As the subject says this is just an observation from a new member.
Whilst browsing through some of the posts in the forums I keep seeing certain people (I won't mention any names) that are VERY QUICK to dispel or attempt to disprove or ridicule various claims made.
Don't for one instant think that there aren't people here (paid shills) in the forums whose job it is to dispel, divide, disprove or ridicule.
Forums like this one and others are touching on VERY sensitive issues, that deal with global power & control mechanisms.
Those in power want to keep themselves in those positions and will do just about anything to maintain the current paradigms.
Its because many people have no idea of fundamentals. Just look now for example, many threads about eliminating Lenz's laws yet some silly high school questions are coming up. Its not my field, so it doesn't bother me, but I can see why others are livid! You can't move forward when you take so many backwards. These guys want serious research, that's why they are still here and they will tear down anything they see as being done or said before and failed. Have a look at the thousands of threads from the past, its all been repeated over and over. Also take a look at the join dates of most vocal posters, mostly are quite new. Where are all the self made hero's from a few years ago? Basically, you better know your stuff before posting ideas on here!
Excellent Observation Clixbits. Generally speaking they are called TROLLS.
1. They Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with Big Oil's FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
Trolls build nothing, contribute nothing and add nothing to anyone. They are a Moral & Financial DRAIN on society.
-------> You guys that FIT THIS DESCRIPTION should be ASHAMED of yourselves & CHANGE for the better!!!
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Neither one of you can provide any evidence that your claims of "paid shills" are true. You are simply liars, and you are lying in an attempt to provoke responses. Look to yourselves, FatBird and Clixbits, if you want to see some of the real trolls on this forum.
Oucch it hhurts! ;D ;D
Quote from: FatBird on December 23, 2014, 07:46:39 AM
Excellent Observation Clixbits. Generally speaking they are called TROLLS.
1. They Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with Big Oil's FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
Trolls build nothing, contribute nothing and add nothing to anyone. They only worship their paycheck.
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If only this were true,then we would know why there has been none what so ever successful OU devices made. But i mean really !payed troll's! lol,come on FatBird,that one died ages ago. The reason you dont see any(not one) OU device here or any where else,isnt because of paid troll's,it's because no one has actually made one.
So here is my challenge to you FatBird and Clixbit's.
Find one(just one) statement by one of these so called troll's that isnt a true statement,and isnt correct. Your confuseing trolls with those that have the smart's,and are only trying to steer others in the right direction. Maybe you think i am one of these payed troll's?,or maybe i really do work 15 to 18 hours a day driving a road train. Maybe my youtube channel is just to throw you all off,and the 260+ video's on my work are all just for show.
I have a feeling i know who you guys may concider to be these so called trolls,but funny thing is that it's these very same people that have helped me get to where i am today. I do not see one person on this forum that fits the bill of a troll. What i see is those that want to be right,and not like being told they are wrong. I see those that would rather keep leading them self up the garden path,rather than take advice from those that have the knowledge.
If you really want to see some people taking advantage of others,and sending innocent people on a wild goose chase,you need look no further than the likes of Arron the rookie,and Peter Lindermann. These guys sell books that claim to hold the secrets to self running pulse motor's,and over unity devices of all types. These are the ones to watch out for,and there are no such people here on overunity dot com.
So you can choose to remain here,and be helped by those that give nothing but the correct advice,or head off to energetic forum,and be swindled by those that sell rubbish to make a buck at the expence of those that know no better.
There are a few people in this forum (like TinselKoala or itsu) who over and over again try to make sense of silly claims and show why the silly claims can not work. Most of these people do experiments them selves (like TinselKoala or itsu).
They never
- discourage good ideas
- do not seem to get a paycheck for the time they spend in this forum
- do not try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time
- do not discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world
- do not try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away
But over and over again some very sick, misguided or stupid people show up and make outrageous claims which can be easily proven false. And the fights are always started by the strange people who can not bear the truth and can not prove their preposterous claims.
If you make a strange claim
- you have to be prepared to prove it (nobody has to disprove a claim)
- you must show good measurements (or you will be ridiculed)
- you must allow other people to replicate your apparatus (or you will not be believed), which implies that you offer good documentation
- if you want to keep a secret, stay away, do not hint (or you will be called a liar or a fool)
Greetings, Conrad
I totally agree with Pomodoro, Tinman, TK, and Conrad.
7 years ago I was new to this side of the field of electronics. I asked a lot of questions and learned a lot from these smart guys here. I now know so much more than I did, and even I can see newbies coming in here making definitive statements that are not true. Worse than that, they don't even build anything in an attempt to prove their ideas. Just a sketch or two and they say..."See? The experts are wrong, this is how it is..."
Then they get offended when the guys that know better attempt to correct them. It is a shame really as no one learns anything then. Then, those smart guys, that freely share their knowledge get labeled..."paid shills from big oil" or the like.
Just because we know something is true as of today does not mean it will not be changed in the future. But, to do that, you first must learn what has been true in the past and why. So many folks go down the same dead end roads with the same results when they could have better spent their time learning and working on something else that might actually be great one day.
Bill
For starters, FatBird is a "drive by troll." When he sees an opportunity, he makes a posting like the one below. Then people respond, sometimes they support him, sometimes they don't support him. But what is almost certain is that he will not come back and respond to the people that disagree with him. He does his posting as a "drive by" and then he RUNS AWAY.
This is tedious and I will respond to his points within his quoted text below. Do not expect a reply from FatBird. Although it's possible he will come back in this case because he is being put on the hot seat.
Quote from: FatBird on December 23, 2014, 07:46:39 AM
Excellent Observation Clixbits. Generally speaking they are called TROLLS.
1. They Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
>>>>> That's a lie. Good ideas are encouraged.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
>>>>> I think it's more like some of us count on our paycheck from our regular jobs to survive and we would love to see free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
>>>>> Total LIE. The "insignificant rabbit trail ideas" are things like, "How is it supposed to work?" and "How did you do your measurements?"
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
>>>>> Total LIE. Asking serious questions is considered "discrediting and ridiculing" by FatBird.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with Big Oil's FAT PROFITS.
>>>>> HORSESHIT!! Grow up and act like a man. Big Oil doesn't even know this nano-alleyway on the Internet even exists.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
>>>>> More crap. It takes two to tango and if someone has a proposition that they believe in they are not going to freak out if you ask them how they make their current measurement.
Trolls build nothing, contribute nothing and add nothing to anyone. They are a Moral & Financial DRAIN on society.
>>>>> It all depends on who you are talking about. You are a troll and to the best of my knowledge you contribute nothing.
-------> You guys that FIT THIS DESCRIPTION should be ASHAMED of yourselves & CHANGE for the better!!!
>>>> You should grow up and wake up. Your behaviour can be pretty shameful when you consider that it mostly consists of "drive by" postings like this one.
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It's also worth noting that FatBird usually posts the worst of the worst of the "tabloid trash" free energy claims. They are so obviously fake that usually nobody responds to his postings, even the ardent believers in free energy don't respond.
So FatBird, you are a radical reactionary with no substance to back up your wild allegations. You can do a lot better than that. Overunity.com is not some "secret advanced energy research lab," it's just a bunch of people on one of the millions of Internet forums out there. The average experimenter is a beginner that is NO THREAT TO THE STATE, I can assure you.
MileHigh
I tend to ignore them and investigate the devices myself through research, browsing other people's replication, or building them myself. Certain people I don't care much about what they type, in fact, I just automatically bypass them and read the next post. The only thing I would recommend that you do is come here to get some ideas and see if it is something worth your time. Occasionally, you'll find something interesting.
Right now, I avoid pulsed motors like a plague. I'm looking for a replacement project that I can do on my spare time which is why i'm hanging around the forums more than usual.
clixbits
I suppose the elephant in the room is not the occasional unsubstantiated claim that might roll across the page here.
it is more likely the things Like Wardenclyffe and Tesla and the 5000 + patents that have been seized by the government for "national security reasons" ,also the personal history of many people that have passed thru these forums and persons we know that had experience with vapor carbs in years past or electric motor Verters and such ,or Steven Mark TPU , the Hubbard coil, even recent Thorium reactors fall into the "powers that be" or MIB control and protect the "status quo" category.
I could go on and on with all the things which we have no idea where they went or what really happened, today its big news to transmit electricity 4 feet .
no one here can say for certain one way or the other ,but of one thing I am certain
of ,there has absolutely positively been removal of game changing technologies from our lives by "the powers that be".
for nothing more than their own personal gain.....
here just look thru some of this
https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends (https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends)
and here is why we don't see this
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Last winter, two Long Island schools converted to Cottell's system, and both reduced their fuel usage by about 25%. Adelphi University reports that it saved more than 3,500 gallons of oil per week! -- and reduced soot output by 98 %."
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just one that we are investigating from the above link
http://www.rexresearch.com/cottell/cottell.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/cottell/cottell.htm)
and the TinMan knows that some of these other even more exotic water fuel claims which we no longer see ,
are quite possible........
there are many more examples and the Portly Chicken doesn't need to be Plucked[fatbird]
we just need to pay attention......and also stop "making believe" that the truth is all out in the open
because its not....
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 12:34:26 AM
clixbits
snipped ...
no one here can say for certain one way or the other ,but of one thing I am certain
of ,there has absolutely positively been removal of game changing technologies from our lives by "the powers that be".
for nothing more than their own personal gain.....
... snipped
thx
Chet
That is a remarkable claim. It requires that: 1) There exists proof of the existence of some technology, 2) There exists proof that the technology is "game changing", and 3) There exists proof that "the powers that be" "removed" that technology from the market somehow. These mutual requirements would seem to be at odds with each other and reality. Please cite a specific example.
A specific example Mark E ??
Last winter, two Long Island schools converted to Cottell's system, and both reduced their fuel usage by about 25%. Adelphi University reports that it saved more than 3,500 gallons of oil per week! -- and reduced soot output by 98 %."
this was in 1974
that will have to do for now
I have no time for your ping pong game ATM
ohhh
I'll add this for you so you don't have to
"nothing to see here folks Just move along"
Quote from: clixbits on December 22, 2014, 10:27:41 PM
As the subject says this is just an observation from a new member.
Whilst browsing through some of the posts in the forums I keep seeing certain people (I won't mention any names) that are VERY QUICK to dispel or attempt to disprove or ridicule various claims made.
Don't for one instant think that there aren't people here (paid shills) in the forums whose job it is to dispel, divide, disprove or ridicule.
Forums like this one and others are touching on VERY sensitive issues, that deal with global power & control mechanisms.
Those in power want to keep themselves in those positions and will do just about anything to maintain the current paradigms.
tinselKoala and MilesHigh are the two demented fucking assholes to which you refer.
theyre both cat scat sophistic demon shit of high magnitude.
or, just white noise.
Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 12:34:26 AM
clixbits
I could go on and on with all the things which we have no idea where they went or what really happened, today its big news to transmit electricity 4 feet .
This is probably one of the funniest or infuriating thing i've seen in recent history. The MIT are like super proud of their invention "WITRICITY" I believe it's called to transfer electricity a few feet away. They haven't said a word about Tesla who transfered electricity miles away with efficiency far superior than anything else today. Sometimes, I just shake my head and ask "WTF??"
Madeo
Quote from: MarkE on December 24, 2014, 01:41:48 AM
That is a remarkable claim. It requires that: 1) There exists proof of the existence of some technology, 2) There exists proof that the technology is "game changing", and 3) There exists proof that "the powers that be" "removed" that technology from the market somehow. These mutual requirements would seem to be at odds with each other and reality. Please cite a specific example.
Stan Meyers for one. How about the Water powered car made in japan? Air powered car in France? The electric car that GM killed years ago. I believe there was a documentary on youtube about it called "Who killed the electric car?" Then, there's the hydrogen powered car built by Bob Lazar. Who knew he did more than just UFO stuff ? I didn't, but there it is on youtube. Watch the video "who killed the hydrogen car."
GEET could be one of those examples ... etc, etc...
And of course Tesla ... what better example could we cite more than his ordeal?
I would have thought that you've been in the overunity forums long enough to know these by now. ???
What do you expect from MIT who buried cold fusion in 1989... sneaky bastards like Nathan Lewis... the powers to be... yeah right.
We all make mistakes, even Maxwell or Einstein. And nothing is wrong with a little help. But some people are just way too much of a cartell upsucker. You have to ask yourself why are they here, post like 5000x when they think Overunity is rubbish. Pure altruism?
There is a simple way to handle this. Go to your profile, and go to the buddy list. There is also an Ignore list. Simple as that. No fight, nobody gets hurt.
Peace
Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 01:50:20 AM
A specific example Mark E ??
Last winter, two Long Island schools converted to Cottell's system, and both reduced their fuel usage by about 25%. Adelphi University reports that it saved more than 3,500 gallons of oil per week! -- and reduced soot output by 98 %."
So how was something that took place last winter and you report about now supposedly suppressed?
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this was in 1974
that will have to do for now
I have no time for your ping pong game ATM
ohhh
I'll add this for you so you don't have to
"nothing to see here folks Just move along"
You make a remarkable claim. I would like to see evidence.
Quote from: Madeo on December 24, 2014, 02:36:47 AM
Stan Meyers for one.
Stan Meyer was found to be
an egregious fraud by an Ohio judge. No one can show any device that does as Meyer claimed.
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How about the Water powered car made in japan?
What water powered car made in Japan? Where can such a car be inspected?
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Air powered car in France?
The car is not powered by air. It is powered by releasing compressed air from tanks. The compressors that pump the air into the tanks do not do anything special. DO you think that torpedos are free energy machines?
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The electric car that GM killed years ago. I believe there was a documentary on youtube about it called "Who killed the electric car?"
The EV1 was a vehicle mandated by California regulations. It was very expensive to build. The conspiracy theory tried to get legs by following the sale of Ovshinsky's NiMH company. Yet NiMH has done rather well, becoming the basis of Toyota's Prius, and taken up by BASF. Lithium has much better round-trip efficiency and is pushing NiMH out of the vehicle market. One can buy an electric vehicle from any of a number of manufacturers.
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Then, there's the hydrogen powered car built by Bob Lazar. Who knew he did more than just UFO stuff ? I didn't, but there it is on youtube. Watch the video "who killed the hydrogen car."
Hydrogen is not a fuel stock. It is a storage mechanism.
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GEET could be one of those examples ... etc, etc...
Oh please, Pantone is a cheap crook. The thought of people trying to align rods in their exhaust with a compass is a complete crack-up. Not one of these examples shows a remarkable technology that got killed or suppressed.
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And of course Tesla ... what better example could we cite more than his ordeal?
I would have thought that you've been in the overunity forums long enough to know these by now. ???
I have been around long enough to see people repeat extraordinary claims that they cannot support with evidence time and time again.
Wow, you really spent a lot of energy trying to debunk all of that..... Thanks for trying though. I feel really honored ;D
But I'm gonna give you another assignment to debunk ---> The sun is free.
Madeo
Quote from: Madeo on December 24, 2014, 06:06:12 AM
Wow, you really spent a lot of energy trying to debunk all of that..... Thanks for trying though. I feel really honored ;D
But I'm gonna give you another assignment to debunk ---> The sun is free.
Madeo
Yes, you read the debunking, but you make no attempt whatsoever to argue your points! That happens often. Make reference to various free energy claims that have been around for a while, and then when people respond with some comments that merit serious consideration, you have nothing to say in return. Big victory for you! Good show!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 02:04:28 AM
tinselKoala and MilesHigh are the two demented fucking assholes to which you refer.
theyre both cat scat sophistic demon shit of high magnitude.
or, just white noise.
Preserved for the record.
Sad, Kenny, really really sad. You cannot refute, so you resort to childlike pottymouth insults that aren't even worthy of an eight-year-old who just discovered that the Tooth Fairy is really his uncle.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 07:13:09 AM
Yes, you read the debunking, but you make no attempt whatsoever to argue your points! That happens often. Make reference to various free energy claims that have been around for a while, and then when people respond with some comments that merit serious consideration, you have nothing to say in return. Big victory for you! Good show!
I could try and argue with you, but arguing with someone that has over 4000 posts with nothing but ANTI-overunity messages on the Overunity Forum is kinda pointless. I'd rather watch the paint dry on my wall. However, you debunked every example I've just presented, but you still haven't debunked that the Sun is free.. Good show indeed! Tell your Anti-overunity comrades to jump in and help you out on that one.... HAHAHAHA
Madeo
Madeo:
I didn't make the arguments, it was someone else. No matter, you still showed that you don't have a leg to stand on. Advancing your case is not pointless. It's to show that you have some reasons for saying what you are saying and that you are not just parroting the same old cliches.
Yes the sun is free, there is nothing to debunk. Even you suggesting that I am supposed to 'debunk' the sun is ridiculous. But the sun does have a limited shelf life. Ho Ho Ho
MileHigh
P.S.: A lot of my postings are made to stop criminals in their tracks. GDS Technologies is a recent case of trying to stop a crime from being committed by an evil man that wants to steal money from people like you.
Madeo
I don't know about Meyer and Geet or the other things you mention,but I would like to know about Tesla and Wardenclyffe ,I suppose I will take an old friend up on an offer,,maybe next time I go down to Long island .
He grew up with Stamford White's kids and Grand Kids ,they were Neighborhood friends and would discuss the Wardenclyffe tower over dinner. {for which Stamford was the Architect ]
all kinds of plans and things flying around too...
maybe a visit to that family will be good...
or maybe the resident teacher know's all about Wardenclyffe and the fraudster Tesla??
MH
quick grab the Cape and mask....
save us poor ignorant Morons from spending all our Money ::)
Mark E, here are some other fellows that played with "WATER AS FUEL"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PbdymGFk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PbdymGFk8)
sigh...we Know how disingenuous the Japanese culture is...
NOT !!
thx
Chet
Why do folks continue to post free energy examples that have been proven to be frauds and/or hoaxes?
Take the Japanese car that "runs on water" on Youtube. Hello, it is a Youtube video. If you look at other Youtube videos about this vehicle, it is an admitted hoax. Big oil did not shut them down...it never existed. The other examples given are also bogus and have been admitted to be so, or proven to be so.
Please do some research when offering up these poor examples of "proven" free energy devices pulled from the market by big oil.
I am surprised that no one mentioned the computer fan on Youtube that runs using only neo mags. Oh, it also needs a hidden button cell battery and a small reed switch as well as was admitted by the poster of that video. Still, that video crops up now and then as "PROOF" that free energy exists.
It is fine to be optimistic, I try to be, but it is not fine to be a hapless dupe. (I try to avoid that)
Bill
Only because there are some hoaxes does not mean it's always a hoax. It takes some experience to recognize a hoax. Just like to recognize pathological critizism. Like when somebody asks how heat excess in LENR was verified, ignoring 17'000 reproductions.
The brothers wright were already flying around quite some time when established science was still totally convinced that heavier-than-air-flight is physically impossible. Establishment is dogmatic to a degree that is delusional. At the cost of mankinds progress.
Peace
Quote from: dieter on December 24, 2014, 06:20:48 PM
Only because there are some hoaxes does not mean it's always a hoax. It takes some experience to recognize a hoax. Just like to recognize pathological critizism. Like when somebody asks how heat excess in LENR was verified, ignoring 17'000 reproductions.
The brothers wright were already flying around quite some time when established science was still totally convinced that heavier-than-air-flight is physically impossible. Establishment is dogmatic to a degree that is delusional. At the cost of mankinds progress.
Peace
Please read some books on the Wright Brothers as your above statement is not correct. I get your point however, and, of course, that is why I am here. The problem is that too many folks here see something on Youtube that they want to believe is true, and buy it hook, line and sinker, without any research or replication attempts on their own.
What I try to do is, after seeing something "fantastic" on Youtube, is to read down the comments section a bit. More often than not, there is a comment like:
"He admits this is a hoax, see his video here...(see link)" I watch the linked video and...sure enough, the guy explains how he fooled us.
Then, 1 year later, you will see someone post a link to the first video and swears it works and anyone that disagrees with this "working" device is a paid agent of Big Oil, or whatever. When you point out the link to the second video where the guy admits it was a hoax, they then say he was forced to admit that or he was going to jail, or whatever.
I am just asking that folks use a little common sense and realize that if/when someone builds a device that overturns known laws, it demands scrupulous proof and measurements and also many replications. Most of the time these guys demand that we prove it does NOT work. I mean, come on.
I always liked TK's ..."Pink unicorn in my back yard" scenario. If we question the unicorn's existence, he says for us to prove it is not there. See? He was illustrating the fact that extraordinary claims require/demand extraordinary proof. Not the other way around.
Merry Christmas,
Bill
PS The US military was working on a heavier than air flying machine at the time the Wrights were doing their research. If they thought it was impossible, then why were they working on this? The Wrights developed the air foil and wing warping which allowed the first flight that they made. They also created the first wind tunnel to test air foils. Octave Chanualt was actually spying on the Wrights at Kitty Hawk, and taking back info to the military but, the Wrights got there first. The point was that the Wrights, and the US Military (aided by their scientists) thought heavier than air flight possible or, they would not have been working on it.
Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Madeo
I don't know about Meyer and Geet or the other things you mention,but I would like to know about Tesla and Wardenclyffe ,I suppose I will take an old friend up on an offer,,maybe next time I go down to Long island .
He grew up with Stamford White's kids and Grand Kids ,they were Neighborhood friends and would discuss the Wardenclyffe tower over dinner. {for which Stamford was the Architect ]
all kinds of plans and things flying around too...
maybe a visit to that family will be good...
or maybe the resident teacher know's all about Wardenclyffe and the fraudster Tesla??
MH
quick grab the Cape and mask....
save us poor ignorant Morons from spending all our Money ::)
Mark E, here are some other fellows that played with "WATER AS FUEL"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PbdymGFk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PbdymGFk8)
sigh...we Know how disingenuous the Japanese culture is...
NOT !!
thx
Chet
Chet, water is not fuel. Anyone claiming that it is fuel is making a false claim.
Water injection systems have been around for ages in various engines to among other things reduce peak temperatures and increase cylinder pressure. The water itself is not fuel.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 24, 2014, 06:39:05 PM
Please read some books on the Wright Brothers as your above statement is not correct. I get your point however, and, of course, that is why I am here. The problem is that too many folks here see something on Youtube that they want to believe is true, and buy it hook, line and sinker, without any research or replication attempts on their own.
What I try to do is, after seeing something "fantastic" on Youtube, is to read down the comments section a bit. More often than not, there is a comment like:
"He admits this is a hoax, see his video here...(see link)" I watch the linked video and...sure enough, the guy explains how he fooled us.
Then, 1 year later, you will see someone post a link to the first video and swears it works and anyone that disagrees with this "working" device is a paid agent of Big Oil, or whatever. When you point out the link to the second video where the guy admits it was a hoax, they then say he was forced to admit that or he was going to jail, or whatever.
I am just asking that folks use a little common sense and realize that if/when someone builds a device that overturns known laws, it demands scrupulous proof and measurements and also many replications. Most of the time these guys demand that we prove it does NOT work. I mean, come on.
I always liked TK's ..."Pink unicorn in my back yard" scenario. If we question the unicorn's existence, he says for us to prove it is not there. See? He was illustrating the fact that extraordinary claims require/demand extraordinary proof. Not the other way around.
Merry Christmas,
Bill
PS The US military was working on a heavier than air flying machine at the time the Wrights were doing their research. If they thought it was impossible, then why were they working on this? The Wrights developed the air foil and wing warping which allowed the first flight that they made. They also created the first wind tunnel to test air foils. Octave Chanualt was actually spying on the Wrights at Kitty Hawk, and taking back info to the military but, the Wrights got there first. The point was that the Wrights, and the US Military (aided by their scientists) thought heavier than air flight possible or, they would not have been working on it.
Are you trying to say that US military is working on free energy and spying this forum ? ???
Quote from: forest on December 24, 2014, 07:05:11 PM
Are you trying to say that US military is working on free energy and spying this forum ? ???
No. I am sure they are working on efficient energy production but have never heard of us over here. I believe that we are below the radar as it were.
Bill
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 10:09:31 AM[/font]Madeo:I didn't make the arguments, it was someone else. No matter, you still showed that you don't have a leg to stand on. Advancing your case is not pointless. It's to show that you have some reasons for saying what you are saying and that you are not just parroting the same old cliches.Yes the sun is free, there is nothing to debunk. Even you suggesting that I am supposed to 'debunk' the sun is ridiculous. But the sun does have a limited shelf life. Ho Ho HoMileHighP.S.: A lot of my postings are made to stop criminals in their tracks. GDS Technologies is a recent case of trying to stop a crime from being committed by an evil man that wants to steal money from people like you.
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Trying to protect people like me from criminals ?? How sweet of you .... BUt, here's the thing, nobody asks you to do it. I don't want it and certainly a good number of people here don't want it either. Do us a favor and keep it to yourself... please? If I fall victim to these criminals you speak of, then it's my own fault and I will deal with the consequences.
If you don't care much about Overunity, free energy, or whatever you prefer to call it , then I think you should look up to the top of the page and read the website again? It clearly says "OVERUNITY: searching for free energy and discussing free energy." 4000 posts and none of it are anywhere close to "SEARCHING" or "DISCUSSING" the topic (more like attacking it). If you are lost, then I can provide you a direction and a link to a website called "UNDERUNITY." You can invite and take your comrades there with you. ;D
Would you mind stop quoting MH, you undermine the ignore function 8) ... hrm, nothing personal. Besides, he was told without success this very same suggestion already in the past.
Recently I read on a TK vid comments section about what is wrong with Hopegirl. Appearently the discussion was focused on her body mass and her titties. That of course justifies any witchhunt.
Pirate I agree to some degree. Interestingly the US Military (Navy?) researched on cold fusion since Pons and Fleischmann and meanwhile verified heat excess (who cares about the absence of gamma radiation ), regardless of the DOE 1990 Verdict of "pathetic science".
As for the pink unicorn of TK, this is plain dialectics.
Peace
The likes of MH, TK, ME always try to derail the threads here with their off-topic discussions of the subject matter at hand and - even worse - with cogent arguments and analytical profuseness for the reader's convenience.
This is not right.
They should instead follow the example of dieter and Madeo and post on-topic personal attacks, incoherent, self-debunking rants and conspiracy theories.
(Peace.)
Quote from: orbut 3000 on December 24, 2014, 10:55:17 PM
The likes of MH, TK, ME always try to derail the threads here with their off-topic discussions of the subject matter at hand and - even worse - with cogent arguments and analytical profuseness for the reader's convenience.
This is not right.
They should instead follow the example of dieter and Madeo and post on-topic personal attacks, incoherent, self-debunking rants and conspiracy theories.
(Peace.)
I agree Sir, this should stop. Otherwise, folks might learn something useful and then where would we be?
Very well said. I could not agree more.
Bill
Quote from: forest on December 24, 2014, 07:05:11 PM
Are you trying to say that US military is working on free energy and spying this forum ? ???
I wouldnt say the US any more,i would say the UN.
Make no mistake,these guy's have tech that would blow your mind,and hide it quite well. If we no longer had to pay for energy,then we would all become equal's,and this is something the UN dose NOT want. The rich and powerful would also become equal's,and how to fund there lavish life styles?. There are those that like to be on top,and keep the rest of us right where they have us.
Maybe we should look a little closer to nature,as it seems to be able to do things we only dream of-->like the creation of mass,and self made fuel from nothing more than sun light and water,and it's all right there in front of us. Fancy that,mass created from sun light and water that then becomes a fuel.
So man once said that heavier than air machines couldnt fly,and yet the birds where flying just above, all day long. Im sure birds are heavier than air ;). It was only mans over sight and lack of knowledge at the time,that such a statement was made. And so it is true with the here and now. We have not reached our peak,in fact we are still very new to what science is yet to show. One thing is true,and that is that the laws of physics are made from only what we know today,and they will change as man becomes a little smarter in the art of science and physics-->and this will only come with experimentation.
Is there paid government trolls here-no,and the reason or sad truth for that is there hasnt been a credible OU device shown on this forum,or any other forum that i know of. But what there has been, is many guys here spending hard earned cash and lots of there own time trying to find the answer we seek--and this you can be proud of. So i say keep on building,keep on trying,and never give up.The worst outcome can only be that you learn every day. ;)
Quote from: tinman on December 25, 2014, 12:56:53 AM
I wouldnt say the US any more,i would say the UN.
Make no mistake,these guy's have tech that would blow your mind,and hide it quite well. If we no longer had to pay for energy,then we would all become equal's,and this is something the UN dose NOT want. The rich and powerful would also become equal's,and how to fund there lavish life styles?. There are those that like to be on top,and keep the rest of us right where they have us.
Maybe we should look a little closer to nature,as it seems to be able to do things we only dream of-->like the creation of mass,and self made fuel from nothing more than sun light and water,and it's all right there in front of us. Fancy that,mass created from sun light and water that then becomes a fuel.
So man once said that heavier than air machines couldnt fly,and yet the birds where flying just above, all day long. Im sure birds are heavier than air ;) . It was only mans over sight and lack of knowledge at the time,that such a statement was made. And so it is true with the here and now. We have not reached our peak,in fact we are still very new to what science is yet to show. One thing is true,and that is that the laws of physics are made from only what we know today,and they will change as man becomes a little smarter in the art of science and physics-->and this will only come with experimentation.
Is there paid government trolls here-no,and the reason or sad truth for that is there hasnt been a credible OU device shown on this forum,or any other forum that i know of. But what there has been, is many guys here spending hard earned cash and lots of there own time trying to find the answer we seek--and this you can be proud of. So i say keep on building,keep on trying,and never give up.The worst outcome can only be that you learn every day. ;)
Good post Tinman, I agree.
Merry Christmas.
Bill
Orb
its not the on topic posts in their field that Mark E and MH make, its when they go to google search and try to validate a position based on google and not their own testing and bench time or even personal experience..
because they will gladly step into ANY topic based on their confidence in Google or whoever.
this is very uncomfortable to see and read ...we can all do that..
and quite condescending ,sort of like the attitude "oh we need to save the idiots from themselves or when Scammers show up"or they'll throw all their money away ....
"WHAT" ???
arrogant and condescending , and when you treat men like idiots in real life you usually get put in your place very quickly .
they are sooo far into their own superiority that they can't see the forest for the tree's
MH perceives an offer to investigate a claim as some sort of endorsement of a fraud ??
he really feels this way !!
its like me saying He's a murderer because he watches murder mysteries...
and I call the cops on him ....
Nuts
people pick up on this and see it for what its worth ,the resident genius thing don't fly
"you do you.."
when it comes to things you have no personal experience with ,do us a favor
move on ...
we have computers too and can read all we want about LENR NMR NAR or water disassociation.
or even Magnetism and gravity .
when you treat men like idiots you get this type of thing [insults and such]
in person it usually gets a bit feistier...bruises black eyes and such...
thx
Chet
There is nothing wrong with using a search engine.
Google is a great tool for fact checking and research. Of course you will have to evaluate the sources and check for plausibility, as with any tool you use. What would be an alternative? Asking random people on the street? OUja boards?
If you are going to take on Newton, you need the intelligence of Einstein.
So far Lenz and Faraday stand triumphant. Why not treat these resident geniuses as devils advocates?
Madeo:
As you are already learning, this is a place that respects differing opinions and multiple points of view. I will state whatever I want to say whether you approve of it or not. Likewise, you are free to do the same. All of this should be done in the context of respect for others.
Dieter:
There is nothing to be proud about by displaying a desire for willful ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Put me on ignore, that's up to you. But know for certain that I state things of real worth, and if you want to be willfully ignorant that's your choice. Many people will back me up and many times people have thanked me for my comments.
Both of you:
Your swagger is fake and as you can see it bit you right back in the ass. Show some humility and respect for others and respect for different opinions from your own.
Chet:
Do you deserve to be scolded when you chase after pipe dreams and seemingly have lost your basic common sense? The answer is sometimes you do. You spin a story about Google searching. You are fully aware that there a many people that have a wealth of experience and education around here. I don't even compare to some of them but I can hold my own. So your story about "relying on Google" and all that stuff is a combination of pure speculation and sour grapes on your part.
You want to support a low-life in Ontario that is just looking for 50% down payments in the form of bank transfers? The narrative with that guy follows the script for a con artist to the letter. Where are your critical thinking skills? At the same time, am I actually literally physically stopping you if you want to spend your own money, drive to Ontario, do whatever you want to do to meet up with that low-life? The answer is NO, my text postings on a chat board will not stop you from doing what you want to do.
Note that I am batting 1000 and you are batting ZERO. I would love if you helped uncover something that would transform the world and were instrumental in making it all happen. Nonetheless, if another "Magnagcoaster" type of story happens and you go all go-go-ga-ga over it and it looks like nonsensical junk then myself and others will let you know what we think. You are back to the same old "problem" of respecting multiple opinions and points of view.
MileHigh
MH
Malarkey
We have found a very effective way to investigate claims cut short wasted time and minimize scamming , to offer a venue to the experimenter/claimant
at no cost whatsoever and by qualified persons with certified equipment.
you however are not part of this group and choose to play games from the sideline instead
one method yields indisputable results ,the other allows for years of nonsense pompous posturing name calling assumptions ,fighting etc etc etc ....
oh and "sour grapes too"...
I propose that your shadow boxing paper tiger fighting from "make believe land" enables a scandal much more than our method
history has proven this..[by your own citations]
end of story
this has been the airing of grievance
let the festivus begin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ)
next will be feats of strength...
Chet:
The problem is that you are the one in make-believe land. If you have technical resources to offer to an inventor, then I would think that you would want to qualify the inventor's proposition and the inventor himself or herself.
Have you seen the last two or thee Yildiz motor demos? They were complete farces. That may happen to you. You will drive eight hours, get some people and equipment together, and the inventor will have accidentally dropped his nail file into the guts of his device and the demo will be canceled. The inventor would just be 'playing the system' for the exposure.
MileHigh
Quote from: ramset on December 25, 2014, 07:35:50 AM
Orb
its not the on topic posts in their field that Mark E and MH make, its when they go to google search and try to validate a position based on google and not their own testing and bench time or even personal experience..
Let me get this straight: You object to others offering supporting references for their statements and opinions? What do you think is improper about supplanting one's own personal experience with what others have learned and published?
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because they will gladly step into ANY topic based on their confidence in Google or whoever.
this is very uncomfortable to see and read ...we can all do that..
and quite condescending ,sort of like the attitude "oh we need to save the idiots from themselves or when Scammers show up"or they'll throw all their money away ....
There are any number of people in this world who will not be discouraged from supporting scams and their perpetrators no matter how strong the evidence. James Randi calls such people "The Believers". there are however also many people who are interested in finding out what is true and what is false.
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"WHAT" ???
arrogant and condescending , and when you treat men like idiots in real life you usually get put in your place very quickly .
they are sooo far into their own superiority that they can't see the forest for the tree's
Please point to a "forest" that I have missed.
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MH perceives an offer to investigate a claim as some sort of endorsement of a fraud ??
he really feels this way !!
its like me saying He's a murderer because he watches murder mysteries...
and I call the cops on him ....
I think that it is fair to say that you continue to hold out hope for GDS long beyond the point that any reasonable person has long since correctly concluded that Greg Potter is completely full of malarky. You represent that is not an endorsement of GDS. I accept that you are not explicitly endorsing GDS. IMO you are however promoting their claims by refusing to acknowledge the overwhelming compelling evidence against them, with nothing but their constantly changing word for support. To me it is a willful ignorance.
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Nuts
people pick up on this and see it for what its worth ,the resident genius thing don't fly
"you do you.."
when it comes to things you have no personal experience with ,do us a favor
move on ...
we have computers too and can read all we want about LENR NMR NAR or water disassociation.
or even Magnetism and gravity .
when you treat men like idiots you get this type of thing [insults and such]
in person it usually gets a bit feistier...bruises black eyes and such...
Do you have any examples?
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thx
Chet
I am perfectly OK with the fact that you want to hold out hope for the hopeless cause that is GDS. That's your personal choice and right. I do object that you hold your choice as a basis to criticize those who have developed informed opinions based on facts.
Quote from: ramset on December 25, 2014, 10:38:01 AM
MH
Malarkey
We have found a very effective way to investigate claims cut short wasted time and minimize scamming , to offer a venue to the experimenter/claimant
at no cost whatsoever and by qualified persons with certified equipment.
you however are not part of this group and choose to play games from the sideline instead
one method yields indisputable results ,the other allows for years of nonsense pompous posturing name calling assumptions ,fighting etc etc etc ....
oh and "sour grapes too"...
I propose that your shadow boxing paper tiger fighting from "make believe land" enables a scandal much more than our method
history has proven this..[by your own citations]
end of story
this has been the airing of grievance
let the festivus begin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ)
next will be feats of strength...
Chet, can you show how your claimed very effective and time efficient methods have for example worked in the case of GDS?
Mark E
where do you get all this drama, "hope" "believers" etc etc ad nauseum.....
how does this
Chet
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We have found a very effective way to investigate claims cut short wasted time and minimize scamming , to offer a venue to the experimenter/claimant at no cost whatsoever and by qualified persons with certified equipment.
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what part of the above sounds like your Hope and dreams nonsense ......
sigh
In my Family we would typically go from "feats of strength" to "the Landing of blows"
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and with that a quick topic change...
I was just talking to my Kid brother about how I thought Santa Bringing his Kids a
bow and arrow for Christmas may not be the wisest gift ,and reminded him of the time we shot it up into the sky to see how far up it would go ,and then when it disappeared from sight ,stood in abject terror of it coming down and killing us....
we laughed
he reminded me of another incident with high flying projectiles ...my other kid Brother is a bit Like TK
he Builds to the extreme and stretches the boundaries ,wicked good build skills..
Well he built a Gigundo pointy long thin rocket , with all the bells and whistles ..
launched it towards the heavens 2000 ft or more ..completely out of site
Yes...the shoot system failed :o
they stood around and the same abject terror took over ,all running for the hills
Except the Builder [my Brother] he stood his ground ... staring towards the heavens waiting for his pointy projectile to come home...
as he stood mouth agape staring skyward ..
it pierced his sneaker and parted his toes [big toe and next]
The quote was ;IT PINNED HIS FOOT TO THE GROUND !!
we laughed again.....
Be careful out there with your gifts today
Don't shoot your eye out....
Merry Christmas
Chet
ps
@MH
I apologize for that paper tiger shadow boxing stuff,I won't be posting that anymore [or similar]
I know you are "doing you" and trying to help...and helping ...
I just like to cut to the chase and put it on the table...
quicker and more effective ,and much more definitive, as you point out all the ongoing unanswered devices/claims out there ..
but yes takes a much bigger commitment .
Quote from: ramset on December 25, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
Mark E
where do you get all this drama, "hope" "believers" etc etc ad nauseum.....
how does this
Chet
quote
We have found a very effective way to investigate claims cut short wasted time and minimize scamming , to offer a venue to the experimenter/claimant at no cost whatsoever and by qualified persons with certified equipment.
I ask again, if your methods are effective and time efficient then why is it that you still have not resolved that GDS is so much malarky? Please provide a specific example where these methods of your group have proven to be effective and time efficient.
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what part of the above sounds like your Hope and dreams nonsense ......
sigh
In my Family we would typically go from "feats of strength" to "the Landing of blows"
=====================
and with that a quick topic change...
I was just talking to my Kid brother about how I thought Santa Bringing his Kids a
bow and arrow for Christmas may not be the wisest gift ,and reminded him of the time we shot it up into the sky to see how far up it would go ,and then when it disappeared from sight ,stood in abject terror of it coming down and killing us....
we laughed
he reminded me of another incident with high flying projectiles ...my other kid Brother is a bit Like TK
he Builds to the extreme and stretches the boundaries
Well he built a Gigundo pointy long thin rocket , with all the bells and whistles ..
launched it towards the heavens 2000 ft or more ..completely out of site
Yes...the shoot system failed :o
they stood around and the same abject terror took over ,all running for the hills
Except the Builder [my Brother] he stood his ground ... staring towards the heavens waiting for his pointy projectile to come home...
as he stood mouth agape staring skyward ..
it pierced his sneaker and parted his toes [big toe and next]
The quote was ;IT PINNED HIS FOOT TO THE GROUND !!
we laughed again.....
Be careful out there with your gifts today
Don't shoot your eye out....
Merry Christmas
Chet
@MarkE: You and I both know that the reason Chet's methodology has not yet revealed anything concrete about GDS is only that the claimant, Potter, refuses to cooperate. This is the general case in such matters, as you know. Chet has made the offer to examine the claims scientifically and I believe that he and his consultants could do it to our satisfaction. All that is necessary is Potter's cooperation in the matter. It is our conjecture (supported by tons of evidence from past cases) that this cooperation will never actually materialize, because we understand that his claims are implausible in the extreme. Nay, they are impossible, really. This is not Chet's fault or responsibility. It is his time and money to spend, or waste, as he chooses, and I for one applaud his efforts, fruitless though they may turn out to be.
However, the kind of organization that Chet offers, already exists in multiple instances. Less than one hour's drive from Potter's alleged Oshawa location, and on the same side of the Canadian border, there exists just such a laboratory, fully equipped and eager to perform such testing, free of charge to the claimant and with full NDA, intellectual property protection, etc. Had Potter actually been willing to obtain a real scientific evaluation of his claims, he could simply have taken one of the "about ten" units he has claimed to have operational, over to this lab, dropped it off, and within three days a comprehensive report would be produced that would dispel all doubt about Potter and his claims.
Mark E
has been going on for years..
some here participate ,others have never read these pages[thankfully]
MH points out all the never ending ongoing nonsense that has a life all its own with unanswered
OU claims and ongoing sagas..
works for you but not for me..[or others]
I found I could not with clear conscience waste the time and resources of those
I have grown to Love and respect [the replicators,scientists and engineers].
So we have a very tight control for this ,it is most effective and saves much resource and wasted time.
so we grow this successful model and have tried a few dry runs here...
sorry if you take no part,and also sorry if you feel the need to be answered to...
have a good Holiday
Chet
PS
I see Tinsel posted whilst I was pounding the keys..
TK
It is OUR dream to grow this model to a world wide footprint ,thankyou for adding a resource
[and yours too]
and to be clear recent developments in my life have hindered my followup with Mr.Potter
I will next week!!
Boy ! there's a lot to respond to in these few pages.
Do think tanks, governments and giant corporations, cruse sites like this one ?
Are you kidding me !!! Why not ?
I think that I have encountered individuals trolling for ideas. Some of whom I though of as being
rather foul, maybe even loathsome or creepy, sort of like worms. But hey ! I guess some people
exalt in being creepy ?
They spend milions on accountig, or lobbying, just to save a fraction of a percent on taxes, (and reap billions in return).
Why not hire a few creeps ?
Some of you just aren't looking at this in the scale it actually exists upon.
Have you ever considered how many govs. and corps. there are that can lay down a million dollars like it was LESS THAN
pocket change is to you or I ?
Do they some times lie, cheat, murder, supress information or propagate things like war for profit ?
duh! yah, but only da bad guys ?
Do these kinds of institutions use shills ? Historically, undeniably, emphatically yes.
Do they use them here ? I'm doubting it.
Choseing a side at Armageddon is a fools chore !
...........................
Yes I've seen some really bad behavior on this forum. And definitly MOST of it from some of the big posters.
The FORUM WOULD DEFINITLY BENIFIT from those particular people, beginning to practice the art of retraction and appology.
I have not lost all respect for them. But it does show a certain lack of knowedge and intellegence on their parts.
I know how easy it is to fall into that sort of thing in an evironment like a forum, even for my self .
The people who habitually practice such lack of restraint, are in my opinion as bad as those, other wise dillusional people,
who habitually make unsubstanctiated claims, and for very similar reasons.
Think about this
And by the way, I most definitly find SOME of the ideas behind unsubstanciated claims to be the most valuable,
thought provoking, insightful and even ingenious parts of the entire forum.
Think about this too.
It's difficult to change a habit, but I for one, sure wish they would try.
.......................................
Is there nothing to be found of value on this forum ?
No O.U. ? What ever O.U. is supposed to mean.
I think O.U. is a kind of target, some thing to shoot at.
Fom one side or the other.
Would I rather be trying to hit a target or trying to shoot it down so that others can shoot at it ?
Who's in charge here any way ? humor !!!
merry christmas
floor
sorry...
that's "CAN'T shoot at it"
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 25, 2014, 03:53:26 AM
Good post Tinman, I agree.
Merry Christmas.
Bill
Thanks Bill,and merry xmas to you as well.
Brad
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They should instead follow the example of dieter and Madeo and post on-topic personal attacks, incoherent, self-debunking rants and conspiracy theories.
(Peace.)
I think the use of the term "conspiracy theories" is expressing a lot. Some people make fun of the persecuted, the stalked, the killed, by calling them crackpots.
But fact is, one is eighter very stupid and can't see what's going on in terms of a global conspiracy, or he pretends that there is no such thing because he is a part of it, or he knows it is true and may or may not openly speak about it.
It is not the governent, it is them who took over the government, as well as the cartells, including health,, food, energy, military and media that they control.
The good people out there who are not part of the conspiracy know that I speak the truth because they sense the lies whenever they open a newspaper.
Bush my ass. That's a hard fact. It's a sect. Not just coincedently some Trolls, but organised and highly motivated gang stalking. I don't know how they communicate, but it is very much like in the movie "They live" by John Carpender. Only this is for real.
If you think I personally insulted people because I mentioned that they personally insulted people, as if weight problems are proof for fraud, then it is you who selfdebunked himself very profoundly and coherently and what not.
Peace for those who deserve it.
Thanks Dieter
I really apreciate your point of view.
But one can not beat the devil at his own game, epsecially in his own back yard.
Especcially Not, by sinking to his level.
Some people are going to see things this way "It's my job to make these people see the truth, and understand these things"
Understand, you and I are didn't come here to make this same mistake our selves, did we ?
Well, maybe once in a while, Ha Ha
Paece brother
and thanks for all your integrity and good work
floor
Quote from: dieter on December 25, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
It is not the governent, it is them who took over the government, as well as the cartells, including health,, food, energy, military and media that they control.
Now this I agree with 100%.
Bill
Quote from: clixbits on December 22, 2014, 10:27:41 PM
As the subject says this is just an observation from a new member.
Whilst browsing through some of the posts in the forums I keep seeing certain people (I won't mention any names) that are VERY QUICK to dispel or attempt to disprove or ridicule various claims made.
Don't for one instant think that there aren't people here (paid shills) in the forums whose job it is to dispel, divide, disprove or ridicule.
Forums like this one and others are touching on VERY sensitive issues, that deal with global power & control mechanisms.
Those in power want to keep themselves in those positions and will do just about anything to maintain the current paradigms.
I always crack up laughing when I see posts like these. I wish you could have accompanied me on my 100 of so flights over the last few years visiting over 15 countries testing and evaluating some of these free energy claims.
Here is what happens and why no device has never came to light that can be replicated, or independently tested.
1. They do not know how to measure
2. The are delusional
3. They are con men
Many are my friends. I continue to talk to many inventors and free energy researchers who rather stay out of the forums and I respect there choices. About 85% to 90% of the research is not on the web.
I stand by my 100% record of calling many of these devices false or misleading .
Emotive commentary like yours is really a shallow excuse the scam artists love to hide behind and fleece a few more people.
I am often accused of being many things, some you have listed. Here is the real me and what I do when not working on Energy.
http://revolution-green.com/merry-xmas-philippines/ (http://revolution-green.com/merry-xmas-philippines/)
I do respect your right to express your opinion, as you should hours. After all where would Yilditz, Hope girls, John Rohner be without us?
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Quote from: markdansie on December 26, 2014, 10:30:47 PM
I always crack up laughing when I see posts like these. I wish you could have accompanied me on my 100 of so flights over the last few years visiting over 15 countries testing and evaluating some of these free energy claims.
Here is what happens and why no device has never came to light that can be replicated, or independently tested.
1. They do not know how to measure
2. The are delusional
3. They are con men
Many are my friends. I continue to talk to many inventors and free energy researchers who rather stay out of the forums and I respect there choices. About 85% to 90% of the research is not on the web.
I stand by my 100% record of calling many of these devices false or misleading .
Emotive commentary like yours is really a shallow excuse the scam artists love to hide behind and fleece a few more people.
I am often accused of being many things, some you have listed. Here is the real me and what I do when not working on Energy.
http://revolution-green.com/merry-xmas-philippines/ (http://revolution-green.com/merry-xmas-philippines/)
I do respect your right to express your opinion, as you should hours. After all where would Yilditz, Hope girls, John Rohner be without us?
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Way to go Mark, you really are a decent person. All of us that bitch about our circumstances now and again, do not realize just how much we really have.
A belated Merry Christmas to you Sir.
Bill
As always, very interesting discussion with a
diverse and very broad range of opinions.
True, water itself is not a fuel; but Water Gas
is.
The Judge in the Stanley Meyer case could not
make any determination regarding the technical
viability of what Stan had developed, however,
he could and did make a determination regarding
Stan's business practices. What Stan was attempting
for financial gain was fraudulent. Stan, unfortunately,
fell victim to The Love of Money.
The U.S. Military Services are not directly engaged in
developmental research seeking new and unorthodox
technologies but they do maintain control over the
funding and security of such programs which are
carried out by 'contractors.' These programs are
typically 'Black' meaning that they are extremely
highly classified and opaque. Deep Underground.
Controlled and managed by the 'invisible' U.S.
Government.
The U.S. Military Services do engage in application
research alongside contractors which is intended to
exploit new technologies for purposes of warfare.
This research is typically somewhat transparent in
that it is coordinated and approved by Congress.
Although highly classified these programs are
necessarily within the realm of the 'visible' U.S.
Government.
At the present time the only form of Free Energy
which is abundant it its existence is that of
Money Creation and Debt Magnified by Usury.
The 'unaccountable to anyone' Federal Reserve
System rakes in billions in 'free energy' each day.
The ongoing 'Ukraine Operation' (which is in reality
an attack on Russia) is all about sustaining hegemony
and the unhindered domination of World Financial
Operations in U.S. Petro-Dollars.
Collapse is nearer than we may wish to believe.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on December 28, 2014, 01:07:33 AM
As always, very interesting discussion with a
diverse and very broad range of opinions.
True, water itself is not a fuel; but Water Gas
is.
Unfortunately "Water Gas" is not water. It is a mixture O
2 and H
2 gasses that can react, giving up energy and producing water as the end product.
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The Judge in the Stanley Meyer case could not
make any determination regarding the technical
viability of what Stan had developed, however,
he could and did make a determination regarding
Stan's business practices. What Stan was attempting
for financial gain was fraudulent. Stan, unfortunately,
fell victim to The Love of Money.
Stan Meyer could and did commit fraud as the judge found in the practice of his "water fuel" business. Over 15 years later no one can reproduce the miracle that Stan Meyer the fraud claimed. Hello???
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The U.S. Military Services are not directly engaged in
developmental research seeking new and unorthodox
technologies but they do maintain control over the
funding and security of such programs which are
carried out by 'contractors.'
The MIC has lots of private contractors. The armed forces also have labs of their own. The Air Force Research Lab is but one example.
QuoteThese programs are
typically 'Black' meaning that they are extremely
highly classified and opaque. Deep Underground.
Controlled and managed by the 'invisible' U.S.
Government.
While there are plenty of classified programs, the government does conduct research into unproven areas. Multiple agencies have and continue to for example research LENR/LANR/cold-fusion.
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The U.S. Military Services do engage in application
research alongside contractors which is intended to
exploit new technologies for purposes of warfare.
This research is typically somewhat transparent in
that it is coordinated and approved by Congress.
Although highly classified these programs are
necessarily within the realm of the 'visible' U.S.
Government.
At the present time the only form of Free Energy
which is abundant it its existence is that of
Money Creation and Debt Magnified by Usury.
The 'unaccountable to anyone' Federal Reserve
System rakes in billions in 'free energy' each day.
The Fed discount window has been handing out around $400 billion of free money to the big banks each year since 2009. Two trillion later, the banks are back to their private risk with public backing. After the new Congress comes in this will get much worse and much riskier.
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The ongoing 'Ukraine Operation' (which is in reality
an attack on Russia) is all about sustaining hegemony
and the unhindered domination of World Financial
Operations in U.S. Petro-Dollars.
Unfortunately, you have oversimplified things. Putin is very keen on reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Crimea was overrun by the Russians, not NATO. Russia is in Eastern Ukraine, not NATO. Putin as a provocateur doesn't leave the USA with clean hands, particularly in the last 30 years in the Middle East.
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Collapse is nearer than we may wish to believe.
The scary situations are: The extremely dangerous military players are the complete nut cases Netanyahu and Putin. The threat to the global economy are the big banks which have effectively bought themselves the major Western governments. The dangerous games being played could cause a global economic catastrophe far worse than 2008.
QuoteThe extremely dangerous military players are the complete nut cases Netanyahu and Putin.
Putin is not crazy all by himself. He needs his crazy european and transatlantic partners to dance. I think Russia should seek to intensify their military and economic relationship with Cuba and watch what happens then.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on December 28, 2014, 01:41:32 AM
Putin is not crazy all by himself. He needs his crazy european and transatlantic partners to dance. I think Russia should seek to intensify their military and economic relationship with Cuba and watch what happens then.
There is nothing like a bit of brinksmanship. Maybe first Obama can borrow from Kennedy and install missiles in Turkey to get things going.
Quote from: MarkE on December 28, 2014, 02:27:33 AM
There is nothing like a bit of brinksmanship. Maybe first Obama can borrow from Kennedy and install missiles in Turkey to get things going.
Or in Ukraine. Oh, wait...
Please do not confuse Russia with the former
Soviet Union.
Russia endured the forcibly imposed foreign
dominated Soviet (very corrupt, very brutal,
very bloody) from the Revolution by Rothschild
in 1917 until its collapse and demise.
Millions (most accounts number 60 million but
some have speculated that it may have been as
many as 80 million) of Russians were brutally
tortured and murdered and their properties
confiscated as the Soviet went about its business.
It will take some amount of time for the trauma of
the Soviet System to dissipate and for Russia to
regain what it has lost. Russia is on the mend.
If your thoughts regarding Putin and Russia are
your own sincerely held beliefs then you embody
in the fullest sense a paradox. It is difficult to
imagine that anyone who seems as intelligent as
you who espouses the virtue of discerning fact from
fiction could so easily fall prey to U.S. propaganda.
TRUTH is available to ALL who will but open their eyes.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on December 28, 2014, 02:56:09 AM
Please do not confuse Russia with the former
Soviet Union.
100% Absolute bullshit.
Im a Russian translator and lived there for 4 years.Soviet mentality is as ALIVE as it ever was, Putins wet dream is to bring back the soviet union and the Russians LOVE HIM for it.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on December 28, 2014, 02:56:09 AM
Please do not confuse Russia with the former
Soviet Union.
Russia endured the forcibly imposed foreign
dominated Soviet (very corrupt, very brutal,
very bloody) from the Revolution by Rothschild
in 1917 until its collapse and demise.
Millions (most accounts number 60 million but
some have speculated that it may have been as
many as 80 million) of Russians were brutally
tortured and murdered and their properties
confiscated as the Soviet went about its business.
It will take some amount of time for the trauma of
the Soviet System to dissipate and for Russia to
regain what it has lost. Russia is on the mend.
If your thoughts regarding Putin and Russia are
your own sincerely held beliefs then you embody
in the fullest sense a paradox. It is difficult to
imagine that anyone who seems as intelligent as
you who espouses the virtue of discerning fact from
fiction could so easily fall prey to U.S. propaganda.
TRUTH is available to ALL who will but open their eyes.
Broad ambitions by leaders often lead to disastrous consequences for many. The world has lived through the USA's unilateral assaults on the Middle East. Putin's war in Ukraine is no party for the folks there either. Multiple wrongs do not make a right.
The mere fact that Tesla, our greatest inventor (of just about everything) has been scrubbed from the history books is clear evidence of a concerted effort by the inbred elite to keep us enslaved in a constructed debt economy.
To think they don't troll these types of forums derailing progress toward energy self sufficiency in absurd beyond comprehension.
All they need are a few useful idiots to back them up, and 'bob's yer uncle' instant suppression for free.
There are few things in society as socially destructive as a minimum of intelligence and a massive ego.
Regards...
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Putin's war in Ukraine is no party for the folks there either.
...
The 'war' in The Ukraine was scripted and
initiated by the U.S. at the behest of the
NeoCon controllers for the ultimate benefit
of Israel.
Putin and the People of Russia are defending
what is under attack. The People of Crimea
have chosen to re-unite with Russia.
This Ukraine Operation is Obongo's War, the
aim of which is to immediately benefit the
Federal Reserve System and the Petro-Dollar
in order to continue unabated support for the
State of Israel.
The NeoCon vision is for the U.S. to reign supreme
over all nations on Planet Earth to enable the
State of Israel to declare itself Messiah.
The New Order of the World.
Please do your homework.The NeoCon controlled U.S. cares nothing for the
People of The Ukraine. They are cannon fodder.
Though not yet apparent to most who reside in
the West, it will become glaringly obvious in the
coming near future.
Without war and full spectrum domination over all
of the nations The West will collapse under its
mountain of 'debt.'
Quote from: SeaMonkey on December 28, 2014, 06:31:04 PM
The 'war' in The Ukraine was scripted and
initiated by the U.S. at the behest of the
NeoCon controllers for the ultimate benefit
of Israel.
Really? Please explain how they managed to get the Russians to overrun Crimea.
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Putin and the People of Russia are defending
what is under attack. The People of Crimea
have chosen to re-unite with Russia.
I would LOL here if the actual situation were not so serious.
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This Ukraine Operation is Obongo's War, the
aim of which is to immediately benefit the
Federal Reserve System and the Petro-Dollar
in order to continue unabated support for the
State of Israel.
You are missing quite a few dots there. Would you care to fill them in?
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The NeoCon vision is for the U.S. to reign supreme
over all nations on Planet Earth to enable the
State of Israel to declare itself Messiah.
You are within shooting distance of the Neocon / PNAC dominance idea known as "The New American Century" (The term "Thousand Year Reich" had already been used.) You'll have to explain how a state can declare itself a person, especially when Brian has already declared that he is not the messiah and his mother says that he is a very naughty boy.
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The New Order of the World.
Please do your homework. (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue.of.Satan/1974-1990.htm)
Please get a better grip on verifiable fact.
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The NeoCon controlled U.S. cares nothing for the
People of The Ukraine. They are cannon fodder.
That statement is reasonably true.
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Though not yet apparent to most who reside in
the West, it will become glaringly obvious in the
coming near future.
Proxy wars have never been about the platitudes offered in propaganda. You do understand that propaganda is a tool typically used by all major players don't you?
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Without war and full spectrum domination over all
of the nations The West will collapse under its
mountain of 'debt.'
That reads a lot more like jingoistic propaganda than it does any kind of sober evaluation based on facts.
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American Meddling/interference in foreign politics, Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvRljAaNgg
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This video serves to show the level of psychopathy in American Law enforcement and Government is no better. The same can be
said for some other countries operating under their so called "rule of Law". Allies to the US of course, and this is not to say other
countries have no corruption it's just to point out that the US stands on false High moral ground, they are just as psycho as any
other countries leaders on the planet, they just try to sly dog about it. The higher ups that will try to protect him at first to keep
him in the job might then throw him under the bus and abandon the drug planting bad cop, he's prepared to ruin another mans
life for a bust so they would want to keep him if they could. Let's see if anyone can show he was convicted and jailed for his
attempt at crime while pretending to be a real officer of the Law.. Fact is he is a very dangerous criminal and should not even get
bail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMA1Otuat2U
He should be in jail already.
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It makes one wonder how the U.S.A. That owes more money than any other country can claim to be the world leader in many
different respects. The reasons the U.S. has a firm grip on most of the world is through the petro dollar and fear=terror.
Truth is the economies of almost all countries have been sucked dry and mismanaged by a bunch of psychopaths.
People are frightened to speak against the Authorities even here in Australia, because we know they can hear us if they want.
The things our governments do usually always have a reverse effect to what they claim the implemented measures will do.
Masters of deceiving the masses. Mainstream Media is controlled no doubt in my mind.
Google is not our friend. Hahahahaha.
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Quote from: Farmhand on December 28, 2014, 10:43:39 PM
It makes one wonder how the U.S.A. That owes more money than any other country can claim to be the world leader in many
different respects. The reasons the U.S. has a firm grip on most of the world is through the petro dollar and fear=terror.
Truth is the economies of almost all countries have been sucked dry and mismanaged by a bunch of psychopaths.
People are frightened to speak against the Authorities even here in Australia, because we know they can hear us if they want.
The things our governments do usually always have a reverse effect to what they claim the implemented measures will do.
Masters of deceiving the masses. Mainstream Media is controlled no doubt in my mind.
Google is not our friend. Hahahahaha.
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Farmhand:
Please just know that the "leadership" of this country does not speak for me, nor do I share their views. Actually, I do not know anyone personally that agrees with them. Looking forward to 2016. I love my country and the Constitution, they do not.
Bill