just wondering if you got that going again?
I think if you drill thru a magnet the heat from friction, and the vibration will demagnetise it.. If you think you can drill thru a 100 dollar sphere magnet and not destroy it then you better get a patent on that process....I could be wrong...if you were to drill a very small hole and kept it cool you might be able to save some of the magnets strength...anyone done that before and know for sure?
Quote from: ramset on July 30, 2011, 10:33:59 AM
DreamThinkBuild
Feels Good .....And being the inhabiter Of a Magnetic Sphere that Spins thru space in Perpetuity I think someone else felt it was a good design also??
We have a member here XOO13 [I think]?
He spent BooKoo time on Archer's Magnet motor ,The one SmOky2 had running [and is modding/replicating again]
Any How this Man Absolutely Swore that Sphere Magnets held the Key
and in 2008-9 when he was doing his Experiments you just couldn't get any Neo Spheres ............
That always stuck with me ,He is a Good OpenSource Engineer!
Now you can get Neo Spheres!!
@Lumen
Sir, do you think a big square Neo can be "Spheered Up"
On a CNC??
Can they Be machined with out Detrimental effects?
Or Built in Sections?
will the Domains go Batty?
They're a lot cheaper than Spheres?
Thanks
Chet
PS
@broli
Good to see you here !
Chet,
I hear Neo's are brittle and difficult to machine. Grinding to some shape should be possible but the grinding dust is toxic and also clings to the magnet making this process not the best either.
I never had the opportunity to machine any Neo's but have done some work with alnico and ceramic.
Probably not worth machining if you don't need to.
Lumen
Thanks ,I suspect we'll be learning a lot more about what we can do with Sphere magnets,
I get the feeling we're about to turn the Page on the old ways.........
On the 3rd magnetic Sphere from the sun.
Chet
@Tom: Why cant you just use a square magnet with wheels on it? A sphere magnet should not be different from other magnets. You have a north and south on other magnets too... Just thoughts.
Vidar
Quote from: ramset on July 30, 2011, 10:33:59 AM
Now you can get Neo Spheres!!
@Lumen
Sir, do you think a big square Neo can be "Spheered Up"
On a CNC??
Can they Be machined with out Detrimental effects?
Or Built in Sections?
will the Domains go Batty?
They're a lot cheaper than Spheres?
You cannot machine neodymium magnets, That nice shiny exterior is chrome plating, the actual active portion of the magnet is a compressed sintered powder of various elements.
They are also quite fragile. the plating helps keep them strong but the core material can fragment easily, they also must be kept dry as they corrode easily, as well as holding it together another reason for the chrome plating is to keep moisture out.
http://www.ndfeb-info.com/neodymium_magnets_made.aspx
As mentioned by lumen, they are also made of toxic material, and the swarthe will damage your mill.
In short DO NOT attempt to machine a neodymium magnet.
Quote from: Low-Q on July 30, 2011, 03:56:07 PM
@Tom: Why cant you just use a square magnet with wheels on it? A sphere magnet should not be different from other magnets. You have a north and south on other magnets too... Just thoughts.
Vidar
I think the main purpose of the sphere magnet would be the field alignment, not its ability to roll, but Tom can correct me on this.
Friendenergy is right here, does the original work? if not why couldnt it be achieved again?
All inventors suffer from the same issue. "If I just try this it might work?" If you don't know the EXACT reason you are modifying the design you shouldn't bother. randomly trying different setups will only end in wasting time, and a design that still doesn't work.
CC
Chris
I have a small plating biz and will not be able to resist the urge To "play" with a Neo if it becomes necessary at some point .
Chrome is no defence against Porosity,and stripping it off and Fussing about
with it could reveal more than Conjecture?
As Far as Poisons and Danger ,Like I said I've had a small plating Biz for more than 20 yrs, poisons galore, and Quite dangerous if safety protocols are not followed.
Anyhow ,Tom has been Experimenting for 30 years with this tech
Its not his first summer,he seems to have Gotten the Scent
on this elusive OU Beasty.
I pray He continues to share.............
And if he has a problem ? The Boyz Here are more than able to help!
Chet
This is a repost of the first post in this thread ,I have also invited some of the fellows from Tom's thread at the energetic forum to have a look!
Tom
Quote:
I have decided to let you and the world in on all I have done. YOU CAN POST THIS LETTER ON ANY WEB SITE YOU WISH. I hope others give it a try using their own ideas as they go along. I will send you a photo tomorrow of my device that still need runner magnet work.
My idea has to be executed with great care and there is a lot of adjusting and experimenting to do. If not done correctly with care this device will not work.
I am having trouble right now positioning my runner magnet in the exact spot to make the device operate again.
We are only interested in the repel mode Attract is out If you find the magnets attract each other you are not going to have results.
Here is how it works:
You have a wooden Lazy Susan turntable in front of you made with very thick wood. So much the better if the bearings are 316 grade stainless steel. My bearings are not. Try to stay away from using ferrous materials
In the exact center of the top of the lazy susan drill a 3/8 inch hole and insert a 316 grade stainless steel or brass rod. Threaded is good.
That rod should have a pointed top end so a plastic nylon ball with a 3/8 inch hole drilled half way through it can be placed on the top of the rod. That ball should be able to rotate easily through 360 degrees.
I used a 1 inch diameter plastic ball knob and coated it with light grease.
Next comes the fun part. Buy a very large powerful ceramic ring magnet having a large diameter but small center hole. My magnet diameter is 4.5 inches with a center hole of 1.75 inches. It weighs 5.5 pounds.!!! I placed a "brass bearing" inside that hole and now my inside diameter was 1 inch.
Before you put the bearing through the ring magnets center you must solder or weld a round non ferrous cap to the top side of the bearing.
Now epoxy the capped bearing inside the ring magnets center.hole.
After the epoxy sets you take the ball with the drilled hole and put it on the senter shaft so it rotates. Grease the ball head
Now you take your modified monster ring magnet and place the BRASS CUP you just made over the plastic ball and set the magnet down.
Notice now that the huge ring magnet now can not only pivot but turn and tilt as well. YOU JUST MADE A HUGE RING MAGNET BALL JOINT.
Next is the part that will try your patients.
You need a short very powerful neo rod magnet. I used two stacked 1.5 inch long ,75 inch diameter rod magnet sections. My total lenght was 3 inches.
Take that rod magnet and mount on a 45 degree wood section so that the magnet side that is up repels the huge ring magnet. You should be able to place that runner magnet """DIRECTLY UNDER THE RING MAGNET."""
That action forces the ring magnet on top of the runner to TILT UP if you did that correcty. YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPERIMENT TO FIND JUST THE RIGHT SPOT.
ANY ATTRACTION IS A NO NO
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
Tom
P.S: My ring magnet will always have part of its weight pushing down on the runner magnet under it. In otherwards the ring magnet will always be tilted as it turns over the runner magnet spinning around and under it.
I also forgot to mention that the runner magnet not only is mounted on a 45 degree ramp but is also fixed at a 45 degree angle to the center axis of device. This positioning allows the lazy susan to turn.
Photos or a video will follow later today and you can post both the previous letter and the photos or video.. This letter also
Tom
Let us hope that Tom can get his machine working again. I do not hope this machine is just one of the numberless other "working machines" which suddenly went into problems BEFORE the inventor did have time to actually get the working machine om tape. Also typical, is the problems with money. The camcorder does not longer work etc. etc. Often the "required final adjustments" takes forever, because the inventor did actually NOT have a working prototype at all. Let us hope that isn't the case this time.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on August 01, 2011, 03:47:23 AM
Let us hope that Tom can get his machine working again.
I don't recall him saying it does no longer work ;> He only said that at the beginning of his work on this device. Now it's working and that's why the videos are gone. Am I right Tom ?
Quote from: ramset on July 30, 2011, 08:17:43 PM
Chris
I have a small plating biz and will not be able to resist the urge To "play" with a Neo if it becomes necessary at some point .
Chrome is no defence against Porosity,and stripping it off and Fussing about
with it could reveal more than Conjecture?
As Far as Poisons and Danger ,Like I said I've had a small plating Biz for more than 20 yrs, poisons galore, and Quite dangerous if safety protocols are not followed.
Chet
Point 24 has some more to say about attacking neo magnets with heavy machinery. The fire bit is worrisome.
http://www.gaussboys.com/pages.php?pageid=11
Quote from: Low-Q on August 01, 2011, 03:47:23 AM
Let us hope that Tom can get his machine working again. I do not hope this machine is just one of the numberless other "working machines" which suddenly went into problems BEFORE the inventor did have time to actually get the working machine om tape. Also typical, is the problems with money. The camcorder does not longer work etc. etc. Often the "required final adjustments" takes forever, because the inventor did actually NOT have a working prototype at all. Let us hope that isn't the case this time.
Vidar
Its often the case the inventor assumes it would work. and pre announces their breakthrough, sometimes they hold the magnet with their hand (in the case of a magnet motor) and get so excited thinking 'eureka it works' when in fact its their hand and involuntary motion that causes it to work. as soon as they affix the magnet it stops working.
Unfortunately I can see nothing in Toms description that leads me to believe it would work. Perhaps I just don't understand the layout. As I see it, as the lazy susan turns the neodymium magnet must lift the large ferrite ring magnet. There is as I see it no reason for this to happen, once the ring magnet has tilted it will stay that way. gravity will see to it.
I did like the simple gimbal (ball and socket joint) arrangement though.
CC
Chris
I'm sorry for being difficult regaurding the dangers of Fussing with Neo's
Having started My adult Life at 14 years old Hanging onto Recips with the prop screaming Hairs away,I learned very early in life to be careful..........
And as far as Fire Hazard ?Jets and Turbines made me very cautious there!{very]
Regaurding The above first post of Tom's on this thread,I don't really see a reference in that early June post to "Spheres" or multiple spheres?
Something big took place in those 30 or so days playing with the Susan?
I suppose I reposted it to try and see where Spheres would evolve from this design?
?
Chet
Hi all.
Tom wrote:
"My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER."
So he just uses 2 sphere magnets now.....which i have...all i need is a design to replicate. ;D
Scotty.
Scotty
Yes, One other "bit" is The 3/8 -16 Titanium rod ,I believe "Susy" is still in the Mix {the reccomended Hole size in the first description above].
Chet
PS
I love "No electronics"!!
Gentlemen ,its time to Start Playing with your Spheres [Neo's].
Let's hope Toms camcorder works. What we need now is a video of the d..mn thing. ;)
Vidar
I have to say this part sounds intriguing
Tom
Quote:
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
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@ Airstriker
You commented that a new vid was up [which dissapeared]
Was the "new vid" the device described above??
Did it have Spheres?
Thanks
Chet
Quote from: ramset on August 01, 2011, 06:05:11 PM
I have to say this part sounds intriguing
Tom
Quote:
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
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@ Airstriker
You commented that a new vid was up [which dissapeared]
Was the "new vid" the device described above??
Did it have Spheres?
Thanks
Chet
This is the one I was working on. I have not built anything yet but in the simulator I found a way to omit the gravity part. There is an interesting effect if the ball pivot point is at the correct distance from the magnet as this can be used as the vector point of two forces. At this point, it takes nothing to tilt the magnet and drive the rotor.
Just something to think about.
This is a repost of the first post in this thread ,I have also invited some of the fellows from Tom's thread at the energetic forum to have a look!
Tom
Quote:
I have decided to let you and the world in on all I have done. YOU CAN POST THIS LETTER ON ANY WEB SITE YOU WISH. I hope others give it a try using their own ideas as they go along. I will send you a photo tomorrow of my device that still need runner magnet work.
My idea has to be executed with great care and there is a lot of adjusting and experimenting to do. If not done correctly with care this device will not work.
I am having trouble right now positioning my runner magnet in the exact spot to make the device operate again.
We are only interested in the repel mode Attract is out If you find the magnets attract each other you are not going to have results.
Here is how it works:
You have a wooden Lazy Susan turntable in front of you made with very thick wood. So much the better if the bearings are 316 grade stainless steel. My bearings are not. Try to stay away from using ferrous materials
In the exact center of the top of the lazy susan drill a 3/8 inch hole and insert a 316 grade stainless steel or brass rod. Threaded is good.
That rod should have a pointed top end so a plastic nylon ball with a 3/8 inch hole drilled half way through it can be placed on the top of the rod. That ball should be able to rotate easily through 360 degrees.
I used a 1 inch diameter plastic ball knob and coated it with light grease.
Next comes the fun part. Buy a very large powerful ceramic ring magnet having a large diameter but small center hole. My magnet diameter is 4.5 inches with a center hole of 1.75 inches. It weighs 5.5 pounds.!!! I placed a "brass bearing" inside that hole and now my inside diameter was 1 inch.
Before you put the bearing through the ring magnets center you must solder or weld a round non ferrous cap to the top side of the bearing.
Now epoxy the capped bearing inside the ring magnets center.hole.
After the epoxy sets you take the ball with the drilled hole and put it on the senter shaft so it rotates. Grease the ball head
Now you take your modified monster ring magnet and place the BRASS CUP you just made over the plastic ball and set the magnet down.
Notice now that the huge ring magnet now can not only pivot but turn and tilt as well. YOU JUST MADE A HUGE RING MAGNET BALL JOINT.
Next is the part that will try your patients.
You need a short very powerful neo rod magnet. I used two stacked 1.5 inch long ,75 inch diameter rod magnet sections. My total lenght was 3 inches.
Take that rod magnet and mount on a 45 degree wood section so that the magnet side that is up repels the huge ring magnet. You should be able to place that runner magnet """DIRECTLY UNDER THE RING MAGNET."""
That action forces the ring magnet on top of the runner to TILT UP if you did that correcty. YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPERIMENT TO FIND JUST THE RIGHT SPOT.
ANY ATTRACTION IS A NO NO
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
Tom
P.S: My ring magnet will always have part of its weight pushing down on the runner magnet under it. In otherwards the ring magnet will always be tilted as it turns over the runner magnet spinning around and under it.
I also forgot to mention that the runner magnet not only is mounted on a 45 degree ramp but is also fixed at a 45 degree angle to the center axis of device. This positioning allows the lazy susan to turn.
Photos or a video will follow later today and you can post both the previous letter and the photos or video.. This letter also
Tom
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WE're starting to talk about this and the fact that Tom seemed to have moved to a Sphere design as posted here
Tom
Quote:
Hi all.
Tom wrote:
"My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER."
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The device seems to have heavily Evolved in one months time .
Lumens responce to the Original posted Lasy Susan design [pre Sphere]
Lumen
Quote:
This is the one I was working on. I have not built anything yet but in the simulator I found a way to omit the gravity part. There is an interesting effect if the ball pivot point is at the correct distance from the magnet as this can be used as the vector point of two forces. At this point, it takes nothing to tilt the magnet and drive the rotor.
Just something to think about.
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Thats Plenty to think about! ,To me in Tom's original description he seemed to be using Gravity to his Benefit?
Can you post any images ?
Also,
Perhaps Stefan can Email Tom back to see How things are going?
Thanks
Chet
Quote from: ramset on August 01, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Chris
I'm sorry for being difficult regaurding the dangers of Fussing with Neo's
...
Chet
I didnt think you were being difficult, sorry if I gave that impression. You obviously have a great deal of experience. So I'll ammend my warning to..
No you cant 'turn' a neo magnet unless you have a great deal of experience and have a electroplating business handy to re-plate the magnet after turning ;D
I wish Tom posted a video, or even a series of photo's of the original unit so we could visually identify the layout. maybe even play around with it and suggest improvements. many hands make light work.
If he believes his refinement improves the performance greatly then releasing the unimproved version should be no issue.
Tom?
What you could do is draw up all of the plans put it in an ebook and copyright it via the ECO website. Then publish the digital version on amazon and Barnes & Noble sell the book for 5.00 per copy ... Time that it would take once you have your guide on how to build it and how it works. will be 3 to 5 business days. Link to this guide and say if you want to learn all the specifics just purchase this. Then for each sale you will net 70% profits from amazon and I dunno about B&N but I would suspect you would be making approximately 3.00 per sale...
If you do this I will likely purchase a copy of your book/guide myself.
I bought this one guide actually online from a guy a chat with he kept yapping about how how to look and feeling younger so I did that and used it and it actually works I see that he has that published on amazon now you would be shocked at the information that is out there on different topics this one just had to do with releasing HGH production naturally: the foutain of youth... it was probably the best 3 bux that I spent I feel a lot more healthy since following this book call it whatever mental mojo or the real deal all I know is that it works I have slightly elevated energy levels and it seems that I can shake off aches and pains a bit easier.
But I the point I am getting to is I could think of worse things to waste cash on and I would likely purchase your book. As it is on a topic I find great interest in. At worst I saved myself from eating one less burger or whatever lol.
Total cost to you I think the ECO website says 35.00 but I am not sure if there is any hidden fees associated ... Anyhow good luck and thank you for making the logical choice to share the information public.
Tom comment july 25
quote:
I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there. Only two sphere magnets and another inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
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Tom responce july 27 to lumen Note""[previously [7 /26 he talked about replacing a component that had not been shared and then doing a video]
Quote from: lumen on July 27, 2011, 01:26:52 AMThis is something interesting! I just setup a few simulations in Maxwell based on this idea, and I think it actually works. Even better, after some changes, it can be made to work even without using gravity.
This is good because in this forced condition without using gravity, it could operate at very high RPM. The simulation uses a 3" diameter disk 1/8" thick and two cylinder magnets 1/2 diameter 1" long. A ball pivot point 1" above the disk magnet center. The two other magnets are used in different ways to create the forced condition and to provide .018 Newton meters of torque on a rotating disk mounter below the 3" disk magnet holding the two cylinder magnets.
I don't want to say too much as it's not my idea, but the simulator indicates it does work!
I will probably build one myself for testing and report back if it works or not.
Thanks Tom,
I had this same idea many years ago, but could not put it together.
It was your success that renewed my interest!
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Toms Comment on Lumens post,
Quote:
You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.
Second scenario:
The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it untill it reaches a distance then it stops.
Third scenario:
Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously Thats where I am at now
Tom
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7/28 Airstriker quotes a Tom post and asks a question
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 28, 2011, 03:40:03 AMThird scenario:
Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously
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Airstriker question to Tom
Quote:
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You mean sphere or ring magnet ? You were using ring magnets - design change ?
[Note This answers the Question were there any Vids from Tom on Sphere Magnets No]
7/28
Toms responce to Airstrikers question
Tom,
Quote:
Sphere magnets. Ring magnets were to heavy and I found I did not need gravity at all.
Tom
7/28
Tom posts this Lumen quote with out comment
[It appears to be Dialogue from some other place:
Lumen Quote:
Does the device start out slow then accelerate to some faster RPM limit?
How long have you left it running?
This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.
I would like to find someone that can cut a 3/8 inch diameter titanium rod and thread one end of it to 16 threads per inch spec.
All done without marring or scratching up the rod. Thats a power drive shaft Titanium is extremely hard to machine. I have a long rod to cut if anyone is capable of doing this. I am using a grade 316 non magnetic stainless steel rod at present.
Tom
If you need any help with custom parts or design work to get this project moving, I would be happy to assist you
Comment from Tom to lumen
The titanium rod I need is 3/8 inches in diameter, 5 3/4 inches long, with a 1 3/8 inch tread on one end of the rod. 16 threads per inch.
To hard for me to cut and thread with the equipment I have. All I would do is scratch up the rods surface. I already have a 12 inch section of rod to work with.
I am trying for the most uncomplicated/inexpensive route to do all of this. Patenting can turn into a costly mess which will go no where after spending a fortune. Anyhow I already know the US patent office does not take patent applications for overunity or perpetual motion devices. What catagory this device might fall into is unknown to me Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case.
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7 /30
Tom asks a question
Hi Guys,
First off I dont intent to patent this device as the patent office does not recognize overunity or perpetual motion devices. Anyhow and big oil money will stand in my way to block any marketing.
Looking across the ocean a large country we all know does not recognize patents anyhow. They can take any device and produce it more cheaply than the inventor could then market it worldwide.
I am on a fixed retirement pension and cash poor.
My next step is to show to the world a working prototype within the next week or so.
Having said that is there anyone out there interested after seeing the above working would spring for a purchase of four 1.5 inch neodium sphere magnets and a enough left over to buy a set of large size quality shop drills.
I have enough in me now I can make a much larger and powerful device. No guarantee of any payback once the items above are bought and delivered to me. I belive now its the source of power in those UFOs we all keep hearing about. How much do 4 powerfull sphere magnets weigh? This device is that light and powerfull.
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Tom checks out of the forum 2 hrs after the above post and hasn't returned since
[According to the "history" in his public profile]
End
Chet
[actually begining]
Curios Chris
Yes we should try and put this into "picture" form?
Hi All,
Sorry for all the excitement about this but Lumen seems to point out a better way take it to the next level. Don't know?? I am taking a long rest as this has to be perfect - not something that works on and off or not at all.
I just have a very small workspace and cant make precision parts and dont have a aid of a computer to figure out things.
Will be back much later to see what happens.
Tom
Quote from: ramset on August 01, 2011, 06:05:11 PM
@ Airstriker
You commented that a new vid was up [which dissapeared]
Was the "new vid" the device described above??
Did it have Spheres?
All the videos (3) were about the same device which is described in the first post here. No spheres were used. Also none of the videos showed a working device. Just an idea.
To be honest I've already started the replication, but having trouble the the stability of the whole setup - the magnets are to strong and all my plastic bearings are not handling it very well. Lazy susan idea is perfect, because the whole platform is very stable. But as I'm using much smaller magnets, I need to find a way to build something similar to lazy susan but lighter. Any ideas ?
Anyway I'm still not sure if the oryginal idea will work - there seems to be something missing in it.
Quote from: magnetman12003 on August 02, 2011, 11:57:16 PM
Hi All,
Sorry for all the excitement about this but Lumen seems to point out a better way take it to the next level. Don't know?? I am taking a long rest as this has to be perfect - not something that works on and off or not at all.
I just have a very small workspace and cant make precision parts and dont have a aid of a computer to figure out things.
Will be back much later to see what happens.
Tom
In the mean time you can try something else, or just break free from any OU thoughts for a long while. Those thoughts can make someones mind crazy. I have a very small workspace too. In my apartment I got max 1.5m x 2m of workspace (90% of this space is occupied by parts, riggs, desk, drawers, airplanes, tools, and electronic equipment). The rest of the apartment is 100% occupied by my wife and two kids. So "my part" of the apartment does not allow me to do big projects. I know how you feel...
Vidar
Tom
Vidar is right don't make yourself "nutty" over this!,Doing something all by yourself can make you feel overwhelmed.
We are not here to get rich or steal your idea ,we are here to make a difference ,to hopefully change this world for the better,You have a wonderful opportunity to help bring that change?
We actually work together very well here just have a look at the Joule thief threads............
Hope to see you back soon ,Be well !
@ Air striker
Can you post a pic ,a drawing or mock up something that shows what you saw in the Vids ?
It will be a lot easier to make suggestions if we can "See" the problems!
Thanks
Chet
Tom
Quote:
This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.
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You see Tom, this statement makes the quest irresistable!
No electronics ,just magnets,
Quotes:
1].Sphere magnets. Ring magnets were to heavy and I found I did not need gravity at all.
2].Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case.
3]. Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously Thats where I am at now
4].You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.
5].The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it untill it reaches a distance then it stops.
6].I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there. Only two sphere magnets and another inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
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Hopefully Tom will get some renewed energy when he receives that new shaft I machined up for him.
Lumen
You are such a nice man!!
I am having a hard time restraining myself,Tom Seems most genuine
And quite a skilled experimenter! To my knowledge this "sphere" magnet has not been tested as much as other designs!
To be quite candid I do not want to push this if Tom is having 2nd thoughts ?
Since you are in contact with Tom ,would he prefer we leave this alone
or Is he genuinely interested in seeing if the members here can "take this to the next level"?
Say the word and I will "chill"!!
Sigh.My daughters having a baby [today] and it is just making me crazy ,while it maybe selfish I have more desire than ever to "make this world a better place"!
Quite sincerely
Chet
Thomas
Here's an idea for how to slow down your motor,put a copper tube around it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30oPZO_z7-4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Chet
Quote from: ramset on August 04, 2011, 07:59:59 PM
Thomas
Here's an idea for how to slow down your motor,put a copper tube around it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30oPZO_z7-4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Chet
This one is interesting too. Look at the difference just by slicing the metal plates. So one can control the amount of breaking effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38XPT9sWIso&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38XPT9sWIso&feature=related)
Vidar
Can you do a "sim" of what you think the device looks like [the original one]
Just the structure/architecture?
I'm having a hard time putting it together in my head?
And like Tom I have no Sim skills or hardware..........
Please?
Pretty please??
Chet
I can try to make a 3D drawing of how I remember the original one. Can't promise to finish it within this weekend, but i'll try.
Vidar
Wonderful!!
Just some place to start ,That will be great whenever you can!!
Thank you
Chet
Hi Tom,
Great to hear from you. Sometimes it's good to step away from a project and look at it from a distance for some inspiration. I'm mostly away from the computer but if you need anything let me know.
Hi, Grandpa Chet, ;)
Congratulations on your new family member.
Hi All,
Just stumbled across this patent application, somewhat related to topic at hand:
Patent Application 20090152970: POWER GENERATOR USING PERMANENT MAGNET
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0152970.html
I don't see how it generates power though.
DreamThinkBuild
THX! [the grandpa ;D]
I can't get images on that PDF?
Interesting read though!
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@All
Tom left the ball in our court ,plenty of info shared on his initial idea!
PLENTY shared on his Sphere device!
Does anyone here have a rendering of Tom's Lasy Susan device?
Has anyone here seen that vid and can "paint" something up that we can Study?
Spheres were not a part of his design ...........That changed, HOW?
I Am Absolutely Certain, 100% convinced if we collectively look at this
the talent and manpower is here to figure this out!
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!
Fellahs,the worlds a changin right now,lets try and steer a little!!
Chet
PS
Perhaps when Tom sees how serious we are [and how Good ] he will come join us again!
PS
Tom
Quote:
This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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You see Tom, the above statement makes the quest irresistable!
AND THIS >>>>No electronics ,just magnets,<<<<<<<
HOLY COW :o :o :o
Tom Sphere Quotes:
Quotes:
1].Sphere magnets. Ring magnets were to heavy and I found I did not need gravity at all.
2].Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case.
3]. Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously Thats where I am at now
4].You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.
5].The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it untill it reaches a distance then it stops.
6].I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there. Only two sphere magnets and another inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
Hi Chet,
Here is another link for the patent above.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=pF3HAAAAEBAJ
QuoteThis device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
That is what initially piqued my interest. A magnet motor should take off like a racehorse. It should also want to run itself to destruction, trying to constantly find equilibrium.
I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how to make two static repelling sphere magnets have a single directed vector.
-Compound lever/linkage
-One way bearings
-Ratchet/pulley
-A round plastic tilting ramp.
-A sliding ramp.
-?
Something has to be keeping them just a little out of equilibrium as they repel each other, otherwise nothing moves.
This is approximately how I remember the initial design from Tom. No animation.
The bar magnet is repelling the lazy susan magnet (The "cymbal" in the drawing). The bar magnet is repelling the ring magnet on top so it tilts away all the time. As far as I remember the bar magnet was angeled 45 degrees or so. Tom was showing how to run the barmagnet by using his hand to wobble the magnet on the top. How these two magnets are suppose to run eachother, I don't know...
I hope I remember the right design. The bar magnet is replaced by a ball-magnet (?).
Vidar
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on August 11, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
Hi Chet,
Here is another link for the patent above.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=pF3HAAAAEBAJ
That is what initially piqued my interest. A magnet motor should take off like a racehorse. It should also want to run itself to destruction, trying to constantly find equilibrium.
I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how to make two static repelling sphere magnets have a single directed vector.
-Compound lever/linkage
-One way bearings
-Ratchet/pulley
-A round plastic tilting ramp.
-A sliding ramp.
-?
Something has to be keeping them just a little out of equilibrium as they repel each other, otherwise nothing moves.
I will recieve in a week or so a gerotor with 4 inner teeth and five outer teeth. I will test a magnet in close proximity from above so these two gears become magnetic with same facing polarity, and repels eachother. The small gear is located inside the bigger one, so there is no other way to escape other than a rotation that cause increased gap between the inner and outer teeth (Like high pressure air or liquid would do to the gears). The goal is to achieve equal repelling force between the teeth - it at least sounds fair that force equals counterforce. But since the inner gear rotates 20% faster than the outer gear, the force that acts on the inner rotor will maybe cause 20% more potential energy than the outer rotor because it rotates potentially faster. Well that is the experiment I will do - among many others.
Vidar
Hi Vidar,
That is pretty much the same I recall from when I watched his video a couple of times.
He had the bar mag mounted on a triangular block of wood - 45 degrees.
I do not recall the ring mag being so large.
Regards, Penno
Vidar
Thank you ;D
Ok I see I missed a "sphere" quote!
He said he found no need for gravity anymore ?
Where's the gravity in this Besides the "wobble"
Would the Wobble be considered Gravity??
I believe the new design must still Have Upper and Lower {the 5-6 inch bolt Lumen made]?
Any one??
Chet
Quote from: penno64 on August 11, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
Hi Vidar,
That is pretty much the same I recall from when I watched his video a couple of times.
He had the bar mag mounted on a triangular block of wood - 45 degrees.
I do not recall the ring mag being so large.
Regards, Penno
Yes, the bar magnet should be placed on the 45 degrees ramp placed on the lazy susan, and the bar magnet should be facing the ring magnet. Also the ramp should be placed in 45 degrees angle to the rod.
The only thing gravity was needed for, was not to allow the ring magnet to fly away. It can be done in a different way.
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on August 11, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
Hi Chet,
Here is another link for the patent above.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=pF3HAAAAEBAJ
That is what initially piqued my interest. A magnet motor should take off like a racehorse. It should also want to run itself to destruction, trying to constantly find equilibrium.
I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how to make two static repelling sphere magnets have a single directed vector.
-Compound lever/linkage
-One way bearings
-Ratchet/pulley
-A round plastic tilting ramp.
-A sliding ramp.
-?
Something has to be keeping them just a little out of equilibrium as they repel each other, otherwise nothing moves.
I like the one way bearings idea! This way you could eliminate the annoying attraction "thing". Now need to find some of these bearings...
EDIT:
Said that too fast ;) Actually, the attraction will still be there. It's just so annoying ;/ Anyway, one way bearings should still be an advantage.
Yes Airstriker
Thanks
Tom's Quotes RE:
Gravity and angles,
Quotes:
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
Tom
P.S: My ring magnet will always have part of its weight pushing down on the runner magnet under it. In otherwards the ring magnet will always be tilted as it turns over the runner magnet spinning around and under it.
I also forgot to mention that the runner magnet not only is mounted on a 45 degree ramp but is also fixed at a 45 degree angle to the center axis of device. This positioning allows the lazy susan to turn.
Photos or a video will follow later today and you can post both the previous letter and the photos or video..
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Dream,
I see you understood much better than Myself ,The "Fan" in your patent
Would be a very appropriate comparison!
@Airstriker,
Are you able to share a few Pics of your Idea /Build? ["The Better Way"}??
Please??
Chet
I'll share the pictures as soon as I beat my lazyness and upload the photos ;]
Air striker
You just brought a big smile to my Face!! [and I am sure many others]Thanks
Chet
Ok, I'm going to try to describe what I believe is the minimum configuration of Tom's 2 sphere magnet motor.
You need a turntable that moves very easily and two sphere magnets and some thin brass rod.
Suspend above the exact center of the turntable, one sphere magnet with north directly up(vertical), attached to the brass rod that is in turn connected to a stationary mount. The rod needs to be just long enough to have some flex which is in turn dependent on the size of magnets used.
Now attach to other sphere magnet to the turntable with north and south on the horizontal plane with both poles an equal distance from the magnet on the rod. This causes a twisting force on the suspended magnet and flexes the rod moving the suspended magnet off center of the turntable.
Now, with the magnet on the turntable at a height that matches the suspended magnet and twisted to 90 degrees of the suspended magnet, no repel or attraction will occur, but if the magnet is twisted slightly more or less then an attraction or repel exists. Remember, you lost some twist because the magnet on the rod twisted some in flexing the rod, so you need to adjust the magnet on the turntable slightly to re-calibrate the neutral point.
Because the suspended magnet is now off center of the turntable, the table will rotate from any attraction or repel to the suspended magnet on the rod.
Way too simple!
I think the fire is started, so now we can all watch it burn!
lumen
I can't imagine this, english is not my native language.Can you draw simple picture of it ?
Lumen
Quote:
Ok, I'm going to try to describe what I believe is the minimum configuration of Tom's 2 sphere magnet motor.
You need a turntable that moves very easily and two sphere magnets and some thin brass rod.
Suspend above the exact center of the turntable, one sphere magnet with north directly up(vertical), attached to the brass rod that is in turn connected to a stationary mount. The rod needs to be just long enough to have some flex which is in turn dependent on the size of magnets used.
Now attach to other sphere magnet to the turntable with north and south on the horizontal plane with both poles an equal distance from the magnet on the rod. This causes a twisting force on the suspended magnet and flexes the rod moving the suspended magnet off center of the turntable.
Now, with the magnet on the turntable at a height that matches the suspended magnet and twisted to 90 degrees of the suspended magnet, no repel or attraction will occur, but if the magnet is twisted slightly more or less then an attraction or repel exists. Remember, you lost some twist because the magnet on the rod twisted some in flexing the rod, so you need to adjust the magnet on the turntable slightly to re-calibrate the neutral point.
Because the suspended magnet is now off center of the turntable, the table will rotate from any attraction or repel to the suspended magnet on the rod.
Way too simple!
I think the fire is started, so now we can all watch it burn!
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Lumen
I don't even have a good excuse like Forest
But ,Is there any way you could post a drawing?
This design has been in my head as a stroke of genious ....and your design Begs for a closer look and trial test/experiment.
Please??
@Airstriker
So hows Tings??
Thanks
Chet
Oh
BTW
I hope you fellows have been watching here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11303.msg298128#new
When iot rains it pours sometimes!!
Well, I just tested the two sphere design and ZIP.... nothing :'(
I was sure this was the key but it seems the two sphere secret is safe with Tom.
Something there but just cant pin point it.
Hi Lumen,
Don't be sure that you are incorrect just yet.
Keep in mind that it is DIFFICULT to identify poles on spheres and then, keep them
orientated that way.
I followed your description and thought, this isn't half bad.
Certainly, gravity, with Tom's first incarnation is easier to picture but, all of my large ring
magnets appear to have spots (areas) that are not consistent. (taken from large loud speakers).
Persist, I think you will be surprised.
Penno
Lumen
I agree with Penno,
One question,why Brass?,We see the Magnet and Copper have a "Huge" Lenz Issue [the sphere in the copper/aluminum tube drop],Brass Not that far away from Copper!
Probably a silly point at this point ,But?
Chet
Quote from: ramset on August 17, 2011, 05:38:30 AM
Lumen
I agree with Penno,
One question,why Brass?,We see the Magnet and Copper have a "Huge" Lenz Issue [the sphere in the copper/aluminum tube drop],Brass Not that far away from Copper!
Probably a silly point at this point ,But?
Chet
I just used brass because it is easy to get and easy to work with. If the device ran, the brass would eventually fail from the constant flexing, but could be easily switched out for something like carbon fiber rod.
The device suffers from the same problem as another device I tried that used the Earths magnetic field. torque exists but work is "force x distance" and if the distance never changes then no work is done.
Still something there, so I will work on it for a bit and see if anything turns up.
Lumen
Perhaps a snapshot?
This device is a real tease!
Sometimes the eyes [of others]are very helpful?
Chet
The design was originally based on the main description of the gravity device, but after the two sphere magnet concept I adapted it to test the theory.
The first pic is the cad rendering and the other two show the original configuration and the two magnet setup.
With some evaluation of the two magnet concept, I'm thinking that it may be possible that the ball joint at the top may not work smoothly under the high pressure of the large magnets and now I'm thinking of trying the flexible rod idea just to make sure.
Wow
Nice Rig!!
A hundred thank you's, Plus a couple[thank you's] from Forest too!
Chet
Man,I'm getting old. too much complicated for me. I will try with computer fan idea.Magnetic wind ole ! ;D
Forest
Yes it scared me too ![can my mind put this much together at one time]
Have another look,its not as bad as you think "yet".
Its freakin beautiful [the concept]!
Like squeezing a pit [fruit] but never touching it .................
like the cat toy on the round track,that he can't catch!!
Always in repel ...........
Thank you again Lumen!!
Tom Sphere Quotes:
Quotes:
1].Sphere magnets. Ring magnets were to heavy and I found I did not need gravity at all.
2].Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case.
3]. Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously Thats where I am at now
4].You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.
5].The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it untill it reaches a distance then it stops.
6].I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there. Only two sphere magnets and another inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
7, I have found I don't need the gravity
Tom
Quote:
This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.
Chet
FELLAHS!!
You need to ,Must ............Have to,
Look here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-42.html
Excerpt
The “transmission time†viewpoint allows us view the second assumption of Newton’s Third Law as an assumption of absolute time (or absolute simultaneity), if the action is at a distance. This assumption continues despite the reality that the “reaction†of a body to an externally applied force can not be simultaneous with the initial application (the “actionâ€) of the external force. This profound restriction on Newton’s Law brings time into the equation -- a restriction which becomes the critical factor.
It should be noted that this concept of a non-simultaneous “reaction time†to an applied force (whatever the nature of that force is considered to be) is applicable not only in mechanics, but also in electromagnetism and other fields of physics. A sudden surge (an “actionâ€) of current along a conductor, for example, will also result in an equal and opposite reaction -- but again not simultaneously. Likewise a rotating shaft surrounded by permanent magnets arranged so as to impel the rotation will encounter an equal and opposite magnetic force which will brake the rotation -- after a time delay, or what might be called the “Critical Action Time†(CAT)!
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Holy Guacamole Boyz N girls [not sure we have any girls]
The posts of the last few days at the above site!!!
Cranky Pants Unveiled,[well that might be "scary"]
No ,its more like Now I get it
And so will you !!
Chet
PS
A discusion thread has been reignited here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=827.msg16226;topicseen#msg16226
And at this Forum here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11312.msg298257#new
WOW
Toranarod
Elias
Shadesz
And Many others............
Hi Lumen,
Thank you for the pictures, that is a very nice setup. I like that flexible rod idea. I wonder how a pendulum would work in the middle? Tie the magnet to a rubber band to give it more area to pull away from the center?
All I can see when brainstorming is something has to be keeping it out of balance. One object moves which pushes another out of balance which moves the other back into/out of place and keeps going.
Tom
Your design won't leave my head!So many unique concepts
Will you be sharing more infO ?
It's like a huge brain twister!!
Thanks
Chet /
It sure looks like it is going to run, but the force which pushes the center magnet out of vertical alignment, is counterforcing the rotation, even if it looks like that magnet is aligned to push the rotor magnet. Anyways, to me it looks like a system that is in full balance - no energy output. A short video would be nice for all of us to comfirm if it works or not.
Vidar
Tom
Quote:
This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed . To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.
Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.
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Tom
If you could just answer 1 question?
1} Is the Sphere Fixed [held solid]?
2} Does the magnet sphere "float" in the system [rolls free]?
3} The Sphere runs on an Axle [like a wheel]?
Hope your doing well,I also hope you can Assist in a replication?
Thanks
Chet
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This is a repost of the first post in this thread ,I have also invited some of the fellows from Tom's thread at the energetic forum to have a look!
Tom
Quote:
I have decided to let you and the world in on all I have done. YOU CAN POST THIS LETTER ON ANY WEB SITE YOU WISH. I hope others give it a try using their own ideas as they go along. I will send you a photo tomorrow of my device that still need runner magnet work.
My idea has to be executed with great care and there is a lot of adjusting and experimenting to do. If not done correctly with care this device will not work.
I am having trouble right now positioning my runner magnet in the exact spot to make the device operate again.
We are only interested in the repel mode Attract is out If you find the magnets attract each other you are not going to have results.
Here is how it works:
You have a wooden Lazy Susan turntable in front of you made with very thick wood. So much the better if the bearings are 316 grade stainless steel. My bearings are not. Try to stay away from using ferrous materials
In the exact center of the top of the lazy susan drill a 3/8 inch hole and insert a 316 grade stainless steel or brass rod. Threaded is good.
That rod should have a pointed top end so a plastic nylon ball with a 3/8 inch hole drilled half way through it can be placed on the top of the rod. That ball should be able to rotate easily through 360 degrees.
I used a 1 inch diameter plastic ball knob and coated it with light grease.
Next comes the fun part. Buy a very large powerful ceramic ring magnet having a large diameter but small center hole. My magnet diameter is 4.5 inches with a center hole of 1.75 inches. It weighs 5.5 pounds.!!! I placed a "brass bearing" inside that hole and now my inside diameter was 1 inch.
Before you put the bearing through the ring magnets center you must solder or weld a round non ferrous cap to the top side of the bearing.
Now epoxy the capped bearing inside the ring magnets center.hole.
After the epoxy sets you take the ball with the drilled hole and put it on the senter shaft so it rotates. Grease the ball head
Now you take your modified monster ring magnet and place the BRASS CUP you just made over the plastic ball and set the magnet down.
Notice now that the huge ring magnet now can not only pivot but turn and tilt as well. YOU JUST MADE A HUGE RING MAGNET BALL JOINT.
Next is the part that will try your patients.
You need a short very powerful neo rod magnet. I used two stacked 1.5 inch long ,75 inch diameter rod magnet sections. My total lenght was 3 inches.
Take that rod magnet and mount on a 45 degree wood section so that the magnet side that is up repels the huge ring magnet. You should be able to place that runner magnet """DIRECTLY UNDER THE RING MAGNET."""
That action forces the ring magnet on top of the runner to TILT UP if you did that correcty. YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPERIMENT TO FIND JUST THE RIGHT SPOT.
ANY ATTRACTION IS A NO NO
Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.
The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.
Post where you see fit.
Tom
P.S: My ring magnet will always have part of its weight pushing down on the runner magnet under it. In otherwards the ring magnet will always be tilted as it turns over the runner magnet spinning around and under it.
I also forgot to mention that the runner magnet not only is mounted on a 45 degree ramp but is also fixed at a 45 degree angle to the center axis of device. This positioning allows the lazy susan to turn.
Photos or a video will follow later today and you can post both the previous letter and the photos or video.. This letter also
Tom
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WE're starting to talk about this and the fact that Tom seemed to have moved to a Sphere design as posted here
Tom
Quote:
Hi all.
Tom wrote:
"My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER."
Tom
Quote from: hoptoad on July 23, 2011, 12:07:24 AM
Sadly, it could take up to two years or even more for a full patent to take effect.
I am pretty certain that once the Patent Office has issued a Priority Date, then
if the patent is granted, it will take effect from that date.
Paul-R
Hi,
Has anyone heard from Tom at all?
Wonder how his patent application is going.
Thanks, Garry
I am asking myself the same. However, it did not seem to be a working device though. If I'm not wrong, his device "worked" till the day he decided to do some "improvements". It happens all the time - "EUREKA, IT WORKS, so let's make some changes in the design so it doesn't work anymore!!"
Vidar
3 months on and not even a whisper from Tom.
Is this a good or bad thing ?
Garry
Do you guys see any similarities with Tom's device to the experiment "4 legged stool set up" shown on this page?: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18010490/4/Unbalanced-Wheel-with-damper-fluid (http://www.scribd.com/doc/18010490/4/Unbalanced-Wheel-with-damper-fluid)
I think the similar effect might be happening here.
Just invert Tom's device and there you have it:
- the pivoting ring magnet = bowl with water
- lazy susan turn table = stool
- magnet fixed to on the lazy susan turn table = hands pushing on the stool's legs
Personally I think the stool is rotating due to the hands pushing force imbalance; in Tom's device the imbalance is caused just by the magnet fixed to the turn table.
It might work guys, it might work...
The 4 legged stool experiment video (very bad quality :( )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74qv3TyYtQY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74qv3TyYtQY)
Wang Shum Ho Wheel also seems to be using the same principle.
Hi Tom,
One year went by... Any success with your patent application ? Ready to show it to the world ? I'm reading your clues day after day and still no special results :( Pitty I didn't save your comments on the videos of yours - I remember that you described the improvements there. Just let us know what's up.
Thanks in advance,
Julian
I am no patent attorney and, i guess it depends upon what country he is in but...in the US once a device is "disclosed to the public" it can NEVER be patented. IF a patent is somehow granted because it was not revealed during the application that it had been disclosed to the public...that patent would be null and void.
This was all explained to me in detail by a very expensive patent attorney that we hired back in the 80's. If the laws have changed since then...which is possible...I am not aware of those changes.
Bill
I didn't really understand what SMOT had to do with this device of Tom's. Then I started a research on Tom himself and now I understand:
http://www.overunity.com/1244/working-smot-ramp-from-tom-ferko/msg37307/#msg37307 (http://www.overunity.com/1244/working-smot-ramp-from-tom-ferko/msg37307/#msg37307)
For sure, lazy susan with two sphere magnets mounted on it's disk is one piece of a puzzle. What I don't understand is how is it supposed to move without using any external force? In my opinion another magnet is needed. I will not give up ;)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 09, 2012, 09:53:19 PM
I am no patent attorney and, i guess it depends upon what country he is in but...in the US once a device is "disclosed to the public" it can NEVER be patented. IF a patent is somehow granted because it was not revealed during the application that it had been disclosed to the public...that patent would be null and void.
This was all explained to me in detail by a very expensive patent attorney that we hired back in the 80's. If the laws have changed since then...which is possible...I am not aware of those changes.
Bill
On 3rd page.
Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention. http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf)
Quote from: johnny874 on August 11, 2012, 10:39:40 AM
On 3rd page.Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf)
OK, thanks for updating my information. I will accept this as being true. Laws change all the time and....I do not really try to keep up. Thanks again.
Bill
My last contact with Tom (6 days ago):
QuoteHi Tom,
One year went by... Any success with your patent application ? Ready to show it to the world ? I'm reading your clues day after day and still no special results Pitty I didn't save your comments on the videos of yours - I remember that you described the improvements there. Just let us know what's up.
Thanks in advance,
Julian
QuoteHi, Julian,
Where are you reading my posts? I have posted in many places. I have actually constructed a device that seems to defy gravity and move a lead weight upwards???
Makes everything I did in the past mute.
Will patent the principle and go from there first.
Tom
Hi Air,
Is Tom - Tom Farmer ???????
You have seen the thread ?
Penno
No he is Tom Ferko I guess ;)
Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 22, 2011, 11:57:24 PM
Hi, Its me Tom,
I removed all device videos because things were rapidly changing for the better. I never give up. After a great deal of more experimenting and work (on my own) persuing this I am applying for a patent on what I developed.
My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component. Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY". Its self running and can power other devices NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER. Presently I dont care if anyone believes me or not.
My model has great speed and torque and can be classified as a motor rather than a toy. I plan to show all "AFTER A PATENT IS GRANTED"
In event any corporation is interested please contact me with an open wallet. Cash first (in a police station) then you get to see it and play with it. Keeps everyone honest.
Tom
@Pirate88719,
This is where you and TinselKoala should've been posting these thoughts.
>> Quote from: TinselKoala on August 11, 2012, 03:36:13 PM (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331670/#msg331670)
Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.
>http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm)
You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today or you cannot patent it at all. And that's not even considering whether the patent will be granted.
You will also have to demonstrate that your invention is New, Useful, and hasn't been demonstrated before by someone else. Good luck.
TK:
Exactly correct, from what I know. I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now. A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.
Bill <<
@All, notice how TK contradicts himself in the same post ?
>> just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.
and
You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today <<
Notice how those 2 statements say completely opposite things.
Of course, I posted a quote from the USPTO stating that publication can protect an inventors patent rights for one year. I do take my time to research material before posting. Have seen to much disinformation posted over the years by people who can't pull a quick search.
It is possible the reason the patent office allows this is for the purposes that forums like this is used for. to discuss and improve upon the design of an invention. Also, some people when making new discoveries (think universities) do publish their work and do still patent that new drug or other invention that has come through research. Why some people go to college. They get funding and have very good environments to work in. As a result, the university may wish to publish the work for the recognition the school would recieve from it. After all, a person doing research at a university or college would be a part of the faculty. And for having their research funded while they are paid staff, they also get the patent rights to start their own new business. But I am sure everyone is aware of such things.
I think industry does it to a lesser standard as they wish to protect proprietary information which is knowledge of the specific manufacturing process. An example of this is everyone can know what is in coca - cola and pepsi but what they make would not taste the same as the process of manufacture would help to develop the taste of their beverage.
edited to add; if you look at the times pirate88719 posted, he posted this first and then answered the one in this thread.
probably why people find posting in OU difficult, that is those working on something. It's nothing but a game to some people.
And if Tom does have something, it might be in his best interest not to make it known if he thinks it is something that somebody might be able to modify and come up with their own invention.
With me, I have advanced someone else's work which makes what I have realized a new invention. It is a part of life I guess. A risk that inventor's will always be exposed to. Might as well enjoy what you have while the chance is there. Something I've hoped to be able to do.
simple magnetic motor ?
Think stefan has shown this before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-3TKKXsm4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-3TKKXsm4)
another one, not into magnets myself but wonder why people in here do
not try replicating them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPV4eMYxpTk&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPV4eMYxpTk&feature=relmfu)
Quote from: johnny874 on August 16, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
why people in here do
not try replicating them.
Quite simply because those 'motors' are fakes. This guy posts simular videos at a regular intervals.
A real magnet motor should start by itself and probably should also constantly accelerate - just as Tom said - to blinding speed.
Anyway, I think I found some sort of configuration that would very well resemble Tom's clues (I think in all aspects). Very, very simple design. If it was that simple I don't think it would be patentable. You cannot patent a concept, idea but only a device. So if you saw only one working device using this concept, you would build a different one by yourself. I desgined two of such devices in 5 minutes time ;] Completely different but using the same principle. Two patents would be granted I think. But... things are always beautiful on the paper - must build one and test first... and probably fail as usually <lol>
if you guys search 6,000 rpm magnetic motor, you'll see one I've wondered about.
not on a pc right now so can't post a link.
the set's his on machinist blocks and shows everytbing, just wonder if there is air near ny.
one thing I've wonderec if might work is using lead shields to control when repulsion happens.
Jim
Hey Johnny874 or Jim or whatever name you are using this week.
I am getting very tired of your crap!!. You need to stop this nonsense now. If you do not quit making up stuff about me...perhaps you should be moderated? Now, knock it off!!! I am not kidding you.
Bill
Quote from: johnny874 on August 16, 2012, 11:53:52 AM
@Pirate88719,
This is where you and TinselKoala should've been posting these thoughts.
>> Quote from: TinselKoala on August 11, 2012, 03:36:13 PM (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331670/#msg331670)Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.
>http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm)
You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today or you cannot patent it at all. And that's not even considering whether the patent will be granted.
You will also have to demonstrate that your invention is New, Useful, and hasn't been demonstrated before by someone else. Good luck.
TK:
Exactly correct, from what I know. I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now. A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.
Bill <<
@All, notice how TK contradicts himself in the same post ?
>> just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.
and
You will have to complete and file a NONprovisional patent application within one year from today <<
Notice how those 2 statements say completely opposite things.
Of course, I posted a quote from the USPTO stating that publication can protect an inventors patent rights for one year. I do take my time to research material before posting. Have seen to much disinformation posted over the years by people who can't pull a quick search.
It is possible the reason the patent office allows this is for the purposes that forums like this is used for. to discuss and improve upon the design of an invention. Also, some people when making new discoveries (think universities) do publish their work and do still patent that new drug or other invention that has come through research. Why some people go to college. They get funding and have very good environments to work in. As a result, the university may wish to publish the work for the recognition the school would recieve from it. After all, a person doing research at a university or college would be a part of the faculty. And for having their research funded while they are paid staff, they also get the patent rights to start their own new business. But I am sure everyone is aware of such things.
I think industry does it to a lesser standard as they wish to protect proprietary information which is knowledge of the specific manufacturing process. An example of this is everyone can know what is in coca - cola and pepsi but what they make would not taste the same as the process of manufacture would help to develop the taste of their beverage.
edited to add; if you look at the times pirate88719 posted, he posted this first and then answered the one in this thread.
probably why people find posting in OU difficult, that is those working on something. It's nothing but a game to some people.
And if Tom does have something, it might be in his best interest not to make it known if he thinks it is something that somebody might be able to modify and come up with their own invention.
With me, I have advanced someone else's work which makes what I have realized a new invention. It is a part of life I guess. A risk that inventor's will always be exposed to. Might as well enjoy what you have while the chance is there. Something I've hoped to be able to do.
I am talking about this stuff above, AND the two posts following that you deleted. Any more of this and I will take action.
Bill
Bill,
Only moderators like you can delete posts.
Quote from: johnny874 on August 16, 2012, 08:19:00 PM
Bill,
Only moderators like you can delete posts.
Duh! Does it say "Moderator" next to my name? No? Really? Then, I guess that means I am not a moderator on this topic. So, now you are saying that I deleted your posts? I warned you for the last time...
Bill
Bill,
are you a moderator at overunity.com ?
I can't delete posts like you keep accusing me of.
maybe you could post some work ?
I've never seen you have a thought of your own.
Quote from: johnny874 on August 16, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
Bill,
are you a moderator at overunity.com ?
I can't delete posts like you keep accusing me of.
maybe you could post some work ?
I've never seen you have a thought of your own.
Gee "Johnny"...AKA "Jim" Why not check out all 53 of my youtube videos which all have links on here in different topic areas? I built all of those devices and did not just talk about them like you do. So, be careful here....
And, once again, your assumption is incorrect...i am NOT a moderator here on OU. I am a moderator on 2 different topic areas. If you only knew how the software worked...or cared to learned anything...since I have told you countless times, but...alsas...i am dealing with someone that does not want to learn anything. Every post you make tells us this loud and clear.
Bill
PS How many times have you been banned from this site? I have lost count. Was it because everyone here was jealous of your great ideas? No, it was because you personally attacked folks that dared to comment on your crazy ideas...some actually have tried to help you...but...no, you just resort to personal insults. I am going to forward all of your posts to Stefan...and then...you might have to come back here using YET another alias.
Bill
Quote from: johnny874 on August 16, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
Bill,
are you a moderator at overunity.com ?
I can't delete posts like you keep accusing me of.
maybe you could post some work ?
I've never seen you have a thought of your own.
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OK, here is an original idea...you sir, are an idiot. I also mean that in the most direct usage of the term. Idiot. Look it up if you do not know what it means, which, you probably do not.
Bill,
If people like Tom bother you, not sure why you post it in a thread where I am posting an idea I have for my own invention.
The reality is, someone posting a possible invention puts themzelf at risk of someone else trying to claim they helped invent and should also have rights to the patent.
This is one of the reasons I said that if other people build my design, the patent rights would go to charity. A simple way to keep greed out of it.
edited to shorten post
Quote from: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
Bill,
If people like Tom bother you, not sure why you post it in a thread where I am posting an idea I have for my own invention.
The reality is, someone posting a possible invention puts themzelf at risk of someone else trying to claim they helped invent and should also have rights to the patent.
This is one of the reasons I said that if other people build my design, the patent rights would go to charity. A simple way to keep greed out of it.
edited to shorten post
I do NOT, and NEVER have believed in patents. They are not worth the money, and from what my attorneys have told me...you have to be able to defend EVERY challenge, the average of which is 1 million dollars...and, if you can only defend one challenge, and not three....you just gave up your patent. The best way is to have an idea...build it...and go from there.
Bill
Patents are for the big companies with plenty of money to spend defending them.
Johny
Bill has spent a few life times here [well it must seem like that by now]
posting his work and sharing his ideas on many many threads.
I have to say johny .......you have done a good job honing Bill's tolerance skills .
Thx
Chet
PS
Wheres Tom?? [the tail chaser]
Chet,
I've talked to Bill on the pbone before.
What I didn't really appreciate was his supporting AB Hammer who harassed me constantly while I was working on Bessler's wheel.
As for patents, if someone doesn't patent theirs, then it means big business get it for free.
If Bill doesn't mind donating patents to businesses, that's up to him. But I don't believe he would.
Jim
edited to add; Chet, one thing they won't mention about jealous people who are to lazy to learn and work at something don't like to see other get something because they've earned it.
I've heard to many times that mechanical engineering and math have no place in this forum. I'm not sure how someone would expect to understand how gravity could be converted to mechanical engineering without an understanding of those two things.
I've often found I had to change my approach to those things I work on to stay within the parameters that engineering allows for.
And if a person has nothing, then they can always play word games.
Quote from: johnny874 on August 18, 2012, 07:58:47 AM
As for patents, if someone doesn't patent theirs, then it means big business get it for free.
It means that everyone gets it for free.
Quote from: Paul-R on August 18, 2012, 11:06:54 AM
It means that everyone gets it for free.
lmao !
Here is a link to Milcovik's patents and awards. Haven't heard anyone finding fault with him about his patenting his inventions or even anyone challenging him. Disinformation is something a forum like this doesn't need.
It's kind of like asking people to work for free unless some clever person can profit off of their work.
Then again, I'd say people with nothing to contribute might be jealous enough to say they are that altruistic.
It'd be like if Rick try's the 2So the way I suggested and together we can get it to work, then we would deserve the patent
for our improvement. That is a part of advancing other people's work and a way it will probably always be.
Other wise innovators would be stifled and innovations may not be invented.
Jim
edited to add the link. Who knowss, maybe Mr. Milcovik would be pleased that his work is being advanced.
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/SertifikatiEng.html (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/SertifikatiEng.html)
Quote from: ramset on August 18, 2012, 07:30:47 AM
Johny
Bill has spent a few life times here [well it must seem like that by now]
posting his work and sharing his ideas on many many threads.
I have to say johny .......you have done a good job honing Bill's tolerance skills .
Thx
Chet
PS
Wheres Tom?? [the tail chaser]
Chet:
Thank you very much, I really appreciate that.
Bill
Just did some testing using Working Model 2D software and... it sure looks like it's going to work ;) Just cannot wait to test a real thing :D On my way...
airstriker,
nothing personal but I think anything that requires someone to stop and think is not wanted.
I made a video that shows that lead can control magnetic repulsion but decided not to upload it.
With all the electrical wizards in here that go by h/mv and not f = ma already would know that.
Johny
Sometimes when you post you sound like a really nice guy!
And at other times........you sound pretty cranky.
Do you have an "Evil Twin",or is it a morning cup of coffee thing?
I suppose a lot of guys have tried Lead as a shield over the years ?
If lead works as an ""effective"" magnetic shield I'm gonna let the air out of "TK's" tires!!
How's about a morning movie ?
Where all in this together Johny!
Thx
Chet
Chet,
if you read the first 2 posts other people made when I posted my idea, what did I do wrong ? I was even willing to donate the patent rights.
Right, I don't have a place to build. If so, I would be building it.
I may be able to in a month or two.
I think some don't thinks it takes much to get the details understood well enough to be workable.
it can be stressful and then the poor attitudes from people who don't really seem to understand that tbis is the gravity section of the forum.
I don't go into other parts of the forum because I have spent much time studying how leverage can be used to convert gravity into mechanical energy.
It might also be that with engineering, you can only do what it allows. I've noticed a lot of people aren't comfortable having to pursue an idea differently. I guess most people like to stay with what they are familiar with.
What I've noticed is that many people don't want to do the homework required fully to understand their systems and would rather work on things that they believe, without justification, to be true.
The textbook I recommended to you in another thread is a basic mechanical engineering textbook, usually covering two semesters of coursework at the freshman or sophomore college level. Calculus is a prerequisite. The book is full of example systems, sample problems, and solved problems. Most people with an engineering background... like me... have struggled through this two semester course in statics and dynamics and have passed it and have proceeded on to more particular and detailed study of individual systems.
And that is why they don't think your system, or any Besseler system, or Milkovic's pendulum system, will work as an overunity device: it is because they actually DO have a deeper understanding of these topics than someone who has not had that particular educational experience. And that is also why lots of people here don't want anything to do with real engineering math.... because it contradicts their hazy and uneducated assumptions about the way the world works.
The next time you drive a car over a bridge.... thank Beer and Johnston when you arrive safely at your destination, because the engineers that designed the bridge and that designed your car... also completed that coursework, and believed what they learned there.
Now.... carry on, build and test, do the math (tm RA).
--TK
why are you even here tk ?
You don't the first thing about Bessler's work.
And to quote Albert Einstein, he thought someone would be ingenious enough to do it.
And schools routinely have students buy the latest text book so it will be up to date.
Wnen was yours written, in 1920 or even 1940 when they thought the sound barrier couldn't be broken ? heck, even powered flight was considered impossible just as life requires both sun light and oxygen.
check your text book. of course, everyone knows life exists without oxygen and without sun light. I gues it's a goox thing publishers update text books.
Wny am I thinking TROLL right now ?
Quote from: johnny874 on August 20, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
why are you even here tk ?
You don't the first thing about Bessler's work.
Upon what secret source of knowledge do you base that little statement? Have you been looking in my laboratory notebooks? You have no idea what I know about Bessler. Did you know, for instance, that your hero was an expert CLOCK MAKER, had made over 300 similar devices powered by clockwork mechanisms, and made and exhibited his perpetual motion wheels at the end of all that experience after he ran out of money? And that even in his time, clocks could run for 40 days or more with no problem? Did you know that the wheel which turned for 40 days (not two months as some have reported) had an "axle" that was eight inches thick and hollow? Or that for most of his demonstrations nobody even SAW a wheel, but only a pair of ropes coming out of and going back into some holes in a wall, behind which was concealed his "wheel"... or perhaps some other kind of mechanism ... like a donkey and a carousel? You have no idea what I know about Bessler/Orffreyus, and I'm not going to tell you.
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And to quote Albert Einstein, he thought someone would be ingenious enough to do it.
That is a quote? Please give the reference.
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And schools routinely have students buy the latest text book so it will be up to date.
Wnen was yours written, in 1920 or even 1940 when they thought the sound barrier couldn't be broken ? heck, even powered flight was considered impossible just as life requires both sun light and oxygen.
Are you "link disabled"? The Beer and Johnston text I told you about has gone through many editions and is still in use today (9th Ed., 2010) at many, if not most or all, engineering schools across the country. Ask any engineer if I am right or wrong, if you can't look it up yourself.
http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0073529400/information_center_view0/ (http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0073529400/information_center_view0/)
http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0073529400/student_view0/ (http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0073529400/student_view0/)
Hint: click on the links.
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check your text book. of course, everyone knows life exists without oxygen and without sun light. I gues it's a goox thing publishers update text books.
Wny am I thinking TROLL right now ?
Perhaps you are trying to describe yourself, since you can't actually refute anything I've said with facts, outside checkable references like I provide, or demonstrations of your own. I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU to stop wasting your time, because I think you are an intelligent and creative person who might be able to learn something and maybe discover something new, but you aren't going to do it by running down the same dead ends that similarly naive and undereducated people have been running down..uselessly... for many years.
whay, you're smart because you spend all your time looking up links ?
funny how you mention Bessler in your previous post. You said "THEY" don't think his system is an over unity device.
So ? It seems you can't even take responsibility for your own opinion,
Are you one of tbose computer programs they wrote so a computer can similate a conversation ?
Quote from: johnny874 on August 20, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
whay, you're smart because you spend all your time looking up links ?
funny how you mention Bessler in your previous post. You said "THEY" don't think his system is an over unity device.
So ? It seems you can't even take responsibility for your own opinion,
Are you one of tbose computer programs they wrote so a computer can similate a conversation ?
Have I ever personally insulted you, Jim? Have I? Or have I simply tried to point out where you are wrong? Would you like me to start personally insulting you, like you are personally insulting me?
And have you successfully refuted anything I've said, with facts, checkable references or demonstrations of your own?
Are you one of those "people" who don't know how to use a spellchecker?
Quote from: johnny874 on August 20, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
whay, you're smart because you spend all your time looking up links ?
1. I gave the Bessler information above without looking at a single internet link. You no doubt had to look it up on the internet to see that I am right.
2. My copy of the Beer and Johnston text has been on my shelf for many years. I did you the common courtesy of looking up the link to the CURRENT, IN USE version. My bad, sorry.
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funny how you mention Bessler in your previous post. You said "THEY" don't think his system is an over unity device.
My mention of Bessler was to refute your absurd contention that I know nothing of him. YOU mentioned him first. The "they" pronoun in my sentence refers back to the common noun "people". I am included in that "they", in case you were really wondering. But you aren't. You make your statement here out of ... well... trolling: trying to provoke an emotional response with an offtopic irrelevant point: my use of the word THEY.
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So ? It seems you can't even take responsibility for your own opinion,
Does it really seem that way to you? If it does, you are badly misguided. My opinions are my own and only a few people ON THIS WEB FORUM share them.
If it does not really seem that way to you... then perhaps you "misspoke". There's a lot of that going around lately.
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Are you one of tbose computer programs they wrote so a computer can similate a conversation ?
Am I? Do you really think I might be? Or are you perhaps misspeaking again?
If you really want to insult me at least come up with some good ones.
tk,
you must really need attention, according to wikipedia, perpetual motion is not considered possible by what is currently known. Try telling me something new.
As for Bessler, what I have been pursuing is a difficult build and only uses accepted principles of engineering. It is the manner in which he used them that is "new".
Bye tk
I asked you,
QuoteAnd have you successfully refuted anything I've said, with facts, checkable references or demonstrations of your own?
And you answered,
Quote from: johnny874 on August 20, 2012, 09:52:36 PM
tk,
you must really need attention, according to wikipedia, perpetual motion is not considered possible by what is currently known. Try telling me something new.
As for Bessler, what I have been pursuing is a difficult build and only uses accepted principles of engineering. It is the manner in which he used them that is "new".
Bye tk
In other words.... no, you have not.
You are the one seeking attention, not me. You are only proving the old adage: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
I've fulfilled my obligation to the truth, by showing you where it is. It is entirely your choice to ignore it... but you cannot refute it. Years from now, when you are surrounded by your failed attempts at reproducing what you believe Orffreyus showed... you will think back upon this little conversation of ours.
Build, test, do the math... if you can.
Bye Jim.
Well...we could agree that Tesla was educated man also. Should we assume he was a madman in his later years ? He saw universe as simple machine with mechanical forces and electrical forces being the same longitudinal waves except in different medium. He opposed relativity theory and the origin of radioactivity as a disintegration of atoms.
He thought that there is no energy in particle exacept from this taken from medium, which means that even at absolute zero degrees (F) ether is flowing into mass giving it energy. It's quite simple if we agree that every mass in universe is connected together by a omnipresent field and vibrations of it. Every mass is tranceiver. The disturbance of steady receive-transmit cycle is what we saw as a movement or change in momentum.
I believe we soon will see the scientifice articles about radioactivity cause by fluctuation of Higgs field or something like that which will confirm Tesla statements - something is striking into atoms and only those with precise vibration frequency respond by disintegration.
When I was young I was fascinated by Einstein theory of general relativity and wanted hard to complete it with quantum field theory, but that seemed impossible. Now I think relativity is a nice trick like the shadows of flame on walls in Platon cave...
forrest,
I've read some on physics. I found out when they got to Higgs, I didn't know as much as I thought. It could be with Einstein and his relativity that why people like them is his relativity is they show how most thinbs work together.
I tbink with me, I understand mechanical behavior better and got schooling that helps me with this.
I've read about Tesla and Edison. Some people find it difficult to believe some countries still use D.C. current because it's cheaper. When Tesla thought of the A.C. genenerator, it was said to be impossible because electrical current can not ne ran 90 degrees out of phase. As it turns out it cycles more consistently than d.c. which allows for advanced electronics but also suffers less entropy over long distances.
Jim
Guys... let me remind you the subject: "New magnetic-gravity motor chasing its tail from Tom (http://www.overunity.com/10840/new-magnetic-gravity-motor-chasing-its-tail-from-tom/msg333094/#msg333094)". Please stop this bullshit. Thx in advance.
Also did some math (as kindly asked) for my design - should work as charm ;] Only second and third Newton's law. As said - very simple. The result = constant acceleration. But as always, I could be wrong.
Will build it first then post results - with math ;] Why not now? I don't like not working bullshit ;]
airstriker,
the entire time I've worked on Bessler, I've put up with massive crap and for the most part was on my own, Put up with crap like tinselkoala saying I have to refute what he says. like ab hammer, he probably has no schooling with anything to do with mechanical engineering,
yet working on Bessler has given me something to do rather than dwell on the 3 or 4 years I've been dealing with problems because of complications from treatment for cancer.
there are a lot of jerks and they have nothing better to do than bother other people because they're either bored or not as smart as they think they are. all I can say is get used to it.
thought I would add that this is the gravity section of the forum.
between this and the pressure differential system, maybe Stefan needs to make a new gravity section.
I would simply put this thread to magnetic section (if possible) - Tom confirmed that gravity is not needed.
Hi everyone.
I'm wondering if principles that allow sailing against the wind are useful to discover how to make this device work.
Everyone,
The true story.
There is no patent for Tom's device. It did not work. From what I understand, the device was like a magnetic spring, that when pushed together, it would take off very fast and spin around and around like a dog chasing its tail. What made it work (for a short period of time only) was the use of a one-way bearing. But what really made it work was the fact the one-way bearing was slipping on its shaft, yet making the spin short lived and appear that all that was needed was a better shaft, so as not to slip. Once a new (and better) shaft that was provided by a very nice contributor was installed, the device no longer worked or was spinning as before. Thus, no more posts were made due to the fact it did not work. Tom has been a great contributor to OU experiments and sometimes gets a little excited. So please be understanding for his over stating some perceived facts or observations.
Maw
Thanks for the update ,as well as the sad story.
I've been known to over react myself sometimes,so I can't throw any stones.
Thx
Chet
Hi Maw,
Thanks for the update.
After all, we are only human. I hope Tom continues in search for FE.
I'm guessing you are the nice contributer - good on you.
Regards, Penno
p.s. Tell Tom, if I were him, I would not be ashamed to come back on the forum.