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Don't underestimate the "FORCE",  the magnetic field when "cornered" will "bite" and "snap" with violent fury !!!      



>>>While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret.  In general, he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core.  The core likewise has a single winding.  A coil thus constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse.  This is done by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an ordinary[two words unreadable R.L.R.] -ing circuit, he says.<<<  

quote from here:    http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm)

The following figure shows the typical model of a transmission line, with the inductance and capacitance per unit of length (lossless so no resistance included)

Then we see a coupled transformer line, which is what the Hubbard coil could be utilizing (I don't believe the radium story, it's a cover up I think)

But the real intriguing phenomena is to realize what happens when the magnetic field is "cornered" or "trapped".   In other words,  consider an inductor that has current flowing through it.   If that current is suddenly interrupted (and really it can't)  the voltage spikes really high. 

The underlying phenomena here is really deeper.    A current through a coil sets up a magnetic field, and if the current is interrupted, the magnetic field will collapse.  However, as it collapses, it induces a voltage (electromotive force) in the wires IN SUCH A DIRECTION TO KEEP THE CURRENT FLOWING SO THE FIELD GETS MAINTAINED.  It's a type of "inertia".  In other words, this is Lenz's law that says the behavior is such as to resist the change.

But now consider an inductor, with current flowing in it, suddenly connected to another inductor (and disconnected from it's powering source or battery).   Do you realize that now we are bringing two forces against each other?  One inductor wants to have current flow at some value, and the other inductor wants to stay at zero current.     It's like the scenario of INFINITE FORCE TRYING TO MOVE THE IMMOVABLE ROCK. 

So what gives?    This is where it gets interesting, very interesting.....  we can also spice up the problem and say, let the coils not even have the same number of turns, or not even be close to each other so they are not coupled magnetically, and then later consider different levels of coupling of the coils, etc....

I'll tell you what happens,  there is inter winding capacitance, so when the coils are switched together in a closed loop (assuming no magnetic coupling)  the coil that had a current and magnetic field will have it's magnetic field collapse rapidly depending on the design of the coil and the separation distance of the turns.  Why?  Because there is capacitance between the windings (usually small).  The Voltage at the terminals will skyrocket  according to the well knows formula   V = L di/dt, where di/dt is the rate of change of the current, and L is the inductance.  (we don't to complicate things, but the other differential equation for a capacitor will actually give us a partial diff. eq. that we can solve, but we'll end up with the self oscillatory frequency of a coil, etc..)   

However,  at the same time,  the other coils with a zero current through it will see this spike in voltage at its terminals which will start to drive the current through it at a rate equal to  di/dt = V/L   (just rearranged the same equation) , 

so these two coils will perform an exchange of magnetic energy with quite a snap, and huge voltage surges, which indicates that the coils need to be designed well and single turn preferably.

The other case when the coils are close together and magnetically coupled gets more interesting and has a few permutations, as in, how do you hook up the coils, to have the fluxes aiding each other or bucking?   more to come.....


EM

P.S. Another way to visualize the Hubbard drum, is to visualize springs inside and compressing one spring and letting go will cause ripples that persist for a while.  The way the coil is configured, the power is extracted only on the outside coil by a type of dragging effect, that's why it's claimed to be a pulsing DC type of current (or voltage).  Other modes of resonance are certainly possible, and it should be noticed his device has an iron drum comming between the inside coils and the outer winding, so you can see why that is, it's to close the magnetic flux path from each inner coil through a sector of this outer iron pipe.   A motorized version of the Hubbard coil can also be created.  Place a long axial magnet on the inside of the drum and rotate it.  On the outside of the drum wrap the coils and you will see a voltage.   Even though there is no apparent flux cutting occurring in this scenario,  the A-potential (or the magnetic vector potential) is the answer.  V=u dA/dt, and the A potential certainly changes with the motion of the magnet.  This type of induction is more of a dragging sort of a concept.  Charges are pushed ahead of the A field disturbance.

Looks very much like Leedskalnin's PMH. Also needs just an tiny bit of initial energizing. What happens if you take 3-4 plain PMH devices and put them in such an arrangement that blocks current flow within each? I myself pretty sure an aetheric vortex will be created around these devices - it's about the only way to allow for current to continue flowing. It's a "least difficult route" of a kind.

@EMD,
I am glad you mentioned the nix on the radioactive material. I thought the radioaction would be a possibilty to start the tuning forks ringing. Now I think differently. No more flirting with disaster.

Also,
Take a 3 or 4 segment, 3 layer TPU and connect the layers with caps like the LMD. It works up instead of horizontally. Current on 1st layer, diamagnetism on 3rd layer. And the added feature is the ring configuration.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: giantkiller on July 02, 2008, 10:24:25 AM
@EMD,
I am glad you mentioned the nix on the radioactive material. I thought the radioaction would be a possibilty to start the tuning forks ringing. Now I think differently. No more flirting with disaster.

Also,
Take a 3 or 4 segment, 3 layer TPU and connect the layers with caps like the LMD. It works up instead of horizontally. Current on 1st layer, diamagnetism on 3rd layer. And the added feature is the ring configuration.

--giantkiller.

Also, you have a ring. That is what Stan Deyo shows in his design.

I found a clear picture of Alfred M Hubbard in this digital archive. (circa 1924)

http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/imlsmohai&CISOPTR=2704&CISOBOX=1&REC=1 (http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/imlsmohai&CISOPTR=2704&CISOBOX=1&REC=1)

http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device02.htm

This clears up alot. The tuning fork analogy holds true.
http://www.altenergy-pro.com/rec.htm

--giantkiller.

Howdy EMDevices,

What is a Cook Coil?  I did a web search and did find a Jeff Cook Coil on American Antigravity.  While it is just a single winding with a number of permanent magnets around it.  Your drawing depicts transformers with dissimilar wire sizes.   I wound a monster of a Hubbard coil for my Soft Particle Reactor.  Here is a link to a high resolution picture.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item52

And a link to the Soft Particle Reactor thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4255.0.html

You have combined the TPU operational philosophy into the Hubbard Coil design to where the coils are being pulsed in a pattern.  This is how you plan to get that pinch effect where the electromagnetic fields are bucking each other and drawing zero point energy from subspace.  In my Soft Particle Reactor the primary inductors are wired in parallel, and I am pulsing them all at the same interval.  I have had the TPU theory cooking in the back of my skull for a while now.  That theory makes a lot of sense.  Maybe it is time that I try to incorporate the TPU theory into the Soft Particle Reactor.  This way there is the electromagnetic effect drawing energy from subspace and the soft particle decay drawing energy from physical space.

Thanks for those fresh ideas EMDevices...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Nice coil, and the high definition photo is awesome, I like an organized build with attention to detail and it looks like you put in a lot of attention into it, good job !!! 

By Cook coils I mean the ones in the patent by Daniel McFarland Cook,  see this topic here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2630.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2630.0.html)

EM

Let's see

- the Hubbard coil uses bifilar wound coils

- Cook coils are bifilar

- Stubblefeld Earth battery uses bifilar coils

- SM TPU uses bifilar wound coils with delay

- Thrapp has multi-filar delay-line motor

- Energia Celeste uses bifilar wound coils with delay
one implementation uses 8 such in a circle

I see lots of relationships.

Earl

EM

QuoteA motorized version of the Hubbard coil can also be created.  Place a long axial magnet on the inside of the drum and rotate it.  On the outside of the drum wrap the coils and you will see a voltage.   Even though there is no apparent flux cutting occurring in this scenario,

Have you tried this and if so do you have any test data to prove it to be true? I would like to test this idea.

Most of the reports on the Hubbard describe a non-magnetic bobbin or spool for the outer winding. Where is the reference to a ferromagnetic spool?

Earl

Interesting patent drawings, could you supply the patent numbers?

Thanks......V

I guess, if Hubbard coil thing can be made to work, the least you should worry about is where it gets energy. My guess is that while "war of coils" takes place in this device, turmoil it causes induces overunity potential on the main outer coil. I wonder if cores should be interconnected - must be interconnected in some way if we take PMH into consideration. Otherwise no "perpetual motion" will be "held" in these coils. Permanent magnet is required as well... Probably half of all cores are permanent magnet bars while another half are plain iron cores. Iron cores are connected with permanent magnets. I have no idea what center coil is for, though.

Also, where's the source of info there are bifilar coils installed? Original picture shows 8 bars seemingly assembled into 2 groups, with 9th central bar without any apparent connections. I'm just persuading PMH idea. Can it be that 4 bars have permanent magnet cores and windings of these bars are interconnected; the same applies to other 4 bars, but they have iron cores.

Here's an illustration for the idea... (hope it's obvious).

Seems like central core and winding is used as a higher potential. External core and winding is used as a lower potential. Quite simple actually if we consider a vortex is created inside this structure.

Well, as you've noticed I'm easy on theories. ;) so, you too, take it easy ;)

(of course, other ends of internal and external windings should be connected.

One group of coils should be short-circuited - like in PMH.

In the end you have 4 terminals - exactly how original Hubbard device is pictured. 2 terminals for injecting a small initial energy input. 2 terminals are for collecting free energy out of aether. ;)

One more idea... Windings on all iron-magnet core pairs should be wound in equal direction (CW or CCW), from top to bottom (or bottom to top). This is to ensure "magnetic current" that is held in the device goes in the same direction in all cores/windings. This will probably create "struggle" I was mentioning (current in adjacent cores will be obviously going in opposite directions).

It is also possible to use all iron cores, but interconnect them with permanent magnet bridges, as shown.

I do not know it this is relevant, but here is some WIPO patent that also refers to Hubbard coil:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007103020&IA=WO2007103020&DISPLAY=DESC

Hah, there's more:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7379286.html

***
an idea.. just to write it down:
Free energy (overunity) can be solely described and achieved by inducing space non-linearity - the same as created by gravity. Since gravity creates a field of length standard deviation, any energy that enters into this field undergoes "length standard shift" which shifts EM energy spectrum and also increases kinetic energy of a body. If gravity field can be created at will, without reaction from energies and bodies that are present in the gravity field, the said energies and bodies can be accelerated and decelerated at will. Thus, no quantum mechanics ZPE is required to define source of overunity.

Great find Aleks

The first patent should be downloaded with drawings, a must read for everyone and answers many questions about the possible operational theory of SM's units.. I was amazed to see Fig 3, page 4/12 resembling SM's and Fig 6 page7/12 resembling Hubbard. The inductive central coil in fig 3 would definitely run hot.

......V

Quote from: aleks on July 05, 2008, 08:53:27 AM
One more idea... Windings on all iron-magnet core pairs should be wound in equal direction (CW or CCW), from top to bottom (or bottom to top). This is to ensure "magnetic current" that is held in the device goes in the same direction in all cores/windings. This will probably create "struggle" I was mentioning (current in adjacent cores will be obviously going in opposite directions).

It is also possible to use all iron cores, but interconnect them with permanent magnet bridges, as shown.

Yes sir! Just slip 22awg rat shack coils over the the iron wire bundles and you got Ed.L. for starters. Sure beats winding, eh? Throw in a air gap or 2. Bettery yet make a iron wire ring with an air gap and magnet. Damn simple.

Very sound direction here. Can use flux flow or current flow.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: aleks on July 05, 2008, 08:59:30 AM
I do not know it this is relevant, but here is some WIPO patent that also refers to Hubbard coil:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007103020&IA=WO2007103020&DISPLAY=DESC

Hah, there's more:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7379286.html
....

Hi All,

I am surprised to read in the above first patent that Hubbard (and later Hendershot too) used radium to enhance current in the wires...  Well then does this mean we are chasing an impossible task, for without radium we will never have extra output from the Hubbard coil setup???

rgds,  Gyula

Hi Gyala

QuoteI am surprised to read in the above first patent that Hubbard (and later Hendershot too) used radium to enhance current in the wires...  Well then does this mean we are chasing an impossible task, for without radium we will never have extra output from the Hubbard coil setup???

The author seems to imply in the patent that a photoconductive layer of cupric oxide can act somewhat as a superconductor by allowing low mass electrons from photon bombardment to achieve higher than normal velocities in an oscillating circuit.  There is an energy gain since in standard transformer action normal mass electrons never seem to exceed velocities greater than the photons inducing energy. If their wire was from overhead utility electrical salvage it may have had a nice coating of cupric oxide. Maybe there is still hope.

from the patent:

QuoteThe output coil is situated to receive the magnified inductive-photon energy from the energy-magnifying coil. The inductive-photon energy received by the output coil, which is comprised of a metallic conductor, is converted into an oscillating electrical current of normal electrons. In order for the electrical output to exceed the electrical input, the output coil is situated in such a manner that it receives more of the magnified inductive-photon energy than that which is directed back against the sending coil to act as a back-force. This "energy leverage" causes the electrical energy output to exceed the input.

This recent patent is a wild ride, replete with references and quite a good read, all 91 pages. If most everything the author says is factual, a lot of missing links are found. Should be easy to replicate without radioactive materials, that was just one other way to do it.

......V

see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2255.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2255.0.html)

I'm stalled with this project, but still very very interested. New enthusiasts are welcome!

tak

Cupric Oxide?

Kinda like the conductor in lamp cord used to be? The way almost all copper wire was made up until the 50/60s. The way copper surely was on the original Cook coils? That is annealed and not drawn again so they maintained flexibility. Current wire is annealed with the new process that does not include oxygen so the copper will not turn black. The old conductors would turn black easily.

If you want to try annealed copper heat it to a dull cherry red and let cool on its own. Don't quench it. If you heat it right and long enough the black stuff will appear.
It flakes off easily. No matter, the good stuff is under it. It is known in the PC board biz as 'Red Plague'. Also known as the first photocell. It is sensitive to more than light.

Any SM words about TPUs working better with rust or oxides formed or working better over time or better after it got hot the first time?

I'll see if these words mean anything. I had just finished annealing copper band for my next experiment when that great reading patent link was posted.

Edit>>
Add a picture since kids camera is here - garage not workbench. No flames allowed in the house!

Quote from: gyulasun on July 05, 2008, 03:22:38 PMI am surprised to read in the above first patent that Hubbard (and later Hendershot too) used radium to enhance current in the wires...  Well then does this mean we are chasing an impossible task, for without radium we will never have extra output from the Hubbard coil setup???

Please read more thoroughly that same patent:
"Radioactive-decay energy can be eliminated as the main power source because about 10^8 times more radium than the entire world's supply would have been needed to equal Hubbard's reported electric energy output of 330 amperes and 124 volts."

So, it's plainly laid out that radioactivity is not a source of energy.

In my opinion this Hubbard coil - if it can be made to work - is one of the simplest OU devices I've seen so far. Information about it is scarce, but it seems that beside these 9+1 coils that device only had a voltage transformer of sorts. So, if you skip "power conditioning" aspect, you are left with 9+1 coils only, without electronics of any kind. Too good to be true.

Quote from: aleks on July 04, 2008, 05:35:17 PM
Also, where's the source of info there are bifilar coils installed?

A correction to my own doubt. Patent quotes Hubbard speaking about his generator: "It is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core. The core likewise has a single winding. About the entire group of cells is a secondary winding."

And about CW and CCW windings, these are different than I'm thinking myself:
"The only connectors visible on the drawing were between the outer windings of the eight electromagnet coils. Theses connectors show that the direction of the windings alternated between clockwise and counterclockwise on adjacent coils, so that the polarity of each electromagnet would have been opposite to that of its adjacent neighbors." Then again, it's a speculation of the patent Applicant.

@all

I am curious.....

1. Take the original photo, turn it on its side.
2. Instead of 6" long iron rods, make them 6" diameter copper rings, wound in the same manner.
3. Stack these one on top of the other in order.
4. Compare the resultant against SM's coil descriptions.

Am I nuts, or do they match exactly?

Paul Andrulis

Howdy Y'all,

Thanks for the Praise on the Soft Particle Reactor EMDevices.  I have a significant amount of time in that project.  It looks like I am fixing to build another coil also.

This is an excerpt from the book The Ultimate Reality by Joseph H. Cater.

"During the time of his demonstrations, Hubbard made a sketch of one of his smaller generators used for ordinary electrical appliances (see Fig. 28).  It was approximately 6 inches long and and 5 inches in diameter.  It consisted of eight coils in series, wound on iron cores which in turn surrounded a slightly larger central coil.  The central coil was wound on a hollow tube which contained many small rods.  They were, undoubtedly, comprised of soft iron.  Four terminals extended from the unit.  Two of them represented the outer coils which received the input current, the other two came from the central coil".

"It is highly significant that both wires used in the generator appeared to be of heavy gauge, like those used in telephone or power lines with the same kind of insulation.  Each core had only one layer of this wire.  This means that only a moderate number of turns were used in the entire generator."

There seems to be two different stories about the Hubbard Coil.  One is the pre-intervention version which is an electromagnetic device which is a self sustaining electric generator.  The other is post-intervention version where Hubbard claimed to have used radium to power the generator.  He did work for the Radium Chemical Company and obviously tried at one point to incorporate radium into the device.  The original reports of the boat on Portage Bay in 1919 have no mention of radium.  This leads me to believe that the original device was purely electromagnetic.  I read somewhere that Hubbard claimed to have had an Angelic vision which instructed him to build the device.  I believe that this divine inspiration of the "Self Sustaining Electric Generator" is what we are looking for.  After Hubbard had constructed the device and tried to either sell it or obtain funding for his research is when things went awry.  Whether it was the money, women, or partying Hubbard seemed to loose interest in his coil.  It could also have been pressure by some force that does not appear in the documentation, because this force "edited" the documents to protect the guilty.  Considering the nature of the documents (Seattle Post articles) this editing was done in real time, meaning this force was always close to Hubbard.  So what we need here and now, in order to replicate his work, is the original Angelic vision in order to clarify what Hubbard's Coil really is.

From Cater's book I understand that Hubbard did not use magnet wire.  The thin insulation on the magnet wire limits the flux that develops around the individual wires and causes the flux to rotate around the entire coil.  By using wire with a thicker insulation we get more flux around each individual wire.  This also allows more current to flow in the coil.  Traditional laws of inductance may not apply to the Hubbard Coil.  I think the type of wire, and the core construction are key to replicating this device.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Interesting parallels I've found between that WIPO patent (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007103020&IA=WO2007103020&DISPLAY=DESC)
and PMH. PMH seemingly recreates a super-conduction state. This patent also talks about superconductors used as "magnifiers" of electric current.

Another "energy from vacuum" patent I've mentioned above ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7379286.html ) reminds me of the recent Arata cold fusion demonstration. They also have pressurized gas that is pressed into ZrO2?Pd powder substance. Powdered substances naturally have "Casimir cavities" in them.

I'm not sure what I was thinking, or what I read, but I re-read what I posted up top, and the main coil is not on the outside, but on the inside of the eight coils.  It's still the same phenomena at work though, and nothing much changes.   Another way to think about this device is something like a SEARL generator. The eight coils around the perimeter bounce the magnetic field between themselves at high speeds and due to winding directions, ratio of turns between primary and secondary, etc..,  there is a preferential direction of ROTATION.  This induces the pulsing DC in the center coil without significanly degrading the trapped magnetic field, much like the permanent magnetic holder (PMH).    At least that's my understanding at the moment, and I'm working on duplicating it.   
EM

Howdy Y'all,

EMDevices, so you are saying that we should pulse the external coils sequentially causing a rotating magnetic field around the central coil.  The Ultimate Reality says that the external coils are wired in series.  Think about this, as you introduce a pulse to the external coils wired in series the voltage in each sequential coil is going to lag behind the one before it.  If we were sending AC through the coils the current would lead the voltage by 90 degrees.  This would cause the voltage in each coil to come up in a sequence around the device.  If it is 2 phase AC then this would happen from both ends.  Two coils on opposite side of the device would come up to full voltage, then the next two coils in sequence would come up to full voltage, then the next two and the the next two.  The AC would cause the magnetic field to rotate around the device.  I built an frequency generator which used a bridge power amplifier and it can drive 2 phase AC.  I'll attach the schematic.  Hubbard must have used some sort of tube oscillator to do this, seeing as how he didn't have semiconductors to do it.  My analog driver board has a sinewave generator that feeds the bridge amplifier.  You can vary the frequency of the sinewave by altering the values of C1, C2, R1, and R2.

I am really starting to groove with this now.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 07, 2008, 10:23:19 AMEMDevices, so you are saying that we should pulse the external coils sequentially causing a rotating magnetic field around the central coil.

I've got an impression you do not need ANY pulsing or active electronics at all here. Pulses are induced automatically, and they are probably high-freq pulses. So, all you need is "power conditoning" - AC/DC rectifier and voltage transformer. This is what Hubbard's generator had beside coil arrangement itself.

@z.monkey,    just like aleks, I don't believe Hubbard used active electronics to pulse his coils.  I believe it is all hapenning due to the physics of the coils, like I was trying to explain.  However,  pulsing the coils with active electronics in sequence would make for a nice project to test the concept.  I think you got the right idea though.  The sequence of these coils pulsing around the perimenter is what does it.


@ all,   I've been thinking over the weekend about the simple setup shown below.  Just two electromagnets.   I was thinking how they would be exchanging the magnetic field and energy back and forth (after it is properly started of course).  If a person is familiar with the governing equations of induction, etc.., one can follow the sequence of events.  

As flux decreases in one coil, the terminal voltage builds trying to keep the current flowing, but it can't flow in the other coil since it needs to build up gradually, so the voltage spikes up and some of the current that is flowing will flow into the capacitance temporarily, but at the same time the current is increasing in the second coil and at a certain point in time the currents i1, and i2, are equal and i2 starts to surpass i1, at which point the capacitor is now giving up it's energy and current flows out of it.   The process repeats.  

But notice,  the current ALWAYS FLOWS IN THE SAME DIRECTION.    Now, we can extend this to electromagnets with a PRIMARY AND SECONDARY windings and hook them up in SERIES, as I showed before.  The energy will travel down this line by this same mechanism, and if the ratio of turns between primary and secondary is not the same, I'm sure this induces a preferential direction for the flux to shift, either clockwise or contraclockwise, or perhaps other physical factors determine the direction of flux flow.

So, as I see it, the eight coils are the actuating part of the device and the center coil is the output coil that has current induced in it due to this dragging effect the magnetic field produces.   Notice there are no pole reversals in the eight coils, they all point either up (or all point down) depending on design. So it's just like a SEARL device with the little magnets all pointing the same way and revolving around the perimetery (although his output coils are different)

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on July 07, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
@ all,   I've been thinking over the weekend about the simple setup shown bellow.  Just two electromagnets.   

Looking logical, and I like your idea since it gives a reason for bifilar windings (your first post), and CW/CCW winding pairs. Well, to be sure it is working all you need is to briefly charge the coil pair and then discharge it somewhere so that output pulse is measurable. If it is able to store energy, it is likely working like PMH, and is "open system". No much theory is needed, really.

Howdy,

So you are saying the initial impulse of energy chases itself around the set of primary coils?  Like an all inductor oscillator, or one of those transformer amplifiers?  It seems like the charge would diminish over time and need to have some maintenance current, but if the thing is able to draw Zero Point Energy then It can use that to maintain the rotating charges and provide output current.  Assuming the current in the primary coils is pulsed DC, it should have an interesting output waveform.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 07, 2008, 01:22:50 PMIt seems like the charge would diminish over time and need to have some maintenance current

In PMH it does not diminish for weeks. That's the catch.

And the windings are bifilar, each resembling a looped wire that is wound on two adjacent iron cores.

yes the current can diminish over time due to the finite resistance in the wires and hysterises losses, etc..,  and it seems the Hubbard coil needed to be restarted from time to time as well from what I read.    On the other hand, I'm sure if there's any overunity involved we can take the output and feed it back to the input.   Also, here's another thought, what if tunning is involved as well?   This device perhaps has it's own resonant frequency excited by the magnetic fluctuations all around us, and since the device is based on inductors, I would think the resonant frequency is very LOW, so maybe there's the catch, it's a very low frequency magnetic resonant tank that will get "pumped" by the 4 or 5 kHz magnetic fluctuations of the earth, or whatever pumps the TPU and other devices...
EM

Quote from: z.monkey on July 07, 2008, 01:22:50 PM
Howdy,

So you are saying the initial impulse of energy chases itself around the set of primary coils?  Like an all inductor oscillator, or one of those transformer amplifiers?  It seems like the charge would diminish over time and need to have some maintenance current, but if the thing is able to draw Zero Point Energy then It can use that to maintain the rotating charges and provide output current.  Assuming the current in the primary coils is pulsed DC, it should have an interesting output waveform.

Blessed Be Brothers...

And on they Deyo coil we can not see all the connections, but they look in series like your diagram. And all 3 rings.

--giantkiller.

Howdy Y'all,

The Schumann mechanical resonant frequency of Earth is, or was, 7.8 Hertz.  It is increasing.  I haven't measured it myself but I have read a lot about the natural "biorhythms" of the Earth.  There is quite a lot of natural radio signals generated by the Earth moving through space.  Most of these are in the ELF and VLF bands, really long waves.  The sun, however, is generating higher frequency radio waves and i would not be surprised if it is responsible for "pumping" the TPU and the Hubbard Coils.  The Earth itself is a receiver and the local transmitter is the sun.  It seems like the geometry of the coils would have something to do with the resonant frequency of the Hubbard Coil.  The larger the coils get the lower the frequency, just like mechanical resonance.  So theoretically we could build a Hubbard Coil to be a specific size so that it resonates with some naturally occurring frequency which would boost the output power.

I am firmly convinced that "free" energy exists by design.  It was provided as part of the universe by our benevolent creator.  This is something that has been very carefully hidden from us by our former malefactors.  They did everything in their power to stamp out "free" energy, and used oil as a substitute in order to make themselves rich.  Now Pandora's Box is open and we all know about "free" energy.  Today is a sad day for our former malefactors, they have lost their stranglehold on humanity.  May they die well!

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 07, 2008, 03:58:08 PMit is responsible for "pumping" the TPU and the Hubbard Coils.

Things can actually be different with these devices. "Quantum vacuum" patent link to which I've posted above hypothesizes that what is known as the "relic radiation" (microwave radiation) is actually a constant free energy production happening throughout the Universe by interstellar hydrogen atoms. It's not a residue from the "big bang" as established science suggests. It's actually more logical than the "big bang" reasoning which was probably invented only to support "energy conservation" (and there are some contradictions to "big bang" theory exist as far as I've read).

Howdy Y'all,

Here's a new schematic to play with.  I feel like the construction of the cores is essential to the proper operation of this device.  The primary cores in my current Hubbard Coil are built with 1/2" by 8.25" iron plumbing tubes with 1/2" by 10" steel hex machine screws inside them to hold the ends on the mounting plates.  I had to bore out the tubes to get a nice fit with the machine screws.  I feel like this configuration is not adequate to achieve a sufficient magnetization.  The cores should be built from a cluster of laminated soft iron wires with the windings as close to the wires as possible.  The current Hubbard Coil also is configured with the secondary output coil on the outside of the device.  It is a 4" diameter by 8.25" long black iron plumbing pipe.  This configuration has seven primary coils symmetrically aligned inside the primary coil.  Admittedly this was my interpretation of the Hubbard Coil.  I wanted to achieve the same functionality as Hubbard but built with "off the shelf" materials.  This explains the less than satisfactory performance, but that is also the fault of my operational philosophy and the drive electronics.  Based on the new theories presented in this thread my Hubbard Coil and the drive circuits must be completely redesigned.  The design can be simplified drastically compared to trying drive the coil with a radiant capacitor discharge actuated by a relay.  After more study, the original Hubbard Coil was simpler, and that means more rugged, reliable, and cheaper.  These qualities are all desirable.  Eventually we may have to rely on these generators.

Blessed Be Brothers...

The hyperlink below contains an analysis of the Hubbard coil dimensions, wire sizes, windings, and derivation of the probable operational frequencies.  This might be of some help.

http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm

-duane

It always makes me wonder when someone does a complicated mathmatical breakdown of a project showing theory and dimensions....and never actually BUILDING the thing!

Why?  Surely if you'd done all the theory you'd want to know if it actually worked or not?  Seeing as G D Much produced this analysis 8 years ago and no news of a working Hubbard Coil has surfaced you'd have to hesitate to follow his directions...?

Howdy,

@MDMiller thanks for the info.

@BennyBoy, well, you know some people are designers other people are fabricators.

I have always been a "lets build it now, and we'll do the documentation after its working" kind of dude.  At the moment I am trying to decide if I want to deconstruct the current coil, or if I want to start from scratch.  I am leaning to putting my current prototype in storage and starting anew.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Well check it out!

We have documentation out the wazoo from 100 yrs ago. We got demos written about. We got flakes. We got prestidigitator tots! And we got all that in this last 3 decades also.

But we have only 4 real thingys going on in front of our eyes and that is the Bedini motor, the Muller motor, the Steven Mark coils and Tesla coils. These things work, are documented, open source and free for the taking.

Why do I say this? I don't know! There is definately something strange comin' outa the wood pile, eh?

Has anybody found the 2003 GM video of the vehicle that is a platform with a replacable body shell and a laterally changable steering console? It was white, the rear view mirror was a video monitor, you could look down between your feet and see the road, Why? No pedals. The platform was the power drive. I saw no gas or battery array.
You want to see something that will really piss you off? Then find that!

But press on.

--giantkiller.

Howdy Y'all,

So what are you saying here GiantKiller?  Do you not think that a Hubbard Coil is feasible?  Or are you saying the Hubbard Coil is similar to a TPU and is something worth pursuing?  Hubbard lived back in the heyday of Tesla and Moray.  I think that back then there was a more fundamental understanding of electricity.  Electronics did not exist then and everything was a lot simpler.  Now everything is overcomplicated.  There are electronics in everything.  I know greenhorn engineers that just can not function without a computer.  There are quite a few people on this site that use their sound card for a signal source rather than designing a circuit to generate a signal.  Other people here don't even know what an oscilloscope is.  When they find out they download a piece of software that uses the microphone circuit on the sound card as their input to the oscilloscope software.  Blech!

To master fundamental problems in electricity you need to work with real electricity, design actual circuits and not simulate something on the GD computer...

I would not put Hubbard on the level where Tesla and Moray are.  It seems that he was given the design for his generator through some divine source and did not pursue it to its ultimate ends.  Tesla and Moray were life long electrical experimenters.  They are the authority on electrical phenomena.  However I think the Hubbard Coil is worth pursuing.  Not just because of its alleged divine source, but also because it makes sense to me.  Also because I have been pursuing it for a long time and am determined to get it to work.  I actually did have a little success but did not know it at the time.  When I had the primary coils of the Soft Particle Reactor connected in series the device made this interesting little wave form which was down in the noise.  If I had my scope connected to the coil when the driver circuit was off it made this wave form that had seven peaks.  There are seven primary coils in the Soft Particle Reactor.  I didn't think to connect the coils in a loop.  I wasn't getting the amplitude that I was expecting and was obsessing on that .  I would up reconfiguring the primaries in parallel and trying a different approach with my drive circuit.  But, now, after encountering this thread, the PMH, and TPU theory, I may have been very close to getting the thing to self oscillate.

Think of each primary as a 90 degree phase in a sine wave.  There are eight primary coils, so we have two cycles running about the periphery of the center coil.  These two cycles of a sinewave are twisting around the center coil forming a magnetic vortex.  In a normal solenoid the flux is passing through the core material in straight lines at a right angle to the electron flow in the wires.  What does a vortex do?  It accelerates flow.  By forming a magnetic vortex around a solenoid you are accelerating the flow of flux through the core material.  This is where the free energy is coming from.  The magnetic vortex is supercharging the center coil.  Wow, that was some epiphany!  I am going to wind up a new coil as soon as possible...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Hi Z.monkey,

Your message hase 2 parts.
The aligning the masters and their products with your assessment and next attaching experiences to the formulation. I could not have said that if I didn't know what I was talking about. It is one of the core thinking process of creativity.

You have stated the similarities and yes coils are it. Nothing new here. But also not complicated. Add Hendershot too.

Treat the tuned coils as tuning forks. Hook them in series, parallel, transformer combinations, circular. You got the where with all by your posts. If you think you were close before then kick youself now and get it over with. Press on. I used square waves to preclude using sine waves of higher voltages. When I first achieved the ringing between the pulses I leaned back and knew that I had the start of the reflective ringing.

I posted exactly what to do in my steps. There are other ways to get there. But at least get over the first hurdle. My efforts, for me, have been way cool. But one should not operate in a vaccuum.

--giantkiller. Think back about what you did. Strange scope shots are the key.

I may be wrong but I think you are going to see many inventions like the hubbard coil being understood in the next few years. The level of understanding seems to be growing exponentially both in this forum and the world at large.
Best Regards

Howdy AllCanadian,

You are right.  With out going into a discussion about Metaphysics I will try and explain why.  It is divine intervention.  Heaven knows what has been happening here.  They have recorded all of it in meticulous detail for all time.  There are many things that were given to mankind which were taken away by the Forces of Darkness.  Some of these things we have heard of, like the Hubbard Coil.  Many of these things no one knows about because they were selfishly kept from the general public by unscrupulous, greedy, and evil men.  The Forces of Light (Heaven, Angels, Archangels and others) have beaten down and and almost eliminated the Forces of Darkness.  The war in Heaven is still on, but the good guys have the upper hand and their victory is imminent.  The Forces of Light are redistributing the gifts of Heaven that were lost to mankind.  This redistribution is not straightforward and overt.  They give these gifts only to those who are worthy.  The gifts come in mysterious ways like dreams, visions, inspirations, subtle hints, and sometimes direct contact.  So yes you are right.  In the next few years we will be seeing some miraculous technologies.  There will be unprecedented strides in Science, Art, and Humanity.  We will soon see where we should have been if the Forces of Darkness had not interfered with our history and our planet.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Howdy Y'all,

I have been busy...  He he...  The Hubbard Coil works in an Alternating Current system.  When you look at this circuit from a pulsed DC standpoint it is kind of strange.  But from an AC standpoint it is perfect.  The reason this works as AC is the coils will develop their own wave symmetry after startup.  When you start the thing you give it a large DC pulse.  As the pulse gets into the system and starts to oscillate around the periphery the waves smooth out into AC.  Alternatively you could stimulate the circuit using AC.  I already have a driver board setup to do this.  He he he...

This is so cool!

Blessed Be Brothers...

Howdy Y'all,

The diagram in the last post has the voltage phase in degrees annotated on it.
Here is the schematic for the analog driver board.  The ADB is setup for the
Soft Particle Reactor.  I will have to modify this schematic for the Hubbard Coil.

This is a recycled back EMF device.  As the magnetic field in one coil collapses
it is discharged into the next coil and so on and so forth ad infinitum.
It goes in an infinite circle around the periphery of the device.  Think of the infinity
symbol, what is it?  It is a one cycle of a sine wave and one cycle of a cosine
wave in the same space.  The BIG DUH has arrived.  It is so simple!  The Hubbard
Coil is INFINITY, DUH! 

Oh My GOD!

Blessed Be Brothers...

Howdy Y'all,

OK, I got the infinity symbol mixed up.  Infinity is not a sine wave and a cosine wave.  It is a sine wave and an arcsine wave.  The cosine is 90 degrees out of phase with a sinewave.  The arcsine wave is the inverse of a sine wave, or 180 degrees out of phase.

I have had a intellectual buzz ever since I figured this out.  The Hubbard Coil is the AC Electrical equivalent of infinity.  It is true that Hubbard first built this thing.  However I believe that the idea was not his, it came from a channeled source.  So I am going to rename the Hubbard Coil.  Now some at this point would want to use their own name, after going to so much trouble to figure something out.  But this is really not my idea either, so, hence forth this device will be called the Infinity Coil.

I'm all wiggly about this.  It has been a long time since I was this excited...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Z  I can feel you jumping up and down from here!!  you really have the INFINITY coil figured out?? Chet

Lets put some icing on the cake here...

Look at the picture.
As one can see the square wave is obvious. But with the resonant rise we have a ringing effect. Ringing? That is the reflected / deflected pressure from an impasse. A what? Who or what sent that back? Talk to me! I am feeling kind of omnipotent here....  The ringing frequency comes from where? I didn't do that.

And the envelope even looks like a bell. Imagine that!

--giantkiller.

Howdy Giantkiller,

That looks like inductive self-resonance to me.  Instead of a LC circuit, you built a LLLL circuit. L⁴ circuit?  As each coil reaches saturation it self-discharges into the next one down the line.  The charge is racing around the inductor cluster apparantly at a fairly high frequency.  Can you post a schematic of what you are testing?

Ramset, I am just giddy, giggling like a little schoolgirl...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Howdy GiantKiller,

Another observation, when the square wave goes low the ringing starts and looks like it is increasing in amplitude.  Then the square wave goes high and the ringing stops with the direct current.  Try giving it only one pulse, high then low, and let the ringing continue.  See if the amplitude goes higher.  You may have the brass ring there, no pun intended.

Theoretically you are generating a vortex in the ether.  The longer the ringing continues the larger the vortex will become drawing more and more magnetic flux through the cluster of coils.  The limiting factor is the physical size of the inductor cluster and the size of each inductor.  So there should be an upper limit to the amplitude.  What that is I don't know.  Also see if you can measure the frequency of the ringing.  There should be some relationship between the size and number of the coils and the frequency.

I think you have done it, you found the free energy demon, at least in one way.  We should be able to access this energy in many ways.

Excellent work...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: BEP on July 05, 2008, 11:17:25 PM
Cupric Oxide?

Kinda like the conductor in lamp cord used to be? The way almost all copper wire was made up until the 50/60s. The way copper surely was on the original Cook coils? That is annealed and not drawn again so they maintained flexibility. Current wire is annealed with the new process that does not include oxygen so the copper will not turn black. The old conductors would turn black easily.

If you want to try annealed copper heat it to a dull cherry red and let cool on its own. Don't quench it. If you heat it right and long enough the black stuff will appear.
It flakes off easily. No matter, the good stuff is under it. It is known in the PC board biz as 'Red Plague'. Also known as the first photocell. It is sensitive to more than light.

Any SM words about TPUs working better with rust or oxides formed or working better over time or better after it got hot the first time?

I'll see if these words mean anything. I had just finished annealing copper band for my next experiment when that great reading patent link was posted.

SM did mention that he tried "corroded wire" and that it worked very well:

QuoteBy the way, something strange is that, once I made a unit with some old corroded wire for the collector and it worked very well for it's size. I made another identical collector with shiny new wire and it did not work quite as well. I never found out why, but there was a difference. I did not spend too much time on the curiosity because I had unlimited funding and a whole room full of every kind of wire there was.

Perhaps this is why:

QuoteCopper(I) oxide shows four well understood series of excitons with resonance widths in the range of neV. The associated polaritons are also well understood; their group velocity turns out to be very low, almost down to the speed of sound. That means light moves almost as slow as sound in this medium. This results in high polariton densities, and effects like Bose-Einstein condensation, the dynamical Stark effect and phonoritons have been demonstrated.

used in anti-fouling paints...

EDIT:

http://www.unitednuclear.com/chem.htm

$12 for 8 oz

As I recall, the copper from Chili was best for copper diodes.

------------------------------- hubbard
> http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt

http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
http://pese.150m.com/fe/FE-hubb.html

http://www.google.de/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA2&dq=4,835,433&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1_1#PPA6,M1

http://pese.150m.com/hubb/  here you find ALL

http://pese.150m.com/hubb/sparkplug.html
http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206

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Hello all,

yes, corroded wire is OK, I tried it a long time ago.

Otto

 :) @Giantkiller,

amazing to see your seeming 'bell-shaped' waveform!!!I ........is it not that you are thinking to THIS?

...long story behind...

ronotte

Quote from: ronotte on July 14, 2008, 08:18:26 AM
:) @Giantkiller,

amazing to see your seeming 'bell-shaped' waveform!!!I ........is it not that you are thinking to THIS?

...long story behind...

ronotte

Good to hear from you.
Yes it is. Just like we talked about before. ;) I am rearranging my new lab around after moving. Got a great view of the mountains and am setting up that bell test to hit the coils with 1 pulse. That has been suggested twice now. I still have a 1 scope probe that is fried from the previous mishap.
The direction of that picture you see is aiming down. That is the wireless tranmission direction into the earth. If you rotate that picture / coil 180 degrees and fire that into the sky that is the start of the ionic power transmission and also the view of what hits any other adjacent coils. Hopefully in resonance.

--giantkiller.

There is an old photo of Hubbards device that shows an automobile distributor (8 cylinder?) and a 11.25 kv DC power supply.  Distributor is run by a motor and a variac is next to it (speed control?).  A spark plug was somewhere in there.

That being said, is he pulsing each coil and they are not in series?  Who knows?

In other accounts Hubabrd just started the device with a single pulse and it kept working - possible feedback of the output.

Some say the cores are iron - others say they are "magnetized". Magnetized makes more sense.

Hubbard stated that the eight coils were "electromagnets" with primaries and secondaries - not necessarily bifilar, could be one over the other.

@Giantkiller

You are getting there but you are not there quite yet.

What you are looking at (I believe) is the beginning of additive or true harmonic resonance, as Tesla was continually after in his work.

I like your tuning fork mental example. In a simplified understanding of basic resonance, the pulse flows through the wire, hits what appears as an electrical brick wall which absorbs the energy, which then releases it to flow in the other direction. However, the voltage was not at proper cycle and some energy is lost, and the wave does not match the spatial displacement of the next wave being sent, so the voltages actually decrease each other. The waves pulse back and forth, but die out. (Transformer action, or Non-Q basic resonance.)

Now, we have another coil, where the input pulse frequency is an exact 1/4 wavelength of the length of the wire it is input into. It hits the "brick wall" at exactly full voltage. It then rebounds. At the other end it is exactly opposite, and rebounds. However, every pulse is exactly matching in spacial displacement as every other wave. These waves then do NOT cancel out each others voltage, they add to each other. However, there is only one set of frequencies flowing through the wire, so the voltage addition is limited. But the coil is "ringing", putting out a steady amplification. This is where both you and I are at at this time.

Now, what we are after is the coil where more than one frequency is based upon this 1/4 wavelength principle.With two or more frequencies in PERFECT harmony in spatial displacement, the voltage summing can RAMP, and all waves reinforce (both voltage AND current) each other.       Each separate reflection of each wave will sum again with every other reflection of every other wave in the circuit. (Tesla's actual goal and main achievement in various devices.) 

Loner came up with an awesome manner of finding self resonance, using an armstrong based oscillator and feedback. It has no choice but to resonate at the proper frequency for whatever coil is used. HOWEVER THIS IS ONLY ONE FREQUENCY, yet his amplification has been dramatic. Massive fields are generated even with this. (read loners "TPU facts and results" thread for more info. Loner has done quite well.)

What is needed is two or three such circuits driving. The first as normal, the second with a separate inductance to through it out of phase with the first, and possibly others with an inductance/capacitance tank between oscillator output and TPU input.

You now see how it fits perfectly hand in hand with your understanding and description of the wave action.

Paul Andrulis

The above is a somewhat two dimensional interpretation, and I know this already. Apply it three dimensionally upon the COLLECTOR coil, and notice that the rotating field is not included in this interpretation. The rotating field is what is absolutely necessary for the completed TPU device.

For right now, I am going to leave it up to you all to envision the field produced by such described harmonics, which is also self amplifying by the way.

Remember that the voltage/current are directly tied hand in hand with ALL of the fields produced by said. Change or modify one, you change or modify all.

I will also leave it up you all to visualize the effects of a field rotating in one direction slamming into such produced magnetic waves, and the effects of what would happen. The fields. The viewable output.


EDIT ADDED:

Hint, envision two dimensionally if necessary at first, then apply to three or more dimensions and let your imagination smooth out the details. Think of all fields somewhat like really flexible balloons, or like water. Whatever works for you.

2 Dimensional thinking is not enough. You have X and Y (Height and width) but no depth of perspective.
3 Dimensional thinking is not enough. You have X, Y, and Z (Height, width, and depth) but inflexibility of change.
4 Dimensional thinking gets you there. You have X,Y,Z, and T (Height, width, depth, and time, or motion which is relational change over time).

Paul Andrulis

Has anyone noticed that Hubbard's device does not have condensers?  We have a HV source, a cummutator of sorts (automobile distributor and motor), possible a spark gap other than the distributor (he has a patent for a spark plug but I can't determine if it is used in this device), cores that are possibly magnetic, and 9 coils.

Sounds like he may be impact exciting the 8 outer coils by charging and connecting the primary coil.  This was an alternative means to excite Tesla's "extra coil" as put forth by Steinmetz.  Output would be the secondaries of the 8 with the primaries of the 8 emiting RE, and now we see why the cores might be magnetic.  ;)

Something like this:

@Grumpy

It would require an extremely high voltage input (car coil or equivalent) to excite your system. The distributor IS a commutator of sorts, but there is a several thousandths inch gap between the rotor electrode and the cap electrodes that the spark has to jump, and then it has to jump the gap at the spark plug as well.

What is interesting is that I never though of using a couple of car distributors for a quenched rotary spark gap before. :D

Or for that matter multiple spark plugs...... Hmmm....

Paul Andrulis

the article I found said Hubbard used an 11.25 KV DC supply - which can easily jump these gaps.

The Steinmetz means of coil excitation (for oscillations, traveling waves and such) was the only thing I could think of that fit with what little is known about the device.  It is not a very well-known method of achieving Tesla's results.

The cores would have to be magnetized.  To induce a change in the tempic field you must use the electric and magnetic fields.  Spark discharges are the electric and the magnets are the magnetic.  He could easily have magnetized iron rods with a battery and the article said that the rods were separated and packed with something?  he could have used iron rods and magnetite from his back yard with glue and put the juice to them - ta-da large bar magnet core.  Hell, he could have packed it in the tube and then magnetized it. 

He may have used no spark plug at all or used the spark plug after the distributor to try to sharpen the pulse.  Hell, he could have put the plugs in the distributor cap too - LOL!

Yes, rotary gap would do same.

Link to article on Hubbard coil:

http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Hubbard_Alfred/The%20Hubbard%20Energy%20Transformer%20by%20Gaston%20Burridge.pdf

Distruibutor was for 8 cylinder - shown in image on page 2

11.25 kv dc shown in image on page 3

I believe a space heater is shown on the left.

He would only run it for short periods of time due to overheating.  Output wire may have been to small of gage.

Howdy Y'all,

Grumpy and Paul, the Hubbard Coil is supposed to a SELF Sustaining Electrical Generator.  It develops and sustains its own power without external drivers or being continuously connected to batteries.  The idea is the coil is inductively self resonant and it puts out power with no input.  I spent years trying to drive this coil in anyway possible.  Pulsed DC, AC, Capacitive Discharge, High Voltage.  The main reason it didn't work was the coils were not connected in a loop.  It was beyond my reasoning to connect the coils in a loop.  I had to look at it a totally different way.

When I saw GiantKiller's coil go into resonance it clicked in my brain.  His set of air coils does this because you have a full cycle of a sinewave represented in a set of 4 coils.  Basically when the voltage finishes traveling around the loop it is in its original phase at the same voltage and frequency.
This allows it to continue traveling infinitely.  This will work in increments of 4 coils.  GiantKiller's 4 coil set is one cycle.  My Infinity Coil is two cycles, 8 coils.  This is why you guys have so much trouble tuning the TPUs.  The TPU only has three drive coils.  They are usually driven with three different drivers.  That makes it tough to achieve resonance.  Plus you only have three phases represented, not a whole sinewave.  The all inductor Hubbard Coil achieves resonance by it own nature.  The physical characteristics of the inductors define a resonant frequency, and the device only runs at it its own resonance frequency, hence no tuning problems.

The Hubbard Coil is a true power oscillator.  The trick is using coils in multiples of 4 and connecting the coils in a series loop with all the windings in the same direction.  You have to pay attention to the way a sinewave and an arcsine wave move around this thing.  This is an Alternating Current Device, and the only way you get it to put out power is to let it resonate by itself, NOT driven!

Also, yeah, No Caps!  This power oscillator makes an L⁴ or an L⁸ circuit and NOT an LC circuit.  Any capacitors in parallel with any of the coils will throw off the resonant frequency enough to cause the device to not oscillate.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Did you ever replace the iron cores with magnetized cores?

What you describe is a "ring resonator" and they are not OU.  Not only that, if the Hubbard device is a resonator, it would be a longitudinal one since the coils are sideways.

The hubbard coil can be self-sustaining via the method I suggested.  Notice that it is an open ring, rather than closed like a TPU - Safer this way.

If you think EM induction is that only way anything works, then think again.

Caps are not required when exciting a coil to emit RE with inductor discharge, or constant current (i.e. DC) source.

It is not alternating current - it is "pulsating" - huge difference.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 14, 2008, 07:26:08 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Grumpy and Paul, the Hubbard Coil is supposed to a SELF Sustaining Electrical Generator.  It develops and sustains its own power without external drivers or being continuously connected to batteries.  The idea is the coil is inductively self resonant and it puts out power with no input.  I spent years trying to drive this coil in anyway possible.  Pulsed DC, AC, Capacitive Discharge, High Voltage.  The main reason it didn't work was the coils were not connected in a loop.  It was beyond my reasoning to connect the coils in a loop.  I had to look at it a totally different way.

When I saw GiantKiller's coil go into resonance it clicked in my brain.  His set of air coils does this because you have a full cycle of a sinewave represented in a set of 4 coils.  Basically when the voltage finishes traveling around the loop it is in its original phase at the same voltage and frequency.
This allows it to continue traveling the infinitely.  This will work in increments of 4 coils.  GiantKiller's 4 coil set is one cycle.  My Infinity Coil is two cycles, 8 coils.  This is why you guys have so much trouble tuning the TPUs.  The TPU only has three drive coils.  They are usually driven with three different drivers.  That makes it tough to achieve resonance.  Plus you only have three phases represented, not a whole sinewave.  The all inductor Hubbard Coil achieves resonance by it own nature.  The physical characteristics of the inductors define a resonant frequency, and the device only runs at it its own resonance frequency, hence no tuning problems.

The Hubbard Coil is a true power oscillator.  The trick is using coils in multiples of 4 and connecting the coils in a series loop with all the windings in the same direction.  You have to pay attention to the way a sinewave and an arcsine wave move around this thing.  This is an Alternating Current Device, and the only way you get it to put out power is to let it resonate by itself, NOT driven!

Also, yeah, No Caps!  This power oscillator makes an L⁴ or an L⁸ circuit and NOT an LC circuit.  Any capacitors in parallel with any of the coils will throw off the resonant frequency enough to cause the device to not oscillate.

Blessed Be Brothers...

One more thing:

Impact excitation (i.e. electrical vibration of an inductor) causes the inductor to vibrate at it's own resonant frequency regardless of the frequency of the impacting impulse.  So, the hammer and the tuning fork are separate and that is what Tesla was doing.  The resonant rise stuff was just a means to get a higher voltage.  He stated much later when that resonant rise was not the best way to achieve this.

EDIT:

Oh, and it could be driven or looped and still be over, so what does it matter?

Howdy Grumpy,

You have to look at this thing in a different way...

Tesla defined alternating current theory, and I have seen it resonate with a sinewave.  The reason that the ring oscillator will work is not magnetic induction alone.  The wave running the peripheral coils is "pulsating" via alternating current.  The magnetic fields are spinning around the central core.  This produces a vortex in the center coil, increasing the flux density and increasing the energy traversing the coil.  Ordinarily the back EMF from a coil is less than the initial energy put into it.  But in this case the vortex produced by the spinning magnetic coil pulls more energy in from the surrounding environment.  This produces a power gain in the center coil which is inductively coupled to the peripheral coils.  This increases the voltage in the peripheral coils, sustaining the device.  The core design is the key to the magnetic vortex.

Blessed Be Brothers...

And getting back to simplicity with air core the coils can emit the field more freely and farther into space. No dampening. Only one material by one frequency to resonant. Add another material and you don't get the single tune.

http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~kvdoel/bells/bells.html

http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/popular-mechanics/The-Boy-Mechanic-1000-Things-for-Boys-to-Do/Construction-Of-A-Small-Bell-Ringing-Transformer-Part-I-F.html

Structural problems of mixed metal combinations.
http://www.probell.org/files/Ringing%20Bells-LAVEK%20Colloquium030306.pdf

--giantkiller. Way wide sidetrip to think about.

Howdy GiantKiller!

Yes, core material is a major concern.  Having uniform cores made from exactly the same material are also key.  I am thinking about small wires, like 1 mm (0.0254 inch) wires that are laminated and grouped into rods. Then the windings are wound directly on the conglomeration of iron rods.

The resonant frequency of the core is defined by the permeability of the cores.  This thing needs to be compatible with current equipmentation.  This means a relatively low frequency.  Most landlocked equipment is 60 Hertz, while ship and aircraft are 400 Hertz.  We are supposed to build a compatible power supply, not something that resonates in the KHz band.  So the large amounts of iron in the cores gives it a relatively large permeability.  The Hubbard Coil is a current generator and not a HV generator.  The iron slows down the resonant frequency to some thing below 500 Hertz.  The actual frequency is dependent on the physical coil design.

I really had to bend my reality to understand this thing.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 14, 2008, 08:14:49 PM
Howdy Grumpy,

You have to look at this thing in a different way...

Tesla defined alternating current theory, and I have seen it resonate with a sinewave.  The reason that the ring oscillator will work is not magnetic induction alone.  The wave running the peripheral coils is "pulsating" via alternating current.  The magnetic fields are spinning around the central core.  This produces a vortex in the center coil, increasing the flux density and increasing the energy traversing the coil.  Ordinarily the back EMF from a coil is less than the initial energy put into it.  But in this case the vortex produced by the spinning magnetic coil pulls more energy in from the surrounding environment.  This produces a power gain in the center coil which is inductively coupled to the peripheral coils.  This increases the voltage in the peripheral coils, sustaining the device.  The core design is the key to the magnetic vortex.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 14, 2008, 10:19:53 PM
Howdy GiantKiller!

Yes, core material is a major concern.  Having uniform cores made from exactly the same material are also key.  I am thinking about small wires, like 1 mm (0.0254 inch) wires that are laminated and grouped into rods. Then the windings are wound directly on the conglomeration of iron rods.

The resonant frequency of the core is defined by the permeability of the cores.  This thing needs to be compatible with current equipmentation.  This means a relatively low frequency.  Most landlocked equipment is 60 Hertz, while ship and aircraft are 400 Hertz.  We are supposed to build a compatible power supply, not something that resonates in the KHz band.  So the large amounts of iron in the cores gives it a relatively large permeability.  The Hubbard Coil is a current generator and not a HV generator.  The iron slows down the resonant frequency to some thing below 500 Hertz.  The actual frequency is dependent on the physical coil design.

I really had to bend my reality to understand this thing.

Blessed Be Brothers...

I am looking at this from a realistic perspective not some damn la-la-land-pseudo-magentic-vortex-sci-fi-wanna-be way.   Hubbard never said it was AC - he said it "pulsated" and that is a huge clue that you choose to ignore out of ignorance!

If there was a magnetic vortex in the center coil - in the orientation illustrated - it is not perpendicular to the wires and therefore can not induce an electric field!

If HV is not required to excite the device then why the 11.25 kv DC power supply?!  Why the auto distributor?  This device does not work by the application of high current!  It can't!

If you had any idea what I gave you when I explained this device, your mind would melt, so perhaps it is best that you didn't "get it".

Believe whatever you want, be as foolish as you want, enjoy your "blue pill" and your self-satisfying world of illusion...

now your all gonna get me going agin ....

you dont need me have a look at this thing .....

do ya??

i have never even looked at this thing but i can tell you this i can figure it out too !!

why?

cuz someone else already did...  if 1 can we all can ....

think simple....  it is the best way...

ist

gotta be plused dc ....

Quote from: Grumpy on July 14, 2008, 07:40:37 PM

........So, the hammer and the tuning fork are separate and that is what Tesla was doing.  The resonant rise stuff was just a means to get a higher voltage.  He stated much later when that resonant rise was not the best way to achieve this........

That is really interesting, as I have read tons of Tesla's works, both early and late, and have never come across this assertion. It would be great if you could provide a source for this Grumpy sir.

Concerning the impact resonance, yes self-limiting resonance is achieved. However, this resonance is self destructive, and doesn't provide squat.

ADDED CONCERNING ABOVE STATEMENT:
Otherwise every single resonant frequency circuit built would be producing the desired effects...... Radio's, TV's, Computers, etc.... Yet, they amazingly DON'T.
END OF ADDITION:

It is amazing how everyone states the TPU puts out DC.

In the video copy I bought from JDO300 (the high-quality version), it is amazing how he makes the statement DC at 5Khz, then when prompted quickly states "No, it is A.C... For all intents and purposes it is D.C."

Paul Andrulis

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 15, 2008, 12:23:23 AM

Otherwise every single resonant frequency circuit built would be producing the desired effects...... Radio's, TV's, Computers, etc.... Yet, they amazingly DON'T.
END OF ADDITION:

It is amazing how everyone states the TPU puts out DC.

In the video copy I bought from JDO300 (the high-quality version), it is amazing how he makes the statement DC at 5Khz, then when prompted quickly states "No, it is A.C... For all intents and purposes it is D.C."

Paul Andrulis

you put in plused dc... it returns a few diffrent things dc ac orbit!! re etc

but the reason i quoted you is because  tv, radios, computers are GROUNDED OUT!! to discard insted of capture and reuse

ist

Howdy Y'all,

So Grumpy, you have a working Hubbard Coil, that you built with your own hands?  I have never seen a Hubbard coil with an automotive distributor on it.  That idea is absurd.  Your applying 10s of kilovolts to the primaries and what comes out 100s of kilovolts?  I have so many devices that need 100,000 volts input power.  This device is a current generator, I didn't say that it requires high current to start it.  This is supposed to be a self sustaining generator that we can hook up to our appliances to and run them directly.  Hubbard never mentioned needing a power converter to adjust the output power to the correct voltage and phase.  I know I had a major epiphany concerning this device, and I do understand it.  If you cannot see what I see, you don't have to ridicule me.  Inferring that I look at the world with some electric arc colored glasses is also wrong.  I am a seasoned professional in electronic and electrical physics.  I earn my living knowing what I am talking about, not dreaming up some fantasy circuit in a science fiction novel.  The only thing that melted here is my respect for you...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 15, 2008, 12:23:23 AM
That is really interesting, as I have read tons of Tesla's works, both early and late, and have never come across this assertion. It would be great if you could provide a source for this Grumpy sir.

This is from this book:
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm

You can also see this proven in Richard Hull's work with Tesla Magnifiers. A two-coil resonant coil system can never achieve what a magnifier can.

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 15, 2008, 12:23:23 AM

Concerning the impact resonance, yes self-limiting resonance is achieved. However, this resonance is self destructive, and doesn't provide squat.

ADDED CONCERNING ABOVE STATEMENT:
Otherwise every single resonant frequency circuit built would be producing the desired effects...... Radio's, TV's, Computers, etc.... Yet, they amazingly DON'T.
END OF ADDITION:

It is amazing how everyone states the TPU puts out DC.

In the video copy I bought from JDO300 (the high-quality version), it is amazing how he makes the statement DC at 5Khz, then when prompted quickly states "No, it is A.C... For all intents and purposes it is D.C."

Paul Andrulis

Impact oscillations are self-limiting in your world perhaps. 

In SM's letters to Lindsay, which are later than the videos, he states that the output of a TPU is DC with "hash".

The output could be DC or AC depending on the configuration.  For DC you push in one direction, for AC you push back and forth - so-to-speak.

Radios, TVs, other electronic devices do produce "a field" other than electric and magnetic, but they are not produced in such a way that will produce the desired results.

A couple more years of working on this and you may be more receptive.

i agree with grumpy

the out put is what ever you designed it for.....

listen switch amparage through your hubbard coil  ;D

then you see the light  8)  bring your shades  ;D

even 1 amp :D

so now you see da light stand up for your right .....  marley

ist

im just getting sick ....   too much bs round here it is far easyer then you all think...

wake up already

Quote from: z.monkey on July 15, 2008, 05:42:27 AM
So Grumpy, you have a working Hubbard Coil, that you built with your own hands?

Don't need one, and I'm not ready to lose time on AG stuff to build one at the moment.  Although, a very small one, about the size of a drink coaster, pulsed via a buzzing relay would not take long to do.  I just noticed that the EM and ring resonator approach was wrong.  Ring resonators usually take two inputs phased 90 degrees apart.  Peter Ceperley developed one that only needs one input by using a perterbation - quite interesting.  Coil sections in a continuous ring as well as capacitors are required - see third image below.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 15, 2008, 05:42:27 AM
I have never seen a Hubbard coil with an automotive distributor on it.  That idea is absurd.  Your applying 10s of kilovolts to the primaries and what comes out 100s of kilovolts?  I have so many devices that need 100,000 volts input power. 

You have never seen a working Hubbard device anymore than anyone else alive has - so you can only guess and make assumptions like everyone else.  See images below for the distributor and try to explain it away.  Hubbard used 11,250 volt power supply - a 10kv oil burner ignition transformer would suffice.  Hell, a CW voltage multiplier would probably work, as would a flyback rectified.  Plenty of schemtics online for these.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 15, 2008, 05:42:27 AM
This device is a current generator, I didn't say that it requires high current to start it.  This is supposed to be a self sustaining generator that we can hook up to our appliances to and run them directly.  Hubbard never mentioned needing a power converter to adjust the output power to the correct voltage and phase.  I know I had a major epiphany concerning this device, and I do understand it.  If you cannot see what I see, you don't have to ridicule me.  Inferring that I look at the world with some electric arc colored glasses is also wrong.  I am a seasoned professional in electronic and electrical physics.  I earn my living knowing what I am talking about, not dreaming up some fantasy circuit in a science fiction novel.  The only thing that melted here is my respect for you...

Blessed Be Brothers...

The Hubbard device is a "conversion device".   Who said the motor used was an AC motor?  It could have been DC.  The specs for the motor are never given other than the HP.  If you follow conventional thinking and theories, you will wind up at the same dead end as everyone else.  Credentials don't matter.  Educated people are the hardest to change.  It's like the incomplete knowledge that they were taught works against them.

I apologize for any ridicule.  Respect for me is not required.  I place little value on things like that and could care less what people think.

Here is an article by Gaston Burridge regarding the Hubbard device:
http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Hubbard_Alfred/The%20Hubbard%20Energy%20Transformer%20by%20Gaston%20Burridge.pdf

See the two images and the component anotations?

hears 1 more tip ...

caps and diodes are not needed

did tesla use a diode??

ist

i can see engery enter the system WITHOUT THE USE OF A DIODE AND A CAP


hummmm

Howdy Grumpy,

This Hubbard Coil is steeped in legend.  No one knows what the thing is really supposed to be anymore.  There are lots of theoretical designs.  I can say for sure that I am sick of all the theories, and want to get something down in hard physics.  BTW, I am self educated, stayed as far away from the system as I could.  That is why, at this point, I have to break away from Hubbard theories and pursue my own path.  I know what is in my mind will work.  But there is no sense in me calling my device a Hubbard Coil any longer because I have moved away from what that is apparently.  My device is a ring oscillator augmented by Soft Particle physics.  It looks a lot like a Hubbard Coil, but my reason for it collecting additional power is quite different.

So what is this AG stuff you are working on.  I am very interested in Inertia Canceling Devices and Bifield Brown Thrusters.   FTL would be cool also.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Did Paul have a Hubbard Like device?

Check this patent, as it looks similar.  Pat2pdf.com works great.

4,835,433.

I tried uploading it to here, but it is too large.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 15, 2008, 10:41:00 AM
Howdy Grumpy,

This Hubbard Coil is steeped in legend.  No one knows what the thing is really supposed to be anymore.  There are lots of theoretical designs.  I can say for sure that I am sick of all the theories, and want to get something down in hard physics.  BTW, I am self educated, stayed as far away from the system as I could.  That is why, at this point, I have to break away from Hubbard theories and pursue my own path.  I know what is in my mind will work.  But there is no sense in me calling my device a Hubbard Coil any longer because I have moved away from what that is apparently.  My device is a ring oscillator augmented by Soft Particle physics.  It looks a lot like a Hubbard Coil, but my reason for it collecting additional power is quite different.

So what is this AG stuff you are working on.  I am very interested in Inertia Canceling Devices and Bifield Brown Thrusters.   FTL would be cool also.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Look at the pdf I linked.  The Hubbard device is not so different from the TPU or a Tesla Magnifier.  What other means of energy magnification is known, other than what is termed "radiant electricity" or "radiant current" or "radiant energy"?

ITS ALL THE SAME DAMN THING ALL OF IT !!!!  PEORID

ALL FREE ENGERY TESLA DEVICES  WORK ON HIS LIL KICK  ;D

DUH!!

how can you make a big kick?? or thousands of em?  with high power out put??  humm

useing 1 /100th of the out put  can it be done of course it can!!

ist

wheres the proof lol TESLA DID IT 

These are definately good times and dark times.

I showed a scope shot.
I showed youtubes showing the circuit.
I posted many scope shots of the artifact.
You all were supposed to jump on that then!

I got fast and excited about how the effect could be made better and better.
I kept reconnecting the device objects in different ways. Most showed promise.

There are posts that show interest.
There are posts that show disdaine.
There are posts that show commaderie.
There are posts that show false duplicity.

I can talk about artifacts from the last 2 years. Some posters think they are new.
There is alot to learn if you are starting out. Past that point I have been focusing on similar patterns of artifacts so I can instantly see what category of operation is present.

Stan Deyo said Pulsed DC in an email we corresponded on. Yes, that is right, I contacted him. And he responded graciously. I also asked him if I could relay the information publicly. He responded 'Yes'. He lives just down the highway from me.

January 2007 I read Leedskalnin and Emery. Last August, Innovation point out the Leedskalnin PMH. I cut iron wire and bundled it. In May 2008, Poster 'X' said 'Think Leedskalnin'. I pulled the PMH out and start hooking it up. I threw rat shack coils on it. Viola! Artifact. 'That was easy'.
Did you hear alot from me? No. I just plodded along into the unknown. What makes the unknown? We have all the info we need. In some respects we even have the people available. We even have documented tests. We just have to put a real test in front of our faces. Thats all.

I don't see any other matching results appearing from other posters. Sine waves, squares waves? It's all good. AC sine waves cross ground. DC sine waves are above ground by some bias level. Thats all. The DC input keeps the subatomic structures aligned in one direction overall. The AC lets the field jack back and forth essentially cancelling any accumulative effect. There by causing heat also.

Now throw in resonance to cause a huge wave effect of the induction. Did you ever do a bellyflop? Everything above 22 feet is concrete. Land wrong and you will find out how hard a soft surface can be. Same rules, different place. What do the parallel coils feel when the main is smacked? A bellyflop from 22 feet can kill you.

Who gives a damn what can't be done. You have been told a lie all your lives.
Nobody replied about pulsing magnetic fields into the ground or into the sky. Hello?

I have a new application for a micrwave oven sized stungun powered off cylinder 1 spark plug lead. Put it in your car trunk and whenever you see a fellow driver on a cell phone just press the button. Zap! Hello? is anybody there? One ringy dingy, 2 ringy dingy. Applications abound.

--giantkiller. Echoes should keep you awake...

lets talk ed and emery a min...  shall we?

emery traped electricy in iron  ed did it in iron and copper

and then there is me i did it in both :P

the point is you can trap it make it work then pull off the power through resonance..  you also can easly control the trapped electricty  8)

how kick it in the ass......

ist

oh remember when you pull power through resosanace or  TUNED COILS there is 0 LOSS

some where you will find teslas own words that that state this ...

so for plain english

your traped engery will not slow down under load :o  meaning you can pull power from it for free  8)

do tell me im wrong agin ....

go STUDY MPI  !!!

same damn thing

check out this posting about the hubbard coil, it's a transcript of the newspaper article from 1920 or so.

Note towards the botom of the article, that the secret is realy in how you start it.    In many respects this device is so much simpler and the variables that need to be figured out, so much less.    It tells us plainly it has eight electromagnets with primary and secondary COPPER coils on it,  central steel core with a coil around it, and that it's started in a special way. 

Don't get deceived by the radiation explanations which came much later and are no doubt a diversion.

http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt

@emd

i see 2 coils copper and some steel do you ?

:D

im kinda thinking cascade effect ...   8 of eh  pay for 1  and run 7  hummmm

I never fell for the radiation either. That was a ruse by the Radiation corporation to hold the simplicity under wraps.

You could start the coil with a stun gun. Not only the energy cycle but the potential expressed in the copper run will be charged by the gaping of the spark. In one pull of the trigger you get many pulses of varying frequencies. And the coil will express that potential along its length shooting out perpendicular.

I am tired of testing with the stun gun. It wreaks havoc on my pcs, router, equipment and dogs.

--giantkiller.

Howdy Y'all,

OK, GiantKiller, EMDevices, I have core materials to build 2 cores already in my possession.  How should I wind them?  I assume one with the Cook coils and a central single winding.  The other?  I have one set of cores that already has a single layer of #26 magnet wire.  With the fresh materials I was going to build the ring oscillator.  I can experiment with that concept with the one with Cook coils.  So I can wind the other one another way.  Also I have the ability to make the winding connections "programmable" with a set of jumpers or terminal blocks so they can be rewired quickly to test another hypothesis.

EMD Core.
I can do the Cook Coil Model with # 26 magnet wire for the secondary winding on the primary core, and #22 stranded wire with thick insulation for the primary winding on the primary core.  The center coil I don't know about.  One set of windings or two?  #26 mag wire or #22 hookup wire?  What about starting it?  Temporarily connect it to a battery?  Cap Discharge?  HV Pulse?  Stungun?  Off switch for the cook coil?  Disconnect a circuit?  All circuits?

Other Core?  Ring oscillator (I know that one) ?  Whadaya wanna do?

My cores are 1/2 inch inside diameter iron plumbing pipe with and 1/2 inch carbon steel machine screw filling the inside for the primaries.  The center core is a 1 inch inside diameter iron plumbing pipe filled with 1/8 inch round carbon steel rods.  All the metal is 8 3/16 inches long to fit the bolts.  External diameters for the cores are 0.850 inches for the 1/2 inch ID iron tubes, and 1.325 inches for the 1 inch iron tubes.

EMDevices, that article reinforces the idea of the cook coils, having two windings on the primary cores...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Gentlemen no suggestions for Z on this ?  any ideas ?  A fellow traveler willing to build and test and report? Chet

@z.monkey, great that you want to experiment.   I've been busy and I can't at the moment.   Anyhow,  build the 8 cook coils, each with primary and secondary,  (secondary with thicker wire and fewer turns).  Make sure you follow the right connection scheme for a particular test.    The center coil is just a simple coil wound around the central steel bundle, use lots of turns (I would use the thicker wire size for this perhaps)
Now,  hook up the 8 coils in a chain making sure the poles all point in the same direction.   Hook primaries to secondaries, and so on.   This will determine the direction the pulse will travel. I would just pulse the center coil or one of the 8 outer coils, with a quick connect to a battery.   Monitor the voltage on the center coil and see if you observe any fluctuations.  If you do,  and I expect them if wired properly,  then the next step is to perhaps go for a closed loop and connect the output to the input (the 8 coils).   Anyway, that's one test I would do.

@grumpster

I gave you the fair shake of the stick, and read the "quoted" work, though I found it is information not new to me.

However, he was talking about two separate types of waves in the part you were referencing. Damped and undamped waves.

The damped wave is a decaying oscillatory type of wave.
Example: http://www.graphpad.com/help/Prism5/prism5help.html?reg_damped_sine_wave.htm (http://www.graphpad.com/help/Prism5/prism5help.html?reg_damped_sine_wave.htm)

The undamped wave is one in which the oscillations are constant.



I am talking about neither, and Giantkillers scope shot does not show either damped or undamped. What you see is an additive or RAMPED (my term) wave, though the scope shot also demonstrates that it is not fully summing, which may well be a good thing.

It does not degrade (damped) or remain constant (undamped), but increases (ramps) in voltage over time.

Worse, you said that Tesla stated that it is unsuited for our purpose..... Interesting. He did say that it was unsuitable for his magnifying transmitter, quite specifically. Hmmmmmm.......

The magnifying transmitter sets up a resonance within the earth itself, then dumps current into this resonance to use the entire earth as a huge capacitive storage container. Point is, it uses the earth itself to store and transmit the energy. (Simply by tapping in anywhere on the surface of the globe.)

The point for this explanation is simple. I have seen NOT ONE TPU in ANY video, nor have I heard of any discussion whatsoever indicating the need for a direct earth connection of any kind...........

Therefore, what did his statement about undamped waves being the wave of choice for his magnifying transmitter, and undamped waves being unsuitable, have ANYTHING to do with applying to either TPU technology, or my statements?

Or are you just going to tell me to "take another blue pill" again...........

Paul Andrulis

@z, em,
I agree. Coils in a ring. Same as Deyo. simple and similar.

@else,
We are taking steps because the Earth is not flat. There have been results that are promising that textbook or theory holds not a candle to.

--giantkiller. Build?

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 15, 2008, 11:28:52 PM
@grumpster

I gave you the fair shake of the stick, and read the "quoted" work, though I found it is information not new to me.

However, he was talking about two separate types of waves in the part you were referencing. Damped and undamped waves.

The damped wave is a decaying oscillatory type of wave.
Example: http://www.graphpad.com/help/Prism5/prism5help.html?reg_damped_sine_wave.htm (http://www.graphpad.com/help/Prism5/prism5help.html?reg_damped_sine_wave.htm)

The undamped wave is one in which the oscillations are constant.



I am talking about neither, and Giantkillers scope shot does not show either damped or undamped. What you see is an additive or RAMPED (my term) wave, though the scope shot also demonstrates that it is not fully summing, which may well be a good thing.

It does not degrade (damped) or remain constant (undamped), but increases (ramps) in voltage over time.

Worse, you said that Tesla stated that it is unsuited for our purpose..... Interesting. He did say that it was unsuitable for his magnifying transmitter, quite specifically. Hmmmmmm.......

The magnifying transmitter sets up a resonance within the earth itself, then dumps current into this resonance to use the entire earth as a huge capacitive storage container. Point is, it uses the earth itself to store and transmit the energy. (Simply by tapping in anywhere on the surface of the globe.)

The point for this explanation is simple. I have seen NOT ONE TPU in ANY video, nor have I heard of any discussion whatsoever indicating the need for a direct earth connection of any kind...........

Therefore, what did his statement about undamped waves being the wave of choice for his magnifying transmitter, and undamped waves being unsuitable, have ANYTHING to do with applying to either TPU technology, or my statements?

Or are you just going to tell me to "take another blue pill" again...........

Paul Andrulis

The "quoted" work is a 240 page book - which I do not think is online - so what did you read?  I have this book in front of me, what page does Tesla discuss "a few turns of a secondary"?   Also, like I said, Richard Hull's work pretty much crushes resonance as a requirement.  Further exploration into "scalar waves" via the work of Dr. Patrick Flanagan will also show that resonance is not required.

As for "how a magnifier works" you have no idea, so do not offer one.  Unless you have seen frost form around it's base, curved space near it's cap, or the non-ionic field grow around it's cap then you have nothing to offer toward the magnifier.

You are correct that a connection to the earth is not required for a TPU.  The magnifier, while similar in principle does require an earth connection since it is transmitting energy to a distant location through the earth.  A balanced magnfier may or may not have a ground as it is looped on itself.

Why all the talk of damped and undamped waves?  I was talking about impact excitation, which if you had read the book referenced, you would know that Tesla could produce either at will with his transformer.

@Grump

Quote"As for "how a magnifier works" you have no idea, so do not offer one. "

:D :o :o :-*o

I guess Nikola Tesla didn't understand his own devices, just like SM had no clue either ehh grumps?

Aren't we an egotistical.......... (add your own seriously colorful yet somewhat sarcastic definitive here.)

You speak much about others "taking little blue pills". I seriously suggest you quit the yellow and black ones. Follow Tesla's example and drop stimulants (among others) altogether.

You sent me to the link, and yes the book is available in partial, at the link you sent me. Like I said before, I came across no new information not known to me.

Now, I understand that you and you only are capable of understanding the works of our dear Mr. Tesla and the prestigious SM, and that us other inferior intellects are incapable of grasping even the basic concepts as put forth by these two esteemed individuals, and must therefore bow to your superior understandings and revelations, since YOU ALONE can be expert in these matters.

It is obvious that your understandings transcend all demonstrable reality, and that all educational learning must therefore submit to your interpretations of reality.

Now, show me ANY working OU device made by your hand, in humble demonstration of your superior excellence, so that we may all bow to your clarity of thought.......

Do I need to repeat anything for clarity of understanding?  Or do I need to use smaller words.

Paul Andrulis

now that we are past the lil kick free engery thing ......

want to know the real secrets??

like what the hell the tpu is really used for??

remember when tesla designed it ??

what was the date ?

also note that he spisifically designed devices to coinside with this unit....

just look in his pattends ....   yes when you crack tesla you will see......  this info has been public domain since he pattended it

the sheer genious of TESLA  is still far from understood.

i will add this when i learned what i did suddenly many of teslas pattends made perfect sence in an instance to me without reading 1 word!!! i saw the pictures and instantally understood the workings of the device that i was stareing at  HOW WILD IS THAT??

ist

TESLA YOU DA MAN!!!!!


NOW DONT MAKE ME GO GET THE PATTENDS  I CAN PROVE ALL I SAY    i already have proven to my self   prove it to yourselvs

ps:  why did tesls devide the faraday disc????  lol to utialize this verry concept!!

Howdy Y'all,

EMDevices, GiantKiller, CC: Ramset...
OK, answers are ambiguous as usual, I will extrapolate.

The "EMD" Core will get wound with the Cook coils.  The windings for both the primary and secondaries of the primary cores will get wound in the same direction relative to the end of the whole device.  So, looking at the device from the machine screw cap end of the device,  all windings will be turned counterclockwise.  This will orient all flux flow in the same direction.  When we introduce a DC pulse from a battery the current continues to flow in the original direction and we have a pulsating DC waveform which travels around the periphery of the device in the primary cores.

The Ring Oscillator Core will get the original windings I had intended to use.  These are also wound in the same orientation except that we will only have one winding per core.  Again the flux flows in the same direction for each core.  Introducing a DC pulse will generate a pulsating DC waveform which travels around the periphery of the device in the primary cores.

Both wiring schemes produce an infinite loop around the device.  I had planned on using a "Kill" switch to break this path for both devices.  A momentary start switch will also be used to momentarily apply the direct current to start the device.  I want to make the center, output coils on both the devices the same so that we can compare habaneros to habaneros.  The output coils will have an external terminal block connection to allow easy connection to different loads.  I'll make schematics for both devices, just for the sake of having decent readable documentation, just in case someone wants to make a Z.Monkey Coil in 100 years...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: Grumpy on July 15, 2008, 11:10:13 AM
Look at the pdf I linked.  The Hubbard device is not so different from the TPU or a Tesla Magnifier.  What other means of energy magnification is known, other than what is termed "radiant electricity" or "radiant current" or "radiant energy"?

Well, I think if you are creating a vortex it will be a constant magnifier. TPU is a pulsating magnifier. The basis is same: creation of field of difference in aether's density (mass at will, mass effect even ;) ). Beside that there was speculation that SM TPU does not use any kind of pulsing.

Myths tell that Tesla was a master of Ball Lightning among other things... Ball Lightning may be in fact an electricity trapped in a mass field.

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 16, 2008, 01:10:55 AM
@Grump

:D :o :o :-*o

I guess Nikola Tesla didn't understand his own devices, just like SM had no clue either ehh grumps?

Aren't we an egotistical.......... (add your own seriously colorful yet somewhat sarcastic definitive here.)

You speak much about others "taking little blue pills". I seriously suggest you quit the yellow and black ones. Follow Tesla's example and drop stimulants (among others) altogether.

You sent me to the link, and yes the book is available in partial, at the link you sent me. Like I said before, I came across no new information not known to me.

Funny how egotistical pricks call the egotistical pricks egotistical pricks - I'm sure there is a nice Latin saying for this - LOL!

That link with the book excerpt was just an excerpt and contains nothing new.  So, you have not acquired the book and therefore did not read the passage that I mentioned and there can only speculate that am full of crap.

The paragraph I referenced is on page 100 of that book Tesla states the following:

QuoteThere are two ways in which you can operate is you have a reciever of that kind.  (Tesla is refering to his system depicted in patent 645,576) One is by linking, closely, your working circuit with the primary excited circuit.  The other is by linking it loosely, and then working up the pressure by resonance.  You will find that you can do much better, if you have such a device, to produce the necessary pressure by turns, than by resonant rise, because if you want to excite it by resonance you have to link only a few lines; start with a very low electromotive force and work it up.  But, if you have such a device as I have described, you can obtain any pressure you like by a few secondary turns.  I have invented such an instrument and have demonstrated its efficacy.

So, just like Richard Hull found out in his own experiments, resonant rise will only get you so far.  It's just a means to an end, and not necessarily the best means.

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 16, 2008, 01:10:55 AM
Now, I understand that you and you only are capable of understanding the works of our dear Mr. Tesla and the prestigious SM, and that us other inferior intellects are incapable of grasping even the basic concepts as put forth by these two esteemed individuals, and must therefore bow to your superior understandings and revelations, since YOU ALONE can be expert in these matters.

It is obvious that your understandings transcend all demonstrable reality, and that all educational learning must therefore submit to your interpretations of reality.

Now, show me ANY working OU device made by your hand, in humble demonstration of your superior excellence, so that we may all bow to your clarity of thought.......

Do I need to repeat anything for clarity of understanding?  Or do I need to use smaller words.

Paul Andrulis

I do not show "proof" of anything - this is my golden rule and has served me well.  Anyone in a proper frame of mind and with an understanding of the forces that run the show will also not show proof publicly.  That is the "rule of disclosure" that you asked for.  So, if you ever get something good going - keep it discrete or you will learn the hard way.  Now scoff and think that I'm full of crap all you want - it won't make it any less real - so, by all means try to prove me wrong.  Aside from this, I have agreements with friends not to discuss certain things.  For example, I recently mentioned AG (anti gravity - which is a bad term), but I never discuss it.

Niether you nor Z.Monkey has offered any explanation of why the Hubbard device has an automobile distributor from an 8-cylinder engine, driven by a motor.  I'm sure your vast intellect, which towers over all around you, can offer an adequate explanation.

Also, why does Hubbard use an 11.25 KV DC power supply?  Again, I await your insightful explanation that opens our eyes to the light of your supreme intellect.

If the Hubbard device works by some sort of rotating resonance, why are the cores open?  Why are the coils not formed into a ring so that the magnetic field is coupled at the core ends?  Surely this would be a better path for a rotating magnetic field.

Quote from: aleks on July 16, 2008, 09:25:11 AM
Well, I think if you are creating a vortex it will be a constant magnifier. TPU is a pulsating magnifier. The basis is same: creation of field of difference in aether's density (mass at will, mass effect even ;) ). Beside that there was speculation that SM TPU does not use any kind of pulsing.

Myths tell that Tesla was a master of Ball Lightning among other things... Ball Lightning may be in fact an electricity trapped in a mass field.

You are on the correct path, Aleks!

Quote from: z.monkey on July 16, 2008, 07:05:53 AM
Howdy Y'all,

EMDevices, GiantKiller, CC: Ramset...
OK, answers are ambiguous as usual, I will extrapolate.

The "EMD" Core will get wound with the Cook coils.  The windings for both the primary and secondaries of the primary cores will get wound in the same direction relative to the end of the whole device.  So, looking at the device from the machine screw cap end of the device,  all windings will be turned counterclockwise.  This will orient all flux flow in the same direction.  When we introduce a DC pulse from a battery the current continues to flow in the original direction and we have a pulsating DC waveform which travels around the periphery of the device in the primary cores.

The Ring Oscillator Core will get the original windings I had intended to use.  These are also wound in the same orientation except that we will only have one winding per core.  Again the flux flows in the same direction for each core.  Introducing a DC pulse will generate a pulsating DC waveform which travels around the periphery of the device in the primary cores.

Both wiring schemes produce an infinite loop around the device.  I had planned on using a "Kill" switch to break this path for both devices.  A momentary start switch will also be used to momentarily apply the direct current to start the device.  I want to make the center, output coils on both the devices the same so that we can compare habaneros to habaneros.  The output coils will have an external terminal block connection to allow easy connection to different loads.  I'll make schematics for both devices, just for the sake of having decent readable documentation, just in case someone wants to make a Z.Monkey Coil in 100 years...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Hi,
Sorry about the ambiguity. Build a small portion of it to test if need be. Even the slightest advance in your experience past any new effect or for that matter progression into a nirvana moment is worth it. I wound some coils in the beginning based on transformer specifications. Then I found out how standard transformer design stops dead. You do what you can to break over that threshold of normalicy and you will never be the same. The world we live in is a very stupid place. Evil controls its every step. I am glad that I have seen things that evil men fear. Because now I have access to things that are pure evil to the evil yet good for mankind. That is what Tesla truly saw after his designs.

None of my neighbors know what I do. But now I have the insight to look upon the morase of society and shake my head in disbelief at their entrapment.

Truck on and do not be disuaded by time or events. Make your reality come true.

--giantkiller. Beyond the Noise.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2008, 11:11:06 AM
Niether you nor Z.Monkey has offered any explanation of why the Hubbard device has an automobile distributor from an 8-cylinder engine, driven by a motor.  I'm sure your vast intellect, which towers over all around you, can offer an adequate explanation.

Howdy Y'all,

Here ya go!  The distributor is distributing the high voltage pulses to the coils on the device.  In this case he is artificially distributing the energy around the periphery of the coil.  This is the forced, not the natural, way to generate the spinning magnetic fields.  The natural way would to place all the coils in a series loop.  The series loop works out its own resonant frequency.  While the forced loop would have to be tuned by varying the speed of the motor driving the distributor.  It is clear to me now that the method used to achieve the resonance is less important than achieving resonance.  It can be done many ways.  The spinning resonance in the peripheral cores generates a vortex longitudally in the center core.  This is where the "Radiant" energy is collected and utilized.  The radiant energy is sucked into the coil from the surrounding environment where it breaks down into higher energy particles and is collected by the center core.  The term radiant energy refers to the energy available in the form of Soft Particles which have their origin in the energy that we receive from the Sun.

PS Grumpy, sorry I called your version of the Hubbard Coil absurd.  Obviously it is a later design, and is far more powerful than the "normally aspirated" version I am building.  The one that is pulsed with the 11.5KV could potentially power and electrogravity spacecraft.  Is this what you have been working on?  Cool!

Blessed Be Brothers...

the 8 cylender distrubitor cap is used for..... exactaly how it is named no?

it is your timeing or rotating spark gap or spatk gap

ist

Quote from: z.monkey on July 16, 2008, 11:53:36 AM
Howdy Y'all,

Here ya go!  The distributor is distributing the high voltage pulses to the coils on the device.  In this case he is artificially distributing the energy around the periphery of the coil.  This is the forced, not the natural, way to generate the spinning magnetic fields.  The natural way would to place all the coils in a series loop.  The series loop works out its own resonant frequency.  While the forced loop would have to be tuned by varying the speed of the motor driving the distributor.  It is clear to me now that the method used to achieve the resonance is less important than achieving resonance.  It can be done many ways.  The spinning resonance in the peripheral cores generates a vortex longitudally in the center core.  This is where the "Radiant" energy is collected and utilized.  The radiant energy is sucked into the coil from the surrounding environment where it breaks down into higher energy particles and is collected by the center core.  The term radiant energy refers to the energy available in the form of Soft Particles which have their origin in the energy that we receive from the Sun.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Alright.  Now we are engaging in productive discussion.

Distributing pulse yes, but forget the rotating "magnetic field" stuff.  That is an EM approach and won't git 'r dun.  HV is not a means to generate magnetic fields, but it is the means to manipulate "dielectric fields".  Whatever you are thinking, which is along the lines of EM - do the opposite for "dielectric flux".  If you've never heard of "dielectric flux" - look it up in a HV engineering book - it is quite interesting.  Take a whip antenna - EM is at the sides, the good stuff is at the end.

"Radiant energy" may refer to "soft particles", but "radiant electricty" has nothing to do with "soft particles" and everything to do with "dielectric flux".

The end of the atenna is the impact exciting zone within the metal and also the cross over point between the metal and space. This is where the higher energy exits. Em being the slower energy along the shaft. The exit point should produce a ball or longitutidinal ring? Or does it matter? Am I off base?

This equates to the end of the single wire transmission posts.

--giantkiller.

The end of the wire, especially with a small metal plate attached at each end, produces a longitudinal wave and can also receive one. 

Design the system for piss-poor EM functinality and you get bitchin' longitudinal functionality.  Not mine - Patrick Flanagan's.   

I was jsut pointing out that transverse and longitudinal waves are opposites.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 16, 2008, 11:53:36 AM
PS Grumpy, sorry I called your version of the Hubbard Coil absurd.  Obviously it is a later design, and is far more powerful than the "normally aspirated" version I am building.  The one that is pulsed with the 11.5KV could potentially power and electrogravity spacecraft.  Is this what you have been working on?  Cool!

Blessed Be Brothers...

I appreciate this even if you are being sarcastic.  Emotions do not translate through words so it is hard to interpret true meanings of words.

See, I knew I never should have mentioned AG.  No one can resists it's sultry call.

Hubbard got several KW out of his devices - damn impressive.  I am not convinced that he looped it back, but if "out" is greater than "in" - who cares?  He said it would run forever once started with a pulse (like a TPU, which is believed to be looped back)

There is one other approach that looks very interesting:

You have to cause a change in the density of space (and also time) across a conductor to generate electricity.

Remember the tetrahedral TPU-ish thing that "Spherics" posted?  This is no different.

You creating a rotating field of pressure and it causes a flow of "energy" across the output coils (and the input coils in this case) and electricity is produced.  It takes almost no current and only HV.  All that is required is the right configuration and the right pulses.  To achieve this with this arrangement, you pulse the center coil each time an outer coil is pulsed - sound familiar?  This sets up the rotating pressure field (or field of different density) through the outer coils and around the center coil.  Pulse sequence is CCW in northern hemisphere, but shouldn't matter with enough bias from the cores to stomp the ambiant field, but may matter in reagard to the magnets, so would go with CCW and north poles up on the eight coils and down for the center.  See, per Wilbert Smith, you change an electric field in a magnetic field to cause force on tempic field - and this is what we are doing.

Would look like a toroidal magnetic cage - which is kinda cool.

Cores are "magnetized" - wound on insulating tube with magnet inside.

Adjust the pulse rate (motor speed - Hub used a variac) for best effect - not really a resonance.  Pulse rate is pretty low - hence the motor and distributor.  (he also had a gearbox but pulse rate is still low and reasonable)

This would be my plan of attack - straight out of the gate.  At the low pulse rate I doubt the magnets own freq would be found regardless of the magnets used, so they won't explode.  It's inherently safe, which is pretty damn cool.  Maybe there is some truth the story of "devine inspiration".

Howdy Y'all,

Trying to understand this.  Look at a regular old magnetic field around an solenoid.  The lines of force are long along the coil and the abruptly change directions at the ends of the coil.  This place where the magnetic field must rapidly change direction creates a dielectric field perpendicular to the magnetic field.  I have read that the dielectric field is higher in energy than a magnetic field, so high that it is reaching out of the physical plane and into the etheric plane.  So if I put a flat washer at the end of my iron tubes it will enhance the formation of a dielectric field because the magnetic flux has to make quick turns around the flat sharp edges of the washer?  The washers were there already but for a different purpose.  So the primary core fields rotate to provide a more uniform dielectric field in the central core?  This is why the Hubbard coil is a bunch of solenoids and not toroids?  We are pumping the central core with rotating dielectric fields, this causes a perpendicular reaction in the magnetic field of the central core increasing the voltage?  This is not totally new to me.  Teslaisms.

I'm on a permanent, 90 degree learning curve...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2008, 01:34:13 PM
The end of the wire, especially with a small metal plate attached at each end, produces a longitudinal wave and can also receive one. 

Design the system for piss-poor EM functinality and you get bitchin' longitudinal functionality.  Not mine - Patrick Flanagan's.   

I was jsut pointing out that transverse and longitudinal waves are opposites.

I just read that 1956 Hubbard coil post. The last page about the summarization of all these coils in very revealing.

So the the eight coils (on their side, cute) in their resonant state shut down current flow, ringing state. BUT, at the initial conduction state there is a huge lateral longitudinal wave the shoots across the rest of the coil system hitting all the other coils. The energy is trapped and when each coil is fired the resonant impedance is all ready there and we get essentially the end of the wire state already substanstiated. The whole unit becomes a cohesive collection of same tuned forks. A harmonic drum. The Hubbard used a tuning system based on motor speed. The second used raduim chloride. Ping this and the radioactivity becomes an additive feedback mechanism. There was also a unit with an antenna. It uses aspects of the surrounding aether for feedback. Thru tuning we can used the center coil as storage while maintaing a ringing magnetic bias around the circumference. High speed coupling.
Something in our environment holds a tuned device in statis and adds to it.
If you take the resonant rise from all the connected coils this will ramp up greater than the one coil. I posted the scope shot.

Moray used a class-A amplifier in one of his devices. ;D
--giantkiller.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 16, 2008, 02:05:10 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Trying to understand this.  Look at a regular old magnetic field around an solenoid.  The lines of force are long along the coil and the abruptly change directions at the ends of the coil.  This place where the magnetic field must rapidly change direction creates a dielectric field perpendicular to the magnetic field.  I have read that the dielectric field is higher in energy than a magnetic field, so high that it is reaching out of the physical plane and into the etheric plane.  So if I put a flat washer at the end of my iron tubes it will enhance the formation of a dielectric field because the magnetic flux has to make quick turns around the flat sharp edges of the washer?  The washers were there already but for a different purpose.  So the primary core fields rotate to provide a more uniform dielectric field in the central core?  This is why the Hubbard coil is a bunch of solenoids and not toroids?  We are pumping the central core with rotating dielectric fields, this causes a perpendicular reaction in the magnetic field of the central core increasing the voltage?  This is not totally new to me.  Teslaisms.

I'm on a permanent, 90 degree learning curve...

Blessed Be Brothers...

I would just use the magnetic cores as they are - forms like a toroidal magnetic shell.  The solenoid coils aren't really coupled, except for the inner one and the outer one being pulsed and then they couple (so to speak) between their sides and this compresses the goos stuff like water through a hose.

Output coils are the secondaries - hence the pulsating output.

Build a very small one for test purposes.  All eight coils identical and the center one twice the diameter of the outer coils.

Screw it, lets all build one!  Come on Paul, you know you want a piece of this.

THE Gauntlet is set Chet

Everyone's confusion is confusing me.  At this point - keep it simple.  No resonance.  Don't focus on the magnetic fields - focus on the space around and between the coils.  No radioactive stuff.  Just some coils - like SM said.  Like squeezing water through a hose.  If  the following squeeze can pick up the previous squeeze, then we can gain a significant efficience by squeezing and then squeezing the same stuff again so it is more compressed.

So, before we get carried away and shell out good coin that could be spent on gasoline, let's take two coils, magnet in each, and attempt to see our "effect" in the secondary.  Smae wire for primaries, same length, center coil 2 times diameter of outer coil, secondary on outer coil.  Look for the goods on the outer coil leads.  See below:

Howdy Y'all,

A centrifugal pump forms a vortex that you could use to push, or pull water through a hose.  I am using words and theories that you are not familiar with, ie Soft Particles.  Grumpy, you and I have the same exact thing in our minds, our brains are using different words to describe them.  I run into this all the time in international forums.  You and I are both right, we just explain the details with different words...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2008, 11:13:44 AM
You are on the correct path, Aleks!

Oh, yes, thanks. But it's what I'm persuading starting with my 'DC acoustic waves' hypothesis. The cool thing is that acoustics easily translates into aether plane (except wave polarization). Per hypothesis, acoustics directly can be used to create mass fields. Things are interrelated. Sonoluminescence shows that acoustics (inter-molecular/atomic kinetics) can be used to emit light.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2008, 03:04:48 PM
Everyone's confusion is confusing me.  At this point - keep it simple.  No resonance.  Don't focus on the magnetic fields - focus on the space around and between the coils.  No radioactive stuff.  Just some coils - like SM said.  Like squeezing water through a hose.  If  the following squeeze can pick up the previous squeeze, then we can gain a significant efficience by squeezing and then squeezing the same stuff again so it is more compressed.

So, before we get carried away and shell out good coin that could be spent on gasoline, let's take two coils, magnet in each, and attempt to see our "effect" in the secondary.  Smae wire for primaries, same length, center coil 2 times diameter of outer coil, secondary on outer coil.  Look for the goods on the outer coil leads.  See below:

I hear and obey the simplicity....

--P.

Grumpy made a great suggestion   a small cheap SAFE proof of concept    will there be any takers? Chet

Howdy Y'all,

I already made the materials purchase.  So, I am going forward with my original plan.  This device should scale well...

Blessed Be Brothers...

The magnetic cage is formed by the outside coil magnets with North facing up. The center coil magnet is South facing up. This smacks of Leedskalnin. There is a flux or magnetic field loop.

Since the outer coil is 1/2 the diam of the inner coil that gives us a ratio 2:1 turns on the outer primary and the inductor on the center coil.

Will wind 300 & 150 turns on cardboard tubes to control the diameter since the wire length is the same on both.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: z.monkey on July 16, 2008, 05:02:42 PM
Howdy Y'all,

A centrifugal pump forms a vortex that you could use to push, or pull water through a hose.  I am using words and theories that you are not familiar with, ie Soft Particles.  Grumpy, you and I have the same exact thing in our minds, our brains are using different words to describe them.  I run into this all the time in international forums.  You and I are both right, we just explain the details with different words...

Blessed Be Brothers...

I agree and encounter this too.  Alek's explanations sounded "odd" until I cross-referenced the terms and then they made much more sense.  All three are different perspectives of the same sort of thing.

Now, this Hubbard thing is not so hard with our new perspective.  The only tricky part, as with anything that is built and not "engineered" is that it has to be "tuned" to find the optimum operating parameters - which is tedious.

The simple parts list is as follows:

8-pole rotary spark gap with speed control - rpm range of 1000 to 3000 (got to start somewhere)
8 outer coils with primary and secondary
1 center coil with primary
magnetized cores for all coils
hv power supply at 8kv to 12 kv DC  (even 2k will show something)
something to mount it all on

Latest diagram:

awsome bro awsome....

hey did you all see the self runing water wheel  ;D

verry simple... device only a few moveing parts lol

check it out here   http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5176.0.html

now that is cool ...   just waite till he figures out the speed part of it  ;D ;D

ist

@Grumpy,
I am thinking 8 stun guns would be sufficient for a HV supply or a Blocking oscillator to 8 step ups fed by a mux? For a single channel to start with a 555 to a ignition coil or a flyback. I got all this.

I just had to go there.

--giantkiller.

I am miles from a bench and in envy.

Let's take two coils - set them up - hit them - and post pics of the effect for all to see (assuming we see anything), lest there be any "confusion", and then the scoffers, nay-sayers, and debunkers can pound sand.

Anyone see how close Dollard's / Naudin's TEM / LMD wave test is to this?  Hmm?  Sideways inductors?  Strange coincidence?  Magnetic field comes out the end, our field comes out the side.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

Absolutely Sir.

This also has the same artifacts as the Kunel devices.
Flux flow, flux squeezing, 2 coils. I have already done this but with rough tuning.

I have seen what this all does. But I am not done, yet.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2008, 06:57:04 PM
Anyone see how close Dollard's / Naudin's TEM / LMD wave test is to this?  Hmm?  Sideways inductors?  Strange coincidence?  Magnetic field comes out the end, our field comes out the side.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

This has been in my signature for a year now. ;)

--giantkiller.

@EM

You know how long we had worked on these Cook Coils. I have three pairs, each pair different but I think I will connect them together just to see "wattsup". lol

@all

Don't confuse the Cook coil to the Hubbard vertical coils. You can see the primary is wound from top to bottom, unlike the Cook coil that is about 3/5ths. The Cook Coils were not electro magnets, the Hubbard coils are. So why are they electro magnets if they are using two coils on an iron rod. A regular electro-magnet only needs one coil on an iron core. Well, consider that with one impulse on a primary your are producing two effects. One of a magnetic field on the iron rod and one of power transfer to the secondary coil. lol

I would venture that the 8 point distributor is being fed by a 1:100 ratio transformer (it is shown in one of the photos of the Hubbard device under the distributor and some meters). Feed 120 volts to this transformer and produce 12000 volts to the distributor. The distributor hits a vertical coil primary, makes an iron rod magnetic field imparted on the collector and also produces 120 volts on the secondary that is fed back to the 1:100 ratio transformer input that produces another 12000 volts to the distributor that then hits the next vertical coil, etc, etc. I don't think the center coil and the outer primary are connected in parallel as shown in Grumpy's diagram as there would be no advantage to this.

This way, you are producing a rotating magnetic field over the center collector and you are sending the impulse power back to the beginning of the circuit. If you do this at 60hz, that's 480 iterations per second, or 3600 rpm with 28800 iterations per minutes.

If the distributor is not to hit each of the 8 primaries in succession, testing other coil series or parallel schemes would be very easy. Opposing coils could be in parallel or series and the distributor could then hit each opposing pair twice per revolution thus doubling the primary strikes, or more per cycle. This device could be made in many many ways.

@wattsup,

Absolutely for the many, many ways. I was flipping the rat shack coils many ways over and around the iron wire bundles. This iron wire loop configuration represents 1of the 8 coil paths. I am thinking that without the air gap on the top and bottom of Grumpy''s unit you would need less voltage. In other words I would take the PMH I built and reproduce it 7 more times. Right now I could do a total of 4 with my inventory. Stand them up and cable tie a straight leg of each path together into a bundle of 4 for the center. Kunel.

So in looking at the test i did with the iron wire loop and the 2 coils I had 100' for 26awg for a primary. I had a 40' 24awg bifilar sense coil. The turns are very close to 2:1 and even closer to 2:1 with the difference in mass of the two wire gauges.

So while everybody else is going towards the high voltage I believe I have the next step for lower voltage. If I don't achieve the desired higher voltage effect I can guarantee I can show some way flipped out signatures. And have another cool desktop device. I have never tried iron in the conduction path of a stun gun circuit. And this step is set up for the eventual high voltage input parameter.

OMG. If you look at the Deyo ring you can see 3 rings of differing length paths. You could use 1 freq and have 3 different speed rotating fields zooming around.

--giantkiller.

Away from bench so,

Here is what I see to do.
Magnets on bottom part of loops, not shown.

--giantkiller.

Joke of the day inspired by following quote and taken from an unorthodox dictionary.

Quote from: innovation_station on July 16, 2008, 06:28:22 PM

now that is cool ...   just waite till he figures out the speed part of it  ;D ;D

Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

BARBI not digging your humour kind of condisending  IS this the time ?will this be it? from divine inspiration to working device [again]almost 100 yrs later? the table is set can this be it? a Feast? Chet

nice graphics GK,  and nice joke barbosi  LOL


@ all,

Pay attention, this is a new theory on the hubbard coil.    I've been thinking how do people arrive at these things?  What do they think about?  If the theory we come up with is too complex perhaps it's wrong.   Hubbard did not just throw together eight coils and the central coil together just for fun and realized something is happening, in other words, I believe people build something because they have an idea in mind, but the results might just surprise them.

So what did Hubbard have in mind?   Did he really think about the 8 electromagnets firing in sequence?   Maybe, but I think he might have had something simpler in mind.  Something more related to the knowledge of the day, something having to do with basic TRANSFORMER PRINCIPLES.

Here's the basics:

1)  Changing magnetic flux through a core wound with a coil will induce a voltage as  V = n d phi/dt, where 'n' is the number of turns of the coil

2)  Two coils on the same core, and overlapping, share all the same flux, so V1 = n1 dphi/dt,  V2 = n2 dphi/dt, and if we rearrange we get   V1 = V2 * (n1/n2)

3)  Transformers are assumed to conserve power so V1 * I1 = V2 *I2,  and based on the previous equations another equation can be derived  I1 = I2 * (n2/n1)

However,  if we have a third coil in proximity to the two closely coupled coils,  this coil will have a weaker coupling to the other two coils.   So,  consider this scenario based on the diagram below, assume n1=n2

1)  We energize L1 with a voltage V1, and since L2 is closely coupled, we have V1 = V2, and I1 = I2, we expect no losses in current or voltage if we hook these two coils together, which seems like a dumb thing to do cause it's so simple.

2)  However, now consider that the flux influences the center coil and induces a voltage in it.   The flux does not have to go through the core it can avoid it on the outside, but the magnetic flux will seek the path of least resistance, and it's this tendency that generates our free energy.  In other words we are letting the magnetic flux expand SIDEWAYS. 

3) The voltage generated in this coil we will use as the signal source for the first two coils hooked together, so now  we have a third voltage that tries to drive the two to resonate and amplify the voltage and current. 

So,  V1 = V2, but we are adding a V3, so V1 is actually V2+V3, but V2 is equal to V1 so it too must be V2+ V3, but we are adding V3  so we have V1 =V2 + V3 + V3, and so on, so do you see where this is going?   It's an amplifying loop, that stops when the resistance of the wires overpower the voltages and currents.

Anyway, this was a bit of hand waving for me, I'll try to do more rigorous calculations in the future...the important point is to remember that the sideway expanding flux might give rise to free energy.....

EM

P.S.  I encourage you guys to ponder this aspect of two coils tightly coupled so V1 = V2,  and then consider part of the flux partially penetrating a third coil that feeds it's voltage back to one of the first two.  It's one of those scenarios that boggles the mind, an iterative sort of a dynamic that takes some thought.  this could be what drove Hubbard to design his coil.  Or it wasn't,   LOL, but it's a damn good experiment to try out.  You see the center coil can resist the flux and the flux can go on the outside just fine  (but higher resistance) so the tendency of the flux to spread out is what really accounts for the extra energy if any.

I added the second diagram.  Notice the resistor R.  It has a voltage drop across it equal to V3, so then V1 = V2 is satisfied.   So when you hook a load to the output that is less then the value R,  the currents will INTENSIFY, to match the new conditions.   by the way, this is an AC system, flux needs to change else it doesn't work.  I'm getting all excited here folks,  any body seeing what I'm seeing?

Howdy Y'all,

EMDevices, hmmm... AC Transformer math?  Hmmm...  I think I have heard something about that...
That inductive coupling that you are examining is happening with all nine coils simultaneously.  It would be a very complex equation to figure out how energizing one coil effects all the others.  What matters is you add some energy to this thing and the ripples go everywhere...

Got Core?

Blessed Be Brothers...

Satisfaction of curiousity is the reward for unhindered adventurism.
I am building this next stage with my PMHs as the core. Thrown together? Absolutely. I got results everytime.
Only those who take chances see the rewards.

QuoteWhat matters is you add some energy to this thing and the ripples go everywhere...

Yep. Ring the bell. Keely tapped the energy off the water hammer. :o

We 'shall' be known by our works.

-giantkiller. The combinations are getting fewer and all advice is good.

I'd bet that the Cook coils are low power -  ;)

Hubbard device = much more power

Quote from: wattsup on July 17, 2008, 09:34:17 AM
I don't think the center coil and the outer primary are connected in parallel as shown in Grumpy's diagram as there would be no advantage to this.

rotating magnetic field

This device could be made in many many ways.

Make it like I said to make it and stop screwing around with it.  Pulsing the center at the same time as the the outer coil is required.  This acauses the squeeze and the divergence across the outer coils - this is the red arrow in my diagram and is the same for every outer coil.  Call it a dipole if it helps you sleep at night.

Forget rotating magnetic fields - this is a little different and not hindered by laws that hinder magnetic fields.

All devices can be made several ways but they all have laws or rules that must be adheared to.

Now get to winding.

Howdy EMDevices,

So are you starting to see how the magnetic forces spins around the central core?  Spin isn't the right word maybe.  Roll might be a better term.  I have been thinking that this is like an electrical helical screw pump, otherwise known as a supercharger.  There is an 90 degree phase difference between the points where each core is connected.  Then also there is the propagation of the wave through each coil.  Turn the timebase of your mental oscilloscope down and watch the wave propagate down each coil and into the next coil, ad infinitum.  Watch the wave mix perfectly at the one cycle point (4 coils down).  Watch the compound/complex interaction that the peripheral coils have on the central coil while their phased charges are rolling around it.  This device is supergenious, far beyond Hubbard.

I have a theory, none of you will like it.  Hubbard supposedly received this design as an Angelic Vision.  I know that Advanced Humans (Ascended Masters), Angels, and Archangels are all space faring creatures.  They have ships, and way cool technology.  The reason that Hubbard got this technology were "aliens" or other space faring creatures that had a benevolent interest in mankind.  They knew that this device couldn't be utilized effectively at the time that they gave it to Hubbard.  But they knew that there would be an urban legend about that guy with a free energy thingy.  So they gave him a simplified plan for a miniature version of their electrogravity engine.  Think about it,  eight primary core secondary coils are eight vectors of thrust, infinite if modulate them.  The central core is supporting the main inertia canceling device.

The Hubbard Coil is a scale model of a UFO engine!

That's pretty heavy, er, uh, antiheavy...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: EMdevices on July 17, 2008, 09:32:14 PM
nice graphics GK,  and nice joke barbosi  LOL


@ all,

Pay attention, this is a new theory on the hubbard coil.    I've been thinking how do people arrive at these things?  What do they think about?  If the theory we come up with is too complex perhaps it's wrong.   Hubbard did not just throw together eight coils and the central coil together just for fun and realized something is happening, in other words, I believe people build something because they have an idea in mind, but the results might just surprise them.

So what did Hubbard have in mind?   Did he really think about the 8 electromagnets firing in sequence?   Maybe, but I think he might have had something simpler in mind.  Something more related to the knowledge of the day, something having to do with basic TRANSFORMER PRINCIPLES.

Here's the basics:

1)  Changing magnetic flux through a core wound with a coil will induce a voltage as  V = n d phi/dt, where 'n' is the number of turns of the coil

2)  Two coils on the same core, and overlapping, share all the same flux, so V1 = n1 dphi/dt,  V2 = n2 dphi/dt, and if we rearrange we get   V1 = V2 * (n1/n2)

3)  Transformers are assumed to conserve power so V1 * I1 = V2 *I2,  and based on the previous equations another equation can be derived  I1 = I2 * (n2/n1)

However,  if we have a third coil in proximity to the two closely coupled coils,  this coil will have a weaker coupling to the other two coils.   So,  consider this scenario based on the diagram below, assume n1=n2

1)  We energize L1 with a voltage V1, and since L2 is closely coupled, we have V1 = V2, and I1 = I2, we expect no losses in current or voltage if we hook these two coils together, which seems like a dumb thing to do cause it's so simple.

2)  However, now consider that the flux influences the center coil and induces a voltage in it.   The flux does not have to go through the core it can avoid it on the outside, but the magnetic flux will seek the path of least resistance, and it's this tendency that generates our free energy.  In other words we are letting the magnetic flux expand SIDEWAYS. 

3) The voltage generated in this coil we will use as the signal source for the first two coils hooked together, so now  we have a third voltage that tries to drive the two to resonate and amplify the voltage and current. 

So,  V1 = V2, but we are adding a V3, so V1 is actually V2+V3, but V2 is equal to V1 so it too must be V2+ V3, but we are adding V3  so we have V1 =V2 + V3 + V3, and so on, so do you see where this is going?   It's an amplifying loop, that stops when the resistance of the wires overpower the voltages and currents.

Anyway, this was a bit of hand waving for me, I'll try to do more rigorous calculations in the future...the important point is to remember that the sideway expanding flux might give rise to free energy.....

EM

P.S.  I encourage you guys to ponder this aspect of two coils tightly coupled so V1 = V2,  and then consider part of the flux partially penetrating a third coil that feeds it's voltage back to one of the first two.  It's one of those scenarios that boggles the mind, an iterative sort of a dynamic that takes some thought.  this could be what drove Hubbard to design his coil.  Or it wasn't,   LOL, but it's a damn good experiment to try out.  You see the center coil can resist the flux and the flux can go on the outside just fine  (but higher resistance) so the tendency of the flux to spread out is what really accounts for the extra energy if any.

I added the second diagram.  Notice the resistor R.  It has a voltage drop across it equal to V3, so then V1 = V2 is satisfied.   So when you hook a load to the output that is less then the value R,  the currents will INTENSIFY, to match the new conditions.   by the way, this is an AC system, flux needs to change else it doesn't work.  I'm getting all excited here folks,  any body seeing what I'm seeing?

@ all


The core material is the let down and any iron or ferrite based core will eventaully saturate and close the loop resulting in a loss of momentum in the amplifying process. Air cores are needed but this calls for high voltage working to develop the power as Tesla demonstrates. Do the exercise in a vacuum and results should change.

I see it matters little how the amplification is achieved, heat generation is the killer and represents massive power loss from the system and of course burnt fingers in the process1 Burn out will occur before a self-sustaining situation is reached through amplification. I think SM may have got closer than others in this and managed to sustain his inbuilt power supply by feedback long enough to impress the punters.

Hoppy

Howdy Hoppy,

I have to disagree with you.  This device is a current generator that operates below 500 Hertz.  Now if you want to build a generator that produces a bizillon volts, like Tesla, then air coils are the way to go.  But this is a current generator, the iron cores slow down the electromagnetic interactions with their large permeability.  This allows large currents to form in the relatively sluggish electromagnetic interactions.  I thought we already covered this...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 18, 2008, 08:40:47 AM
Howdy Hoppy,

I have to disagree with you.  This device is a current generator that operates below 500 Hertz.  Now if you want to build a generator that produces a bizillon volts, like Tesla, then air coils are the way to go.  But this is a current generator, the iron cores slow down the electromagnetic interactions with their large permeability.  This allows large currents to form in the relatively sluggish electromagnetic interactions.  I thought we already covered this...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Hi z.monkey

Agreed, but where's the proof it generated and he could control any appreciable or useable output and was not just what EM thinks is possible  when he says:  "So what did Hubbard have in mind?   Did he really think about the 8 electromagnets firing in sequence?   Maybe, but I think he might have had something simpler in mind.  Something more related to the knowledge of the day, something having to do with basic TRANSFORMER PRINCIPLES."

I suggest that SM may have found a way of controlling the feedback loop to his internal TPU PSU, possibly by some form of mechanical pulsing which gives rise to the reported 'rocking' motion.

Hoppy

Howdy Hoppy,

Well there are a lot of stories, and legends about what Hubbard did.  I don't think that he understood the device himself.  In one story he deferred a question stating that he needed to hire an electrician.  These stories include the type of output power, and the physical construction of the core and coils.  But, unfortunately they do not include a legible schematic diagram describing the way the coils are connected, and how power is applied to them.  Most of the available information is written by laymen, reporters and such.  All this makes this thing very alluring because it has legendary status but the details are unknown.  This is the most incredible puzzle.

I think that I have solved the puzzle.  Look at these threads.

Soft Particle Physics
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4255.0.html

Infinity Coil
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5144.0/topicseen.html

Also, read this (Hubbard Coil) whole thread...

Blessed Be Brother...

Hi z. monkey

Thanks for the links. I have already read these with much interest and your soft particle theory is very thought provoking.

One thing I consider in the quest to tap 'free energy' is the stability of matter to hold form. I think about the energy required to upset the balance and allow aetheric energy to enter our various TPU's, Bedini devices etc. My belief is that in nature power is needed to generate greater power and therefore any device based on an inductive coil that lacks a power supply to start the amplification process is only able to generate the energy imparted by the earths magnetic field or the passing of a material with magnetic properties. I therefore see it as futile to experiment with coil systems that cannot be energised by considerable levels of power. This is why I am convinced that SM used a power supply of considerable capacity to start his TPU operation. He may well have used the Hubbard coil as a basis but equally any of the many coil configurations available in patents may have helped him or whoever to design the devices he has demonstrated on video.

The point has already been made in other threads that the TPU's demonstrated by SM or Hubbard come to that, do not give the appearance that they are sophisticated devices that are carefully engineered and constructed, rather devices that could be built in an average workshop by any reasonably experienced electronics hobbyist. At this present point in time, almost any theory or conjecture is as viable as another in the lack of any firm information about the construction of TPU's and Hubbard Coils.

I think we also need to consider that in the early days of developments in the field of electricity, there were people as on this forum today who experimented for knowledge and a few like Hubbard who perhaps convinced themeselves and those in their presence or influence, that they had produced something special and even mysical from their experiments which today could probably be easily explained were it not for the absence of good solid authoratative documentation and reporting.

Hoppy

You are all over-complicating things. 

Howdy Grumpy,

On the contrary my device is the most simple presented here...

What is complicated is the understanding of the compound/complex wave generated in the core...

Blessed Be Brothers...

i aint winding another damn coil........

i have literly over 100 coils....now
this unit is plused 1 polarity inside center coil and outside coils are plused other polarity or posibally same polarity {spliting the pos so to speek }so they create a vortex
of eather positive feedback or negitive feed back  or well   build it play and learn

i have not built studyied on anything on this device but it must be simple in operation

we are dealing with a magnetic feed back loop just like gk said

same as thanes  self accelerating motor  but the coils are placed most likely at a proper distance from the center coil


HEY GOT A QUESTION

HAVE ANY OF YOU GUYS EVER REVERSE ENGINEERED A UFO PORPULATION SYSTEM WITH OUT KNOWING??

LOL

ist

@z.monkey...    i got something just a weeeee simpler  but you all are a stones throw away and i anit the guy that is gonna tell ya how to do it 

Quote from: innovation_station on July 18, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
HAVE ANY OF YOU GUYS EVER REVERSE ENGINEERED A UFO PROPULATION SYSTEM WITH OUT KNOWING??

Howdy InnovationStation,

I'll let you know if the Infinity Coil levitates...  That would be cool...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 18, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
Howdy InnovationStation,

I'll let you know if the Infinity Coil levitates...  That would be cool...

Blessed Be Brothers...

cool stuff 

well i got your blast off figured .....

;D ;D

ist

ever see a large  cap discharged super fast to a coil.....

;)  hummmm....

@Grumpy, thanks. I will not add any complication to this. I can see my marching orders very clearly. I will have a test come the farthest by Monday. Gotta get some rod magnets or I can split cabinets magets. These will fit in the rat shack spools. As far as the center goes I will uses multiple around the inside. Would be nice to use a ring magnet like Marco has shown. Or do we need the flux to break into seperate paths as in a matching outer and center magnet pair?

As far as a wave goes...
Lets do a parallel analysis.

The compression wave is like an offset cam. And where has anybody seen any academic expression of this? And in any product?
The highest point of compression looks like the running of a Wankle engine (Mazda). Now in this new Hubbard / Deyo configuration (there are slight differences) there is a smooth roll and compression as the 500hz would do. But lets go above 40khz. Things get snappy. There are high speed emissions. The GK4 had these and also an iron core that got magnetized.

The field compression smacks of Kunel. And when a coil and center are pulsed the flux is squeezed between the two but there is an over flow to the forward and aft coils.

The resonant rise, bell shaped envelope scope shot showed me something new to play with. Definately something external. I am all over this this weekend.

The internal magnets give an unending supply of flux. Using just iron causes the need to power for flux. I would love to see the magnetic signature of the Hubbard and Deyo coils running. Singerxyz used an EGA monitor. I got one sitting in the garage just for this.

This weekend is available for this build. Stuck at work this friday. :P

The field in the center never gets a chance to diminish while the sequenial outer coils push against or squeeze the resultant field of each new relationship.

http://www.uic.nnov.ru/~kovy2/conf_in.htm Here is the answer.

We are done, boys.
http://searleffect.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project163.html
http://www.davidhamel.com/  His took off vertically also!

Same thing across all these links. All else is futile.

And why do UFOs have spinning lights on the bottom of the craft? Is dark in space? Think about that! We are being given and example. And which direction do the lights all spin? The ships don't spin! What The Flip is going on?

Searle, Hubbard, Deyo, Brown, Hamel, Leedskalnin. Betcha ED had loops around the round motor housing. The rusty one with the funny fan plates on the side.

@z.monkey,
I am gonna build me one of these!
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D5052.0%3Battach%3D24910&hash=e6b93a2333063b9b589ad91519e0c3c98e979329)

--giantkiller. This incorporates safety by dissemination. You guys have been great!

p.s. Where the Hell have I've been?

Howdy GiantKiller,

Nice set of electrogravity links, my favorite!
The future is so bright I gotta wear shades...

Blessed Be Brothers...

And this one is really kick butt!

It looks the iron wire is the outer ring. If this is so then as each coil field builds the outer loop is only catching one pole of the smaller coils. Pulsed DC.

--giantkiller.

The smaller coils are bifilar. One set to maintain the polarity and the other set to pulse. The outer loop listens or catches the energy anomaly.

--giantkiller.

I think I'll take a vacation.

Grumpy Vacation ? is that good or bad for this thread? your input seems VERY important   Chet

Quote from: giantkiller on July 18, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
And this one is really kick butt!

It looks the iron wire is the outer ring. If this is so then as each coil field builds the outer loop is only catching one pole of the smaller coils. Pulsed DC.

--giantkiller.

In reality this nice setup is 18 tooth 3.5" stator you can find inside of older floppy drives ... but OK - anyway better than in color graph ;-)
I have anoyher question:
Many speakings about gyroscopic effect (SM TPO videos)
Any existing motionless device provides gyroscopic effect? Please dont bluff - show only real things ;-)

Someone published his personal correspondence within SM where he told something like that:
We have spent $10k for Neodymium magnets ...
But mostly you all in this forum stubbornly beating off every even modest idea to use magnets.
Why?
Regards,
Khabe

Quote from: khabe on July 19, 2008, 09:15:30 AM
But mostly you all in this forum stubbornly beating off every even modest idea to use magnets.

I don't know. ;) Magnets are no worse than anything else out there - as long as you can modulate their flux without investing energy proportionally. Probably, permanent magnets can provide a bigger arm in comparison to current-induced electro-magnetic field. Think magnetostriction - it's a clearest example of flux modulation.

Tired to find someting about gyroscopic effect / rotating magnetic field,
My own experiments gave no results despite BLDC motors are very familiar for me,
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3792/is_200607/ai_n17184544
also fighting naives and sceptics
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60420

khabe

Quote from: khabe on July 19, 2008, 10:11:42 AM
Tired to find someting about gyroscopic effect / rotating magnetic field,
My own experiments gave no results despite BLDC motors are very familiar for me,
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3792/is_200607/ai_n17184544
also fighting naives and sceptics
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60420

khabe

Did you mean me?
I use magnets. I just incorporate the flux holding in the iron wire like Leedskalnin said. Stretchable magnets or create pathways for the flux to permiate or run through.

@also
Now don't go running off on a tangient because someone needs a break.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: giantkiller on July 19, 2008, 01:26:42 PM
Did you mean me?
I use magnets. I just incorporate the flux holding in the iron wire like Leedskalnin said. Stretchable magnets or create pathways for the flux to permiate or run through.

@also
Now don't go running off on a tangient because someone needs a break.

--giantkiller.

About magnets I did not mean you,  but about `gyroscopic effect of spinning magnetic field` - yes I did,
Where to find more info about? At least one working device - have you seen?
Regards,
Khabe

Quote from: khabe on July 19, 2008, 03:06:57 PM

About magnets I did not mean you,  but about `gyroscopic effect of spinning magnetic field` - yes I did,
Where to find more info about? At least one working device - have you seen?
Regards,
Khabe

The men in the previous links is all we have to go on. Next step is to try. Whether it is a gamble or not. We must try. Read those previous links.

I am always willing to take the next step. Regardless. I do not like what I see going on in the world just as much as anybody else. But if there is no leap of Faith then there is only jumping off of bridges because someone else tells you to.

--giantkiller.

I do not satirise, just interested about - any real experiment about motionless gyroscope effect wheres moment of inertia ->angular momentum - done or not?
Im very familiar with rotating magneic fields, I have tried used what ever freq and even huge power - unfortunately no results. What causes mentioned effect? Or ... full story is just bluff?
When SM speaking about on the videos then at least for me *this is primary from where to start*. At least just with coils, like most of members try - it is not possible, you can wrap and wind your wires how you ever like - no gyroscopic effect!
Thats why Im asking. You want to replicate SM TPU - you have to find out how to get this effect (without flywheel).
I want to believe that its possible but sooner its not - as closer to investigate these numbers of "correspondences" with SM - as stonger feeling - fraud.
But anyway very interesting ;-)
Khabe

Quote from: khabe on July 19, 2008, 04:37:28 PMyou can wrap and wind your wires how you ever like - no gyroscopic effect!

The answer is simple - magnetostriction. You can cause any kind of vibratory effects with it, even those that can be called "gyroscopic" - you can squeeze the magnetostrictive material in cyclic manner around circumference and you'll create that gyroscopic effect. The center of the object won't move, of course, but you'll surely feel the ring "breathing".

Are you trying to speak about physics?  Magnetostriction is a property of ferromagnetic materials - but you are building using non ferrous materials ;-)
When magnetostriction then fractional change in length as the magnetization of the material increases from zero to the saturation value, yes, you can build sensors but not much more.

Im speaking about feelable gyroscopic effect - not about sensors.
Khabe

Quote from: khabe on July 19, 2008, 05:36:31 PM
Are you trying to speak about physics?  Magnetostriction is a property of ferromagnetic materials - but you are building using non ferrous materials ;-)
When magnetostriction then fractional change in length as the magnetization of the material increases from zero to the saturation value, yes, you can build sensors but not much more.

Im speaking about feelable gyroscopic effect - not about sensors.
Khabe

You are out of the topic it seems. Magnetostriction can change the size of certain materials up to 4% of their initial size. It's feelable.

Im hoped in  ?Steven Mark?s TPU devices? - wheres members do not want to use ferromagnetic materials and permanent magnets - both ineluctable when speaking about Magnetostriction.
OK - Hubbard coils - but anyway under  ?Steven Mark?s TPU devices?  where members bullheadedly steering away from ferromagnetic materials and permanent magnets.
Thats because Im asking. How most of members can get any gyroscopic effect when no ferrous and no magnets - just only enmeshed-jumbled wires.
When videos are authentic as well as published correspondence of some of members - then Gyroscopic effect is primary for me.
If I put myself to the shoes of SM - then cut-off any PTU - I know exact from what places to cut to not betray my sectrets ;-) What you hoped to see? Or hoped he (SM) stupid?
My English is poor but I hope you understand me - I do not deride - Im just trying to carry out my own vision and this vision based on the Gyroscopic effect, this is starting point of TPU at least for me.
Hereby my question:
Any known device in the world where handy felt gyroscopic effect with no flywheel? Working device, please!
Regards,
khabe

I speak these words in earnest kindess and open compassion:
In the videos when the TPUs are moved there is a slight effect. They are moved horizontally and it is claimed gyroscopy is present. They are all moved at the same speed. Why so careful? How many people in vids did this test and who? Grab one and swing it around!

In this arena anything is plausible. If you can ask questions and state valid processes or theories, you can build and prove to yourself. Everybody has that right. I don't know who else is building and I didn't want to play the Pied Piper here. If I see a similarity in what someone mentions, like EMDevices did here, in concert with what the League of Extraordinary Men of our past have shown then I am all over that. It is a form of copyiing, yes. But when you compare over 5 triilion debt ridden consumers on this planet since the early 1900s against a handful, and I do mean 5, that have shown extraordinary processes we don't have time for guessing games.

Dale Pond even finds this out in his experimenting with the Keely engine. Alot of theories went into the initial tests. But he plays with it and then 'BAM!'. The Water hammer effect creates powerful microwave emmissions. Nobody knew this from looking at pictures. Nobody, my friends.

Theory said the Titanic wouldn't sink. Application stated otherwise.

--giantkiller. The addiction of capitalistic swinehood is encircling the globe. Are you immune?

"Inertia" is a side effect of a "change" propagating through the meduim - call it the ether, aether, space/time, void, potential, scalar field, or whatever.

This propagation occurs when matter moves (this motion is by propagation) or when a changing is propagated.

For example, when you wave your hand through the air or water, the air or water (this is the medium that you are changing) keeps moving after your hand is removed.

If the "inertia" effect of the TPU was "magnetic", then why isn't this experienced in non-mechanical magnetic devices?  Because it is not a magnetic phenomenon.  "Inertia" is associated with moving masses.  See, when you move an object, you are changing the "medium" (aether or whatever), hence the inertial effect.

Now suppose you change the medium without moving an object to do it...like those electrostatic air cleaner things that only have charge plates and no moving parts.

Yeah...
Alex speaks:  The answer is simple - magnetostriction,
and yes - true - the only known gyroscopic effect ...
My knowledge speaks that magnetostriction possible only when ferromagnetic materials and magnetostriction devices included always pm magnet,
At that SM told in published this forum letter : we have spent $10k for neodymium magnets ...
Now you are telling - no ferrous! No magnets!
Who told that no? You think? OK, I respect your opinion but why you dont respekt me?
I dont understand why such standoffish mentality - Im trying to understand this principle like you, is it bad when I do opine my vision? Have monitored more than year your discussions about,
- replicated! ...uncovered! ...complete information! .... undrestood! ...
Please forgive but WHERE; WHEN and HOW???? Perhaps Im stupid but I dont see not any working units.
I have read lot of strange things - every new "Uncovered-Man" starts to speak like Saint-Petrus, like Prophet from Pible ... Is it playhouse, like Theatre?
And after some weeks - nothing!
Regards,
khabe

Howdy Y'all,

The Infinity Core is wound.  All I have to do is connect the wires and crank it up.  I have about 28 hours of labor in it at this point.  This could be improved considerably if I had a Power Miter Box and a solenoid winder.  Yeah I did all the machine work with a hack saw and a file.  All the windings were done by hand, all 18 of them.  I documented the build in the Infinity Coil thread.  The wound coil weights 17 pounds.

Free Energy?  "Make it so" -JLP

Got Transformer?

Blessed Be Brothers...

Z WOW you don't mess around!! she's a beauty!!  Now the good stuff  Chet

Find the right frequency and PFFFFFTTT!

Seriously, you be careful. There is an awful lot of copper there. You got transformer to drive that? I would bet so.

Someone that goes to the bench with vision! So I take it you are going to use magnetize steel as core flux?

I am still at the mill grinding out windings.

--giantkiller.

Howdy GiantKiller,

This coil is not going to be driven.  We are going to give it a pulse of DC to start it.  The idea here is the when you apply direct current to the coils in a loop you are going to magnetize the cores.  Just a static magnetic field.  All the cores are saturated with a static magnetic field.  One second later you release the DC current.  All the coils immediately self discharge sending ripples of energy around the infinite loop. At first this is chaos, but after a few moments the energy will self organize and the physical properties of the coil configuration will cause the energy to ring in the circuit at a specific frequency.  EMD, Sort of like ringing a bell.  The physical properties of the cores and coils will cause this circuit to seek self resonance.  This starts the reaction in the infinity coil.  There are more subtle forces that keep it going ad infinitum...

Here is a new pic of the wired core...

Blessed Be Brothers...

that's a beautiful description  (and build)  z.monkey,  good job!

http://rifehealth.com/_wsn/page2.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM&feature=related
And this runs itself..

Coral Castle: Magnetic Compression in the offset center.
Same action as Bedini, Muller.

@z.monkey,
watch your input volt meter. I saw -1500dc when effect was present.

--giantkiller.

Needs 2 more coils and structural supports. currently held by magnets.
outer coils are 40' ea. of bifilar steel & copper.
center coil will be 40' copper 2x diam of outer.

--giantkiller.

Howdy GiantKiller,

Whoa!  It looks just like the 3D image you made a week or so ago.  I had been thinking about making a iron filing and epoxy slug core in the shape of your green wires.  Are the green wires ferrous?  That is pretty cool!

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: khabe on July 20, 2008, 01:00:07 PM
Yeah...
Alex speaks:  The answer is simple - magnetostriction,
and yes - true - the only known gyroscopic effect ...
My knowledge speaks that magnetostriction possible only when ferromagnetic materials and magnetostriction devices included always pm magnet,
At that SM told in published this forum letter : we have spent $10k for neodymium magnets ...

Magnetostriction is not the only known source of a gyroscopic effect.

                             
Magnetostriction:
Linear effect          deforms length and twist both directions with alternating the energy applied   requires magnetic bias

Electrostriction:
Quadrature effect    deforms height and width in one direction only with alternating energy applied    requires magnetic bias

Basically, Electrostriction can be squeezed around a ring. There are many ideas that seem to fit the SM descriptions. Pursue the one that seems best to you.

Yeah, nice setup using garden hardware, chainlink fence made from at my home, Unfortunately this zinc-coated (+PVC) steel wire has very  wrong magnetic properties as core. Iron powder, even with epoxy, is much better (when reduced iron and used differnt fractions), but ...
... I dont know - is it too expensive for OU folk  - I have bought many years total huge quantity:
http://www.cwsbytemark.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=206&zenid=421befllb3vvhb1cqt8cputvu2
I use most of all Micrometals mix 26  because material properties most close to my needs  (especially AL mH/Sq.N), but sometimes high flux cores too,
http://www.cwsbytemark.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=206_217
for example T520  - huge core! - OD-5.2", ID-3.08", h-0.8
This material is easy to gut, to mill, turn on the lathe, drilling holes ... I have exelent CNC mill now but before I did all with Sherline mill + rotary table,
The best tools for cut it are carbide bits, mostly they have 1/8 shank:
Like Irwin 1/8" Carbide Ceramic Tile Drill Bits - Rotozip eBay Item number: 360071718108 - when bigger cuts and holes
Like 1.90mm carbide router burrs, diamond cut   Item number: 180167291446 when smaller things,
Its not like Ferrite - much more softer.
All coming grinding/dust  I do collect and use later when what ever ideas to try  - mixed with epoxy and molded ...
Regards,
khabe

Quote from: BEP on July 22, 2008, 07:39:45 AM
Magnetostriction is not the only known source of a gyroscopic effect.

                             
Magnetostriction:
Linear effect          deforms length and twist both directions with alternating the energy applied   requires magnetic bias

Electrostriction:
Quadrature effect    deforms height and width in one direction only with alternating energy applied    requires magnetic bias

Basically, Electrostriction can be squeezed around a ring. There are many ideas that seem to fit the SM descriptions. Pursue the one that seems best to you.

You right -> my poor english + I was angry ;-)  =  caused this misunderstanding - I tried to tell that when we are speaking about SM TPU - then the only known source of a gyroscopic effect,
(assumed that SM TPO does not consist flywheels or even nothing what associates with ?pieso?) But Electrostriction is not "feelable" (my own therm?) by human hands.
Because I started with my question: any known and successfully done experiment wheres no gyro wheels, where handy felt gyroskopic effect ...
Nothing more,
khabe

nice build GK,  you probably already thought of this, but squizing those loops inward will strengthen the mag field somewhat, or else it can be a great tunning mechanism.


@all,

Experimental Results:     I hooked up a coil to a variable capacitor and started tunning.     The coil has about 40 turns and it's wound on a plastic piece with a diameter of 10 cm perhaps.  The coil is wound in a single layer and it's height is about 1.5 cm or so.   Anyway,  around this I have a toroidal winding made with lamp cord, so it has two conductors, however, I connect the conductors in series.   Now here's the interesting part.    I was watching on the scope to see if I tune in any unsual stations or resonance, and it appears I am, as I turn the variable capacitor there is a frequency always present that changes.  This seemed puzling to me, what sets up the oscillations I thought?   Then zooming out, I noticed they start suddenly and decay away  (max voltage at start point about 0.25 volts). Almost as if an impulse triggers the oscillations, which ofcourse varry in frequency depending on the variable capacitance.  Then zooming out some more I notice the pattern repeats, every 8.3 ms, which implies every 120 Hz.   So an impulse every 120 Hz triggers and pumps my resonant tank. Isn't that interesting.      Something is causing these impulses and triggering the oscillations of my tank circuit, (loop antenna and capacitor) and it appears to be the second harmonic of the 60 Hz power grid, but what is it?    Can somebody else do this simple experiment and see if they see the same thing?   I'm not sure where it's comming from, the power lines in my community are underground and I even performed this experiment with all the lights off in the house.  Right now I'm thinking if I can get that much voltage, well with a bit of engineering I should be able to pull energy right out of the thin "air"    LOL

Howdy Y'all,

EMDevices, 60 Hz is everywhere, even with the lights off.  It is more than the AC wires it is the earth resonating with the AC distribution grid.  When I was experimenting with the Soft Particle Reactor I noticed this.  I have a neon lamp and a florescent lamp above my bench.  The neon lamp made sharp noise that had a decaying ring wave form.  I turn that off the interference goes away.  Then I had a small amplitude sine wave interference.  When I turned off the florescent lamp that went away, almost.  There was still a tiny 60 Hz sinewave in my wave form which was probably the power strip and a few other things still attached to AC on my bench.  You take take parasitic power off the grid with a 60 Hz tank.  Big iron inductor and a cap to make the circuit resonate at 60 Hz...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: BEP on July 22, 2008, 07:39:45 AM
Magnetostriction:
Linear effect          deforms length and twist both directions with alternating the energy applied   requires magnetic bias
Electrostriction:
Quadrature effect    deforms height and width in one direction only with alternating energy applied    requires magnetic bias

I consider both the be pretty similar. EM phenomena is after all both electro and magnetic, not separate phenomena.

eh GK


looks like the PMH on the blue pill.... 8)

awsome job

should we expect TPU LEGOS IN WALMART SOON   :D   

the do it yourself KIT lol

ist

Hi,
@EMD,
Yes, I can push those vertical iron wire segments / PMH closer. Or reposition with steel keepers. Anything to keep the flux in.

@all,
The device as is stands there is held in placed by magnetization.

So,
I have distance between the center and the outers,
The segments are held in place magnetically,
And there are only 4.
Should this current setup get to where it wants to be and the parameters exceed the environment, this device will wobble out of balance and collapse. 8)
I can add 4 more iron wire / PMH loops in the future.

No resonance, apply pulsed DC / power for a second to a pair of the center and outer coil, and then release, measure by the scope,

On previous youtubes I show the signal was jerking at half second intervals. I now know that was wrong. When the rising edge hit that is when I got the spike. But, I was only looking at the effect on the scope. The signal additively wanted to advance and grow. The continuation of the applied DC damped or squashed the oncoming pervaenace of the effect or event. Alas, my event was shorter than reality of the progression of the circuit.

So that is where the operation of this unit comes in. It should vibrate off of physical balance. ;D

When I feel secure that this build can handle the greater event I will strengthen it with nylon cable ties. This includes low temperature meltdown as safety shutoff for later achievement.

The GK4 achieved this event but due the high speed pulses would super kick and dimish within microseconds. No sustain.

--giantkiller. One step over the line and this beacon will shine.

Quote from: giantkiller on July 22, 2008, 11:17:16 AMthis beacon will shine.

Well, if it works, it is going to be a good shape for historical monument ;) Simple

I still consider electrostriction a strong contender because there was an SM comment about piezos, the shape change is the same for either polarity of manetic or electric applied and it can occupy a section of a ring without affecting the rest of the ring. As far as being not feelable, neither is a transformer unless it is heavily loaded or cross wired. After all, piezo effect is a facet of electrostriction. Just not part of a TPU...IMO. Piezo shape change can be different for polarity applied. Not the way to produce DC. At least not that I can see.

Leedskalnin & Kunel show those magnetorestriction properties of the coil I posted. There are too many variables to go off on one's own trying to figure something out. A place for the flux to be housed and a method to constrict it.
Leedskalnin shows magnetorestriction in the generator picture I posted. I am going Castle Coral this fall. I am taking a stick, duct tape, string, a compass, and a neo-mag.

The men before us accomplished the things of our wildest dreams. We simply post those dreams still. Kinda like having a chain saw in a jello factory. It doesn't cut it. Alot of noise though. LOL. Hard journey, eh?

If you look at the 3 layer spinners that Hamel documented you can see the rotational compression happening around each circumferal outside magnetic rings. Now that this apparent I look at his other statements with more analysis. The first unit he made shot up into the night sky. He and his wife did not see where it landed. Sounds like Searle, Deyo, Brown.

Good advice and good tries are what it is all about.
I wind the center coil tonight. Then tests if time permits. Life happens.

--giantkiller.

A lot of movies lately... "Jumper", "The Prestige". A lot of inspiration for you guys.

Quote from: BEP on July 22, 2008, 01:14:19 PMPiezo shape change can be different for polarity applied. Not the way to produce DC. At least not that I can see.

Consider acoustical standing wave created in piezo element (near its edges) - it may produce DC I think (but this is only a speculation from my side).

Bit back by history then very serious and hot disputes about every kind of chicken feed like whats type of capacitor, is it diode or not, etg.
Added picture I made by memory:    what are these boxes?
Why so small attention? I remember someone asked and another told that ... ah, it does not matter ... some kind of plastic racks ...
I dont think so.
In published correspondence with SM we can read very different things, as far as warm recomendations to use tube electronics instead of what we see on the video.
Even when those letters are authentics - not clear what is disinformation, whats is bluff or truth, has someone revised, added or censored. The only useful thing is video and belief that it was not fake.
By my opinion the shape, how it looks like, it does not matter - even SM had various, because giantkiller?s vision could be good as well,
I dont want to barge in  but what is your opinion about mentioned boxes?
khabe

Quote from: Loner on July 22, 2008, 04:38:49 PM
As to those "Boxes", I am fairly certain that one, and possibly two, contain the 9V battery used to start the "System"
As to what is in the others, that is open to any speculation.  I have theories, but they are worthless without facts to
back them up, and I don't want to appear any more foolish than I already do.

Art.

They may have small chokes there  ;)

Well I don't want to stray to far into no man's land but we were shown small black video transformers as a clue. And then a string of them. Bend them in a circle and we are at where we should've been then. Here, the Hubbard coil and our very attempts.

How many ya got there? 4? 8)

There was so much to investigate at the time and I had alot to learn, then boil it all down to a few operational patterns. We are here. Let's not dig up detail where the pattern is enough to go on. Wise words of Loner's. Otherwise, the California fires appetite pales in comparison with the potential lost time.

To be fair, I am on a course of action to match up with the operational patterns of this technology. The subsets of this Hubbard device have appeared in front of me. Even if it isn't the end zone I cannot give up like many of you, whether you build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

--giantkiller. This could go awry if we choose. I choose to stay on track.

Why not magnets and circuits ? I like some kind of magnetic circuit like "gates" idea. When videos then SM talking about limited time because unit comes too hot and will be self-destroyed.
In years he built and demonstrated there was no high temp Neodymium magnets like today (M,H,SH  etg), was just N28...N35 - normal grade where magnetic properties will be lost forever when temperature exceed 80C degrees, even it was 70C degrees this time if I remember correctly.
khabe

Quote from: giantkiller on July 22, 2008, 04:57:04 PM
Even if it isn't the end zone. I cannot give up like many of you. Whether you build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

Even if it isn't the end zone. And like many of you, I cannot give up whether we build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

Quote from: giantkiller on July 22, 2008, 04:57:04 PM
Well I don't want to stray to far into no man's land but we were shown small black video transformers as a clue. And then a string of them. Bend them in a circle and we are at where we should've been then. Here, the Hubbard coil and our very attempts.

How many ya got there? 4? 8)

There was so much to investigate at the time and I had alot to learn, then boil it all down to a few operational patterns. We are here. Let's not dig up detail where the pattern is enough to go on. Wise words of Loner's. Otherwise, the California fires appetite pales in comparison with the potential lost time.

To be fair, I am on a course of action to match up with the operational patterns of this technology. The subsets of this Hubbard device have appeared in front of me. Even if it isn't the end zone I cannot give up like many of you, whether you build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

--giantkiller. This could go awry if we choose. I choose to stay on track.

OK, Respect, but  why to be bullheaded. Im trying to tell you that your "iron" is not good. First  as material choice and second - its ill-proportioned too long compared to magnets and coils. Too big losses.  Wire you using is thick and such kind  insulating is also thick  - in result you have nothing inside of coils/between magnets instead of losses.  Is this iron wire the only possible choice you can find about ferros materials? Seems Micrometals not interesting for you but even wire if to use it must to be bit better stacked and more tightly pressed together. ... even non coated steel is better, common oxide helps against eddy losses as well. Soft iron wire, up to 0,5mm, black thermal oxide  ... Iron-Nickel  0,2mm fire - of course much better ... And cut surfaces need to be absolut perfect!
khabe
PS:
I did play with Hubbard coil somewhere two years ago,  not much results, then saw SM TPU in Overunity ... I lost interest ... but my Hubbart version is still  in my cellar, at least most of parts.

Howdy Khabe,

I have spent a lot of time chasing Hubbard's design.  He built it the way that he did, with the materials that he did for a reason.  Form follows function.  Hubbard's Coil worked then and it will work again.  You TPU guys are always chasing extremes, the Hubbard Coil is pretty boring compared to that.  Its just a current generator, bor...  This current generator is supposed to resonate close to line frequencies, have a large current supply at a relatively low voltage.  Perfect for running your, say, uh, air conditioner, heater, lights, lab bench...  Granted its not "kickin" at 40 Khz and producing 10 inch arcs, its a little more practical.

Don't be dissin' the design...

Blessed Be Brothers...

@Aleks

QuoteI consider both the be pretty similar. EM phenomena is after all both electro and magnetic, not separate phenomena.

I would agree but I would take it even further, I would say both "electro" and "magnetic" are the same thing under different conditions. Sometimes things which should be apparent are not, for instance everyone knows the sky is blue----but it's not if you are looking at the earth from space, there is no blue in it. Therefore we could say the sky is only blue under certain "conditions" ie looking from earth upward. I think if the people who "know" for a fact the sky is blue knew "what" magnetism really is our energy problems would have been solved a long time ago.

I am chasing all avenues. Period. I built devices that proved to me that I am on the right track. I share.
Iron is slower in respect to what you have stated. Safety first. Then I tune.

Now back to business for me.  I go wind coils.

Pretty in pink.
And a night on the town.

Testing coming soon.

--giantkiller.

Previously some kind of server problem and the modify link goes away and posts get left screwed up.

I know it ain't a perfect world. But.....

Here she is in all her renown 'Pretty in pink'.

--giantkiller.

Hello all,

@khabe

a very nice picture.

Now, wind say, 20 turns of a lamp cable in CW direction, 20 turns in CCW direction, again 20 turns in CW direction and 20 turns in CCW direction.

Connect like I did it in my last schematic.

Inside the 4 racks place bar magnets all north or all south.

Just my 2 cents.

Otto

I'm curious about all the poeple that wind coils here. Do you wind them manually? Because that seems like one hell of a job. You maybe want to consider to invest some time into a homemade coil winder to save lots of time down the road. Here's an example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN3heVGEEZc

Quote from: allcanadian on July 22, 2008, 07:45:53 PM
I think if the people who "know" for a fact the sky is blue knew "what" magnetism really is our energy problems would have been solved a long time ago.

I'm not sure if current economy can bear free energy, but who knows...

"Electro" and "magnetism" is easily united if you consider that "vector field" usually used to define magnetic field consists of not just 3-D vectors, but of polarized 3-D vectors (e.g. 3-D vector + polarization angle). The same applies to scalar fields (e.g. used to define electron's electrostatic field) - there, instead of a single scalar value in each position of space one has to define polarized scalar value (scalar value + polarization angle).

After that everything boils down to atomic/molecular structure of material, and which "polarity" in it is not internally balanced, and thus exposed to external fields for balancing.

I think you guys would be interested in reading Marinov's perpetual mobile experiment carried out after his death by some colleges that once thought he was a crack pot but after doing the experiment realized that you could put a perpetual magnetic field in motion. Leedscalin (mis spelled) from the coral castle showed how to induce a static perpetual magnetic field.

Hereby bit explaned what I did try when spoken about Micrometals  powder cores. For example T520-26 - before and after machinings -  just version about GiantKiller idea.
khabe

And hereby full unit of GiantKiller  - using powder cores ...
khabe

power cores.... eh  hummm

i like your design

are those cores pressed or how would one go about  makeing them?

ist

Quote from: innovation_station on July 23, 2008, 07:53:10 AM
power cores.... eh  hummm

i like your design

are those cores pressed or how would one go about  makeing them?

ist

It is not like Ferrite - its just pressed iron powder with additives and then heat treatment.
You can cut it with common cutting tools - its  easy to mill, turn on the lathe,  drilling holes ...
The best tools for cut it of course  are carbide bits, mostly they have 1/8 shank - as higher RPM as better (I use 25.000 .... 40.000 RPM),
Bits like Irwin 1/8" Carbide Ceramic Tile Drill Bits - Rotozip eBay Item number: 360071718108 - when bigger cuts and holes,
or smaller one like 1.90mm carbide router burrs, diamond cut   Item number: 180167291446 when smaller works,
All coming grinding/dust  I do collect , its useful when mixed with epoxy and molded ...
khabe

Quote from: broli on July 23, 2008, 04:09:23 AM
I'm curious about all the poeple that wind coils here. Do you wind them manually? Because that seems like one hell of a job. You maybe want to consider to invest some time into a homemade coil winder to save lots of time down the road. Here's an example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN3heVGEEZc

I guess for toroid coil this is a must! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98q4Ic6UL7c&feature=related

Quote from: broli on July 23, 2008, 04:09:23 AM
I'm curious about all the people that wind coils here. Do you wind them manually? Because that seems like one hell of a job. You maybe want to consider to invest some time into a homemade coil winder to save lots of time down the road. Here's an example...

Howdy Broli,

It is hard work that tempers the soul.  Once you get accustomed to winding, its an automatic action.  You can think about other stuff while you hands do the winding.  Plus there is a great sense of accomplishment when you are finished.  I wound 18 coils for the Infinity Coil...

Blessed Be Brothers...

@Khabe,
Great pix.

@Broli,
I manage my time and resources to wind by hand at work or on the back deck with the wife and dogs while watching the sunset.
Can't let the addiction run my life too much.

Tonight I move everything to the real bench to hookup.

I am also making a hydro-kinetic impulse generator (electrolisis) for the conversion to on-demand hydrogen with my truck. $60.00 for 30% savings.

--giantkiller.

no on eis going to build this?   If you are waiting for the "How To Guide" - forget it. 

I told you exactly how it works.  It ain't rocket science.

Howdy Grumpy,

Were trying to replicate the original Hubbard Coil here.  The one from 1919.  The one that was just coils on iron cores.  No radium or high voltage drivers..  Last night I was reviewing some old documents that Pese had provided.  One had a picture of Hubbard in 1919 with his hand on the device.  This was the smaller one we all read about in the newspaper articles.  The device in the picture was 6 inches long and maybe 5 inches in diameter.  This is what we are after.  I did also see a picture of what you are talking about, from 1956, with the motor, distributor, and a vertical Hubbard coil that was maybe 18 inches tall.  What I am pursuing here is a solid state electric generator.  I think Hubbard figured that out.  While I think that your plan to build this coil is valid, it is not the path that I want to take.  I want to build the most simple device based on Hubbard's original plan in the most cost effective and simple way possible.  Then thoroughly document it so that other people can easily replicate it.  Of course all of this is in a state of flux, and the simplest, easiest way maybe to use a capacitive discharge ignition to drive the coils.  I have not had any personal success with is project yet.  So, in the end your way may be best, but I have to explore all avenues anyway to ferret out the right one.  So why don't you get to work on that how to guide...

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: z.monkey on July 24, 2008, 06:58:11 AM
I want to build the most simple device based on Hubbard's original plan in the most cost effective and simple way possible.  Then thoroughly document it so that other people can easily replicate it. 

An honorable goal.  I'll get to work on that guide...

Howdy Y'all,

Thanks Grumpy, working together we can help free the world of the Energy Robber Barons.

EMDesigns, your Cook Transformer setup is next on my agenda.  The eight primary coils in series are not doing what I had hoped so I am moving on to your original vision.  Eight Cook transformers hooked up in an infinite loop around the center core.  Each coils secondary will be hooked to the next coils primary.  We can do this two ways, straight through or alternating, depending on how we want the flux to flow in the primary cores.  If I wire the coils straight across it will create an alternating pattern in the flux field, core 1 +, core 2 -, core 3 +...  If I cross wire the cores then the flux will all flow in the same direction, core 1 +, core 2 +, core 3 +...  What do you think?  I was going to try several methods of stimulating the circuit.  Number 1 a jolt of DC from a battery.  Number 2 a square wave.  Number 3 a synthesized alternating current from my analog driver board.  And number 4 a synthesized alternating current with a step up EI core transformer.

GiantKiller, any results from the bench test of Gumby?  I really like the flux pathways on that one.  Maybe flux conduits?  Flux raceway?

Blessed Be Brothers...

Quote from: Grumpy on July 24, 2008, 12:18:56 AM
no on eis going to build this?   If you are waiting for the "How To Guide" - forget it. 

I told you exactly how it works.  It ain't rocket science.

I never know who you are talking to. :D
I showed up with a 4 channel device instead of an eight channel. I already mentioned my safety and operational specs. I plug this in tonight and see. It is physically programmable and can partially self destruct when things get out of hand.

The two types of operation are resonant and non-resonant. In resonancy the artifact achieved is resonant rise. In non-resonancy the energy transfers from coil to coil seeking resonancy. It has been mentioned that this device is self tuning. When the damped wave dampens to resonancy, the coils all become tuning forks. Kind of like a choir of angels getting in tune. '1khz, 2khz, 3khz, 4khz, 5khz' quotes Tesla.

Lol. I will call it EMGumby! Son of EMDevices thread.

--giantkiller. I think it is a doorbell to the heavens. ;D

Quote from: z.monkey on July 11, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
Howdy GiantKiller,

Another observation, when the square wave goes low the ringing starts and looks like it is increasing in amplitude.  Then the square wave goes high and the ringing stops with the direct current.  Try giving it only one pulse, high then low, and let the ringing continue.  See if the amplitude goes higher.  You may have the brass ring there, no pun intended.

Theoretically you are generating a vortex in the ether.  The longer the ringing continues the larger the vortex will become drawing more and more magnetic flux through the cluster of coils.  The limiting factor is the physical size of the inductor cluster and the size of each inductor.  So there should be an upper limit to the amplitude.  What that is I don't know.  Also see if you can measure the frequency of the ringing.  There should be some relationship between the size and number of the coils and the frequency.

I think you have done it, you found the free energy demon, at least in one way.  We should be able to access this energy in many ways.

Excellent work...

Blessed Be Brothers...

I think you hit the nail on the head .. "try giving it only one pulse, high then low, and let the ringing continue.  See if the amplitude goes higher"  Its not that its a high or low pulse its adding to the chord.

Picture the keely device you hit the tonic then you hit the 3rd and the 5th and now you hear the chord ringing with the same clairity of the original "tonic" note but sounding much more rich and full  Like playing an open g chord but putting your pinky down too on the high e string . Makes the chord sound much more full.   So by "striking the chord"  you get all the meat inside it.  Just throwin this out there.

Howdy Y'all,

Hey Grumpy, I had another thought about the more advanced version of the Hubbard Coil you are working with.  The technology used to built the voltage distribution system is archaic.  We should modernize this thing if we are going to the trouble of unlocking the secrets of the technology and documenting it.  Where Hubbard had a motor, V8 distributor and an ignition coil we will do this with state of the art technology.  Just for kicks lets say a Microchip processor driving some MOSFET preamplifers which drive some heavy duty MOSFETs hooked up to individual miniature flyback transformers.  Each flyback transformer is connected to one of the outer coils on the Hubbard Coil.  This way we can programmatically alter rotation, frequency, duration and amplitude of the pulses going to the Hubbard Coil.  All this technology to drive a Hubbard Coil?  Why?  As we explore and learn the secrets of this device it might be useful to have the additional flexibility in the control circuits.  We don't have to use a Microchip processor, that is the brand I am familiar with using.  I have some single channel driver boards like this built already.  So I can just modify my design to make them eight channel instead of one.  I think we may need the flexibility if the Hubbard Coil is capable of doing what I think it is capable of.

Blessed Be Brothers...

After a quick thought about EMdevices' original "infinite bifilar coil" design, I've noticed one thing.

If you consider one direction, voltage of a initial injected impulse will be rising infinitely while amperage dimishing infinitely. In opposite direction, voltage will be diminishing infinitely, but amperage increasing infinitely. How do high-voltage and high-amperage active loads interact when they are connected via bifilar coil?

tonight when I get home I will post a very interesting setup I discovered yesterday evening, by mistake!!

I was setting up a very simple blocking oscillator on my small breadboard, which I had done many times before and I was getting this strange high frequency "hash"  couldn't figure out what was happening.  I changed transistors and the same thing.   I was puzzled for quite a while but decided to explore the phenomena  (ususally means bringing magnets close to the core,  LOL  )   and I noticed it was not changing the frequency that much, but some.   Also, the frequency was so high, never seen it so high before, it was up to 50 MHz or so (not a clean sinusoid, but close).   Then I decided to load the output down with a 100 ohm resistor and the peak to peak voltages were still 10 Volts or so, so I figure a power output of about 10*10/100 = 1 watt,  and the resistor got realy got, but the input amps to this thing was realy low, 50 mili Amps or so from 10 volts,  I'm like all stoked, not sure what this means, but I need to explore it some more to make sure it's not measurement error cause I've been bit by that before.   Like I said, I discovered it by accident, and later determined why my oscillator wasn't working properly,  I had reversed two wires, just as simple as that.    By the way, without the 100 ohm resistor, the output swings 40 Volts plus and minus, never been able to get that before.  Also, I hooked up a variable capacitor and started adjusting, and the core starting singing, but the frequency shown on the scope is too high for sound production, so another weird phenomena.    I'm not sure what resonates, it could be magnetostriciton, but then again, it's way too high of a frequency, maybe it's a higher harmonic or something.  Maybe it's the capacitance around the coils, who knows.   I have a feeling it might be a case like Dr Stiffler's coils, where he found out that he can reduce his circuit complexity down to just a strip of copper, since he was dealing with high frequencies as well.   I'll have to do much more exploring on this to be sure I understand it.
EM

Howdy Y'all,

Aleks, I had considered those possibilities, and was considering wiring the coil in that way anyway.  But after another thought tangent occurred to me I have changed plans once again.

GiantKiller, I once left the ground off the noninverting input of a split voltage power amplifier circuit and it went into oscillation at over a megahertz.  I picked up the local AM station clear as a bell.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Howdy Y'all,

LocalJoe, guitar player, huh, me too...  I have noticed that knowledge of music helps me to understand electronics and resonant systems much better.  You have a thorough understanding of resonance after playing a Dreadnaught.  See, people who don't understand music don't know what a Dreadnaught is, so they just don't understand resonance...

Blessed Be Brother...

Someone told he never stop in halfway  >:(
Yeah ...
khabe

Howdy Khabe,

We didn't stop.  We need rest, been working hard!

Blessed Be Brother...

Howdy Grumpy,

Guess what?  I have been experimenting like a crazy man.  My analog driver board wasn't doing it.  It was generating about 12 watts, way too little.  So I built a power inverter board.  The first time I hooked the inverter up to the Infinity Transformer I blew up all the semiconductors with the inductive kickback from the Infinity Transformer.  So I replaced all the semiconductors with hardcore parts and the inverter works with a regular transformer, but will not drive the primary coil on the Infinity Transformer.  So, then decided to use a Relay Oscillator, which did oscillate and drive the primary,but I didn't like the wave symmetry coming out of that one.  The last setup was a Digital Driver Board driving my relay at about 20 Hertz.  The Infinity Transformer Primary was hooked up in a way that alternates the positive and negative side of the battery on to the primary coil of the Infinity Transformer.  This worked for like an hour of playing, and made some brilliant blue sparks on the relay contact.  Albeit it annihilated the relay.  The drive current and radiant kickbacks made the contacts so hot that the solder connections melted, and the plastic of the relay socket melted around the conducting terminals.  This last setup made some impressive high voltage spikes on the oscilloscope also.

So, Grumpy I have come to the conclusion that I need a motorized commutator to switch currents into the Infinity Transformer.  AllCanadian suggested that I use information from an old Tesla Patent where he is using a DC motor to provide the switching for the Infinity Coil Primary which dumps the inductive kickback from the motor windings into the Infinity Coil Primary.  Is this something close to what you were suggesting with your proposed setup for the Hubbard Coil?  I am studying the Tesla Patent now.  Quickly getting past the point of "off the shelf" components, I am...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Nice progress report Z.

Quote from: z.monkey on August 06, 2008, 07:33:54 AM
So, Grumpy I have come to the conclusion that I need a motorized commutator to switch currents into the Infinity Transformer.  AllCanadian suggested that I use information from an old Tesla Patent where he is using a DC motor to provide the switching for the Infinity Coil Primary which dumps the inductive kickback from the motor windings into the Infinity Coil Primary.  Is this something close to what you were suggesting with your proposed setup for the Hubbard Coil?  I am studying the Tesla Patent now.  Quickly getting past the point of "off the shelf" components, I am...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Well, what I suggested does require a commutator or other switch if driven from inductive field collapse or HV DC, but not if driven from capacitor discharge which would require spark gaps or other fast switching - HV and very little current.

Hubbard reportedly used 11.25 kv DC and no capacitors, and a distributor (8 cylinder type).  Some speculative reports said his cores had radioactive materials, some say iron, some say they were magnetized - what I suggested requires magnetized cores.

Entirely different approach really.

I have an inner coil and outer coil wound on magnets but have not tested it yet - been doing other things.

EDIT:  By the way, a distributor will not handle much current, so I doubt the device requires much current to operate.

great job monkey it looks awsome!!

yep relays melt reeds burn out fets blow up

that is a great indication of extra engery.,... eh?

sounds like you need a cap on your output then switched so you dont blow shit up  :) just as the 0 zone ;D

keep it up

ist

@ grumpy to switch current is ok!!  but 1 must take proper percautions to avoid being KILLED... it is all good as long as your device is setup to deal with the returning CURRENT!!!  if it is not ....  well   Z knows what will happin... :)

i recomend a tesla diode....  built through inductance allowing but 1 path...

Hi, z.monkey.
Do you make measuring of input-output powers and COP? Have you COP>1?

Howdy Altium,

I am in testing now.  I have been having some problems driving the Infinity Transformer.  This is all documented on the Infinity Coil thread.  I'll publish the results as soon as I have them...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...

Hi Folks,
In the TPU Facts & Test Results thread, there were some interesting comments made that might apply here.  First, an interesting observation on coil winding from Godmode (see:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4491.msg120714.html#msg120714 )--

"Basically, if we take two conventional coils, and connect them in
series, but orient them such that the poles of the two coils are in
opposition, what is often called 'bucking fields', we will find that the
total inductance is greater than that of a single coil.  The total
energy stored in the fields of the two coils is not significantly
effected by their orientation, and the system is highly inductive.

All we have done is to distort the flux, we have not canceled ANY flux
at all.

On the other hand, if we were to construct a bifilar coil with exactly
the same ammount of wire, we would find that the coil had nearly no
inductance at all, and stores no significant energy in the form of a
magnetic field."

Moving down in that thread, Grumpy states:
(See: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4491.msg120720.html#msg120720)
"...then you take several pairs of coils with there slight ether compressing effect and place them in a circle such that the successive pairs can couple and entrain the aether compressed by the previous pairs then you just let it spin like an aether turbine - and a tubine is just a big compressor - CCW in northern and CW in southern  - and it spins up compressing more and more - there is a limit of course so no black holes or supernovas. 

Now you have compressed the field - how do you get power from this?"

I've been working on another project, but have been turning this one over in my mind a few weeks while following along.  Now I'm wondering if Godmode's idea might be worth incorporating into a Hubbard Coil style design.  Does anyone consider this method of winding (ie. coils in opposition to produce bucking effect) worthwhile?  I'm partial to trifilar winding, and am wondering if two windings set up as Godmode suggested might be somehow integrated with a third.  Perhaps the 2 bucking coils could be trifilar themselves, ora third coil could be wrapped around the whole unit.
Guess I'd better get experimenting... :o)

I'm thinking of using a ferrite tube for the centre coil and 5 ferrite rods for outside.  If I don't post anything in the next month or so, it means I've been sucked down the black hole gumpy warned about :0)

Any comments/ideas/suggestions?
B

@Bob Smith

The main difference with the Hubbard coil is they are not side by side so such a scheme of having like poles next to each would not be effective.

Quote from: wattsup on August 11, 2008, 08:40:17 PM
@Bob Smith

The main difference with the Hubbard coil is they are not side by side so such a scheme of having like poles next to each would not be effective.

Not necessarily.  The effect is perpendicular to the wire of the coil - for a multilayer solenoid the effect is to the sides as well as the top and bottom.   I'd leave out the ferrite.

My explanation with the opposed coils was a spin-off from the Hubbard explanation.

@Bob Smith,
It is an easy step with rat shack coils to just hook them up to a fast square pulse and or pulse train of resonance.
You are then just moving alligator clips around.

Glad to see others on the ball.

Also,
This caught my eye.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm
Check out the waveform on the top left. ::)
That whole page is full of great links!

--giantkiller.

I just came across these original British Intelligence documents on the Hans Coler invention, dating back to WWII.

http://www.tesla-coil.com/Hans%20Coler.htm (http://www.tesla-coil.com/Hans%20Coler.htm)

I read all the pages in detail, and it is so apparent that the phenomena is none other then the TPU phenomena, and also, none other then the McFarland Cook coil, and none other then the Hubbard coil.

In other words, it's the same phenomena that's not understood by physics and it produces pulsed DC currents and extra energy.

In the case of the Hans Coler device, they found out there was a 180 kHz frequency.

Simply amazing, and note he uses the conducting magnets in his circuits as current conductors as well, which simply is the same as the IRON (BAILING) wire COLLECTOR that SM used in his TPU.  In other wores, the wire is not only MAGNETIC and used as the core for the helical (or toroidal) coil, but also carries current as well.  This can plainly be seen in the FTPU, and in the Hans Coler drawings.

In one of the pdfs, Hans Coler says he believes there are natural oscillations in the magnetic circuit (flux path) and these fluctuations induce current in the electrical circuit which is tuned.    Same stuff like SM, but slightly different geometry.

I can say that my brainstorming on the nature of the Hubbard coil might be very close to the truth.  Energy will discharge from one coil to the other in a PULSED manner, like I already described in previous posts.   Somehow energy is amplified,  and note the very exciting experiment conducted by Hans Coler  (page 31) where they connect and disconnect a transformer with a diode and resistor in the secondary circuit,  and they obtain an INCREASE of energy when the current BEGINS TO FLOW, as opposed to when it's interrupted.

Wow, and more wows!!!   Even SM talked about this.

Has anybody replicated any of this Hans Coler stuff? 

This is dynamite info guys,  we have accurate descriptions of the device and test results, and I'm convinced we'll harness this elusive energy before too long.  I can't believe I'm only now discovering this.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on August 15, 2008, 12:12:16 AM
In the case of the Hans Coler device, they found out there was a 180 kHz frequency.

Since frequencies vary greatly from implementation to implementation of this kind of device, one may speculate that devices are not "tapping" anywhere to get the energy. In my opinion they are smart devices that create energy via mass-kinetic energy conversion. EM waves are kinetic energy; while some "clever" EM waves arrangement may produce transient mass field that immediately produces "kickback" and diminishes. It's like "red" or "violet" shift on bench scale.

i have a verry good file regarding this device altho it is not my work and i would be going aginst my friends wishes if i were to post  as he wrote the article i have ...

bar magnets ..... sure does look like a tpu... :)

ist

Quote from: aleks on August 15, 2008, 02:24:36 AM
Since frequencies vary greatly from implementation to implementation of this kind of device, one may speculate that devices are not "tapping" anywhere to get the energy. In my opinion they are smart devices that create energy via mass-kinetic energy conversion. EM waves are kinetic energy; while some "clever" EM waves arrangement may produce transient mass field that immediately produces "kickback" and diminishes. It's like "red" or "violet" shift on bench scale.

This device is started, like an old Ford Model 'T' with a handcrank, by mechanical movement of coils then a switch thrown. While the TPU, Deyo, Hubbard is ready to crank electrically. The resonance comes from a build up on all devices. Funny thing, UFOs fit the same analogy.
In the Deyo youtube it was stated by making an electromagnetic sphere, that became an antenna to see the impingings on the larger ionosphere. Now this device rings the bell again.

--giantkiller.

Ist   if its an 'article' that sounds like something that has already been published ? if its a PM of course thats different   maybe you could ask him if its all right to share his article here ? I agree with EM also   the time is getting close [seems like he really has his teeth into this] Chet PS along with others

Here's one experiment's  attempt at reproducing the device:

www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hanscoler.htm (http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hanscoler.htm)

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fak5%2Fenergy21%2Fhanscoler_files%2Fcoler10.jpg&hash=ed14c724ff2caddefb1e85b4800e70d759d0d9ee)


-duff

that atempt is built wrong.....


ist

i will see if i can dig up some of the schems....

agin i have not built this

it flows both ways.....

i beleave rectangular bar magnets are to be used and biased both ways  also open ends.....   :o and they are to connect toagther as 1 ring ....  the magnetic cores..  in attraction but i could be wrong as i have not really deeply studied this device...

Ist any luck finding  the schematics ?  Chet

a pic  i have .... 


not sure if there is more or not ..

ist

put this under the top windings

@EM

On page 7 of the Coler document, when the current is switched off on the primary, a reversing current results. This is what happened in @allcanadians' small circuit on the The Tesla Project thread. I had tried this myself and shown that on current applied, a small DC motor turned clockwise about 45 degrees, total degrees depended on the capacitor value, and when current was removed the motor turned counterclockwise back to its original position. This showed that with one pulse application, the motor moved twice. 

Back in April 2008, I had put up the Coler circuit on the @JD thread because @JD had mentioned Coler in one of his posts. Hmmmmm.

So the six coils are wound over magnets?
Pass a small current in bailing wire and it becomes magnetized. I have done this and checked with my compass.
Anyways, thanks for this doc.

Given recent posts on the nature of iron wire cores here and in some of the TPU threads and call for brainstorming, I thought I'd toss out an idea for feedback.  It's a twist a twist on the Hubbard Coil that I'm trying to work out mentally before trying out...

+Centre coil actually a toroid consisting in magnetized iron wire core wrapped in layer of cotton fabric.
   Cu coil wrapped around iron wire core in toroid fashion at 45degree angle. Hopefully,
   magnetized Fe core will inductively trigger the Cu coil. 
+Cu coil - both ends run to Avramenko Plug and single wire lead.
+Lead from AV Plug becomes primary on 1st outer coil. 
+Secondary on same (1st outer) coil has both ends terminating in AV plug to diode,
   then to wind as primary onto next coil.
+Primary from 1st coil runs to 2nd coil to be wound as secondary.
+Repeat until you've gone all the way around your circular coil setup.

Here's the thing- Since I'm working with AV plug on secondary, I have to leave end of primary on last coil open.  Two ends of Secondary go to AV plug for single wire transmission.

This is kind of wild, but given the AV plug's close association with radiant energy/CE, I'm wondering if it might move us a little further down the field in the quest for producing and harnessing electricity from an aether vortex.  It might also produce something very dangerous (Grumpy's black hole???).  This is part of why I want to put it out there.

Given what has been happenning on Doc Stiffler's SEC thread, it would seem that an increased load placed on a single line transmission from the AV plug will draw increased energy in from the aether/lattice .  Now, maybe we need some caps in there to help the conversion process.  I'm not sure. 
Here's where we cross over into TPU territory, and I apologize. If the centre coil/toroid alone can produce the aether vortex effect, perhaps we don't even need the outer ring of coils. - Then we are dealing with more of a TPU -  We have our AV plug off the  Cu winding. 

If we can't get the AV plug working from this simple arrangement, it may be necessary to substitute a trifilar inductively coupled oscillator circuit using an NPN transistor for the single CU winding. This will produce pulsed DC (at least thru a rectifier), and the 3rd wire can be sent to an AV plug. Anyhow, see what you think.

Just a note:  I'm the first to admit that I don't know what's going to come off the AV plug lead once it's coiled and a secondary wound over top.  I don't want to put anybody at risk, so it might be good for some of the more knowledgeable members to offer any observations about this kind of proposal.  If this thing does work, consider it my open source gift which has evolved with some help from others whose circuits and insights are posted on this site.
FWIW,
B

EM sorry to barge in, but your an antennae Guy and if you havent seen this you must [From user sirmikey1]   Chet
                                               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o 

http://www.freshpatents.com/Self-sustaining-electric-power-generator-utilizing-electrons-of-low-inertial-mass-to-magnify-inductive-energy-dt20070111ptan20070007844.php

[0006] Newspaper photos (Anon. 1920a) of a more impressive demonstration of Hubbard's fuelless generator show a device described as 14 inches (36 cm) long and 11 inches (28 cm) in diameter connected by four heavy electrical cables to a 35-horsepower (26 kW) electric motor. The motor reportedly propelled an 18-foot open launch around a lake at a speed of 8 to 10 knots (Anon. 1920b). The event was witnessed by a cautious news reporter who claims to have checked thoroughly for any wires that might have been connected to hidden batteries by lifting the device and motor from the boat. Radioactive-decay energy can be eliminated as the main power source because about 10.sup.8 times more radium than the entire world's supply would have been needed to equal Hubbard's reported electric energy output of 330 amperes and 124 volts.

[0008] To the Applicant's best knowledge, the only depiction that was made public of the interior components of any of these reported generators consists of a sketchy drawing (Bermann 1928h) of Hubbard's apparatus similar in size to the device shown in his 1919 demonstration. It depicts a complex set of parallel coils measuring 6 inches (15 cm) in length and 4.5 inches (11.4 cm) overall in diameter. Four leads of insulated wire with the insulation peeled back are shown coming out of the end of the device. What those four wires were connected to internally was not shown. Hubbard's description of the internal arrangement of coils in the device generally matches the drawing (Anon. 1920a): "It is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core. The core likewise has a single winding. About the entire group of cells is a secondary winding." Nothing was reported or depicted about how components functioned with each other, or how much radium was used and where the radium was positioned. The only connectors visible on the drawing were between the outer windings of the eight electromagnet coils. Theses connectors show that the direction of the windings alternated between clockwise and counterclockwise on adjacent coils, so that the polarity of each electromagnet would have been opposite to that of its adjacent neighbors.

"About the entire group of cells is a secondary winding" it says.
I hadn't seen that before...

So that patent was saying that the 8 coils each have a secondary. There is a central large coil and now an outer coil? So a total of 18 coils, with only 4 external wires.

That patent mentioned alternating north and south poles on the 8 coils too.

It would be nice to find another reference to this outer wrap and the north south orientation somewhere else, or find out if all of this information is wrong.

Is this just a big self priming ~ignition coil? 2 external wires for the primary circuit and 2 for the secondary (load) ??

I hope you can see the similarities.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg124092.html#msg124092 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg124092.html#msg124092)
On the Hubbard, as each outer coil is fired that field hits the center. By enacting a precession the energy is pushed only in one direction.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: ramset on August 16, 2008, 03:37:56 PM
Ist any luck finding  the schematics ?  Chet

Here:

GP

Quote from: pese on August 29, 2008, 06:38:07 PM
Here: Thisone with "geometrie" (dimensions) the current wil directed also over(inner),, low rated magnetic "soft-iron core".

GP

Quote from: giantkiller on August 29, 2008, 02:54:37 PM

On the Hubbard, as each outer coil is fired that field hits the center. By enacting a precession the energy is pushed only in one direction.

--giantkiller.

finally...

other way....

Quote from: pese on August 31, 2008, 09:22:49 AM
other way....

Making 304 a secondary to the 307. Bifilar. The loose winding of 307 is used for creating a field and very low inductance? I pushes one direction along the shaft. Put alot of turns on the 304 and it starts to look very much like a stretched Tesla coil.
Replace the magnets with coils, stand it up and it looks like a Hubbard / Coler.

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Library/Library.htm

I am working on a rat shack 26# bifilar and a 22#pancake 512340-b single layer..

--giantkiller.

        Is Mark's tpu really torroidal.  Seems all these devices use some form of Tesla's coilcapacitor spreading the spark gap gain.

I see that. Your winding looks the 307 winding. The pulse goes around pushing the whole way.

--giantkiller.

Four pairs of a Daniel Cook coil type configuration as a basis? There are 4 wires involved in his arrangement. Was this mentioned already? I'm too lazy to go back and look. :P

Hi guys,
             How do we know that bifilar windings were used in the Hubbard coils, in fact, all the coils mentioned earlier?\

I haven't read that anywhere.

Regards

i beleave bifillar can be used a few ways....

when useing a core that can saturate use 1 strand of the bifillar wind to choke the supply down... to cause the core to saturate  then with the other strand onlly allow it to leave there...


and the results will be grater than inputted  ;) because it is plused and the flyback is dirrected to output insted of being grounded out as in current electronics yes it apears to be this easy...

ist :P

  Nice post IS.  You store up the counteremf.  I think counteremf is supplied by neutrino kinetic energy and is responsible for the zpe effect. 

soon enough we will move along to the rest of the device...

like the freqs the outter coil the standing waves and the magnetic feed back to self sustain ...

and the rotation that is a by product from mixing the proper freqs....


it really aint all that hard i dont think

ist

Remember Ottos ECD CC coils. They were wound starting with a partial bifilar with a continued secondary winding over it. Since bifilar coils can also act as a capacitor, I think his CC could have also acted as an all-in-one resonant circuit since he had both the capacitor and the inductor as being shown by @armagdn03. Having three of these on a mobius loop and have them resonate all three at once on that one mobius loop could have worked to move current through the mobius while consuming only the energy required to keep the CC resonant. Hmmmmm.

Quote from: innovation_station on October 11, 2008, 09:43:25 AM
i beleave bifillar can be used a few ways....



ist :P

Thanks, but, my question was how do we know that bifilar coils were used, not what they do.

Regards

perhaps they wernt used in the faction we normally woud use  them maybe they are used in a transformer faction  ie primary and tuned

secondary and what if the secondary is really your resistor and your choke coil when we think tesla this sure seams to be the case with his

steel ball or spear a top some of his coils...  ever see the 6 spear tesla coil??  ;)


ist

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I went back and read every post. I haven't built anything along these lines, but I'd like to inject this into the forum, as the topic has been covered only a little. The excitation method Hubbard used was a HV source sent through an automobile distributor that had possibly a variac that controlled motor speed that spun the distibutor shaft.

If I have a distributor with 8 plugs wires, I could send a pulse train out the top of the distributor instead of the other way around. I could tie the plug wires common to the HV source and have 8 high voltage DC fast transit events per revolution of the shaft. A thousand RPM on the distributor would then mean 8 thousand events.

It appears that he was (guessing some more here) watching for a bulb to light (or a space heater to glow) to indicate he was "in the area" as he adjusted the variac. I'm going to guess also that he didn't vary the HV impulse strength, just the timing.

Each set up he built probably had it's own timing. I imagine that the most important part of the thing is that he probably made sure that his wire lengths on his coils were matched.

QuoteThe excitation method Hubbard used was a HV source sent through an automobile distributor that had possibly a variac that controlled motor speed that spun the distibutor shaft.

Could anyone point to the actual information from the time period that verifies this claim.? I have collected a lot of info on the Hubbard generator, but have not seen this info.

Thanks in advance

Quote from: HEYDUDE on December 03, 2008, 03:24:01 PM
Could anyone point to the actual information from the time period that verifies this claim.? I have collected a lot of info on the Hubbard generator, but have not seen this info.

Thanks in advance

http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Hubbard_Alfred/The%20Hubbard%20Energy%20Transformer%20by%20Gaston%20Burridge.pdf

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http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206
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www.otto-gb.150m.com/p1/  How du build an ZPE research lab in your home 25 pg PDF

@Otto!
Great links!

How great?

I spent 2 minutes there and came to this:

It will be noted that this hexagonal construction of coils and magnets and two "rotating" sub-circuits has absolutely no source of power. Yet, to the mystified Coler and Dr. Schumann, it nevertheless managed to produce, or better, transduce power seemingly... from nowhere.

And so it goes:
The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum. Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, excited by lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth surface and the ionosphere.

There will always be free energy as long as lightning strikes.
And the real joke is 'Lightning never strikes twice'. Now we know it always does somewhere and discharges through the planetary dielectric causing immense waves. Let's surf the EM tidal waves.

That is what the Hubbard does with the distributor. It creates lightning... Stress the dielectric, get a return. Or know there is a stress point some where on the planet and read it elsewhere, Coler.

Is there any information out there that shows the compression factor of the dielectric after lightning strikes? We know the speed is fast because part of the wake of the collapse is a sonic boom. Before that is very, very, very high speed potential. Remember the wake comes from a point and spreads out and slows down. We only experience the later part of that. But copper picks up a larger spectrum higher in that energy dispersion and lower. 8)
Driving down the highway during a rain storm at dusk, lightning struck the tarmac about 15 feet away. From the side I saw a 1 foot wide shaft of whitish blue energy. Macadem blew up and hit my truck. I never heard a thing due to the proximity and the pressure wave was going away beyond me. Fatest damn thing I ever saw.

The TPU looks like a cross between a Magnetic amplifier and the Coler device. The Coler device is similar to Dollard's TEM/LMD setup. Now we know the SM17 produced sparks like a stun gun(uhoh, here we go). The SM17 had 2 fuses on the back. I did that and showed sparks. His unit did not show sparks on the back of the coil. But he could have easily put the first stage inside the black box to hide the first spark gap stage. Stun gun has it, Tesla coil has it, I did it. Coordinate the two rings for BEMF collision in space(between the top and bottom ring) and you have the output stage of a stungun. Just no sparks? I was warned about putting (2) 15 foot diameter rings on a simple stun gun.

--giantkiller. Boom...

The Hubbard coil is described in such clear terms in the Seattle article from the 1920, it's amazing that nobody has gotten it build and running.

While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that
Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret.  In general,
he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with
primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a
large steel core.  The core likewise has a single winding.  A coil thus
constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse.  This is
done by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an
ordinary[two words unreadable R.L.R.] -ing circuit, he says.

The manner of this momentary charging, however, constitutes the principal
secret of the device, according to the inventor, who says that while
machinists have built a number of coils for him under his direction, they
have been unable to "start" them.  In the event the power of the coil should
diminish, it can be rejuvenated in less than a second, Hubbard says.


EM

@EM

I've always believed those two missing words were 'field flashing'.

Cheers,

BEP

@EMdevices

With all due respect I don't see what you mean by the last quote, sure the primary impulse gets the device started but how is it used to keep it running?

Regards,
Paul

Quote from: EMdevices on December 03, 2008, 10:21:54 PM
The Hubbard coil is described in such clear terms in the Seattle article from the 1920, it's amazing that nobody has gotten it build and running.

While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that
Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret.  In general,
he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with
primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a
large steel core.  The core likewise has a single winding.  A coil thus
constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse.  This is
done by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an
ordinary[two words unreadable R.L.R.] -ing circuit, he says.

The manner of this momentary charging, however, constitutes the principal
secret of the device, according to the inventor, who says that while
machinists have built a number of coils for him under his direction, they
have been unable to "start" them.  In the event the power of the coil should
diminish, it can be rejuvenated in less than a second, Hubbard says.


EM

You still need a principle of operation and a guess at which coils are input and output.

The device is clearly described, but yes there are unknowns. 

We know there are 8 electromagnets, each has two coils (primary and secondary)  and the main steel drum has only a single coil on it.

Now, we can use our heads and start going through all the permutations of how we can possibly hook up or connect all these coils.

Let's see:    8 *2 + 1 = 17 pairs of wires.   Lot's of room for experimentation !


Missing words in that article seem to be   "BATTERY CHARGING", note the word CHARGING is used in the very next sentence.

Now, the big question is,  why would magnetic/electric oscillations persist in such a device after it is energized?

I brainstorm from time to time on these topics, so since this topic was resurrected I had to chime in.   

I hope you all don't think I have found the secrets of this device and I'm not sharing, cause it's not true.

EM

  I belieive Hubbard used radium in his distributor.  (Moray was into coating his filaments with radioactive stuff)  If you check some of Hubbard's latter work he did some spark plug coating with radium that created more of a flash as well as extending the spark gap often to the head of the cylinder itself.  One more similarity is the results guys are getting on this board using plazma ignition of water vapor.  Also check out radioactive devices in your home.  Smoke detectors.  The use of low level radiation on a filament results in ionizing frequencys.  If we take a distributor and the timing is off there results between the rotor contact and the spark plug contacts a plasma construct.  This is avoided in distributors by timing the collapse in the ignition coil so that the rotor is adjacent a contact.  Perhaps Hubbard's distributor is misstimed to create a rotary plasma arc field.  This is not unlike Tesla's spark gaps.  If the radium is used to ionize the air molecules so that upon dielectric stressing of the air between the rotor and the stator we have a circulation of the free electrons about the ions this results in a plasma.  This plasma represents a highly positive electrostatic field as the electrons are no longer in the inertial frame of the protons.  This positive charge field could be viewed as a dielectric monopole.  It's effect on the surrounding mass such as the wires leading to his coils has yet to be understood by myself.  I do see a number of devices displaying seeming overunity as resulting from the production of a  selfconfining plasma. 

I am not a guru in this subject like all the rest of you so I'll go ahead and embarrass myself and toss out a thought.  This reminds me so much of Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder--  an iron loop, a U-shaped iron bar with another iron bar across the ends of the 'U', wrapped with two copper coils, a PMM.  Once the coils are "charged" the "magnets" as he calls them continue to flow, seemingly forever holding the iron bar to the magnet, a perpetual electromagnet.  Somewhere I saw a video of a fellow that successfully recreated the device. 

Leedskalnin describes how, after charging the copper coils on his device, breaking the iron loop will discharge the current and light-up a bulb, years after the device is charged.  Would it not be possible to discharge the coils -- not into a light bulb -- but instead into another set of coils that had a similar iron loop in place, creating another electromagnet that was rotated to the first pair, effectively creating a rotating magnetic field? 

Suppose you had two PMM's. Can you switch the current you pulsed into the coil in one PMM effectively turning it into an electromagnet, into another PMM, totally deactivating the first PMM and without current loss?   Leedskalnin does this discharge not by connecting coils, but by disconnecting the iron loop.  Introduce a charge and activate one PMM, then using a distributor release the "magnets" loose in the iron loop of the next PMM by disconnecting the iron loop of the first PMM with the distributor.

The current pulse from coil-pair to next coil-pair is created not so much by connection, but by disconnection.

The way I would see this work, using Hubbards layout of 8 cores in a circle, the opposing iron cores would wire together with iron wire through the distributor.  This temporarily created PMM, with the opposing iron cores connected through the distributor support a flow of "magnets" through the iron cores as a loop through the distributor.  One copper coil pair would initially be charged, and the PMM electromagnet is created.  Once the iron loop is in place through the distributor on the next pair of coils, and the copper coils on this next pair connected through the distributor momentarily to the preceding pair, the current flowing in a pair of opposing copper coils could dump or discharge to this next pair by the distributor disconnecting the iron loop of the preceding copper pair.   It is this disconnection of the iron loop that causes the discharge of current to the next coil pair.  Now there is a newly created electromagnet rotated to the preceding pair of coils.  I don't believe the current will leave the first pair of coils and go to the next until the iron loop is broken, so if the copper coils are connected and ready to receive the discharge, there would be very little loss through switching apparatus. 

Ok, it's a crazy thought, I got a little wordy and it might not make sense. - Duane

@mdmiller,
Very cool description. Use MSpaint and draw a top and side view chicken scratch diagram. Just black and white. It is like the little magnets going around. Get it out of your head and down on paper that way the obfuscation or confusion is dispelled. That is how I started out, drawing pictures.

I studied Coral castle for 2 years. When I went in October and stood where he stood I was saw things that are fantastic and not previously documented. For instance: stand on the top step of the North pinnacle and face south. To your left are the planets on the wall. Every wonder why there is only a few? Saturn, Jupiter. When those planets rise in the morning the Sun shines on the north pinnacle. This causes a shadow behind you. The crosshairs make an arc on the ground. Now you have a sextant embedded in a chronometer. The graticle is on the walls opposite the pinnacle. But it is laying down and still usable. Unreal?
When the moon is in the sky above each of the moon phase statues in phase the seats in the park point to constellations. 8)
On the big metal door there is a 'Ring twice' sign. We do that in NMR technology with 90 degree waves. There is a plant on the door at the other end of the diagram from Earth. This signifies life forms at the place. It is 21million light years away in the Goldilocks zone of Ursa Minor.
Well you get the picture: http://www.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&q=Ursa+minor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&resnum=11&ct=title

At certain time of the year all these markers line up. :o

--giantkiller. Are you thought this was about magnets, eh?

     If the low voltage output of a battery is transformed into a highvoltage highfrequency event that is distributed to primaries of the eight outer transformers.  These transformers then transform this back into low low frequency current.  This current appears sequentially around the core as each of the eight primaries are ignited.  Then the magnetic field would appear to rotate about the core.
In this core we find another transformer of sorts that responds to the magnetic field pulsating about it's periphery.  This winding now powers the motor with pulsed DC.  If there is but a small gain in the spark gap and this gain occurs at high frequency and expressed at low frequency we might get a motor to run off some high frequency gain from the field.   How would one take a highfrequency highvoltage output and change it into a low frequency high current event?

The spark gap is a wide spectrum discharge. Set the LC parameters for the low frequency resonant notch you want. Then set the secondary winding of L to a number of wraps lower to get the current you want. Low frequency, high current achieved.

--giantkiller.

Thankyou GK.  :)

hubbard switching ala leedskalnin ...

this image will maybe help explain what I'm trying to say.  in this example there are two PMM's but the continuity of the iron core oscillates between the two(mechanically or electrically). the iron core is only a complete loop on one PMM at a time.

momentary power is applied, the first PMM is charged and active, power is removed and no longer required.  The device is now an electromagnet in-perpetuum per Leedskalnin.  Now, severing the continuity of the core will release the charge on the coils, per Leedskalnin - where he lights a bulb, but instead we release the charge to the coil of the other PMM.

the core continuity could be completed with an iron wire, and by switching the iron wire back and forth, we create resonance between the two PMM's

none of this generates any power, it just resonates the PMM electromagnets back and forth, with no further power input into the coils.  the only energy expended is that required to switch the iron wire back and forth to complete the continuity of a core and activate a PMM, or more importantly deactivate a PMM and thus causing a flow of current into the other PMM and activating it as an electromagnet.

putting these coils into circles, connecting all their leads together, charging an initial coil pair, and then switching the continuity of their iron cores sequentially should rotate the "magnets" and it would be from this magnetic field rotation along with additional coils that power would be generated.

just a thought - duane

Quote from: sparks on December 04, 2008, 08:57:39 AM
  I belieive Hubbard used radium in his distributor.  (Moray was into coating his filaments with radioactive stuff) 

possibly,
but:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5052.251
this here is also an 8 coil device (near to Hubbard)
this will (possibly) work wit 20KW
without  any radium sources.
Pese

The specific claim made by Epiphany and others was that an "automobile distributor" was used as part of the Hubbard device.

I have not been able to find this claim in the old newspaper clippings. Perhaps a "rotating subcircuit" could be interpreted as a automobile distributor, but so could a ring counter or stepping relay.

For the sake of accuracy it would be helpful to refer only to the original texts, lest recent urban legends be transmuted into fact.

I might add that some of the photos used in the pdf's were much later (1970's) attempts at replication and are now being touted as actual Hubbard units.

guys i want to add somthing ....  this is important to  advanced devices...  perhaps the cause of the effect of this coil  ;)

i have noticed in playing with caps and coils ...   a self oscolating engery ....   i have scoped this in the past  it ia a unique wave ...


this engery as i recall  slowly drains from the cap...  but it seams as tho it is filled agin i have had caps moveing for DAYS....  from 1 charge.... ;)

expairment ....  tiz the only way to learn .....


ist


ok now we are touching on my orbit 720 coil ..... the engery traped in the pmh IS IN MOTION LOL .........  AS IS IT IN COPPER :o

lol


and YES IT CAN BE SPED UP   LOL

mpi  8)  ringgggg belllllllls lol

@Pese,
Yes. I believe Radium was thrown in there to make it difficult and to confuse. I do not believe he used that at all. It would make an oscillator.

@all,
Today, we all know better and have more intuitive mindsets to see through the smoke screen. Is what I said Gospel? Go get yourself some radium to find out. In the final products that Tesla showed they are very simple. Yes, he did use exotic materials in his testing. But really not necessary.

--giantkiller.

Here are what I think are two direct 'Hubbard' like attempts:

Paul Brown in 1989 http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&dq=4,835,433 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&dq=4,835,433)

QuoteWhen he discovered that 'The Moray Device and the Hubbard Coil were Nuclear Batteries' (published in Magnets in Your Future, March 1987)

William Barbat in 2006 http://www.google.com/patents?id=vI2XAAAAEBAJ&dq=william+barbat (http://www.google.com/patents?id=vI2XAAAAEBAJ&dq=william+barbat)

QuoteThe same year that the English translation of Leimer's paper appeared in Scientific American, 16-year old Alfred M. Hubbard of Seattle, Wash., reportedly invented a fuelless generator, which he later admitted employed radium. Applicant interprets this as implying that Leimer's energy-magnification was utilized by Hubbard with feedback to make it self-sustaining. Three years later Hubbard publicly demonstrated a relatively advanced fuelless generator that illuminated a 20-watt incandescent bulb (Anon. 1919a). A reputable physics professor from Seattle College, who was intimately familiar with Hubbard's device (but not at liberty to disclose its construction details), vouched for the integrity of the fuelless generator and declared that it was not a storage device, but he did not know why it worked (Anon. 1919b). Because Hubbard initially had no financial means of his own, it is likely the professor had provided Hubbard with the use of the expensive radium initially and thereby witnessed the inventing process in his own laboratory.

tak

Hubbard have also drived an car , that used 2 small antennas, and it was made with an smaller device as power generator.that will be possibly made with some smal radium or beta radiating probes ,
that -possibly- have- pumped to an big source,, if extarnal oszillations will be added) I belive that more and more, because i spend since 2002 any day  min 3 hours to see, learn, and collect informations. in this range of science. So i shown also here in OU to "learn"
GP

Quote from: giantkiller on December 04, 2008, 02:50:19 PM
@Pese,
Yes. I believe Radium was thrown in there to make it difficult and to confuse. I do not believe he used that at all. It would make an oscillator.
--giantkiller.

Es muy importante:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5417.msg122224#msg122224

This has to absorbed for the use of copper.

--giantkiller.

   I introduced the radium angle as not using the radium as a fuel but using the radium em wave energy to ionize gas in and around the spark gap.  Ultraviolet light or any other scource of an ionizing frequency generator could be used to stabilize the spark gap output frequency.   (Stanley Meyers lazers come to mind)  As I understand it to fuel the Hubbard motor it would have exhausted the entire world's supply of radium at the time.  The frequency of the output gap as GK says is a wide spectrum one.  With the addition of the radium there is more control of the plazma in the gap.  Therefore tuning a coil to the oscillations occuring in the gap becomes much easier.

i think i what i explained it may sync on its own and may be you speed it up i have had osc's in excess  600 volts..   constant for a while...  from 1 charge ....   could be my meter i suspose .....  lol

;)

but that dont explain the  moveing mangetic feild in my coil  :D  or the  sped up or down wave on my scope ...   ;D

ist

and i did not use anything special to do this ..... lol coil and a cap a power supply to control it once i started it i call this tuneing  ;D  speed it up and see what might come out   :)

Quote from: HEYDUDE on December 04, 2008, 02:45:38 PM
The specific claim made by Epiphany and others was that an "automobile distributor" was used as part of the Hubbard device.

I have not been able to find this claim in the old newspaper clippings. Perhaps a "rotating subcircuit" could be interpreted as a automobile distributor, but so could a ring counter or stepping relay.

For the sake of accuracy it would be helpful to refer only to the original texts, lest recent urban legends be transmuted into fact.

I might add that some of the photos used in the pdf's were much later (1970's) attempts at replication and are now being touted as actual Hubbard units.

Heydude, the diagram attached is the source of this speculation (which is what that was). I was trying imagine the method of stimulation Hubbard used.

IF (big if) it was an eight cylinder distributor, which normally distributes a (35 to 50kv dc) spark working from the center plug  to the 8 spark plug wire terminals around the circumference of the cap (by way of the rotor inside), then one could maybe imagine that he wired the eight plug wires common to the high voltage source and shot the spark out the center plug wire, giving him 8 sparks per distributor shaft rotation.

The claim is that there are only 4 wires to his coil setup. Two wires were presumably for the load, and two were for the stimulation and maybe feedback for the 8 coils. This one wire from the center plug wire of the distributor could have been connected to one of the 8 coils wires, with the other 8 coil wire returning to the high voltage supply return.

Hubbard had mentioned that his coil builders couldn't energize the coils, only he could.

So it seems to me that he probably delivered a constant high voltage (11.25 Kv), as very fast pulses, which he varied the timing of, by controlling the speed of the distributor shaft.

I could be totally out to lunch on this. I was seeing the variac as a potential speed control device for the motor spinning the distributor shaft.

It's also possible that the distributor rotor may have been modified to change the spark's duration or strength.

I apologize if I have misled anyone! I have no idea at all on how Hubbard did what he did. It just seems that it might be a Tesla-esque method: hit the coils with high voltage pulses at a speed that promotes self resonance (maybe)?

Quote from: epiphany on December 04, 2008, 09:46:37 PM
Heydude, the diagram attached is the source of this speculation (which is what that was). I was trying imagine the method of stimulation Hubbard used.

IF (big if) it was an eight cylinder distributor, which normally distributes a (35 to 50kv dc) spark working from the center plug  to the 8 spark plug wire terminals around the circumference of the cap (by way of the rotor inside), then one could maybe imagine that he wired the eight plug wires common to the high voltage source and shot the spark out the center plug wire, giving him 8 sparks per distributor shaft rotation.

The claim is that there are only 4 wires to his coil setup. Two wires were presumably for the load, and two were for the stimulation and maybe feedback for the 8 coils. This one wire from the center plug wire of the distributor could have been connected to one of the 8 coils wires, with the other 8 coil wire returning to the high voltage supply return.

Hubbard had mentioned that his coil builders couldn't energize the coils, only he could. 8)

So it seems to me that he probably delivered a constant high voltage (11.25 Kv), as very fast pulses, which he varied the timing of, by controlling the speed of the distributor shaft.

I could be totally out to lunch on this. I was seeing the variac as a potential speed control device for the motor spinning the distributor shaft.

It's also possible that the distributor rotor may have been modified to change the spark's duration or strength.

I apologize if I have misled anyone! I have no idea at all on how Hubbard did what he did. It just seems that it might be a Tesla-esque method: hit the coils with high voltage pulses at a speed that promotes self resonance (maybe)?

that may well be the case.....  :D ;)

ist 

i bet 2 wires are to start it and   then become antennas..... ;)

Epiphany

Thanks for your explanation. I first saw that photo you posted (Hubbard2.gif) in a book of  attempted free energy devices back in the mid to late 80's. As I recall, it was an attempted replication based on someones idea of how it might be done, not an actual Hubbard device.

Some of the meters and other parts are modern types and not available in Hubbards time period.

I will try to determine who the builders were if I can locate the book.

Thanks again

The center coil could also be in series, between the ignition coil and the distributor, causing a pair to be fired, the center one and one of the eight in a circular sequence.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: giantkiller on December 04, 2008, 11:49:33 PM
The center coil could also be in series, between the ignition coil and the distributor, causing a pair to be fired, the center one and one of the eight in a circular sequence.

--giantkiller.

All of the articles I read mentioned only 4 wires exposed though. I can't see how a single coil out of eight could be selected to fire with the center coil. Not saying that it couldn't be redesigned of course, but just staying with the original story...

Regards!

IMHO exactly the same principle was used in Tesla device powering his Pierce Arrow model car.

Just for reference purposes this device is found at FEG 5-35.
The devices mentioned there before this one have a lot in common with it too.

Hi,

Is there a good detailed photo of the Hubbard coil?

I think there's a reasonable chance it was a legit device, but he and his family/friends were merely threatened beyond his control, and merely gave up.  Regarding the Hubbard coil being legit, zpenergy.com says it well -->

Quote from zpenergy.com,
"Hubbard, when speaking to the press said the device generated 280A at 125V which is 35kW, or roughly equivalent to about 45HP. While claiming early on that his device drew it's energy from the atmosphere, later, Hubbard recanted, saying the device drew power from radioactive materials, rather from thin air, and that his earlier claims were subterfuge, intended to throw off anyone who might try to usurp his patent rights. If this is the case, Hubbard's device would be the most powerful nuclear battery ever created, and as early as 1919, easily making it the first."

This idea that Hubbard, who was said to have been broke, somehow obtained nuclear reactive material (enriched), and made the very first nuclear power source in history, is ridiculous. Some people have the hobby of finding uranium, but this natural occurring uranium is not enriched uranium, and is not going to be powering that 35KW motor! The idea is just absurd. To this day, very few countries can produce enriched uranium.

Thanks,
PL

Well surely T. Henry. Moray also used a radioactive detector in his setup, but the power was comming from the large antenna that Moray spun over a large lake to reflect the waves and pump the ionospheric resonance.
His device was putting out 50Kw.
It seems he was using the D- Layer of the ionosphere and if so the frequency would be right around +/- 5,5 Mhz.
Tesla and the pierce arrow also used antenna wires and also seems to run on cosmic radiation.

Marco

see the Grumpy doc. here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6192.400

Quote from: -[marco]- on December 29, 2008, 04:04:52 AM
Well surely T. Henry. Moray also used a radioactive detector in his setup, but the power was comming from the large antenna that Moray spun over a large lake to reflect the waves and pump the ionospheric resonance.
His device was putting out 50Kw.
It seems he was using the D- Layer of the ionosphere and if so the frequency would be right around +/- 5,5 Mhz.
Tesla and the pierce arrow also used antenna wires and also seems to run on cosmic radiation.

Marco

i dont beleave any radio active crap was used....  ever!!!!

MISLEADING INFO !!!  POURPOUSLY PLANTED

hey i  got an idea go grab that uraimium and smear it on your spark gap ... YEA that will cover it up confuse people and cause harm

WE ARE DEALING WITH POTIENCIALS ...  POS AND NEG   HOT AND COLD !!!!

ballanced  interchange ..... ;D

but ride down your own path  :P

i have found my own  8)

ist!

You innovation_station alias "William Filsinger" as i remember your name.
You should really educate youreself because it is a known fact that T.Henry.Moray grabbed some radioactive rocks out of a wagon that came out of a mining shaft.

You are unaware that most of the people have left this place because of you and your spamming actions.

If it was my decicion i would have you and all of your bullshit posts BANNED from this forum.

Marco.

go play with radio active shit ....  i dont need too!!!

lol

ist

hey did tesla play with garbage   NO!!!!!!

;D

@ marco are you not due to release another toy ..... :D  cant wate to PISS ON IT!!

hey marco  go waste another 50 000 lol

or take the advice given and buy a 3$ disposal cam unit  :P   

marco perhaps it is u that needs a little LEFT HANDED EDU..... ;)

Quote from: innovation_station on December 29, 2008, 09:55:13 AM
go play with radio active shit ....  i dont need too!!!

lol

ist

hey did tesla play with garbage   NO!!!!!!

;D

go shut up!!!  >:(

we don't need ur posts!!!!!  >:(

lol  8)

ur posts are useless!!!!....u don add anything to the threds!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-\

lol  ;)

Tesla used garbarge!!!!! many times!!!!!  :-*

he made capacitors from empty bottles!!!!!!!!!  :o

u go educate urself!!!!!!  >:(

lol  8)

m

Quotesee the Grumpy doc. here [link]

Thanks. Is the 3rd last image in the pdf an actual drawing from Hubbard?  So the outer cores are primaries, and the inner is the secondary.

PL

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMM

  @marco      lol  every time is  the same thing from you <<<<SHIT>>>>

IS NO GOOD FOR YOU  SAY LIKE THIS 

I LIKE TO ASK  ALL PEOPLE HERE  TO ASK YOU  WHERE IS YOU WORKING T.P.U  ;D ;D ;D

@INNOVATION   <<wiliam  >.is makeing  more  experiments   but is makeing <<<you NOTHING <<<NO GOOD THAT MAN   FOR YOU ARE DOING HERE >>  BUT OK

I KNOW  SURE THAT YOU WHILL NEVER MAKE WORKING T.P.U 
<,IS NOT  ALL FOR MONEY >.
IS IMPORTANT WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOU HAD <,MIND >NO MONEY  ???

Quote from: MACEDONIA  CD on December 30, 2008, 05:57:01 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMM

  @marco      lol  every time is  the same thing from you <<<<SHIT>>>>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MUST BE SURE REMEMBER??

LET OTHER PEOPLE DO ALL THE HARD WORK!

OHH OHH I HAVE NO MONEY I CAN ONLY BUY ONE BREAD AND MILK!!!

YOU CAN BUY ANYTHING YOU WANT!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Look here : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5144.msg146921#msg146921

Quote from: -[marco]- on December 31, 2008, 04:40:18 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MUST BE SURE REMEMBER??

LET OTHER PEOPLE DO ALL THE HARD WORK!

OHH OHH I HAVE NO MONEY I CAN ONLY BUY ONE BREAD AND MILK!!!

YOU CAN BUY ANYTHING YOU WANT!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

well sir go have a look at my pic    ............    :D

no way thats a 240 000 + w diode.........

;)

yea marco   you tell me !!!  lol!!   45 bucks ....   ;D

ist!!! ::) ::) :P

btw MARCO  YOU WANT TO TOSS MY NAME ROUND    i toss your TOYS.......   and say ....

if you were doing it correctly ....   you would not need the diode ;)

lol....  369 ;)  i bought this for the sole porpous of protecting my switchs....

Hubbard, Mcfarland, GK4, Searl.
The similiarities should be apparent like iron, 90 degree wraps or perimeter situated coils.

The McFarland is missing some connections. Alot is missing elsewhere here.

The Poynting vectors are now coupled correctly. The iron and steel equates to 2 transformers coupled at 90 degrees. The steel and copper equate to 2 parallel transformers. We now have voltage and current out.

There are blocking oscillators and stun gun circuitry in CFL drivers.

--giantkiller.

Got to add these iron bundles of garden wire.
In the design document he uses gold which is not magentic.

Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2008, 01:51:28 PM
Hubbard, Mcfarland, GK4, Searl.
The similiarities should be apparent like iron, 90 degree wraps or perimeter situated coils.

The McFarland is missing some connections. Alot is missing elsewhere here.

The Poynting vectors are now coupled correctly. The iron and steel equates to 2 transformers coupled at 90 degrees. The steel and copper equate to 2 parallel transformers. We now have voltage and current out.

There are blocking oscillators and stun gun circuitry in CFL drivers.

--giantkiller.

Yes,McFarland patent pictures have some missing connections, mostly all main circuit is deleted. ;D
But if your read this patent carefully you will realize that others do no use electric current flowing in that circuit at all ! That circuit must remain closed , because it is a generator, and only magnetic field is used when properly shaped into vortex and when the way to use positive feedback is found with proper shunt to disallow an explosion mentioned by Steven Mark.

Let me cite the most important and omitted fragment from MCFarland patent :
"The alternate changes of the iron cores or magnets may be used for producing electro-magnetic motion, or motion to a wheel of any suitable device"

BINGO! It's a special kind of Faraday unipolar generator we are looking for! with magnetic field rotating instead of copper disc.

Here is a file which has some interesting information about Hubbard Generator:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14070044/Free-Energy-Hubbard-Coil

WONDERFUL!  Now it's clear that Hubbard coil and TPU and probably a lot of devices are based on the same principle. Let electrons flow on surface in wave state and recombine later into hard electrons particles. Secondary emmision and speed up by Earth magnetic field.

Quote from: forest on January 02, 2009, 04:10:12 AM
BINGO! It's a special kind of Faraday unipolar generator we are looking for! with magnetic field rotating instead of copper disc.

witch one would it be ?

Quotemagnet         disk           external indicating circuit      voltage indicated?
stationary         stationary          stationary                           no
stationary          rotating             stationary                          yes
stationary          stationary          rotating                            yes
stationary             rotating           rotating                           undetermined
rotating            stationary            stationary                        no
rotating                rotating            stationary                       yes
rotating               stationary          rotating                          yes
rotating               rotating              rotating                          undetermined

My own current thinking is around resonating the position of  bloch wall in a magnetic circuit.
By fluctuating and resonating the position of the bloch wall, etheric energy is manipulated into action.
Then it is the matter of collecting the energy produced.
A wire carrying current generates a magnetic field. By wrapping the coil bifilarly we create a bloch wall which we can have control over.

I need to do some basic experiments. I remember an experiment in which the similar poles of two magnets were pushed together and a coil was wrapped over them with a DC motor in series, connected to a DC source. I can't remember what happened next!

I remember a comment by Steven Marks about moving a magnet across thin wires.... ( Don't shoot me if I am wrong). Hubbard uses thin steel wires, so does Stan Meyer.

Quote from: TheNOP on April 08, 2009, 12:40:12 PM
witch one would it be ?

probably the last one, but in fact we must think about it from other point of view - what is electron really and thus what is electricity

Quote from: AhuraMazda on April 08, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
My own current thinking is around resonating the position of  bloch wall in a magnetic circuit.
By fluctuating and resonating the position of the bloch wall, etheric energy is manipulated into action.
Then it is the matter of collecting the energy produced.
A wire carrying current generates a magnetic field. By wrapping the coil bifilarly we create a bloch wall which we can have control over.

I need to do some basic experiments. I remember an experiment in which the similar poles of two magnets were pushed together and a coil was wrapped over them with a DC motor in series, connected to a DC source. I can't remember what happened next!

I remember a comment by Steven Marks about moving a magnet across thin wires.... ( Don't shoot me if I am wrong). Hubbard uses thin steel wires, so does Stan Meyer.

"By fluctuating and resonating the position of the bloch wall, etheric energy is manipulated into action."

I agree with you ...... probably you like Kunel device:

www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

The trick in the coils   ;D

Quote from: AhuraMazda on April 08, 2009, 08:02:05 AM
Here is a file which has some interesting information about Hubbard Generator:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14070044/Free-Energy-Hubbard-Coil

much better:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13491267/Some-Free-Energy-Devices-eBook

Quote from: AhuraMazda on April 08, 2009, 08:02:05 AM
Here is a file which has some interesting information about Hubbard Generator:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14070044/Free-Energy-Hubbard-Coil

@everyone,
Here's another link to the same file, from Reply #'312 & #318:

http://www.rexreserch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm

>>This Overunity.com site also has independent information equal or better than the Rexresearch information.

--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok

Quote from: AhuraMazda on April 08, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
My own current thinking is around resonating the position of  bloch wall in a magnetic circuit.
By fluctuating and resonating the position of the bloch wall, etheric energy is manipulated into action.
Then it is the matter of collecting the energy produced.
A wire carrying current generates a magnetic field. By wrapping the coil bifilarly we create a bloch wall which we can have control over.

I need to do some basic experiments. I remember an experiment in which the similar poles of two magnets were pushed together and a coil was wrapped over them with a DC motor in series, connected to a DC source. I can't remember what happened next!

I remember a comment by Steven Marks about moving a magnet across thin wires.... ( Don't shoot me if I am wrong). Hubbard uses thin steel wires, so does Stan Meyer.

By Sparks suggestion I used steel too. You get a controllable core, magamp, bloch wall, and very high acceptance rate of energy. And the biggie is a magfield that is acceptable of other mag fields at any angle.

Look at when a Tesla coil is fired from the bottom and releases energy out of the top. A vertically moving bloch wall? :o

--giantkiller.

Quote from: giantkiller on January 01, 2009, 10:08:24 PM
Got to add these iron bundles of garden wire.
In the design document he uses gold which is not magentic.

Don't forget that much garden is not iron, but mild steel. And the old
fashioned weldiong rods are hard to find. What is made out of iron?
Paul-R

Quote from: Paul-R on September 27, 2009, 09:02:47 AM
Don't forget that much garden is not iron, but mild steel. And the old
fashioned weldiong rods are hard to find. What is made out of iron?
Paul-R

Building construction reinforcing rod(rebar, in America) is made of soft cast iron.  Very common as trash in short lengths, especially around construction sites.

--Lee

Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 27, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
Building construction reinforcing rod(rebar, in America) is made of soft cast iron.  Very common as trash in short lengths, especially around construction sites.
--Lee

I wonder if you are right. This reinforcing is to make concrete take tension. I would
have thought steel is needed. Iron would crack under tension.

I shall have to find some and test it ability to shed magnetism

Paul-R said:

Quote
I would have thought steel is needed.

A lot is used, so adding cost with special alloys would be counterproductive in terms of expense.

Quote
...Iron would crack under tension.

I've seen it bend pretty easily in long lengths on the ground.  Short lengths are used because shorter lengths are inherently stiffer.

Quote
I shall have to find some and test it ability to shed magnetism

You could find some and make a transformer out of it.
Please keep in mind:  ferro-resonant silico-steel is deliberately used in transformers because it doesn't get as hot as pure iron by excessive magnetic flux.  And it still works okay in the meantime.

--Lee

Why not use soft iron to make a copy of original signal just shifted in phase of 90 degrees ? Why not send it around shifting around in circle to produce big kick ? what is going on with electric current if it pass along wire which is going on across magnetic shield ?

Quote from: forest
quote]
...what is going on with electric current if it pass along wire which is going on across magnetic shield ?

@forest
I would have to go and look later to be sure, but I have a basic electronic book at home that has a graphic showing when an AC current is applied to a wire, the current and magnetic field are 90deg. out of phase with each other in the wire.
Sorry, a disclaimer:
I have no way to upload and drawing or picture from a borrowed computer where I live, or I'd show you when I find out.  But, if I find the reference, I can only cite it.

--Lee

sorry you misunderstood.magnetic shield acts on current
simply : current flowing around soft magnetic material causes magnetization up to the saturation then if current is removed magnetic material release magnetic field as electric current into nearby wire

what if in conductor there is AC flowing first above magnetic shield then to the place under it ? AC causes saturation of shield but it's also flowing further, at zero AC crossing ,magnetic shield release energy as echo signal shifted in time comparing to original.This echo signal looks like noise because it probably is generated in AC direction and agaisnt it also (both directions)

Does this process alone TAKES ENERGY FROM ORIGINAL SIGNAL ?????

And what is going on later ?

I presume that echo signal flowing in opposite direction nullify with original signal if we are able to shift it 180 or 360 degrees or any other to match original signal.The echo flowing in direction of original signal replace now original signal EXCEPT IT IS MOVED IN PLACE due to phase shifts.
The results imho is rotating AC current in other words AC which is continuously moving phase.
Maybe there is something to accumulate effect and if there is something to make this AC not symmetric (for example positive a little bit stronger then negative part of AC) then result is DC. If symmetry is full then it looks like high frequency AC probably.

End of crazy ideas :P

Doesn't sound crazy to me!

Quote from: forest on October 07, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
sorry you misunderstood.magnetic shield acts on current
simply : current flowing around soft magnetic material causes magnetization up to the saturation then if current is removed magnetic material release magnetic field as electric current into nearby wire

what if in conductor there is AC flowing first above magnetic shield then to the place under it ? AC causes saturation of shield but it's also flowing further, at zero AC crossing ,magnetic shield release energy as echo signal shifted in time comparing to original.This echo signal looks like noise because it probably is generated in AC direction and agaisnt it also (both directions)

Does this process alone TAKES ENERGY FROM ORIGINAL SIGNAL ?????

And what is going on later ?

I presume that echo signal flowing in opposite direction nullify with original signal if we are able to shift it 180 or 360 degrees or any other to match original signal.The echo flowing in direction of original signal replace now original signal EXCEPT IT IS MOVED IN PLACE due to phase shifts.
The results imho is rotating AC current in other words AC which is continuously moving phase.
Maybe there is something to accumulate effect and if there is something to make this AC not symmetric (for example positive a little bit stronger then negative part of AC) then result is DC. If symmetry is full then it looks like high frequency AC probably.

End of crazy ideas :P

Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 29, 2008, 12:09:11 AM

Is there a good detailed photo of the Hubbard coil?

There is a fair amount of detail in Patrick's Chapter 5
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf
but the particulars are sketchy.

As I see it, the design of the secondaries fixes the primary since they
are all meant to be touching.

AWG-4 is a tall order. It is nearer to copper rod than copper wire.
I shall begin with 10mm earth cable as used on building sites.

Understanding the Hubbard coil isn't much more difficult than understanding a spring. Leedscalnin PMH places a negative potential on an inductor and as such, loads the spring. This removes back EMF from the circuit since it is now push pull instead of just pull.

The center inductor just moves the 8 surrounding step up coils which creates and collapses a magnetic field faster than it could normally. The pick up coil surrounds the can.

The reason that he had to strike a wire against a plate for ten minutes to get it started was most likely because he needed to get the two sections balanced - trial and error. The Leedscalnin PMH appears to be the basis of a whole bunch of FE devices.

The light bulb could have been a variable resistor such as the regenerative amp light bulb in series with the center coil which would parallel the outer pickup coil which would have been in series with the load. The other possibility for the light bulb would be to keep the pre-loaded coils loaded  - remember Meyer's electron extraction circuit?

The pre-loaded coils without all that nasty resistance and back EMF would accelerate and thus square the output - so 400% OU minus losses would put it around 300% OU as reported. E=MC2

I'm going to take a stab at building this bad boy.

There's a snag with Hubbard. Iron tube is pretty much unobtainable.
And too many suppliers don't know the difference between iron
and steel. Even wrought iron is often steel.

Does anyone knopw where to get iron tube?

Paul-R

How can we distinguish  them ?

Quote from: forest on January 04, 2011, 01:34:04 PM
Paul-R

How can we distinguish  them ?

Why would you bother. The properties of the inductor are what matter, not what it is made of.

Secondly, to suggest the Hubbard coil would be impossible without cast iron is silly. Hubbard appeared to use welding rods in his inductors from the photos.

The term iron is used pretty loosely. Steel is 100% iron with a carbon treatment.

If the Hubbard coil is magnetic in any way, why the distributor?  Sounds like he was applying some HV to each of the outer coils sequentially.

Any mention of a static magnetic field in this device, or a car battery to start it?  Ah- ha! striking the cores!

Quote from: sigma16 on January 04, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
If the Hubbard coil is magnetic in any way, why the distributor?  Sounds like he was applying some HV to each of the outer coils sequentially.

Any mention of a static magnetic field in this device, or a car battery to start it?  Ah- ha! striking the cores!

Oh, it's you Grumpy. You're back like a bar slut with a drug resistant strain of the clap. Miss me? :-)

Drunken bar slut said:

QuoteIf the Hubbard coil is magnetic in any way, why the distributor?  Sounds like he was applying some HV to each of the outer coils sequentially.

You need a inductive element for the supercurrent to exist in and the spark gap is probably used to charge up (accelerate) the supercurrent. That would be my guess if the distributor was there at all.

I have doing a bit of research on this subject today and think I will have to pass on the Hubbard build for now. Barbat seems to be the only authority on this subject willing to disclose.

http://www.levitronicsenergy.com/science.htm

I love this quote since he is alluding to my statement that electricity is a result of mass to atomic energy conversion:

Barbat said:

QuoteThis overlooked energy source can be harnessed by knowing that inductive energy is not conveyed by magnetic lines of force but by directional photon energy.

Barbat also states that the center coil acts like a radio transmit antenna which I agree.

I also think Barbat missed a much easier method to accomplish his objective. Lead tartrate and Iron would have to be two of the cheaper things on the planet. Resonate the iron at 21.5MHZ and I think the subsequent BETA emission would give you something interesting.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20100304976.pdf

Here is another quote from Barbat which validates what I have been preaching to deaf ears:

"Because LMEs accelerate faster than normal electrons, they radiate extra energy from any acceleration they receive. Larmor (1) showed that photon energy radiates from a moving charge in proportion to the square of its acceleration. Superconductors, with an electron mass 1/10,000 that of normal electrons (2) are accelerated 10,000 times faster than normal, so the centripetal acceleration of a supercurrent around a closed superconducting coil gives off a calculated 10,000 X 10,000 = 100,000,000 times more energy (acceleration squared) than is used to charge up the supercurrent ."


E=MC2
E=MC2
E=MC2

Quote from: forest on January 04, 2011, 01:34:04 PM
Paul-R

How can we distinguish  them ?

It is difficult.

Iron does not rust very much. It can be found as fence posts installed between
the wars, and is not made much these days. Lab suppliers can deliver at fabulous
cost. Sometimes used in rod form for welding.

If you came across a big enough supply, you could make a rig based on a coil
magnetising a sample in the form of a core. Iron sheds its magnetism quickly
whereas steel does not (which is a crucial property, of course).

Tubes used today by plumbers are steel or iron ?

Sir Buzz
You have no idea how hard it was for this "Pin head" not to Bite that bait!

Good to see you sir!
I don't know if we have enough room for Two Craniums that size?

Band width issues!

Wow!!,
You've achieved Omnipotence!,A supreme being!!
Elite ,even!!
Chet

Quote from: quarktoo on January 05, 2011, 02:09:21 AM

Oh, it's you Grumpy. You're back like a bar slut with a drug resistant strain of the clap. Miss me? :-)

Drunken bar slut said:
You need a inductive element for the supercurrent to exist in and the spark gap is probably used to charge up (accelerate) the supercurrent. That would be my guess if the distributor was there at all.

I have doing a bit of research on this subject today and think I will have to pass on the Hubbard build for now. Barbat seems to be the only authority on this subject willing to disclose.

http://www.levitronicsenergy.com/science.htm

I love this quote since he is alluding to my statement that electricity is a result of mass to atomic energy conversion:

Barbat said:
Barbat also states that the center coil acts like a radio transmit antenna which I agree.

I also think Barbat missed a much easier method to accomplish his objective. Lead tartrate and Iron would have to be two of the cheaper things on the planet. Resonate the iron at 21.5MHZ and I think the subsequent BETA emission would give you something interesting.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20100304976.pdf

Here is another quote from Barbat which validates what I have been preaching to deaf ears:

"Because LMEs accelerate faster than normal electrons, they radiate extra energy from any acceleration they receive. Larmor (1) showed that photon energy radiates from a moving charge in proportion to the square of its acceleration. Superconductors, with an electron mass 1/10,000 that of normal electrons (2) are accelerated 10,000 times faster than normal, so the centripetal acceleration of a supercurrent around a closed superconducting coil gives off a calculated 10,000 X 10,000 = 100,000,000 times more energy (acceleration squared) than is used to charge up the supercurrent ."


E=MC2
E=MC2
E=MC2

If you built half of the crap you talk about, you would know that your drunken slurs about "mass to energy conversion" are incorrect.  Loser Wannabe.  Kudos on the Troll Site.  Nice to know you love us so much.

                        WOW a dust up?
                   A steel cage match?
                Its not even friday![not good ].
    An Unsanctioned,  ladders tables and chairs!
                     No holds barred event??
                                Chet

The most important for me was article where Hubbard said something about Hendershot device. He had stated that Hendershot copied his own device.

Quote from: Paul-R on January 05, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
It is difficult.

Iron does not rust very much. It can be found as fence posts installed between
the wars, and is not made much these days. Lab suppliers can deliver at fabulous
cost. Sometimes used in rod form for welding.

If you came across a big enough supply, you could make a rig based on a coil
magnetising a sample in the form of a core. Iron sheds its magnetism quickly
whereas steel does not (which is a crucial property, of course).

How about black sand and some epoxy resin?

Dragging a magnet around in about any soil will yield black sand. Place that in a thrift shop blender to break it down (it shatters nicely) then use a magnet to get the good stuff. Mix it into an epoxy paste and align it with a magnet while it cures. I think at that point you have what amounts to a ferrite rod.

That statement made about how iron does not "hold its magnetisim" is correct. It is the permanency property of an inductor. Ever notice that the laminates of a core also do not have much permanency? It has more to do with how the steel is made than what it is composed of. It is all made from IRON but the grain is prevented from growing in electrical steel.

Amidon makes ferrite rods and could give you something that best mimics Iron.

https://www.amidoncorp.com/categories/6

I still can't believe your here??
Like a reincarnation on steroids!!

Sad about the Birds and the fish,couldn't they have started with Cockroaches and Liberals?[Liberals = a state of mind not ethnicity]

Anyhow I have to go out to the store now and get more "Depends".

Chet

SOooooo.....
Elite guys always build stuff!!
Watcha gonna build??

A responce to the Barbat patent thread at poynts place,
user "itworks" [first and only post thus far]

Quote.
Chet, the name is Joseph Larmor. Larmor, J. 1897. "On the Theory of Magnetic Influence of Spectra; and on the Radiation From Moving Ions." Phil. Mag 63:503-512.
Larmor showed that photon energy is radiated from a moving charge in proportion to the square of the charge's acceleration. Thus, a charge of lower mass, e.g. a low-mass electron, accelerates more quickly than one of "normal" mass, and therefore radiates proportionally more energy for the same inductive force.
---------------------------------------------

Quote from: forest on January 05, 2011, 08:56:10 AM
Tubes used today by plumbers are steel or iron ?

Steel; actually more likely to be plastic or copper.

There is a firm selling piling material for making
building foundations but they can't be bothered
to answer my emails.

Well sorry you can't read posts at poynts place,
However, this man has an opinion on "How This Works"!!

From Here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=457.msg8818;topicseen#msg8818

User "itworks"
Quote:
Chet, I believe Larmor's equation forms the basis for Barbat's work. The main shifts of paradigm are 1) We have to accept that low "effective" mass electrons actually are lower mass than normal. They have been observed for decades doing things that indicate they have lower mass. But because they tend to look like they are producing more energy out than in, and people are convinced that is impossible, they have made up other "relativistic" explanations for their behavior, and called them low "effective" mass, meaning "it looks like it's low mass, but we don't believe it."

The second paradigm shift Barbat is responsible for is the rejection of Helmholtz's famous claim that Newton's laws of thermodynamics applied to electrodynamics and magnetic energy. Barbat has gone through Helmholtz's original paper of 1847 that was presented to - and rejected by - the Berlin Society of Physicists. Helmholtz went on to self-publish the paper, with the disingenuous claim that it had been "read before" the Society, and he won all kinds of awards from royalty for it. However, it was based on flawed science, and Barbat has gone through it carefully and shown exactly why it was incorrect. But, as some of Barbat's writings say, Helmholtz did get something right: If forces exist which are not in line with each other, (which now we know induction and magnetic force not to be in-line), then there exists the possibility for infinite gain or loss of energy. TRUE. Helmholtz just assumed that all forces were in-line, so this situation wouldn't exist.

Think about it. An electron continually circles around a photon, without falling to the center or falling off. No one puts energy into it to make it do that; it just goes all the time. Additionally, that electron constantly emits energy and mass in the form of photons. No one is putting fuel in or material, yet out comes energy and mass, constantly. That fact in itself shows that we're nuts if we don't think there's infinite energy out there.

Barbat's genius lies in his willingness to accept that Hubbard's generator did what the reporters said it did, rather than poo-pooing it because it was unexplainable at the time. If it did work, then there had to be something wrong with our accepted version of the law of conservation of energy. So he went back through about two centuries of original papers, from Newton, Ampere, Gauss, Helmholtz, Maxwell, even Einstein, Bohr, you name it. And it was at Helmholtz where the science went haywire, he shows.

The other breakthrough Barbat made was realizing why Hendershot couldn't make his generator work when he tried again around 1960: Copper wire was now shiny, and lacked the cupric oxide coating of old wire. Knowing that, I believe Barbat could have revived the Hubbard and Hendershot type of generators, except that radium is no longer available in the quantities they worked with in the 1920s. So Barbat started looking into other photoconductors that are mentioned in his patent, as they require wavelengths more easily obtainable.

"Low mass electrons" just means that electrons have a low mass as compared to particles with greater mass.  Someone misinterpreted this, as meaning that there is some form of electron with a lower mass than other electrons, and now everyone is jumping on board the "ship of fools".

Quote from: TheBuzz on January 05, 2011, 02:46:45 PM
I often wondered if this was related to Hubbard.

http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/mirrors/jnaudin.free.fr/html/mmcgen.htm

I feel the only safe free energy device would be a magnetic device such as that.

Back in Hubbards day, 21MHZ would have been a very high frequency but it could have been reached through harmonics produced by heterdyne.

One the flip side, Hubbard does not appear to have a cooling system on his transformer and it will get very hot. Although I saw someone write something about the cables getting hot going to the transformer and the transformer had huge wires coming from it.

You will note that the patent calls for "soft iron" and I suspect that this is because it has permanency. The permanency would produce friction as the domains resist change and this friction could cascade electrons from the FE56

NOTE that the Hubbard coil in the boat photo has four wires going to it. Two to activate the process and two to remove the energy the coil produced.

Why the step up voltage and closed loop coils? Higher voltage means higher tension. The higher the tension the higher the velocity of the current. The higher the velocity, the more mass is extracted from the inductor through centrifugal force and subsequently more current flows into the coil.

The light being introduced into Barbat's patent is used to remove electrons from the coil similar to Meyer's laser ozone generator or air gas processor as Meyer called it. In reality, it was an laser accelerator or something along those lines.

NOTE the 4 wires just like the drawing Hubbard made: Unless two of those are water hoses for cooling..

Are you smoking crack again, Buzz?  Man, you gotta lay off that stuff!  It's addictive!

Looks like more than four wires in this picture.  You can not see where they go or how they are connected, but they look like they go to the motor.  Where are the oscillator and transformer?

The drawing has two wires at one end (output?) and several wires at the other end - looks like at least eight wires.

The radium was used on the spark plugs to get a faster gap breakdown.  You can do the same with a UV source.

Quote from: TheBuzz on January 05, 2011, 07:34:49 PM
I noted the output coil which is plainly visible - 2 wires. The other end has 4 wires showing.

So... 2 + 4 = 6

Still learning math from that 3rd world alternative high school physics site? I seem to recall you getting sideways with the American Troll Society (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/) for that.

Four wires are plainly visible running in parallel from the coil towards the motor. There may be two more wires visible coming from the left side of the transformer. (2 large and 2 small)

As for the rest of your rant, 3rd world eye doctor as well? Lens Crafters is having a two for one sale - Two pairs of glasses for the price of one! Too drunk to see straight? Look on the bright side, now you have as much street cred as IST.

Hope that helps! :)  BitchSlap!

Stop slapping yourself, it's a sign of insanity, or are you just feenin' for hit of the pipe?

It could easily be 6 or 8 wires between the motor and the generator.  Are you gonna tell me those are shadows?  Crackheads can't count, as you have just proven.

In the pic of the coil itself, it is hand-drawn, and the one end has at least 8 strands.

I see you have no comment on the spark gap, no comment on the magnetized cores, no comment on the distributor and HV supply...

Here's you arse back again, Trollboy.

This image is from the same source as the one that shows both ends of the coil assembly, dumbass TrollBABY!

I doubt anyone would have drawn the frayed insulation on the wires at one end of the coil and not the other, Troll-sex-toy-wannabe.

8-cylinder distributor - 8 outer coils - rotates a field, TrollBABY.

Where did you get this Fe atomic crap anyway?  NMR freaks and all that crap?  You are to dumb to make that crap up.  Your handlers must have spoon fed it up your arse.  Your handlers should be proud of the insane idiot that you have become.  They sure know how to pick 'em...TrollBABY

TheBuzz

You are right. This bad quality image is probably far far younger then from 1919. It appear to be a later replication attempt. Interesting why they spoiled photos.

SSOOoooooo...............

It works like this.............

No it works like that----------------

No No No It works like This.........................

Why,, an arguement like this could go to "Infinity and beyond"[BUZZ]

Or you could just Hold your breath until he says you're right
{Grumpy]
Like little Kids!

Yes you TOO fight like brothers having a rough time with sibbling rivalry.

But there is one thing that is self evident,you agree

                              iTWORKS

Chet
PsForest,
yes the pics are very poor quality.my eyes are still bleeding from trying to tell WTHeck they're fighting over?

The story goes that this man Hubbard was given this
"HOW TO DO" by an Angel.

The story also goes he died A drunk pennyless.

Perhaps the Angel didn't give it to Hubbard for a boat ride
Perhaps He gave it to Us ?
For the men on these few pages of cyberspace to put the pieces together to bring about the change.................

                           

Quote from: TheBuzz on January 06, 2011, 10:21:47 AM
Forest,

One is a sketch and the other a photo from 90 years ago. Nothing nefarious going on, that was just the technology of the day and subsequent scan.

Barbat is a smart guy that did his homework and he probably knows what he is talking about. There is no evidence of Grumpy's "rotating fields" or whatever that was all about. Grumpy / Sigma16 is IST without the smiley faces.

Yes the photo and sketch are different, but both have the ring of 8 coils and one in the center.  The thought that the oputput coil can be inside and/or outside the 8-coils probably escaped your thoughts because you are such a smart ASS.

Barbat is as confused by terminology as you are.  Rather than enlighten assholes like you, I prefer to leave you in the dark, with the wondrous smell of your perpetual BS.

You prove your idiocy beyond a doubt by ASSuming every purported OU device actually works and that it works because of this bogus idea about mass to energy conversion.  Most don't work at all, and the trick is to use the mass, not convert it.

I havnt read this thread in detail but am I missing something here?
"
Driven By Radium

In 1919 Hubbard represented the apparatus as being capable of extracting electrical energy directly from the air, but he admitted yesterday that this had been merely a subterfuge to protect his patent rights, and that, as a matter of fact, it had been a device for extracting electrical energy from radium, by means of a series of transformers which stepped up the rays.

He declined to go into detail in regard to the exact manner in which he managed to extract power from radium -- but said that, so far as he had been able to determine, there was no great difference between the Detroit machine and his.

"I never heard of this Lester J. Hendershot, the Pittsburgh electrical engineer who is demonstrating the motor", Hubbard said, "but it must be remembered that I worked on the invention for two years in Pittsburgh -- in 1921 and 1922. It was a Dr. Greenslade who represented the people who were financing me at the time -- but, of course, if the people who bought out most of my interest in the invention were to bring it out as their own machinery, they would probably do it through a man with whom I had never worked. I was employed by the radium Chemical Company at the time I was working in Pitsburgh".

My intuition tells me that :

1) There was no radium inside Hubbard device
2) The source of both Hubbard and Hendershot devices are THE SAME ; be it angels or whatever (maybe Tesla?)

from above I conclude that this device worked like a modified DC or AC motor-generator and we have one patent very near to the solution yet not exactly the same : Alexander patent US3913004
It can generate up to 3 times more output then input so I believe it can be routed back to self-power itself via large diode bridge

Well,
When I spoke to William Barbat last month,That was the biggest question ,and perhaps the only reason I called.

Was there any isotope, radiation etc........ Required?

ABSOLUTELY NOT !!
End of story ........................

Chet

Quote from: TheBuzz on January 06, 2011, 10:59:49 AM
We are all missing something. Sigma16 claim he knows all about these free energy devices yet has never built anything, demonstrated anything or disclosed anything.

Who knows what is true or what Hubbard really said (if anything) or if he was telling the truth. Ya just learn what you can, and take a stab at it on a bench.

For me, since I don't know enough about the subject to invent something original, I look for patterns. There are only so many ways to do something and I am sure many of these guys were doing the same thing different ways.

For example the mutual inductance of the Cook patent and the coils of the Hubbard coil are the same and that is mighty interesting to me. Cook predated radium but had cu oxide wire. Barbet probably knows what he is talking about.

I never claimed to know about all OU devices, but I have learned to spot the ones that are probably BS.  I have demonstrated very important things, which everyone dismissed because they thought they knew better.  So be it.

For Barbat's thing you need the salmon-colored cuprous oxide not the black one (copper oxide) that is on wire that has been exposed to air. 

http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/rr-cu-diode.htm

SOoooo.,
Grumpy

How come you can't try to login as Grumpy?
If the Buzz got his wings back?This new name stuff stinks!
Maybe Stefan did the Chinese clean slate new year thingy?


Try it..............

Chet

Quote from: TheBuzz on January 06, 2011, 06:44:00 PM
Re: Alexander patent US3913004

Here you go with links:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat3913004.pdf

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=lYA3AAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:3913004&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=10




This one is a referenced sub-patent; about as easy to understand:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Wog9AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

--Lee

Quote from: TheBuzz on January 07, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
Hey Lee,

It looks to me like Hubbard was using a 8 pole motor then? Lots of torque would be perfect for an old boat. If Hubbard didn't patent it, there may be a patent that predated 1920 which would make it pretty fair game for commercial sales.

I haven't looked at the motor much, but the coil was probably wired in series and the power takeoff was from the center coil:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14070044/Free-Energy-Hubbard-Coil
(pg. 38 of this mss)

Some of the pictures in the book are better, but smaller, than what is usually found concerning Hubbard's work.  And, was it said elsewhere or not?  Kapanadze-replicated devices can fairly often have a coil arrangement that reminds me of Hubbard.

Quote
Without oil, we don't need Northup Grumman's bombs and planes and Grumpy/Sigma16 would have to find a job doing something productive that doesn't involve polluting the Earth and slaughtering the innocents. He could start by not polluting this forum with his disinformation.

Yeah, I see.  My idea is that they have the guns and law on their side.  Karen Silkwood was a whistleblower.

--Lee

IMHO someone living in Seattle could find a trace of Hubbard device and maybe even sketches. He said that mechanist build a number of his coils for him, they only didn't knew how to start it.
Beside there is maybe an archive of old photo negatives from 1920 done for local newspapers that time.

Hubbard coil?

These are series of parallel kickers with secondaries!


and you know what?

#22awg can be match with #4awg and its a nice match!


;D

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on January 08, 2011, 06:12:28 AM
Hubbard coil?

These are series of parallel kickers with secondaries!


and you know what?

#22awg can be match with #4awg and its a nice match!


;D

Tito welcome !  ;D

Two questions:

1. Do you think there was also inner coil on steel/iron pipe and outer coil around all 8 coils ?
2. If there was Tesla coil based then how do you think was lenz law eliminated ? I presume that energy was routed around in one direction only because Hendershot device was similar as stated by Hubbard  and run at stable speed always in direction opposite to the Earth rotation.

I have also a strong tendency to think about Hubbard device like about induction motor but one thing is wrong - coils are in wrong relation to internal rotor to have rotating magnetic field influence on it. They should be a right angle to the rotor I think to make center coil as a overloaded rotor.

Forrest
Quote:,
IMHO someone living in Seattle could find a trace of Hubbard device and maybe even sketches
------------------
That would be NICE!!

@Saint Buzz
Can you give me ONE relative of Cater??[PM]

I will make the call [or as many calls as required]and report back!

Chet
PS
Teetsla  >  ;D<
still a handsome guy, Did you lose some weight?

                   




                                                     .

Hey Chet,

I just got a PM from TheBuzz. Apparently he was offended that you would ask him to do your leg work. TheBuzz does not think that the Hubbard coil is something that people should be playing with and that it would be better if people focused on canceling Lentz law with the compression / acceleration techniques which are safer and will still bear good fruit.

Here is part of what Saint Buzz wrote:

Quote"Saint Buzz is not an errand boy to be sent collecting the relatives of a dead scientist. I shall now ascend into the heavens to bath in the golden rays that emanate from my six overunity.com golden stars."

TheBuzz went on to mention that:

QuoteSaint Buzz is offended that the Grumpy fruit of Satan's loin has more golden stars in his heavens. You took a worthless golden star away from Saint Buzz a year ago. An act which Saint Buzz has not forgotten.

He finished by stating that he made 777 dead turtle doves fall from the sky over Italy (http://www.thirdage.com/news/birds-drop-dead-northern-italy-700-turtle-doves-found-so-far_1-8-2011) as a sign of his contempt along with a large earthquake which will occur on Jan.22 2011. (heaven time)

Look like he made good on the doves - Yikes! I would take that as a credible threat. My advice is let him chill for a while since he is busy making coil forms in heaven. I have his number if something important comes up.

If you look at those Hubbard photos, you see one coil with a distributor cap and one coil that does not appear to have it. Whether or not is was needed was probably dependant on what you want to power with it. I think this is a giant clue - The photo with the distributor was powering a resistive load - (heater).

The boat photo does not show the distributor but the motor with 8 poles could have easily had the HV coils wound on them to do the work of the distributor and HV power supply so it would not be needed.

I suspect the two big hose size wires actually had 8 wires each in them since Hubbard probably didn't want to fry himself with high voltage wires laying in the bottom of a wet boat.

Me thinks the shorted coil trick of Thane Heins is a better way to go than Hubbard since Thane's work is simple enough that anyone can do it now, is proven to increase efficiency and is safe. Thane Heins has a good workable solution once you go beyond the pulse motor IMHO.

Quarktoo
Yikes is right [those poor birds].
Please tell Saint Buzz I was not trying to be slack in my duties! I thought perhaps by some chance he might have a phone number ,or even a clue? as you well know I am Clueless !
And of course he is SSOOOooooo much better than me at researching these matters.[finding peeps].

On another note ,His Wisdom is also greatly appreciated,
choosing a venue for OU that is "Safe".He really does love us.
Makes me warm and fuzzy [but so does the Cat sometimes,I hope he doesn't ever do a Cat kill [Yikes}]

His Humble [and presently doing NOTHING [for OU]]
Servant

Chet

Quote from: ramset on January 09, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
Quarktoo
Yikes is right [those poor birds].
Please tell Saint Buzz I was not trying to be slack in my duties! I thought perhaps by some chance he might have a phone number ,or even a clue? as you well know I am Clueless !
And of course he is SSOOOooooo much better than me at researching these matters.[finding peeps].

On another note ,His Wisdom is also greatly appreciated,
choosing a venue for OU that is "Safe".He really does love us.
Makes me warm and fuzzy [but so does the Cat sometimes,I hope he doesn't ever do a Cat kill [Yikes}]

His Humble [and presently doing NOTHING [for OU]]
Servant

Chet

I don't know how he feels about cats but I do know that he wears a cologne called "Bloody Puppy Entrails" invented by OmniBus. TheBuzz loves puppies!
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-wanted-list.html

No clue of Cater and losing interest on the Hubbard coil. I did learn a few things in the process of searching and that is always the objective of the shakedown game.

I read Caters book and he clearly had a bent with academic science. Reminds me of Marinov in a big way. One of my favorite parts was how he found many of the flaws that prove we faked the moon landings but rather than acknowledge the obvious fraud, he instead theorized that the Apollo missions had anti-gravity propulsion systems since the rockets would not have been able to carry the fuel necessary to carry out the mission. Not the sharpest tool in the shed but an interesting one and a champion of academic freedom and scientific integrity.

I suspect he lost his religion too late in life and was not emotionally prepared to wage jihad on the academic world. That didn't keep him from trying as the book is a unhinged rant with a modicum of science in there somewhere. If you enjoy chaos, and I do, two thumbs up!

Quote from: forest on January 08, 2011, 06:52:34 AM
Tito welcome !  ;D

Two questions:

1. Do you think there was also inner coil on steel/iron pipe and outer coil around all 8 coils ?
2. If there was Tesla coil based then how do you think was lenz law eliminated ? I presume that energy was routed around in one direction only because Hendershot device was similar as stated by Hubbard  and run at stable speed always in direction opposite to the Earth rotation.

I have also a strong tendency to think about Hubbard device like about induction motor but one thing is wrong - coils are in wrong relation to internal rotor to have rotating magnetic field influence on it. They should be a right angle to the rotor I think to make center coil as a overloaded rotor.

i'm not actually sure but the principle of gaining method is just one"its a coiling technique"

and #22 is what tesla is always using and number 4awg is used by hubbard enough to power up a boat.

Quarktoo
Quote:
Me thinks the shorted coil trick of Thane Heins is a better way to go than Hubbard since Thane's work is simple enough that anyone can do it now, is proven to increase efficiency and is safe. Thane Heins has a good workable solution once you go beyond the pulse motor IMHO.
--------------------
This is where some folks feel your off.
They think Thane is using substandard measuring techniques.
It would be VERY cool if you could come up with something that utilises Thane's Effect to perform work beyond any speculation,a decisive once and for all Test for OU.

That would be very cool.

Chet

Quote from: ramset on January 09, 2011, 07:44:50 PM
Quarktoo
Quote:
Me thinks the shorted coil trick of Thane Heins is a better way to go than Hubbard since Thane's work is simple enough that anyone can do it now, is proven to increase efficiency and is safe. Thane Heins has a good workable solution once you go beyond the pulse motor IMHO.
--------------------
This is where some folks feel your off.
They think Thane is using substandard measuring techniques.
It would be VERY cool if you could come up with something that utilises Thane's Effect to perform work beyond any speculation,a decisive once and for all Test for OU.

That would be very cool.

Chet

I could and would do that. Of course, I would want quid pro quo for buying hundreds of dollars of copper wire and a junk alternator.

I know a simple test. There was a couple of scientist from Brazil that made a Newman motor and used a scale 1 foot off axis and measured torque in foot pounds. That way everything going in (torque and RPM) and everything coming out (volts and amps) gets measured and the only thing not measured heat and friction losses are ignored since they always will be anyway. There is no way to ridicule the result.

It would not be ideal in terms of efficiency since I would be using an alternator that will not have enough coil winding space but should be close enough to compare the difference.

Odd how Thane has not evolved his research very rapidly. Watching his videos is like watching Groundhog Day in slow motion over and over...

There is one other possibility for this hubbard coil that nobody has thought of or pointed out so I will keep it to myself but it would require those two big black hoses to be coolant lines since it would get real hot and all that huge wire would actually be be copper tubing. Half of the tubing would have water in it.

Hubbard made 25000 watts
OUCH!!

You know he "played" on a MUCH smaller basis while he was learnlng .That would be safe to do ,we don't need to fry ourselves.
-------------

However,
I see you are seeking to collaborate on some serious experiments,or at least try some things ?

I hope you are succesful in getting "SERIOUS" people on board.
It would be nice to advance our understanding of these things!

Chet

Quote from: ramset on January 10, 2011, 08:42:02 AM
Hubbard made 25000 watts
OUCH!!

You know he "played" on a MUCH smaller basis while he was learnlng ...

Yes, but it is all about achieving resonance. Sometines, by altering the scale,
the problems of getting resonance increases.

A recent find for those interested in replicating.

I went to home depot and bought some 3/8 X 6" galvanized pipe nipples to use for cores on a replication and after lathing off the zinc and creating a thinner wall to reduce eddy currents and drilling out the centers I had a super nice coil form and core.

Here is the part that matters:
1. The pipe has zero permanence like hard steel does. I.e., it retains no magnetic charge.

2. It is attracted to a magnet better than flat sheet iron used in appliances even though the round surface only comes into a tiny bit of contact with the magnet.

Using the law of inverse squares between the wire and core, that little space that a plastic spool produces matters a bunch and the importance of the distance between the wire/cores core to core is noted in the notes.

As far as the resonance comment, that is BS. This is a rotating magnetic field concept and anyone that has bothered to look at the notes can see that. The outer 8 coils are wired in series parallel so they can only come up one at a time. I think Tesla may have used nine to produce a more 3D rotating space I.e., 3 coils moving through 3 stations.

The unexplained Faraday disk puzzle located near the bottom of this page:

http://keelytech.com/stubblefield.html

may hold more of the answer to the puzzle than anything I have heard so far.

Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 05:10:40 AM
As far as the resonance comment, that is BS. This is a rotating magnetic field concept and anyone that has bothered to look at the notes can see that.

If you have a circuit with any combination of L, R or C and it is driven by an
oscillating driving voltage, then you will have a resonance issue.

This thread seems to have frozen itself about six months ago. Anyway, I've been lurking and following it through. My opinion is that too much speculation about the Hubbard design has gone one with nearly no reference to Joseph Cater's detailed description of a similar unit in his books (The Awesome Life Force is what I have). What I think is really important about Cater's comments is the distance between the coil turns, which he packs with iron powder, and the distance between layers of the secondary coil. He has goo arguments for this. I am going to try to replicate one of these in a few months and see where it leads. Cater, of course, never built one but he says if his instructions are followed carefully you should have success. He cites one or two apparent sloppy replications that were allegedly OU. I may have trouble finding thin iron sheet here in Indonesia (where everything rusts so quickly), but will try to do gold plating using brushed-on plating after the iron layer is in place, rather than trying to plate one side and mask the other in a plating tank. I'm trying to reason out what else might be plated on the iron to keep it from oxidation (assuming zinc galvanizing is not recommended). Nickel? Silver? Copper? What is wrong with zinc?

Is anyone still lukewarm on this project?  ---zuvrick

Quote from: zuvrick on September 09, 2011, 01:37:44 AM


Is anyone still lukewarm on this project?  ---zuvrick

It is still on my watch list. :o ;D

Hello all,
Is anyone still working on this project (or something similar)? I've ordered some materials to build a Hubbard 'type' device.
My thoughts on the Hubbard Coil: It was a SIMPLE divice with NO radioactive elements, just metal, wire and some plastic.
With that being said; If you wind wire around a piece of iron and then cut the iron into equal lengths without cutting the wire, you can see how a big long coil can be turned into many short coils where the wrappings alternate up and down each 'rod' AND keep the current moving (increasing) in the same direction (so that the magnetic fields combine). I visualize a sort of pumping effect here; two corkscrews twisting into each other comes to mind as well... Imagine four figure-eights so that the start of the coils tie to the end of the coils (in a moebius loop). This gives you an infinite (induction) loop. If you wrap it bifiliar and connect opposite ends you have two 'loops' AND you can also 'pinch' the current as well as 'push' it!! One wrapping not only inducts from the other wires on the same core, it also does so from the adjacent cores (more combining magnetic fields!) and (probably) a little from the ones at 90 degrees to those (which is at least half of them!). I think the 'push' (i.e. magnetic field coupling/current increase) would be more than the 'pinch' (i.e. loss/reduction of same)
It makes sense to me that the central winding is charged with INDUCTED power from the outer 8 coils (no/minimal power loss!).  The central core (and consequently the coil itself) has to be a little bigger (I think) because it needs a stronger magnetic field to keep the 'stray' potentials from 'leaving' the outer coils altogether. It seems to me that an added outer winding could give output as well. If an outer winding is used (needed?) then the inner and outer windings should be 1/4, 1/2, or full (wave) lengths of each other (Smith) to make oscillation easier (guessing here...?).
Shape relationships I believe are important. Those figure eights have sinusoidal waveforms built into them!
The trick is 'trapping' that 'flow' in those eight coils indefinitely. Leedskalnin's PMH anyone?!? Seems logical (to me) that the central core mass keeps the process together (speculation...). What to use for a core material? Crushed neos?? Anyways,  I'm looking forward to getting started and building something! Will post more when I have more to post. ;)
Love the forum, keep up the research!!
PC
"If no one builds it nothing will change..."

Quote from: PhiChaser on December 11, 2011, 01:05:18 PM
What to use for a core material?

I think I would try brake rotor shavings ( free from brake shop) and mix with epoxy. I made a beautiful toroid in a jello mold and trued it up on a lathe. haven't wound it yet. no time to experiment now :'(

Quote from: PhiChaser on December 11, 2011, 01:05:18 PM
Hello all,
Is anyone still working on this project (or something similar)? I've ordered some materials to build a Hubbard 'type' device.
My thoughts on the Hubbard Coil: It was a SIMPLE divice with NO radioactive elements, just metal, wire and some plastic.
With that being said; If you wind wire around a piece of iron and then cut the iron into equal lengths without cutting the wire, you can see how a big long coil can be turned into many short coils where the wrappings alternate up and down each 'rod' AND keep the current moving (increasing) in the same direction (so that the magnetic fields combine). I visualize a sort of pumping effect here; two corkscrews twisting into each other comes to mind as well... Imagine four figure-eights so that the start of the coils tie to the end of the coils (in a moebius loop). This gives you an infinite (induction) loop. If you wrap it bifiliar and connect opposite ends you have two 'loops' AND you can also 'pinch' the current as well as 'push' it!! One wrapping not only inducts from the other wires on the same core, it also does so from the adjacent cores (more combining magnetic fields!) and (probably) a little from the ones at 90 degrees to those (which is at least half of them!). I think the 'push' (i.e. magnetic field coupling/current increase) would be more than the 'pinch' (i.e. loss/reduction of same)
It makes sense to me that the central winding is charged with INDUCTED power from the outer 8 coils (no/minimal power loss!).  The central core (and consequently the coil itself) has to be a little bigger (I think) because it needs a stronger magnetic field to keep the 'stray' potentials from 'leaving' the outer coils altogether. It seems to me that an added outer winding could give output as well. If an outer winding is used (needed?) then the inner and outer windings should be 1/4, 1/2, or full (wave) lengths of each other (Smith) to make oscillation easier (guessing here...?).
Shape relationships I believe are important. Those figure eights have sinusoidal waveforms built into them!
The trick is 'trapping' that 'flow' in those eight coils indefinitely. Leedskalnin's PMH anyone?!? Seems logical (to me) that the central core mass keeps the process together (speculation...). What to use for a core material? Crushed neos?? Anyways,  I'm looking forward to getting started and building something! Will post more when I have more to post. ;)
Love the forum, keep up the research!!
PC
"If no one builds it nothing will change..."

:D :D :D I like your idea. I would like to see schematic, maybe I can help

Thanks Loner!
A couple things that I ran into over the weekend (sort of): The old basic electrical book I have from college doesn't have ANYTHING about transformers sharing magnetic fields, just the standard series/parallel equations when the fields are NOT affecting each other. Any help on this one? Pretty sure this thing needs to have all those coils as close as possible for minimum loss/maximum potential. It worked because the fields combined and didn't collapse! (My thoughts anyways...)
The second thing was the 5 time constants to build up or break down a magnetic field. Visualizing this sort of thing as it travels through the wires and up and down those steel rods seems like there would be a magnetic 'rippling' effect almost (like water makes?!). Maybe 2 of 3 windings are increasing the magnetic field (5 of 8?) while the other(1) is 'pinching' it...
Can't wait for my metal to arrive...
Any thoughts on starting this thing when I get it built? Core material? Grounding?? Capacitance???
PC
Thanks for the steel pipe info Quark!!! THAT is exactly the kind of stuff that should be kept easy to reference! ;) Nice!

Quote from: PhiChaser on December 11, 2011, 01:05:18 PM
If you wind wire around a piece of iron and then cut the iron into equal lengths

Yes, but -
It should be iron, and not steel since the iron sheds its magnetism quickly when
the current is removed.

Quote from: Paul-R on December 12, 2011, 11:50:40 AM
Yes, but -
It should be iron, and not steel since the iron sheds its magnetism quickly when
the current is removed.

Soft iron is about impossible to find in any quantities that can be really utilized and fit within my budget. The steel I have ordered is 1018 cold rolled (specs below).
C 0.14 - 0.2 
Fe 98.81 - 99.26  <<mostly iron eh?
Mn 0.6 - 0.9 
P 0.04 max 
S 0.05 max 
The current should be trapped in the coils (my hypothesis) and resonate (or wobble enough to keep going anyways).  Like a Hendershot device or a PMH, I think this thing needs a kick to start it and then it resonates all by itself (hopefully right?).
How to start (test) it? Use a homemade cattle prod?? Should I consider iron filings (packed into iron pipe?) for the center coil core maybe? I'm hoping to be able to easily change the central coil for testing. Everything always looks better on paper!!
Ah, my thumbs are already getting sore just thinking about all those fun hours of winding wire around metal rods...
All my schematics end up looking like some kind of spiral thing, I'm sure they aren't correct but I will try again fresh. How do you draw one long induction rod that is actually eight seperate rods that all touch electrically but have 8 seperate polarities so are really 8 seperate rods? AND they surround (touch?) the central winding but don't electrically connect to it directly?
PC

edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_constant
There is a diagram under the heading "Relation of time constant to bandwidth" that is an "An example response of system to sine wave forcing function.". The idea I had (edit: I'm sure I'm not the first!) of how to start the thing. Pretty much try to momentarily subject the loops to a multifrequency jolt of current (of some sort) and hope for the best... One thing at a time heh heh...
And another interesting one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux_density
"An infinitely long cylindrical electromagnet has a uniform magnetic field inside, and no magnetic field outside." If the outer coils are tied to each other does this mean that the center magnet core is NOT affected by the exterior electromagnets?

Quote from: PhiChaser on December 12, 2011, 09:04:34 PM
Soft iron is about impossible to find in any quantities that can be really utilized and fit within my budget. The steel I have ordered is 1018 cold rolled (specs below).
C 0.14 - 0.2 
Fe 98.81 - 99.26  <<mostly iron eh?

Ordinary steel is ususally between 0.2 and 2%. Iron can be found in architectural
foundations since it is good re rust. I think it would pay to try and get iron.

I thought of trying to electroplate iron out of a Ferrous Sulphate solution, starting
with a wax candle covered in carbon dust, in order to end up with an iron tube.
(The candle would be melted out of the way). Pretty hard work. There must be a better way.

I think that the outer 8 coils just need to be (or able to be) electromagnets. The center core needs to be able to load up and dump a current but those outer coils will stay loaded (my speculation). Here is a pic of the eight coils drawn as iron core inductors in series wound bifiliar (being the same they are 1:1 transformers right?). The current keeps going round and round and round...

I'm not sure if this schematic is drawn properly at all. I know bifiliar windings are drawn differently but this looks close to a good representation of how the outside coils will be wired to me. The steel rods would be all magnetically tied together (alternating poles so they all attract to each other). Again, think one long piece of metal wound with wire in one direction, cut into multiple parts, then folded where the cuts are so that the current keeps going into the next rod spiraling in the opposite direction on the rod (N to S) but moving the current in the same direction where the conductors are sitting next to each other. I defer to you guys that know how to draw decent diagrams... How do you draw the center (or outside) coil in regards to this drawing?!? (I hope this is making sense heh heh...)

I have received some of my supplies and was fooling around with some measurements and found a couple interesting 'coincidences'. Due to the nature of the shapes of the electromagnets (cylinders/circles) and the number PHI (1.618) one 'layer' of windings on the outer coilset (primaries?) is exactly five times (5x) the length of one layer on the tapcoil (secondary?). This would make it a step down transformer  (as far as conductor length goes anyways) correct? Makes sense except that the outer coilset is comprised of eight 1:1 transformers in series. Because they all are touching the central coil does that mean 8 x 1:1 = 8:1??? All coils are the same physical height so you get 8:1 coil HEIGHT for the price of 5:1 conductor LENGTH... Hmmm 8/5=1.6 (What was that number again??)
Seems like this should be something that is already discussed somewhere?!? Help me out if you know where this info/discussion is, eh?
I think if the wire is wound properly around the coilset you are essentially winding a toroid (although physically I think it would look more like a wavy version of a doughnut with four high spots and four low spots...) that works more like eight PMHs tied together. Hope this makes some sort of sense heh...
I need to locate a variac... And a bench vise...
PC

Quote from: PhiChaser on December 19, 2011, 12:16:41 AM

I need to locate a variac...

I got a good one off Ebay. But they are heavy. Transport might be an issue if
it is not near enough to collect.

Quote from: Paul-R on December 19, 2011, 11:13:59 AM
I got a good one off Ebay. But they are heavy. Transport might be an issue if
it is not near enough to collect.

I just really need a hobby sized vise that can clamp to my counter/table... Probably find one locally or on craigslist for cheap. My 'local' UPS pickup is about 10 miles away (I found that one out last week)...
PC

I have (nearly) finished building my own version of a Hubbard 'transformer'. The center coil isn't full of a good magnetic material yet but I'm 90% there anyways... Everything fits nicely but I may end up getting a stainless hose clamp to pull everything together even tighter (Hendershots capacitors had to be 'tightened' to get the right farad capacity so ???).
I don't have any real measuring or testing devices other than a cheap Greenlee VOM but that will change eventually.

Specs concerning my build:

All conductors are 18awg bifiliar speaker wire wound single layer. All coils have 36 wraps.
The outer eight coils (coilset) are 6" long 5/8" diameter 1018CR steel rods. Total coilset length 621" +/- 1" (core length)

At the end of each coil as the wire transitions to the next core the wire is twisted once to keep the current direction the same where the coils are touching when placed side by side.

If you can imagine a four foot (4') piece of steel rod single layer wound with 18 awg bifiliar speaker wire from one end to the other, then cut the rod (not the wire!) into six inch (6") sections and 'fold' them (twisting the wire where the rods 'fold') to form a circle. Now tie the ends together in a mobius fashion (maintaining current direction) you have what I've constructed here.
Eight 1:1 (primary) transformer/coils close (flux) coupled in a cylindrical formation and surrounding a (secondary) induction coil. Does this qualify as a semi-toroid?

The center coil (tapcoil) is wound around a 3/4" piece of pipe and the conductor length is pretty close to 124.2" (1/5 coilset conductor length).
The two bifiliar wires are tied together at one end of the tapcoil so that the current will run in both directions (down into and back out of the coilset).

Theory: Primary 'coilset' will act similar to (Leedskalnin's) PMH holding current to be inducted by secondary 'tapcoil'.

The challenge: Keeping the current flowing forever around the coilset.

Suggestions/comments would be appreciated.

I know that this thing is supposed to be some sort of transformer...

I have put 5v@500mA (via phone charger) through each of the coils as well as tying them together for the 'longest trip' and arrived at the following voltage readings at the input points:

Primary Coilset      :0.68v
Secondary Tapcoil   :0.16v
Pri. through Sec.   :0.85-0.87v

Nothing terribly exciting so far. As expected there were zero readings on the tapcoil when I put this little bit of juice throught the coilset. Still need to find a variac heh heh...

PC

Build pics...
Wire on metal rods. Fun!

PC

Removed all the electrical tape from the ends of the primary coilset today and taped on plastic covers so the wire twists between cores can be seen (and won't fall off!). This is the bottom; The top has a hole for the tapcoil and I sleeved the wires where they left the plastic 'case' so they wouldn't chafe.
PC

The cores are important so that the magnetism is quickly shedded when
the power comes off.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter5.pdf  (Page 147 today, but will
change as doc is edited)

Can you get your hands on soft iron welding rods? Iron (as opposed to steel)
is sometimes used for rods in building foundations because it doesn't rust
as much).

The idea is that the current STAYS in the primary conductors and doesn't come out. It gets inducted into the tapcoil as a +/- DC (AC!) pulses. At least that is the idea: those steel rods stay electromagnets constantly. (Maybe a good DC blast to get it going?) Power goes in, finds oscillation in the conductors, and keeps going round and round in the SAME DIRECTION over and over and over (like the coils in the PMH!). The tapcoil (secondary) is supposed to have a higher magnetic value than the outer coilset (primaries) which stay 'loaded'. It is my hypothesis that this stronger magnetic field in the middle of these coils is what will allow this to happen.
The output coil will definitely have to be able to pulse and 'unload' the inducted charge, that is for certain. I have some small welding rods but they aren't soft, they are very hard. Maybe ferrite (antenna) rods? I'm not sure if there is supposed to be an outer winding that surrounds the entire set of coils? I haven't done the math but I'm certain I don't have enough wire for that at the moment...
I can see other ways of winding these rods but this particular coilset is done (as far as the winding goes anyways heh heh). 
Thanks for the link Paul!
PC
P.S. I did get a small hobby vise but I haven't used it yet...
(EDIT: After looking at a TPU pic I think that there should be an outer winding that connects (mobius style) to the 'tapcoil' which I think should be an inner AND an outer coil both... Hmmm, makes more sense now.)

Quote from: PhiChaser on January 20, 2012, 10:39:29 PM
I have some small welding rods but they aren't soft, they are very hard.

They will feel hard. I think they are called Swedish soft iron.

I suspect this is the sort of thing:
http://www.findtheneedle.co.uk/companies/ed-fagan-europe-ltd/products/swedish-soft-iron

After some brain sweat and wearing down a pencil a bit I think that the outer winding (which would be connected mobius style to the inner coil) will be exactly half the length of the (primary) coilset. WOW! Hmmm...
The inner and outer coil will be one and the same so it looks like current will run 'up' the inside part of the coil and 'down' the outside part of the coil. Makes a LOT more sense now (to me anyways...)!! EDIT:Think about TPUs and toroidal type devices that are mobius wound...
ALL of the conductors are affected by the central core field. The eight coils of the primary coilset are each pointing in opposite directions so you have an equal + - + - + - + - field at each end and sharing the central core!. The windings around these coils also affects the outer AND inner winding (which is the SAME because they are connected). Consider the torus and how the conductor goes into and out of the field when it is wound around it, same idea.
Another thought, although I'm not sure if this is really 'correct' or not:
If you consider the primary coilset (8x1:1 close-coupled flux supporting inductors) as the number 10 (regarding conductor length) and each individual coil as 1.25 (because 8X1.25=10), then the central coil would be 2 and the outer coil would be 5.
Why would I look at these numbers this way? Well... For one it is a bit easier to consider descrete numbers instead of odd inches/millimeters. Second, and more importantly, I think these ratios are important to keep in mind (as is phi!). 2x5=10. Hmmm.
We also would have a higher density magnetic field in the center which means (to me at least) that the current is going to move (or is more likely to continue moving?) up through the center of the coilset. The ratio of 2:5; the inner to outer part of the same coil (because of the length). Because of this current will move 2.5 times faster to get to about the same place on inside of the same coil as it would take to make the trip outside of the primary coil (to the opposite 180deg location of the same coil).
What does this mean exactly?
Same transformer getting two pulses from each transformer (there are eight!): one (+/-) on the inside and one (-/+) on the outside. Normally these would pretty much cancel each other out but for that 5:2 ratio... If you consider that HALF the coilset are always +loaded at one time then you can see how the 2:1 ratio between the outer winding (part of the tapcoil) and the length of the 8 coil 'set' could be said to give the balance and the 5:2 ratio would make it forward biased, see?
Ah, surprised there aren't more people working on this thing...
I keep thinking that I need solid core wire though... I don't like that stuff, it hurts my fingers! Still need a varic heh.

PC

Are there any Hubbard Generators (or other similar devices) that anyone had built that actualy produce more energy than they consume?

It appears that the Hubbard Generator is a cousin of the Molina Martinez Generator.

Although I am fuly open to the idea that overunity devices may work, I have a feeling that people dont publish their positive results.
Maybe those people are afraid of press, maybe they are afraid that Big Brotherr will pay a visit.

Because I am tired of jerryrigging things at my house, I want to whitness somebody building a successeful device like this.

Also, I suspect that it requieres a special 'ear' or other gift of sensitivity to tune those resonance devices to achieve spectacular effects such as overunity, a variable capacitor or an inductor is another good thing to implicate in a circuit. I am sure that both Tesla and Hubbard had that sense developed very well.

Thank you.

For me Hubbard generator is the best ou device. However we must learn how to walk before we could run...

ya! me too! :D


hubbard coil is actually has similar operation with the TPU.  8)