http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Zsolooo
From: zsolooo
To: JoesCell2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [JoesCell2] YEEESSS I did it !!!!!!!!!!!!
Finaly! It works!!!!!!! Amazing It works, it really works.Joe has
right. Thanks for him.
Exactly I don't know how, but I did it, I just attached my cell to the
engine and I charged it as previously, after every 4 hour for 5 minits
at 12V. The cell was filled up with rain water. After a week I have
observed that the motor ran (mazda 626 from 1985 with carburator)
different way. And when I changed the angle of timing it was more
powerful and when I disconnected the fuel line it worked for another 1
hour. After this I went to sleep. But I can't. I have some pictures
about my cell in my folder in the photos.
JC experimenters keep continue.
Zsolooo
Ok every one. What other proof do you need. By the way lltfdaniel1, did you verify the authenticity of this claim even if only for your own piece of mind?
Regards
AM
Hi,
Yes, there are no photos of a completed cell, I too would like to see what top he/she is using on the cell, what spacers are used, details about charge current/voltage, PH and redox levels of the water.
It is so easy to claim success, but carries no weight without some results, parameters, photos etc.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: mramos on December 25, 2006, 06:33:25 PM
But hey, it is Christmas. The perfect day to do it, or make a gag post..
Funny thing, I was working on my TPU and due to time shift effect I was at first of April!
AM
I do not dismiss anything. We live in an infinite universe and there are infinite possibilities.
However, there should be a code of conduct on posting anything to stop time wasters. There are people who have been "researching" OU for 20 years and not have achieved anything yet. If a person has made a device and does not know how he got it working is he willing to let other people look at it? Or, can he replicate it? I think reports like this should be ignored totally. I am sorry but there are a lot of individuals who like to string people along. I will not name names.
AM
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on December 25, 2006, 11:36:59 AM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Zsolooo
From: zsolooo
To: JoesCell2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [JoesCell2] YEEESSS I did it !!!!!!!!!!!!
Finaly! It works!!!!!!! Amazing It works, it really works.Joe has
right. Thanks for him.
Exactly I don't know how, but I did it, I just attached my cell to the
engine and I charged it as previously, after every 4 hour for 5 minits
at 12V. The cell was filled up with rain water. After a week I have
observed that the motor ran (mazda 626 from 1985 with carburator)
different way. And when I changed the angle of timing it was more
powerful and when I disconnected the fuel line it worked for another 1
hour. After this I went to sleep. But I can't. I have some pictures
about my cell in my folder in the photos.
JC experimenters keep continue.
Zsolooo
I would love to attempt to replicate this device. Will you or anybody else post construction details of this cell?
Oscar
Quote from: OscarMeyer on January 11, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
I would love to attempt to replicate this device. Will you or anybody else post construction details of this cell?
Oscar
Are you NUTSSS! Leave this thing alone, before it's too late. Have not you heard of Bill Williams? I guess not, so let me introduce you to reality, friend:
Joe Cell Truck Builder Threatened, Destroys Plans
After announcing that he had successfully built a truck that runs on Joe Cell technology, drawing energy from water and Orgone, Bill Williams said he was approached by two men who demanded that he stop his research, threatening him with dire consequences if he didn't. Others are keeping it alive.
by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
Joe Cell
USA -- A couple of weeks ago, Bill Williams told a discussion list that he successfully ran his truck on a device known as the Joe Cell. The power was far greater than the regular combustion engine -- and the energy was free.
The Joe Cell is said to draw on Orgone energy. The fairly simple device uses electrically charged water as the "gate" or medium through which the aetheric energy is drawn from the surroundings and transferred to the automobile engine.
Bill had posted images and rough descriptions, and was in process of disclosing in greater detail how he accomplished this, when he was confronted last week by two unidentified individuals who told him to cease all of his alternative energy work or there would be dire consequences.
On April 11, Bill gave the following account of what happened just a few days after announcing his success.
"I was on my way home Thursday last week [April 6, 2006] and was about 3 miles from the ferry project. I stopped to check the post connection point on the Cell. I was standing in front of my truck, and this late model 2005 or 2006 Ford Explorer pulled up and parked diagonally in front of my truck.
"The driver got out of the rig and walked around in front of their rig and approached me. At about the same time, the passenger opened his door.
"The driver stated that they wanted me to stop working on all forms of alternative energy. He also stated that we know everything about me, my family, and all my projects past and present.
"At about that time the passenger reached and held up a file that was about 2 or so inches thick. He opened it up and showed me telephone transcripts, emails, messages from the groups that I had belonged to.
"They knew where my kids worked, the times they are at work; also my wife's working hours, my grandkids' school, etc. They knew everything.
"The driver said that if I did not stop working on this (he then opened up the left side of his jacket and showed his weapon that was holstered) that there would be other consequences.
"He also stated that he wanted me to post that I was no longer working in this field and to destroy all my work, i.e. Cells, Drawings, Lab Journals, everything!
"At that point he walked around and got into the rig. I shut the hood and got the hell out of there. They followed me for about 2 miles and then must have turned off somewhere."
After a few days of contemplation, Bill decided to abide by the demands of those who threatened him. He destroyed the cell and all data and documentation and disabled the website on which he had posted plans. Four days after that incident, Bill wrote the following message to the group:
"I thought I was strong but when illness to the family comes into play, I have failed. I am truly sorry. I will not be working in any form of alternative energy field anymore. [...]
"I destroyed my device tonight along with my written data and lab notes as per specked out."
I'll take my chances, World Order. They would not try to stop something if it didn't really work. I am not scared.
If I can get a good set of plans, I will build this thing to the letter. I have an old carberated engine I could use it on. I don't want to run a stupid car on this thing. Just want to run a generator fixed to my carberated engine.
If it works, I will publish my finding here first. If it fails, I will publish these findings too. This seems doable to me.
Oscar ;)
Quote from: OscarMeyer on January 12, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
I'll take my chances, World Order. They would not try to stop something if it didn't really work. I am not scared.
If I can get a good set of plans, I will build this thing to the letter. I have an old carberated engine I could use it on. I don't want to run a stupid car on this thing. Just want to run a generator fixed to my carberated engine.
If it works, I will publish my finding here first. If it fails, I will publish these findings too. This seems doable to me.
Oscar ;)
Oscar, the Power in place is watching the FE scene through all means available. They are on forums, read emails and phone calls, personal surveillance through all electronic means and more.
I know someone who is researching FE devices and today he came to see me with some ideas that may result in something good. As he approached my house with his car, my router stopped working and we detected strong RF signals scrambling the link of the computer to the router, handshake protocol was affected. The strong signal comes from his car and as he left, my router started working well as usual. It's a Linksys. He is followed most of the time by cars and commercial vehicles lettered to nonexistent company names.
I don't think that will stop him from doing research but they have not reach the point of contacting him yet. If he tells me one day that he quits the scene, I will know why. He can take the pressure but if they go for his kids, he will stop for sure.
Don't underestimate the opposition, work quietly and be very careful. They leave innocent signs of intrusion: disabled alarms, loose bolts, broken light bulbs, install small RFID to personal objects and some emitters in the GHz spectrum. If something strange happens or you encounter similar happenings, you will know who it is from and it is not from your guardian angel.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on January 12, 2009, 01:32:01 AM
Oscar, the Power in place is watching the FE scene through all means available. They are on forums, read emails and phone calls, personal surveillance through all electronic means and more.
I know someone who is researching FE devices and today he came to see me with some ideas that may result in something good. As he approached my house with his car, my router stopped working and we detected strong RF signals scrambling the link of the computer to the router, handshake protocol was affected. The strong signal comes from his car and as he left, my router started working well as usual. It's a Linksys. He is followed most of the time by cars and commercial vehicles lettered to nonexistent company names.
I don't think that will stop him from doing research but they have not reach the point of contacting him yet. If he tells me one day that he quits the scene, I will know why. He can take the pressure but if they go for his kids, he will stop for sure.
Don't underestimate the opposition, work quietly and be very careful. They leave innocent signs of intrusion: disabled alarms, loose bolts, broken light bulbs, install small RFID to personal objects and some emitters in the GHz spectrum. If something strange happens or you encounter similar happenings, you will know who it is from and it is not from your guardian angel.
Take care,
Michel
Thank you for the advice. I would also like to thank an anynomous person who sent me the link for exact plans in a private message to my account here and I will not mention your name.
The link is:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mrbreau/album/576460762372393719
Unfortunately, the link says something like file not found. I am running into this alot on the web concerning these plans.
I will continue to solicit any help from you great people here. Private messages will be researched if you are afraid. I am NOT afaraid. I am hoping they will contact me. I have a message for them in private as well.
Oscar
I built several of these and was the original owner of the yahoo groups site on the Joe Cell. Mine never worked. One person that kept posting stated his had...finally after months of pushing we got his "idea" of working....pulled the gas line and it ran for 30 seconds to a minute then died. Nothing more than gas in the lines.
I bought a metal lathe and several hundred dollars in SS pipe...it was a learning experience. Alex is the only one I'm convinced that duplicated the cell but even he stated it was not reliable and did not understand how or why it worked.
Anyway, you start chasing this one you'll just end up tired and shy a few hundred dollars.
If someone can produce a video showing the vehicle running with only the cell attached I'd be more inclined to believe, until then I call BS.
Rich
Quote from: oouthere on January 12, 2009, 02:20:32 PM
I built several of these and was the original owner of the yahoo groups site on the Joe Cell. Mine never worked. One person that kept posting stated his had...finally after months of pushing we got his "idea" of working....pulled the gas line and it ran for 30 seconds to a minute then died. Nothing more than gas in the lines.
I bought a metal lathe and several hundred dollars in SS pipe...it was a learning experience. Alex is the only one I'm convinced that duplicated the cell but even he stated it was not reliable and did not understand how or why it worked.
Anyway, you start chasing this one you'll just end up tired and shy a few hundred dollars.
If someone can produce a video showing the vehicle running with only the cell attached I'd be more inclined to believe, until then I call BS.
Rich
My thanks again to all the people who took the time out of their busy schedules to privately send me advice and GREAT links!!! Yes!!!
The one I'm posting right now is the VIDEO that shows a carberated engine running with the Joe Cell with NO GASOLINE at all!!!
This must be why the oil people are so upset and are trying to stop anyone from making these things. The video shows the timing is set at 70 degrees and the Joe Cell is only hooked up to ground. The hot wire or power wire is not even connected to the battery.
It's on now. I'm getting some of the parts this weekend and going for this one. This is doable.
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-q6HGmN07o&feature=PlayList&p=4754948527CF738E&playnext=1&index=31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-q6HGmN07o&feature=PlayList&p=4754948527CF738E&playnext=1&index=31
Hello Oscar,
I must say I was a little skeptical at first but after having seen the video, I can see that it works and works pretty well.
I'm in Oscar. I'm going to set aside some time to join you in this project as it looks very promising. We can compare notes on the best way to build the Joe Cell step by step.
I do believe that the powers that be not only want to stop the “Joe Cell Builders†because it works but also because of its simplistic design. It doesn’t require any fancy or elaborate electronic circuitry making it extremely easy to replicate providing you stick to the proven designs like the one in the video you posted.
I’m going to post some pictures I found of a deconstructed cell that closest resembles the one in the video that was working.
Sincerely,
Joe
Hello Everybody,
I couldn't attach the photos I have because they are too large so here's the link of close photos here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Bill_Williams
Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to quickly address a concern made earlier by a member in this thread. If you think you are being bugged, the cheap way to find out is by purchasing an analog SWR meter that has a built-in field stength meter. It will detect any transmitters when you are sweeping your car, home or office no matter which band or frequency is being transmitted. The needle should peg out when you are right on top of it or very close to the transmitting device.
Enjoy the pictures in my last post.
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 12, 2009, 11:26:18 PM
Hello Oscar,
I must say I was a little skeptical at first but after having seen the video, I can see that it works and works pretty well.
I'm in Oscar. I'm going to set aside some time to join you in this project as it looks very promising. We can compare notes on the best way to build the Joe Cell step by step.
I do believe that the powers that be not only want to stop the “Joe Cell Builders†because it works but also because of its simplistic design. It doesn’t require any fancy or elaborate electronic circuitry making it extremely easy to replicate providing you stick to the proven designs like the one in the video you posted.
I’m going to post some pictures I found of a deconstructed cell that closest resembles the one in the video that was working.
Sincerely,
Joe
This site is so cool. I love watching all these different people of so many different backgrounds and countries coming together for the good of the human race. Thank you Chessnyt!! Glad to be working with you. I have a good feeling about this.
I enjoyed your advice on bug crushing too. Getting rid of unwanted ears is good peace of mind. If anyone chooses to join us, feel free. It's not a closed loop project. Let us begin!!!!!
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
I look forward to working with you as well. Together is the key. If we succeed at this endeavor we have begun together, the world will benefit greatly and the obsolete oil industry will fall and forever lose its iron grip on the energy dependant planet we all share.
I’ve seen many other promising technologies here and elsewhere on the internet but unfortunately, selfishness, secrecy, proprietarism and outright greed have hindered them from ever becoming a reality for the world to benefit from.
As far as the “bug crushing†advice, I have left out one important detail. When you discover any form of a transmitter, you should not destroy it or report it to the authorities. In fact, you should not tamper with the device at all. The key is to never let on that you are aware it is present. Planted bugs can benefit you immensely if you follow my advice.
You can exploit the eavesdropping device by using it to disseminate false information. For example, staging a conversation in which you express with regret that your device has failed and you have no hopes of getting it to ever work properly. Be creative but just don’t get carried away. If you are too far fetched in your false information campaign, these people will figure this out. Try to stick to things that can not be easily verified.
Anyways, the next step is to determine materials and size specifications.
Just remember that when you don’t get what you really want, you get an education (just ask Edison if he were still alive). He failed over 1000 times in 1000 different experiments before he got the light bulb right.
Sincerely,
Joe
Link ist deletet
can i heve the pic
pese@marsmail.de
Dear Pese,
I am very sorry that many of the links that have been previously posted in this thread have either been deleted or blocked by people who do not want you to see this working Joe Cell set of photos. I would have posted them here directly, but the photo file sizes are too large and this site will not allow me to put them up.
Try this alternate link for color photos of the cell. There are about 5 here I believe:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=372099667
Quote from: chessnyt on January 14, 2009, 11:58:59 PM
Dear Pese,
I am very sorry that many of the links that have been previously posted in this thread have either been deleted or blocked by people who do not want you to see this working Joe Cell set of photos. I would have posted them here directly, but the photo file sizes are too large and this site will not allow me to put them up.
Try this alternate link for color photos of the cell. There are about 5 here I believe:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=372099667
The pictures are very good! Have you determined the specs on the cylinders? I'm going shopping for the parts and need a list of materials.
I noticed the blocked or deleted links here and elsewhere on the net. I can see it's not a coincidence. I'm glad at least one person is brave enough to build this with me. Many people freak out when it comes to bullys.
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
I have obtained the specifications of the entire cell from a source who insists on complete anonymity. I will honor this person’s request and there will never be a mention made of this person’s name, gender or locale.
The design that has been given me is not going to be found anywhere on the internet that I am aware of thus I have sent two copies of the designs to two people that I can trust who will fully publish these plans placing them into the public domain should anything happen to me (car accident, struck by lightning, heart attack, fall off of a high rooftop or just simply come down with a sudden case of death).
The first items you need to purchase are five pipes of the following dimensions:
#1 Pipe â€" 1†diameter by 8†in length.
#2 Pipe â€" 2†diameter by 8†in length.
#3 Pipe â€" 3†diameter by 8†in length.
#4 Pipe â€" 4†diameter by 8†in length.
#5 Pipe â€" 5†diameter by 10†in length.
All pipes need to be made of 316L stainless steel (non-magnetic). This should be enough to get you started. Do not purchase these items online or by credit card, check, money order or ATM card. Pay by cash only and do not purchase from any source that requires a name or telephone number to complete the transaction.
Just so you know, it has been explained to me that this is not electrolysis hydrogen on demand or a gas supplemental cell even though it might appear to be extremely similar.
As simplistic as the cell seems to be, there is a long process involved in getting it to function properly which I will be explaining in detail at the appropriate time.
Bye for now,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 17, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
Hello Oscar,
I have obtained the specifications of the entire cell from a source who insists on complete anonymity. I will honor this person’s request and there will never be a mention made of this person’s name, gender or locale.
The design that has been given me is not going to be found anywhere on the internet that I am aware of thus I have sent two copies of the designs to two people that I can trust who will fully publish these plans placing them into the public domain should anything happen to me (car accident, struck by lightning, heart attack, fall off of a high rooftop or just simply come down with a sudden case of death).
The first items you need to purchase are five pipes of the following dimensions:
#1 Pipe â€" 1†diameter by 8†in length.
#2 Pipe â€" 2†diameter by 8†in length.
#3 Pipe â€" 3†diameter by 8†in length.
#4 Pipe â€" 4†diameter by 8†in length.
#5 Pipe â€" 5†diameter by 10†in length.
All pipes need to be made of 316L stainless steel (non-magnetic). This should be enough to get you started. Do not purchase these items online or by credit card, check, money order or ATM card. Pay by cash only and do not purchase from any source that requires a name or telephone number to complete the transaction.
Just so you know, it has been explained to me that this is not electrolysis hydrogen on demand or a gas supplemental cell even though it might appear to be extremely similar.
As simplistic as the cell seems to be, there is a long process involved in getting it to function properly which I will be explaining in detail at the appropriate time.
Bye for now,
Joe
I've got the shopping list. When you say 8 inches long or 10 inches long for the pipes, I;m assuming you mean buy then at any length over these lengths and cut them to length at home.
What is with all of the secrecy about this cell? I've noticed people building hydrogen-on-demand cells without thinking twice. I kinda think the technology might even be military classified information. It is supposed to be using Orgone energy which if you check with the sceince people, it doesn't exist. It's like you just mentioned the Easter bunny to them.
Build'n,
Oscar
Quote from: OscarMeyer on January 12, 2009, 12:19:38 AMI'll take my chances, World Order. They would not try to stop something if it didn't really work. I am not scared.
Thank you!!! We need more strong people, not wimps!! I've been threatened, but sometimes wonder if they're just scare tactics. Anyhow, good for you!! Keep up the good work.
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on December 25, 2006, 11:36:59 AM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Zsolooo
From: zsolooo
To: JoesCell2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [JoesCell2] YEEESSS I did it !!!!!!!!!!!!
Finaly! It works!!!!!!! Amazing It works, it really works.Joe has
right. Thanks for him.
Exactly I don't know how, but I did it, I just attached my cell to the
engine and I charged it as previously, after every 4 hour for 5 minits
at 12V. The cell was filled up with rain water. After a week I have
observed that the motor ran (mazda 626 from 1985 with carburator)
different way. And when I changed the angle of timing it was more
powerful and when I disconnected the fuel line it worked for another 1
hour. After this I went to sleep. But I can't. I have some pictures
about my cell in my folder in the photos.
JC experimenters keep continue.
Zsolooo
Okay, I'm confused because Sterling (owner of peswiki.com) has changed that peswiki page saying it is "HOAX." Is that true, or not?
BTW, Sterling is on C2C AM radio tonight.
Thanks,
PL
I have a small 5 cylinder Joe Cell for experimenting with: 316L stainless, outside diameter 4 inches, half inch decrementing cylinders, 7 inches long. Housed in an inline water filter container.
I had it powered on the bench a few months ago for a couple of weeks. It does tend to have some peculiar effects:
After a few hours ontime the bubbles will gather in a thin foam on the surface, much more than in any sheet cell I´ve experimented with. When operating in this foamy mode the current draw is the same but the bubbles are much louder when ignited. And it´s not because of the foam buildup, you can remove all of the foam with tissue paper and then ignite one of the fresh bubbles, it is much louder compared to a similar sized bubble when the cell is uncharged or from a flat plate cell.
When I mismanaged it by leaving it unvolted or overvolted for a more than 30 mins or so then I lost the high energy bubbles and had to rinse and refill and then recharge in order to get the surface tension and more energetic bubbles again. Strangely if you leave the dry cell on a shelf for a week or two then it seems to reset it and then you can recharge it quickly again to achieve high energy bubbles. If you just rinse and try the recharge it will take much longer.
I have read that a good cell will emit a healthy "aura" to all around and that a mismanaged cell will emit an unhealthy "aura", all I can say is that my experiences up until now can only confirm this. Before commenting with any more certainty on this matter I´ll need to spend many more hours with a running cell in the house.
I foolishly overvolted it to 20v for about 24hrs and caused the anode surfaces to pit up a little but it still exhibits the above traits.
Forgive me for my newness when it comes the amount of posts on this forum, (never posted) I'm one of those forumskulkers that never posts, but indulge in as much information as possible concerning all the suppressed Fe devices that is so long sought after by all the people but the powers that currently and have been for a long time controlling this planet.
Who i am is of no impotence, i prefer the anonymity.
So far i have not contributed to anything of real importance, regarding Fe technology, today may be the day tho, who knows.
As most others i assume who is doing research on this subject, cant help but starting to see the bigger picture of things and all the changes on so many levels that needs to be done to the way the whole "system" currently works, if u know what I'm talking about, in order for all of humanity to start benefitting from Fe devices and what makes them work.
That said, it inevitably leads in one way or another to allot of different side subjects, and one in particular, UFOs.
At least it has for me.
And that's that for introduction ;)
But to the point of all of this, Wtf (excuse my language) does the Joe cell have in common whit UFOs and whatnot connected to that, one might think after reading this, right ?
Well, excuse me if i jump to conclusion's, since i have not had the time yet, to read up on the whole operating principle of the "Joe cell" in particular.
But, i couldn't help to notice the patterns the sheets of the different steel tubes form, when assembled and looked on from above it, and it reminded me of crop circle formations.
That, you and/or others on board replicating the "Joe cell" may or may not be familiar whit.
The pattern i am talking about, circles whit in circles, is depicted many times in different crop circle formations.
It's called the watersphere, and is usually accompanied whit the "atomic" symbol of hydrogen.
I hope u/and or others know what i mean, otherwise a quick search on youtube (keyword : crop circles) would suffice for some viewingpleasure.
This one in particular relates pretty decently to what I'm trying to say ; http://youtube.com/watch?v=YLBePbCxhCA
At 0:42 - 0:50 sec in the video, a specific picture whit a few symbols, made me think about the different approaches to more energy efficiently harnessing the hydrogen in water, than the classical "established" approach of electrolysis.
Deciphering the meaning of the symbols used is the hard part, one can also look at it as some kind of 3d modell...
First impression i got was that it was microwaves or sound, didn't Keely experiment whit microwaves, or am i remembering it wrong ?
The strange "S" like symbol reminds me of leedskalnin, and the http://www.coralcastlecode.com for those familiar whit that, from the 3d perspective tho, looks like a simple powercord tho.
But what really got me thinking about it is the last symbol, the solid rectangle whit the layers and the 4 circles at the corners, is it possible it is a visual representation on what freqency to use, and how the sound/water pattern would look like just as shown here :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fKjt-1Tisqg (Warning high volume "irritating" sounds, turn down youre volume just to be safe then tune it to youre liking)
Of course i could be wrong, but what if there is something to it.
Hello everyone,
This is my first attempt at replicating a Joe Cell. I do not know if it is really going to work. I have never seen one in person working. In fact, I have never seen one in person, period. I have viewed the video that Oscar posted very carefully on a frame by frame basis and I have no way of knowing for sure that the fuel line cut-out valve is actually closed or not as the video’s maker claims.
It does appear authentic, though, because of the timing setting that is displayed while the engine is running in the background. This engine would not run this smoothly on gasoline with the timing this far advanced.
There is only one way to be sure if this thing really works or not. Building it will prove it to me. This is why Oscar and I are building this cell at the same time. His may work but mine might not. But at least we can give this thing a fair shot. I’m hoping both our cells will work. We will actually be buiding two cells. The cell Oscar and I are building now is called the "charging vat". The actual engine cell is very different.
I’m sure there are others building this cell with us (don’t lie, you people know who you are) and this also increases our chances at success.
The instructions I have been given are slightly different from the ones I’ve seen online. The person that donated the plans I have wishes to remain anonymous and that is fine by me. It’s important to respect the wishes of people who are going out of their way (and maybe even risking their necks) to help us.
I’m with Oscar. Let the chips fall where they may, but I’m going to see this thing through. I’m just mad as hell, and I’m just not going to take this crap anymore (I stole this quote). We’re supposed to be “free†in this country to pursue happiness and the American dream. We’re supposed to be free to contribute to our country. We’re supposed to be free to try to help our fellow citizens live a better life. We’re supposed to be free to better the world which we all share. But what is freedom if we’re forced to remain under the control of the current greedy energy providers even when cleaner and less expensive alternatives may exist? What good is freedom of religion or freedom of speech if we’re not free to become energy independent too? Last time I checked, there was supposed to be liberty and justice for all. Not just for the few filthy rich oil tycoons.
By the way, Oscar is not going to make any money off of his replication attempt. Neither am I. If the cell does actually work for either of us, I will devote a good deal of my “free†time to help others succeed as well. It’s not all about Oscar and certainly not about me. It’s about our children. It’s about our neighbors. It’s about our planet. It’s about the future generations who will inherit what we leave behind.
Back to building,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 19, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
Hello everyone,
This is my first attempt at replicating a Joe Cell. I do not know if it is really going to work. I have never seen one in person working. In fact, I have never seen one in person, period. I have viewed the video that Oscar posted very carefully on a frame by frame basis and I have no way of knowing for sure that the fuel line cut-out valve is actually closed or not as the video’s maker claims.
It does appear authentic, though, because of the timing setting that is displayed while the engine is running in the background. This engine would not run this smoothly on gasoline with the timing this far advanced.
There is only one way to be sure if this thing really works or not. Building it will prove it to me. This is why Oscar and I are building this cell at the same time. His may work but mine might not. But at least we can give this thing a fair shot. I’m hoping both our cells will work. We will actually be buiding two cells. The cell Oscar and I are building now is called the "charging vat". The actual engine cell is very different.
I’m sure there are others building this cell with us (don’t lie, you people know who you are) and this also increases our chances at success.
The instructions I have been given are slightly different from the ones I’ve seen online. The person that donated the plans I have wishes to remain anonymous and that is fine by me. It’s important to respect the wishes of people who are going out of their way (and maybe even risking their necks) to help us.
I’m with Oscar. Let the chips fall where they may, but I’m going to see this thing through. I’m just mad as hell, and I’m just not going to take this crap anymore (I stole this quote). We’re supposed to be “free†in this country to pursue happiness and the American dream. We’re supposed to be free to contribute to our country. We’re supposed to be free to try to help our fellow citizens live a better life. We’re supposed to be free to better the world which we all share. But what is freedom if we’re forced to remain under the control of the current greedy energy providers even when cleaner and less expensive alternatives may exist? What good is freedom of religion or freedom of speech if we’re not free to become energy independent too? Last time I checked, there was supposed to be liberty and justice for all. Not just for the few filthy rich oil tycoons.
By the way, Oscar is not going to make any money off of his replication attempt. Neither am I. If the cell does actually work for either of us, I will devote a good deal of my “free†time to help others succeed as well. It’s not all about Oscar and certainly not about me. It’s about our children. It’s about our neighbors. It’s about our planet. It’s about the future generations who will inherit what we leave behind.
Back to building,
Joe
Sorry, I've been busy with all of life's little details. I could not find the materials you said I should get at the places I went to but I will be able to get them a little farther from home. Im a part time builder and full time working guy so please have patience.
I did not know this was one of two cells we were building Chessnight, but maybe you could explain this to me so I can follow the program. Thank you for giving this a go. I know you probly work to.
I want to give a special thanks to Paul for sharing his approval of this little project. I have silently watchd a bit of Paul's work and it is very fasinating. That would make him part of the solution Joe was refering to. Paul is like me. Unwilling to back down to bully's.
I finally found something I can really build and tweek the daylights out of until it really works. This is also my first Joe cell.
Money never entered my head about making this thing but only to pass the results on to people who want it or maybe in some cases need it. Gas prices around my place has ben climing back up again. I apreciate all the advice, both in the open and secretly. This things for all you guys and girls.
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
There is no crime in having a life. I’ve been attending to personal matters myself. I, just like you, am a part-time builder as well. I think most of the people here are in the same boat.
Just so you know, the only materials needed to build these cells that you should pay for in cash are just the stainless steel tubes (pipes). All the other parts you can order online or purchase how you choose.
The reason for building the “charging vat†in addition to the vehicle cell is to keep as much contamination as possible out of the vehicle cell. The vehicle cell is for pre-charged water only and is never to be used to condition or initially charge your water with. That’s the job of the charging vat.
The charging vat will be comprised of 5 plates (SS tubes) that sits in a taller vessel make of glass. The instructions adamantly state that the glass vessel can NOT be substituted with plastic (PVC, CPVC, polyurethane, acrylic, Plexiglas, etc.). Also, rubber o-rings, silicone, welding materials (other than stainless TIG or MIG) are just some of the other materials the instructions state you should never use.
The charging vat’s tubes should all be cut to 8†in length with the exception of the 5†diameter tube. Do NOT cut the tubes with any kind of a tubing cutter. This will leave a slight deformation on the ends. Do NOT cut the tubes with a cutting torch, hacksaw or plasma cutter either. A plasma cutter may be used on the tubes for certain cuts but not for the overall length cuts. It’s recommended to cut the tubes with a metal chop saw that has an abrasive type of blade. Check the blade’s straightness beforehand with a piece of scrap. After cutting the scrap piece, check to see if the end is square at 0 and 90 degrees.
Before cleaning the ends, make one more cut with the chop saw. First, mark the 5†diameter tube at 8â€. Then cut the tube on your mark stopping before you are all the way through. You want to leave about a half inch remaining uncut. With a plasma cutter, you want to create (or leave) a tab on the end of the pipe. The tab should measure roughly one half inches wide and two inches long. A 10-32 x 1†stainless steel screw will be welded onto the tab one half inch from the end of the tab. Make sure to weld it on the inside wall of the tube. It’s very critical according to the author. Also check the screw for magnetism. There will be some attraction to the screw from a permanent magnet but the higher quality stainless should not have a strong attraction. The screw is where the positive terminal of the battery will connect either in between two stainless steel 10-32 nuts (in the case of a lug or stak-on connector) or alligator clip. I know it would seem like it wouldn’t make a different and you may be tempted to leave out the screw altogether and just clip the positive lead’s alligator clip to both sides of the tab but don’t. It makes a difference.
Don’t worry about magnetism in the tubes for now. I’ll explain how to deal with that later. Also, there are two different ways to complete the charging vat that I'll talk about later. That’s enough for now. Enjoy the process of getting there.
Building again,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 22, 2009, 11:18:18 PM
Just so you know, the only materials needed to build these cells that you should pay for in cash are just the stainless steel tubes (pipes). All the other parts you can order online or purchase how you choose.
The reason for building the “charging vat†in addition to the vehicle cell is to keep as much contamination as possible out of the vehicle cell. The vehicle cell is for pre-charged water only and is never to be used to condition or initially charge your water with. That’s the job of the charging vat.
I get it now. The charging vat is for preping the water that goes into the car cell. I have got the pipes now and Im following the directioons. I don't have a mig so I might have to have it done for me at a welding shop.
Oscar
Quote from: chessnyt on January 22, 2009, 11:18:18 PM
Before cleaning the ends, make one more cut with the chop saw.
What should I clean the ends with? You mean soaps or you mean grinding?
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
Cleaning the ends is defined as removing the burrs that will be present after making your length cuts. It is recommended that you use a high RPM dremel with a sanding bit attached to deburr the ends. I used an air powered tool with a rubber tipped bit with quick change type sanding pads. The dremel would probably work best but I have the air type tool so I used what I had.
As far as cleaning the cylinders/pipes; initially before putting the pipes inside of each other, clean the inside and outside with a mixture of white vinegar and clean cell water or rain water. Obviously, you will not have any clean cell water until you process a batch in the charging vat so if you don’t have any rain water, you have to disassemble your charging vat after you have processed a batch of tap water. Polishing is not mentioned in the instructions so I’m assuming it’s not required.
There is also an electrical way to remove “scum†that will eventually build up on your stainless tube walls. This will be explained in detail after the charging vat is complete and in operation.
Let me know when you are ready to proceed with option one (as there are two options given) on how to complete the charging vat construction.
Moving forward,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 25, 2009, 10:50:14 PM
Let me know when you are ready to proceed with option one (as there are two options given) on how to complete the charging vat construction.
Moving forward,
Joe
Ok. I'm ready for more instructions. I did happen to have some rain water laying around BTW :P I cleaned the pipes and its a go ;D No threats to me but I read today where teh original inventers place was broken into and they stole all his equipment and he no longer wants anything to do with the cell anymore. And thought this kinda stuff just happened here in the US. Guess if you got bucks, you can reach 'em anywhere. I bet the energy sellers love the news.
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
Here’s the next list of parts to get:
Qty.
1 1/2†x 4†long stainless steel hex head bolt.
4 1/2†stainless steel nuts.
2 1/2†stainless steel flat washers.
1 teflon washer with same dimensions as flat washers (or slightly larger) except 1/8†thick.
1 3/4†strain relief cord connector (straight), Thomas & Betts catalog number 2532.
1 2â€L x 2â€W x 1/8†Thick piece of stainless steel plate.
The stainless steel bolt must be threaded from the end to within 5/8†(or closer) to its head.
Moving along,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 19, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
This is my first attempt at replicating a Joe Cell. I do not know if it is really going to work. I have never seen one in person working. In fact, I have never seen one in person, period. I have viewed the video that Oscar posted very carefully on a frame by frame basis and I have no way of knowing for sure that the fuel line cut-out valve is actually closed or not as the video’s maker claims.
It does appear authentic, though, because of the timing setting that is displayed while the engine is running in the background. This engine would not run this smoothly on gasoline with the timing this far advanced.
Chessnyt,
I have a problem with your logic about the timing setting. First of all, when you advance the timing of an internal combustion engine, the spark plug will fire early. If the spark plug firse too early, the piston will be thrusted down before reaching the power stroke. This would stop the engine as it would be forced to run backwards and this wouldn’t work because of the valve timing off the cam shaft. The engine in the video is wayyyyyyy advanced so the readout must have been faked.
W.O.
Hello World Order,
If we were talking about burning gasoline or hydrogen, then you would be 100 percent correct, as both of these fuels expand (explode) when they are ignited. But we are NOT talking about burning gasoline or hydrogen. We are talking about orgone, which when ignited, implodes. This causes a vacuum or suction effect. This means that the piston is being drawn towards the combustion chamber during the compression stroke and NOT pushed away from it as is the case when burning fuels that expand (explode).
So the burning of orgone will only work in an engine being ignited in the compression stroke and not in the power stroke (like gasoline or hydrogen). When the engine is primed (acclimated) with orgone, the engine will start to idle or run rough as the orgone is having an adverse effect on the function of the engine. This is because the orgone is now entering the engine and being burned in the power stroke which counters the combustion of the gasoline vapor. This is when the gas line is supposed to be plugged, the carburetor bowl is to be drained and the timing is to be advanced (also, the fuel pump is to be disabled as well).
To rule out the possibility of hydrogen running the engine, just check the emissions (exhaust) for water or moisture content. Orgone, when ignited, has no water byproduct (or carbon byproduct as does gasoline).
JFYI,
Joe
Quote from: chessnyt on January 28, 2009, 07:26:20 PM
Hello Oscar,
Here’s the next list of parts to get:
Qty.
1 1/2†x 4†long stainless steel hex head bolt.
4 1/2†stainless steel nuts.
2 1/2†stainless steel flat washers.
1 teflon washer with same dimensions as flat washers (or slightly larger) except 1/8†thick.
1 3/4†strain relief cord connector (straight), Thomas & Betts catalog number 2532.
1 2â€L x 2â€W x 1/8†Thick piece of stainless steel plate.
The stainless steel bolt must be threaded from the end to within 5/8†(or closer) to its head.
Moving along,
Joe
Chessnyt, I can't find this bolt with threads all the way to within 5/8". Any suggestions on where to get it?
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
You may have to search for a company that sells only hardware (not Home Depot or Lowes). If you can't find the bolt there, you may be able to take a bolt that is the correct length and continue the threads with a die.
Let me know if the suggestions I have given do not work and I will mail you the correct bolt.
Regards,
Chess Knight.
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Quote from: chessnyt on January 31, 2009, 12:04:33 PM
Hello Oscar,
You may have to search for a company that sells only hardware (not Home Depot or Lowes). If you can't find the bolt there, you may be able to take a bolt that is the correct length and continue the threads with a die.
Let me know if the suggestions I have given do not work and I will mail you the correct bolt.
Regards,
Chess Knight.
Got the bolt chess knight. Ready to roll...
Hello Oscar,
Here's the next step:
Take the 4†bolt and find the center of the head. With a drill press, drill a 1/4" hole down the center of the bolt to a depth of 3/4". Then measure from the head of the bolt down 1/2" and make a mark. Drill a 1/4" hole through the side of the bolt. Now round off the hex shape of the head of the bolt by machining or grinding it.
Now take the 1†pipe and stand it up roughly in the middle of the 1/8†SS plate. Make a mark around the pipe using it as a stencil. Now remove the 1â€pipe from the plate and find the center of the circle you have just drawn. Drill a 1/4" hole in the center of the circle.
Using a plasma cutter, cut out the circle drawn on the 1/8†SS plate. Then clean up the edges and make sure that it sits flush at the end of the 1†pipe. The circular plate you have just made is NOT to be pressed fit inside the pipe. It is to rest flush with the outside edge of the pipe. Now TIG weld the circular 1/8†SS plate to the end of the pipe. Clean up the weld and grind off all sharp edges.
Regards,
Joe
Dear Cheesy
Are you the invertor of the Joe Cell?
I have made the cell, but I don't know charging the water.
could you help me?
I am writeing this mail from EU, I am learning the englis languange just now!
I hope, you will understand this text.
Thanks.
Hello
Here are the pictures about my cell.
http://www.gepkarb.eoldal.hu/
Hello Tompikatom,
I am not the inventor of the Joe Cell. The inventor’s name is Joe Booker (who will have nothing to do with building Joe Cells or giving advice anymore) who was silenced by the threats of people who stand to lose a great deal of revenue should water (or any other clean and inexpensive form of energy) become a replacement fuel source to petroleum based fuels.
I decided at the beginning of the project to proceed with the posting of instructions in the order that the instructions are written. The reason for this is to avoid confusion for others building the cell and also to avoid repeating the same instructions more than once.
Your English is fine and I do not have any problem understanding you. I visited the link that you gave but was unable to view the pictures of your cell.
Lastly, I would just like to ask Oscar if he is ready for the next instruction. Are you out there, Oscar?
Regards,
Chess Knight
Quote from: chessnyt on February 07, 2009, 02:43:10 AM
Hello Tompikatom,
I am not the inventor of the Joe Cell. The inventor’s name is Joe Booker (who will have nothing to do with building Joe Cells or giving advice anymore) who was silenced by the threats of people who stand to lose a great deal of revenue should water (or any other clean and inexpensive form of energy) become a replacement fuel source to petroleum based fuels.
I decided at the beginning of the project to proceed with the posting of instructions in the order that the instructions are written. The reason for this is to avoid confusion for others building the cell and also to avoid repeating the same instructions more than once.
Your English is fine and I do not have any problem understanding you. I visited the link that you gave but was unable to view the pictures of your cell.
Lastly, I would just like to ask Oscar if he is ready for the next instruction. Are you out there, Oscar?
Regards,
Chess Knight
Chessnyt,
I am ready for the next instruction. I don't know why you couldn't see the pictures on that guys site with the cell. There is 3 pics there and you should be able to see them. Maybe your computer is being blocked or something but I saw them right away. It took me a while to get the welding done because I don't have a tig welder so I had them welded for me profesionally.
Oscar
Chessnyt,
Thank you the answer.I should be to listen.
Tom.
Hello Oscar,
The following is the next step:
Cut a piece of 1/4 â€" 20 non-stainless all-thread to a length of 8 3/8â€. On a welding table, stand your 1†pipe up with the open end of the pipe facing the table surface and the end with the plate welded to it facing up. Now drop the all-thread through the 1/4" hole in the circular welded plate. Now place the 4†bolt from earlier on the all-thread. The all-thread is just helping you align the bolt’s hole with the circular plate’s hole until you tack weld two adjacent sides of the bolt to the circular plate.
Once the bolt is tack welded, remove the all-thread, unscrewing it if it is bound in the hole. If it is bound, just screw two 1/4 â€" 20 hex nuts onto the end of the all-thread and lock them against each other. Then unscrew them from the hole counter clockwise.
Now make two more tack welds. You should end up with tack welds at 12:00, 6:00, 3:00 and 9:00. Or 0 degrees, 180 degrees, 90 degrees and 270 degrees. Now completely weld the bolt head to the circular plate welding a bead all the way around the rounded bolt head.
Now take your glass vessel and make a 7/8†hole in the center of the bottom of it. (This is easier said than done, as I found out the hard way. DO NOT USE A DRILL BIT TO MAKE THIS HOLE!!!) I have no way of making this hole so I will be outsourcing this part.
Have fun with this part Oscar,
Chess Knight
Quote from: chessnyt on February 10, 2009, 12:55:30 AM
Hello Oscar,
The following is the next step:
Cut a piece of 1/4 â€" 20 non-stainless all-thread to a length of 8 3/8â€. On a welding table, stand your 1†pipe up with the open end of the pipe facing the table surface and the end with the plate welded to it facing up. Now drop the all-thread through the 1/4" hole in the circular welded plate. Now place the 4†bolt from earlier on the all-thread. The all-thread is just helping you align the bolt’s hole with the circular plate’s hole until you tack weld two adjacent sides of the bolt to the circular plate.
Once the bolt is tack welded, remove the all-thread, unscrewing it if it is bound in the hole. If it is bound, just screw two 1/4 â€" 20 hex nuts onto the end of the all-thread and lock them against each other. Then unscrew them from the hole counter clockwise.
Now make two more tack welds. You should end up with tack welds at 12:00, 6:00, 3:00 and 9:00. Or 0 degrees, 180 degrees, 90 degrees and 270 degrees. Now completely weld the bolt head to the circular plate welding a bead all the way around the rounded bolt head.
Now take your glass vessel and make a 7/8†hole in the center of the bottom of it. (This is easier said than done, as I found out the hard way. DO NOT USE A DRILL BIT TO MAKE THIS HOLE!!!) I have no way of making this hole so I will be outsourcing this part.
Have fun with this part Oscar,
Chess Knight
Chessnyt,
This is going to take a while to complete. I have to find some way to make the hole in the glass too.
Oscar
Hey Chessnyt,
We are both going to have to sub out this part of the project and it could take a while so in meantime why don't you post something to help others until we get past this part? Just a thought.
Oscar
Hello Oscar,
I don’t want to skip over important steps and confuse those who might be building along side of us so I am going to post a bunch of general tips to those who might already have a built cell that doesn’t work.
GENERAL JOE CELL TIPS:
1. Your charging vat cell can have 5 or 4 plates but your vehicle cell must only have 4 plates. 5â€, 4â€, 3†and 2†316L stainless steel pipes. Seamless is recommended but welded ones are ok as long as magnetism is removed.
2. In the vehicle cell, only insulators made of virgin Teflon are acceptable as insulators that will be submerged in water. This material is not only an excellent electrical insulator but it can also withstand temperatures up to 500 degrees F without melting. It will not contaminate your water like most plastics. Ebonite rod is NOT a suitable substitute. Nylon is not a suitable insulator either (most kitchen cutting boards are made of this stuff). McMaster Carr sells this type of Teflon, just in case you can not find it elsewhere.
3. On both cells (charging vat and vehicle cell) you need a plate welded to the bottom of the center pipe and the outer pipe. If you have a kit where your outside pipe is formed at the bottom without a plate welded on, you can use this pipe. If you have a kit where your negative inner pipe has a press fit bolt or platform, you CAN NOT use this pipe unless you can remove the press fit bolt or platform and MIG or TIG weld a solid 1/8†round plate to the bottom.
4. If the water in your charging vat’s center pipe can not circulate (and you will notice when you apply electricity to the cell) it will NOT work and it will NOT properly charge your water.
5. If the water in your vehicle cell’s center pipe can not circulate (and you will notice when you apply electricity to the cell) it will NOT work and it will NOT properly charge your water. You must have at least 3 holes in the bottom plate of 1/4" in diameter to allow proper water circulation in your vehicle cell. The plate welded to the bottom of this center pipe MUST be equal in size to the OUTSIDE DIAMETER of the pipe. NOT the inside diameter.
6. Do NOT use the cones that are seen on the net affixed to the top of the vehicle cells. Use a flanged flat lid with a rubber gasket for the top lid to your vehicle cell. The rubber gasket material is said to be ok to use because it is NOT submerged in the water and it is NOT insulating the cell electrically because bolts pass through the flange and conduct electricity. It is only being used as a seal.
7. The vehicle cell’s mounting bracket in the engine compartment must use wood insulators at least 3/4" in thickness. The bracket can be metal but there must be 3/4" of wood insulation in between the bracket and the outside cell container (which is positive).
8. Use only rain water or mountain stream water in your cell(s). Tap water has fluoride and chlorine added to the water which will mess up your cell. Bottled water may contain many minerals which have been added for taste, which will also mess up your cell.
This information may help those who have NON-working cells to convert them into working cells.
Regards,
Chess Knight
Hi Chessnyt,
Nice tips and it clears a lot of things up that I wondered about. There is one thing that I don’t get that you talk about in tip #3. You mention that both cells need a plate welded onto the bottom of the center and outer pipe. I didn’t notice the instruction for doing this earlier.
Quote from: chessnyt on February 14, 2009, 06:43:54 PM
3. On both cells (charging vat and vehicle cell) you need a plate welded to the bottom of the center pipe and the outer pipe. If you have a kit where your outside pipe is formed at the bottom without a plate welded on, you can use this pipe. If you have a kit where your negative inner pipe has a press fit bolt or platform, you CAN NOT use this pipe unless you can remove the press fit bolt or platform and MIG or TIG weld a solid 1/8†round plate to the bottom.
I am very glad to see you giving these tips because some people may have cells that don’t work and without buying another high priced manual or starting over they can try the stuff you are giving away for free. If their cells don’t already work they can't break a broken cell. If thery can't run their cars they can find out what they might be doing wrong.
I was also wondering if you have chosen an engine. Do you have one yet or will you wait til we finish the cell building first?
Oscar.
Hello Oscar,
I mistakenly typed the wrong thing on tip number 3. It should be “On both cells (charging vat and vehicle cell) you need a plate welded to the bottom of the center pipe and the outer pipe of the vehicle cell. The charging vat does not have a plate welded onto its 5†pipe bottom.â€
I just screwed up. Thank you very much for the correction. In fact, if anybody can’t understand something or it appears to contradict other instructions, please let me know and I’ll fix it or clarify it.
There will be some instructions that on their own merit will not make sense. For example, the negative connection on the cell. Anyone who is familiar with automotive electrical knows that the negative lead of a vehicle’s battery is connected to the chassis creating a chassis ground. Thus, any DC negative wire that is connected to the chassis is in effect connected to the battery’s negative terminal, but these instructions specifically forbid using the chassis for the grounding of the cell.
Another example is the surface both the negative and positive wires are to connect to. My own logic would lean towards connecting the negative wire to the bottom of the center (most inner pipe) inside pipe surface and the positive wire to the top outer surface of the outer pipe (the case) but a Joe Cell configured this way would never function correctly.
There are many other instructions that appear to be illogical in nature which may explain why so few people have had success building this cell. It’s difficult to determine how many people have deviated from good Joe Cell plans because their own judgment led them astray and how many people have simply been intentionally misled by outside interests to prevent them from succeeding. In either case, there have been very few successes and even fewer documented working Joe Cells. Hopefully, with these plans, we will be changing this.
As far as the engine goes, I am going to select a carbureted vehicle engine and run it from an engine stand.
I’ll leave you with eight more Joe Cell tips for now.
GENERAL JOE CELL TIPS (CONT.):
9. Use only glass containers to collect and store your water in. Also, do not store your water in direct sunlight.
10. The 1/2†SS bolt in your vehicle cell must be step insulated with virgin Teflon from the hole in the bottom of the cell to the bottom of the circular SS round plate welded to the bottom of the 2†pipe. This step insulator can not block the three 1/4" circulation holes.
11. In both the charging vat and the vehicle cell, never ignite the bubbles coming out of the water. This is mentioned not for the danger factor but for the contamination factor.
12. Do NOT touch your charge water with your fingers.
13. ALWAYS connect the negative wire FIRST with both the charging vat and the vehicle cell.
14. ALWAYS remove the negative wire LAST with both the charging vat and the vehicle cell.
15. The negative wire (#10 black fine stranded copper wire) connects directly to the negative post of the car battery and goes to the 1/2" bolt sticking out of the bottom of the cell. Do NOT just chassis ground the cell. Run the cell’s negative wire to the battery’s negative post only.
16. The positive wire (#10 red fine stranded copper wire) has an inline 5AMP fuse and attaches to the cell in the middle of the cell flange under the rubber gasket. A flange bolt holds the positive wire in place which has a terminal ring Stak-on connector crimped onto its end. Later, this wire will be cut 2†away from the cell and the cut end going back to the battery will have an alligator clip connected to its end. The 2†piece going to the cell will be stripped back 1/4" and the alligator clip will be attached to it for short periods of time and disconnected in order to “flash†key locations.
Don’t rush building this cell. It’s quality we are after and not quantity. You wouldn’t buy a brand new car engine and then connect it to a wooden transmission, would you? Take your time. You get to be your own boss here. Nobody is pushing you. It’s not getting things done quickly that count. It’s getting them done right.
Regards,
Chess Knight