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There is a closed curtain and TODAY's date uder it. 4th of February 2009
Will it open TODAY?
http://www.steorn.com/ (http://www.steorn.com/)

Still full of shit I see!

Hans von Lieven

It's still there....nothings changed except the front page.
It is a closed curtain and it tells you they are out of business.

But the stuff behind the curtain can still be reached.
http://www.steorn.com/forum/
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/
http://www.steorn.com/news/releases/
http://www.steorn.com/about/
http://www.steorn.com/about/community/
http://www.steorn.com/about/fun/
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/developers/

Quote from: Honk on February 04, 2009, 01:58:35 AM
It's still there....nothings changed except the front page.
It is a closed curtain and it tells you they are out of business.

.....

Maybe they are waiting for the actors to 'recharge' during the intermission!

cheers
chrisC

I hate to break this to you, but look at Steorn's logo

It has the classic twirled 666, as well as the rising sun. These guys are a fake, nwo company.

Good eye, Newsflash ! I hope your not right....

now its online

LOL, look at the negs squirm. Even imagining a swirling "O" as being evil, LOL. Ahh, they're getting nervous because their entire reality is about to be shattered. LOL

This entire experience should be documented to be a good, but difficult lesson for the science community. They simply forgot about history, for all the discoveries that shattered conventional thinking. One feels like knocking on their head, "Hello! Anyone home!"   :)

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 11:31:01 AM
Ahh, they're getting nervous because their entire reality is about to be shattered.

That's funny, because all I see now is a company copyrighting a bunch of non-existent technology, "validating" it by having a few people with Irish accents say it's real (see their home page video), and then providing COMMERCIAL LICENSES for so-called "free" energy..

Wooo... revolution..!!

These guys are good at designing websites. Very, very good. Not much else tho.

Well Folks, I am an actual member of the SKDB since 2007, and I can only tell that this is only the beginning.

I told you, Steorn was alive, and kicking.

Mock it all you want, As Dr. Rice says, you have to see it for yourself.

Quote from: ChileanOne on February 04, 2009, 11:59:18 AM
Well Folks, I am an actual member of the SKDB since 2007, and I can only tell that this is only the beginning.

I told you, Steorn was alive, and kicking.

Mock it all you want, As Dr. Rice says, you have to see it for yourself.

That exactly what the new Steorn website shows, that they're still alive. So much for all of the negative blogs out there that predicted the blue curtains would reveal a documentary video on the gullibility of people. I hope this wakes up the conventional science community, and once and for all puts to rest the inefficient scientific method that has now evolved into what we see as "skepticism."  What is to replace skepticism has already been outlined. My analysis on scientists has shown that they place *immediate* doubt (a biased state of mind) on claims that goes against their belief. Future scientists will learn to be unbiased from the start. You don't hang a person until you've gathered all the data and analyzed it. We should all be thankful the court of law has evolved beyond the science community --> "Innocent until proven guilty!"

Anyhow, it's great to see Steorn making progress.

PL

Wow that usb hall probe can be mighty handy in my current experiment. To bad it won't sell for 20ish euro  ;D. I bet it costs them 5 euro to produce. Anyone else know where to buy usb hall probes?

Hello Pawl:

The problem for Steorn is that they have to make profit out of a discovery. That's why they have taken this unusual and at times odd looking strategy. If you were charged with the task of transfer the technology to make fire, and make it profitably, you would be also in a very odd and unusual position, then Steorns saga starts having much more sense.

If Steorn gets this off the ground, gets some significant companies to work with them, I think Steorn will have no problems making a profit.

PL

Well, I have documented history of my magnetic theory in 2005, before all of the Orbo stuff. Sean will soon discover that his devices cool down while under load. This is not easy to detect because of both thermal conductivity and blackbody radiation transfer.

It will be nice to be *friendly* business competitors with Sean and Steorn. My approach will be a shoe string approach. ;)  That is, to freely release my first version, a "free energy" machine that produces usable amounts of power, then sell an improved more technical professional version to the people around the world who have no interest in building such a machine. Most people will want to buy it, rather than build it. In fact, it will be cheaper to buy one than to buy the parts and build it yourself because I'll be able to buy the parts for my company in mass quantities.

PL

I watched the opening video, and Sean McCarthy's last words sum it up in a simple manner, "Our objective is to get the technology into the hands of Developers this year, and to create an environment where those Developers can rapidly accelerate that into a real product."

Personally, I don't care about whether the device breaks any known laws or not. I don't care if you think that Steorn is a fake. What is important is using the Scientific Method to find the truth about this whole scenario. If the effect is real then it should be measurable in a controlled way. Once it is developed into something as simple as an electrical generator, then that will be enough to prove it to the world. It may be, as PaulLowrance wrote, that the device cools down. That only means it draws its energy from the environment around it and that is just fine. Running off the sun indirectly is still free energy in my book and would certainly not break any known laws.

This whole agonizingly slow, up and down process, has been a real bear to watch.

If it is shown to be true, then there is so much that can be accomplished from it. If not, then the naysayers win. Either way, the truth is what is important.

Right on Resinrat!!
I just want to say shove it to the electric company, ya know.

But why does it have to be verified?

If it works, it works. People can see it working. Bam. If I invented a free energy device, I would make it open source and  spread it around the net as quickly as possible.

Regardless, I'll keep watching this closely. They say they want commercial applications developed this year, in 2009.

IMO Steorn has been working/improving their Orbo the entire time. The validation team was just something to keep public eye on Steorn. By no means was Steorn ever waiting for the validation team.

Also, Steorn has a lot of NDA signatures that guarantees such people will not be their competitors!  Perhaps Steorn has more business smarts than the skeptics gave. From the beginning, I had some guy asking me like a dozen times to join the validation team and sign the NDA. Thank the Infinite that I did not sign any NDA!!!!!!  Hmmm, then again, at least now I could have a lot less competition when starting my magnetic "free energy" company. ;)  Just kidding. Please, I welcome a world of friendly business competition!

PL

Quote from: newsflash on February 04, 2009, 02:26:03 PM
But why does it have to be verified?

If it works, it works. People can see it working. Bam. If I invented a free energy device, I would make it open source and  spread it around the net as quickly as possible.

Regardless, I'll keep watching this closely. They say they want commercial applications developed this year, in 2009.

Boy, they are a company, not a non profit foundation. They have to make money out of this.

There is a long way from fire to the steam engine. This is the stage at which we are. They have been able to show an energy gain that remains unexplained, but is consistent and repeatable. But from there to a usable product, there's a lot of engineering time to be spent.

Steorn has demonstrated that OU is possible, now, using it for practical purposes is a complete different problem.

Does anyone know if Steorn has any solid-state Orbo designs?

PL

in THIS rich-bastard-controlled society,
the only SMART researcher,
is a researcher who operates behind the scenes.


don't go attaching your devices to your name and face online !
don't go applying for a patent !
DON'T do ANYTHING directly !

refine your devices as much as possible. then diffuse knowledge of then, into the populace.
that is the only way that we will bypass the rich bastard.


by shunning greed, and doing it so save civilization from ignorance !

Anyone reading this thread who is not entirely familiar with steorn and the claims they have made should take everything they do with a pinch of salt. Im not going to into all of it right now, it would take me all night.

Suffice to say they have lied and lied since day one, from 550bhp orbo's to pumps in Africa. Remember the jury ? notice it is not mentioned on the site ? Now they want 300 engineers and they want to sell them the test equipment as well.

The list goes on and on.

It's quite depressing really.

Hey jwk, apply to be one of the 300 or shut up and watch quietly from your corner. I do know what I'm talking about, and what your hopes are have nothing to do whit what actually requires for a technology as groundbreaking as this to become an everyday reality.

innovators don't need a big company.
or gobs of funding.
or even prestige.


they can individually work miracles.
with nothing but their freetime,
trimmed fat from their paycheck,
creative refinement of design,
and an unstoppable willpower, that never gives up its dream.


forget big companies, to solve our energy problems !
each one of us, is everything we need !

Quote from: jwk on February 04, 2009, 03:16:10 PM
Anyone reading this thread who is not entirely familiar with steorn and the claims they have made should take everything they do with a pinch of salt. Im not going to into all of it right now, it would take me all night.

Suffice to say they have lied and lied since day one, from 550bhp orbo's to pumps in Africa. Remember the jury ? notice it is not mentioned on the site ? Now they want 300 engineers and they want to sell them the test equipment as well.

JWK nailed it. Steorn is running out of money - their last financials shows they have spent all the cash they raised from investors.

This new initiative is an attempt to (a) find 300 suckers (aka engineers) who will pay for test gear (b) extend the runway for their existing suckers (aka existing investors) and (c) find new suckers (aka new investors) in the Middle East on their 'lecture tour'.

If you can't see this, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Quote from: wizardofmars on February 04, 2009, 04:12:31 PM
JWK nailed it. Steorn is running out of money - their last financials shows they have spent all the cash they raised from investors.

This new initiative is an attempt to (a) find 300 suckers (aka engineers) who will pay for test gear (b) extend the runway for their existing suckers (aka existing investors) and (c) find new suckers (aka new investors) in the Middle East on their 'lecture tour'.

If you can't see this, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

That's the negative interpretation. I know for fact that mathematics using conventional physics shows that magnetic viscosity and a change in effective permeability in the design I've outlined would capture ambient thermal energy. Steorn's claim of magnetic viscosity among other descriptions is spot on.

Also, you *assume* that Steorn would not demonstrate the Orbo to the engineers. According to Sean, Steorn's already allowed *at least* three engineers to analyze the Orbo.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 04:20:40 PM
That's the negative interpretation. I know for fact that mathematics using conventional physics shows that magnetic viscosity and a change in effective permeability in the design I've outlined would capture ambient thermal energy. Steorn's claim of magnetic viscosity among other descriptions is spot on.

And somehow thousands of engineers and scientists in hundreds of countries over many decades missed it. I guess that means you and the Steorn guys will be nominated for a Nobel prize once we see a working model.

Quote from: wizardofmars on February 04, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
And somehow thousands of engineers and scientists in hundreds of countries over many decades missed it.

Correct!

Quote from: wizardofmars on February 04, 2009, 04:22:46 PMI guess that means you and the Steorn guys will be nominated for a Nobel prize once we see a working model.

I don't need to prove my gift of thought. Been there, done that with a lot of engineers in my life. Most people don't know how to think well. One main problem is "skepticism."  Skepticism is one of the biggest boobytraps ever devised!

PL

Quote from: wizardofmars on February 04, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
And somehow thousands of engineers and scientists in hundreds of countries over many decades missed it.

According to wizardofmars logic, or whatever his real name is, no person could ever discover something that conventional scientists missed!  I can't even begin to express how ridiculously flawed such mentality is. Please take a visit down history lane.

PL

i notice many important things, that NOBODY else understands the value of.

and when someone else does see it, they poorly see only a small part of it.
not most of it.


that is why i have VERY little respect for mainstream "scientists",
and their myopic, rediculous "methodology".

because i see what they do not see.
and the wonders that they do not see,
makes them look like true idiots, to me!


my biggest flaw,
is being too lazy and complacent,
to physically demonstrate what is in my mind.


if i built and demonstrated even half of what i know/suspect,
than i would be "well known" on the forums.

Quote from: nitinnun on February 04, 2009, 04:52:29 PMmy biggest flaw,
is being too lazy and complacent,
to physically demonstrate what is in my mind.

If I understand you correctly, that's an effect I have analyzed in my human behavior studies long ago. It would take me a few months to go over everything to explain the details, but in one paragraph --> The reason is because in totality your mental consciousness dominates your emotional consciousness. You may have a strong emotional presence, but your mind is far stronger. Mental people have great difficulty leaving the mental realm and diving into moving the dense muscles and doing things. I know, it's extremely difficult. I would much rather spend 10 thousand years thinking than to lift a single wire.  :)

Trust me, what you have is a good thing. It is a rarity. People should be so lucky.

Regards,
PL

well with that video you now have 4 engineers ( i include Sean in that number) on camera plus the video on y0u tube of another esteemed engineer with the ktoy. Together the 5 of them have more letters after their names than most people on this forum have IQ.

please don´t speak if you speak from your armchair , Armchair philosophers we can do without, you are akin to the vatican, who hounded Copernicus.

Most of Maxwells stuff was watered down, and there are enormous gaps between the maths and the physical, Investigate and you will see the errors. These errors were always considered insignificant by the boffs who learn COE as a religion. Question everything and find your own answers.

Peace

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 04:20:40 PM
That's the negative interpretation. I know for fact that mathematics using conventional physics shows that magnetic viscosity and a change in effective permeability in the design I've outlined would capture ambient thermal energy. Steorn's claim of magnetic viscosity among other descriptions is spot on.

Also, you *assume* that Steorn would not demonstrate the Orbo to the engineers. According to Sean, Steorn's already allowed *at least* three engineers to analyze the Orbo.

PL

Hi Paul.
I really think you are wrong on this occasion. Steorn called for a jury over 2 years ago. Now they have 3 engineers who claim that the testing is ok and the checks are in place and they have seen Steorns set up show an energy gain. It does not appear that these engineers have validated anything.

Come on Paul, if you have followed Steorn from day one and witnessed the lies come undone on thier own forum you should know it is NOT worth wasting time on.

You appear to have something worth investigating with your diodes. How far down the road to real proof would be with 15 Million euros to spend on it ? Would you invest in designing new measuring equipment that already exists ? or would you concentrate on the core tech ?

etc etc etc.

Before this company becomes a martyr, check for yourselves. All of Steorns claims are still out there, even the ones they later admitted to being false.

SO......did steorn release how their thing works or not? it wasn't in the new video....anybody willing to tell who knows? Is there something I am missing? Is it so secret that they can't give the basic workings...if they intend to market it, somebody will take one apart....if they have the patents and all, they should let people understand and demonstrate their tech....

Quote from: Craigy on February 04, 2009, 05:12:20 PM
well with that video you now have 4 engineers ( i include Sean in that number) on camera plus the video on y0u tube of another esteemed engineer with the ktoy. Together the 5 of them have more letters after their names than most people on this forum have IQ.

please don´t speak if you speak from your armchair , Armchair philosophers we can do without, you are akin to the vatican, who hounded Copernicus.

Most of Maxwells stuff was watered down, and there are enormous gaps between the maths and the physical, Investigate and you will see the errors. These errors were always considered insignificant by the boffs who learn COE as a religion. Question everything and find your own answers.

Peace

I agree with you in the most part Craigy. But Steorn have lied too many times and now they finally admit the only thing they have ever had is an anomaly. Too many lies.

I like the forum there but i don't think they deserve the time of day from people genuinely trying to develope something.

Steorn saying they're going to do something such as the pump in Africa doesn't mean they lied if they failed. If that's the case then probably every company in existence has lied. Microsoft made all kinds of claims about their OS, and we got Vista, LOL. They claimed it was going to be rewritten, the same thing that Apple did when they rewrote the Apple OS with the Unix kernel.

I've worked for far too many companies to know that Murphy is a live and well. Failure does not make a company a liar! So it's not a good idea to start calling companies liars because they're not perfect!

PL

I have just had a look at Steorn's new website. They state:

How Orbo Works

Orbo is based upon time variant magnetic interactions, i.e. magnetic interactions whose efficiency varies as a function of transaction timeframes.

It is this variation of energy exchanged as a function of transaction time frame that lies at the heart of Orbo technology, and its ability to contravene the principle of the conservation of energy. Why? Conservation of energy requires that the total energy exchanged using interactions are invariant in time. This principle of time invariance is enshrined in Noether’s Theorem.

The time variant nature of Orbo interactions can be engineered using two basic techniques. The first technique utilizes a method of controlling the response time of magnetic materials to make them time variant. This is achieved by controlling the MH position of materials during permanent magnetic interactions.

The second technique decouples the Counter Electromotive Force (CEMF) from torque for electromagnet interactions. This decoupling of CEMF allows time variant magnetic interactions in electromagnetic systems.
Orbo is based upon time variant magnetic interactions, i.e. magnetic interactions whose efficiency varies as a function of transaction timeframes.

It is this variation of energy exchanged as a function of transaction time frame that lies at the heart of Orbo technology, and its ability to contravene the principle of the conservation of energy. Why? Conservation of energy requires that the total energy exchanged using interactions are invariant in time. This principle of time invariance is enshrined in Noether’s Theorem.

The time variant nature of Orbo interactions can be engineered using two basic techniques. The first technique utilizes a method of controlling the response time of magnetic materials to make them time variant. This is achieved by controlling the MH position of materials
Orbo 1.0, the first commercial release of our platform technology, is based upon our electromagnetic implementation. Orbo 1.0 will be made available initially under license to 300 engineering companies and to the wider product development community later during the course of 2009.

Can someone please tell me what that means, it's got me fucked.

Sounds like a lot of pseudo-scientific gibberish to me.

Hans von Lieven

Hans it's supposed to get you fucked. They want to sound smart so any person goes "Wow that sounds complex, they must know what they are doing then." It's an idiot strategy as things shine the most when they are kept simple.

I think what that is saying is "Look people our total energy in this closed system is not constant, as a matter of fact it increases over time". It doesn't explain the workings of it one bit. Just some stupid ass PR move.

Also I just noticed that that last part is quite similar to what PaulLowrance has been saying about "magnetic viscosity". PL, claim your right  ;D.

The idea that the CIA or the NWO creates companies like Steorn to manipulate people, and fool them into following false ideas doesn't hold water:

In the mid '1950's, the US Army is reported to have started a secret project and gathered together many young and brilliant scientist for it. They brought them into a room, and showed them a film of what they claimed was Alien technology: A rocket-powered backpack that would allow a man to "fly" (like in the old James Bond movies). They then told the scientists their mission was to re-create the device.

At first the scientists complained loudly to their Army handlers that it was ridiculous to expect them to design something simply from watching the film, with nothing else to go on. But eventually they just went and began work. It took over 2 years, and they had many false avenues. But finally they came back to the Army with a solid design they thought would work backed by some early prototype tests. At this point, most of the scientists left the project, as it was mostly an engineering problem from now on.

Years later, one of the scientists met up with one his old Army handlers by accident at a bar. They talked about "old times", and then the Army officer told the astonished scientist the truth: "The Alien technology film was a fake... There was never any device until your team built one".

The point being, that talking about these technologies as being "real" only spurs on more research in all Free Energy areas. So this is the last thing someone who wanted to suppress these technologies should do... Are they so stupid that they would do it anyway? Seems unlikely... They are not stupid. 

The problem most physicists have with mathematics is in assuming that conventional physics has correctly interpreted the math. There's no single interpretation to math equations when trying to correlate math to real world. For example, at this very moment some of the best physicists specializing in quantum physics are debating, no they're arguing about what will or could happen in the new Hadron collider. There's now pretty much an agreement that recent calculations have shown early calculations for the microscopic black hole lifespan were way off. There are a lot of disagreeing results, all using conventional quantum physics.

What Steorn is probably doing is offering their interpretation how their Orbo works. What would be interesting is to see if their calculations agree with the results.

PL

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 04, 2009, 06:24:52 PM
I have just had a look at Steorn's new website. They state:

How Orbo Works

Orbo is based upon time variant magnetic interactions, i.e. magnetic interactions whose efficiency varies as a function of transaction timeframes.

It is this variation of energy exchanged as a function of transaction time frame that lies at the heart of Orbo technology, and its ability to contravene the principle of the conservation of energy. Why? Conservation of energy requires that the total energy exchanged using interactions are invariant in time. This principle of time invariance is enshrined in Noether’s Theorem.

The time variant nature of Orbo interactions can be engineered using two basic techniques. The first technique utilizes a method of controlling the response time of magnetic materials to make them time variant. This is achieved by controlling the MH position of materials during permanent magnetic interactions.

The second technique decouples the Counter Electromotive Force (CEMF) from torque for electromagnet interactions. This decoupling of CEMF allows time variant magnetic interactions in electromagnetic systems.
Orbo is based upon time variant magnetic interactions, i.e. magnetic interactions whose efficiency varies as a function of transaction timeframes.

It is this variation of energy exchanged as a function of transaction time frame that lies at the heart of Orbo technology, and its ability to contravene the principle of the conservation of energy. Why? Conservation of energy requires that the total energy exchanged using interactions are invariant in time. This principle of time invariance is enshrined in Noether’s Theorem.

The time variant nature of Orbo interactions can be engineered using two basic techniques. The first technique utilizes a method of controlling the response time of magnetic materials to make them time variant. This is achieved by controlling the MH position of materials
Orbo 1.0, the first commercial release of our platform technology, is based upon our electromagnetic implementation. Orbo 1.0 will be made available initially under license to 300 engineering companies and to the wider product development community later during the course of 2009.

Can someone please tell me what that means, it's got me fucked.

Sounds like a lot of pseudo-scientific gibberish to me.

Hans von Lieven

it means that the magnetic output of materials, changes through the time stream.

they purposely didn't say how they were collecting it.
just that that is the source of the energy.


scalar energy can be used to manipulate time flow.

interfering with the temporal field of an atom, can too.


but i imagine there are ways to harness fluxuations in the time field, without using either of those methods.



not that i would expect you to understand something that abstract and rejected by box thinkers the world over, hans !

QuoteThe point being, that talking about these technologies as being "real" only spurs on more research in all Free Energy areas. So this is the last thing someone who wanted to suppress these technologies should do... Are they so stupid that they would do it anyway? Seems unlikely... They are not stupid.

The following is not regarding Steorn: If one doesn't want a *large* build up of electrical charge, then what better way than to periodically discharge it?!!  What better way than to mislead people who have within them the interest. They build the fake. It doesn't work. They build another fake. Same thing. Perhaps after the 2nd to 4th time they get burnt out. Sounds like an almost guaranteed method of delaying the *inevitable*.

PL

Nitinnum, you talk as much shit as they do!

Hans von Lieven

Is Steorn the same company that were meant to be doing a public demonstration about a year ago, and then pulled the plug at the last minute ?  :-\

Yep , and i was upstairs at kinetica afterwards with Sean M..Very nice chap.

Quote from: Craigy on February 04, 2009, 07:56:18 PM
Yep , and i was upstairs at kinetica afterwards with Sean M..Very nice chap.

Have you actually seen the machine, and was it working ?

My personal opinion was that Sean was leaned on, but i spent 8 hours with him and learnt a lot , i cannot say anymore than that i´m afraid..

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 04, 2009, 07:01:21 PM
Nitinnum, you talk as much shit as they do!

Hans von Lieven

everything that you say and think is shit, "hans".

i don't know why you even bothing to type most of your posts.
since there is absolutely nothing of any value, in most of them.


you need a new hobby.
one that actually produces something of value.

maybe you should take up knitting.
so that the next time you blow your opinion out your ***,
you will have something other than this forum, to blow it into.

Quote from: newsflash on February 04, 2009, 08:24:40 AM
I hate to break this to you, but look at Steorn's logo

It has the classic twirled 666, as well as the rising sun. These guys are a fake, nwo company.

Are you sure that represents 666, coz the 6's look like they are drawn mirrored !

Don't know what others are seeing, or want to see, but look at it and you'll clearly see the "O" is one solid circular line that forms a vortex.

Sheesh people!  Come on.  ;)

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
Don't know what others are seeing, or want to see, but look at it and you'll clearly see the "O" is one solid circular line that forms a vortex.

Sheesh people!  Come on.  ;)

PL

That's what I also thought it looked like, a vortex.

that O is clearly meant to represent spinning magnetic energy.

it looks like it is spinning clockwise, from outside to inside.
clockwire magnetis spin, is positiv ely charged.
AKA a "positive" thing......

clockwise and counter-clockwise magnetic spin mix together, to form electricity.
which is where they got the idea from.....



i don't know if the steorn people have accomplished something or not.
i don't know if they are crooks or not.

but that VORTEX OF MAGNETISM, is a very flimsy reason, to criticize them.

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on February 04, 2009, 05:57:35 PM
SO......did steorn release how their thing works or not? it wasn't in the new video....anybody willing to tell who knows? Is there something I am missing? Is it so secret that they can't give the basic workings...if they intend to market it, somebody will take one apart....if they have the patents and all, they should let people understand and demonstrate their tech....

You are missing the fact that Steorn didn't announce any plans to market Orbo any time soon.

They announced four phases which essentially involve finding engineers and investors (aka suckers) to give them money. I didn't see anything about a public demo, validation, trial or availability of Orbo's on the market any time in the plan shown at http://steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1141

Sounds like they pulled Archer Quinn into the fold and are now offering:

Advance plans for a perpetual motion device: $20,000 payed 3 months in advance of delivery.
It will work - promise!  We are just smart enough to discover the solution to the 'holy grail', but not smart enough to rivet and screw a few thing-a-mijgs together, so we are going to license the technology to YOU to build.
Just sign up, only $20,000, and we will show YOU how to rivet and screw it together!

hardy har har

Steorn is not dead!  It's just pinin' for the fjords!  (like the parrot in this video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE&feature=channel_page

Textbook magnetic theory may omit some experimentally demonstrable effects.  The Steorn forum has this discussion of the Marinov devices, which appear to show a magnetic force effect that is not in the textbooks, and might be relevant to many OU devices involving magnetism.
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61421&page=1#Item_0

@Paul: All we have to do is look at the dozens of similar F-E companies and inventors that have made release dates and constantly broke them...

They all do. Working in the commercial electronics world for over 25 years with Fortune 500 corps.... I can tell you that they ALL miss release dates for new products; nearly every time... No conspiracy involved, usually only idiotically optimistic marketing weenies refusing to listen to their engineers and thinking their silly proclamations can defeat the laws of physics (do i sound bitter, lol... frack YES)  ;)

And yet we have not stopped buying the electronics or software.  We haven't stopped "believing" in them. We only get disgusted with them ;)

The fact that we are still here reading these threads says that it has little effect.... Eventually we lose interest in a specific device that always fails to provide proofs, sure.... But does that mean we will refuse to listen when they come back in 6 months and say: "This time we REALLY have it working!". Lol no, we will all again listen and see what they've got... That doesn't mean we will invest our cash with them, though ;)   

Because just waiting and seeing doesn't cost anything.

The real test will come where there are COMPETING F-E technologies. Then we will see some real wild claims and badly-missed dates... Because there are unethical marketing peeps (no, really??) who would actually LIE about release dates to keep interest in their products up.

But having such problems as freely competing F-E technologies and companies playing marketing games is something i can live with ;)

The vast percentage of the population don't know these technologies exist, so they don't care anyway.

Is it best to judge on past experience, STERON have a little shameless behavior in the past..

All that new test equipment looks expensive. I bet you need it to prove the tech.

Coupled with a techno babble explanation of the technology, should make you think twice IMHO..

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 11:31:01 AM
LOL, look at the negs squirm. Even imagining a swirling "O" as being evil, LOL. Ahh, they're getting nervous because their entire reality is about to be shattered. LOL
This entire experience should be documented to be a good, but difficult lesson for the science community. They simply forgot about history, for all the discoveries that shattered conventional thinking. One feels like knocking on their head, "Hello! Anyone home!"   :)

its wicked great that they've developed their own magnetic measurement equipment. ive sent them a mail requesting to be sponsored a usb hall probe so i could use it for a specific music/visualization project i have in mind. also, its fun that they've gone and done those passive reduced-friction, running-cold instead of heating due to friction   magnetic bearings..

what itreally feels like tho is that now im seeing a company launch properly, and it seems like such a bigger project now. i bet it would be interesting to see a few pulse motors or magnetic motors be measured with that USB hall probe..!

Steorn is not dead, its undead and hungry for BRAINS ahhhhh....JK....

I honestly hope that they have found FE, but damn them if their just jerking everybody around....
and although it is good to keep an eye out for the NWO i doubt they have ties to Steorn, I bet they got bigger fish right now.....

looks like maybe they found a way to turn magnets on and off to me.....

That's what I was pointing out, that companies, engineers, people are not perfect and make mistakes. If a company fails at something in particular then it doesn't make them a liar. Eventually we'll learn the truth.

Although, by no means does that indicate there aren't people or groups interested in misguiding legitimate researchers!  Anyone who's been in this industry for a few years should know better. The same people, at least the same personalities with different user names, post about their smoking gun "free energy" machine, but they refuse to take it to a local University or anyone, they get sensitive when anyone trys to get details from them, they linger the discussion on and on and on while people try their best to guess at the details trying to replicate it. Eventually everyone gets burnt out. When I say "burnt out," I'm not referring to lookie loos! I'm referring to peoeple who actually get off their a** and try to build something. They are good people that get burnt out. They are the people we need in this community. What good is it to have hundreds of lookie loos? Anyhow, a great example was the Whipmag / OC-MPMM motor by alsetalokin. History has shown that these thugs have zero interest in making money. They don't advertise to sell anything. They refuse to prove their "free energy" claim. The end result is always legitimate researchers getting burnt. So if you ask me, my theory about what's happening to this "free energy" community is spot on.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 05, 2009, 10:38:28 AM
Anyhow, a great example was the Whipmag / OC-MPMM motor by alsetalokin. History has shown that these thugs have zero interest in making money. They don't advertise to sell anything. They refuse to prove their "free energy" claim. The end result is always legitimate researchers getting burnt.

Some clarification Paul:

1) There is no advertising to sell anything because there is nothing to sell. As far as I know, there is only one single WhipMag in existence that does anything exceptional. And that particular device does not appear to be for sale.

2) The person who constructed that single device which demonstrated anomalous behavior has disclaimed any production of "free energy". However, to the best of my knowledge, he has refused to allow it to be examined by any third party. Most of the rest of us WhipMag researchers would gladly submit our devices for scientific examination, should we happen to reproduce the effects Alsetalokin showed.

3) There is no intent to burn any researchers, although there may be a few that feel they have been burned. The device Al demonstrated looks deceptively simple. Unfortunately, nobody has yet been able to replicate the anomalous effects. It all looked so easy. A year later, we realize it is a much more complex mechanism than it appears to be. I'm sincerely sorry if any WhipMag researchers feel like they were cheated.

WhipMag research efforts are continuing.

0c

What I think is hilarious is Steorn has settled on the Lawrence Tseung theory of producing free energy devices.  Their current position, if I understand it correctly, is that they are not going to make the technology, they are going to license the technology.  So they are not going to try to market the Orbo, they want to sell their "technology" to someone else and let them make it work.

So they are selling the theory, and letting other people (the 300 engineers?) see if they can make it viable (i.e. "we cannot make the Orbo work, but here, you try").  Um, that's great for them, I guess.  No more pressure to produce a working Orbo.  But this does not exactly inspire confidence in anything they have found, but it is consistent with their idiotic stunts of the past, like the "jury validation" of the Orbo.  Why in the world do you need a jury validation, when the product can speak for itself.  Can you think of a single other company that had a "jury validation" before launching a product?  Just demo the thing, under a load, for a long enough period of time where there could be no internal energy source, and there is your proof, geez.

What's also interesting is that the desire not to produce actual products does not seem to be a complete company policy.  They are promoting their measuring tools, which apparently they are able to manufacture.  I guess the investors are looking for something tangible, so some pressure is on.

Quote from: 0c on February 05, 2009, 11:03:22 AM2) The person who constructed that single device which demonstrated anomalous behavior has disclaimed any production of "free energy".

After anyone has seen Al's video and knowing that Al claimed the motor ran for like 7 hours straight without stopping where Al had to physically stop it, who in their right mind would care a less if Al disclaimed any production of "free energy" LOL!  That's like the USA disclaiming to have a Nuclear bomb after nuking Japan. IMO that makes Al look even worse.

Quote from: 0c on February 05, 2009, 11:03:22 AM3) There is no intent to burn any researchers

Bull!!!  And it's odd that you are still defending him!


PL

utilitarian, I've answered in great detail everything you pointed out. Lets not enter into an endless circular conversation for the sole purpose of having the last word.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 05, 2009, 11:21:46 AM
Bull!!!  And it's odd that you are still defending him!

I think you are guiltier in this respect than Al is. You have claimed overunity for your devices and encouraged others to build them. How many experimenters have produced usable power from a diode array? You have also done much more than Al to promote your device. So where does that leave you? How many hobbiests have been taken in by your shameless promotion?

Quote from: 0c on February 05, 2009, 11:42:15 AM
I think you are guiltier in this respect than Al is. You have claimed overunity for your devices and encouraged others to build them. How many experimenters have produced usable power from a diode array? You have also done much more than Al to promote your device. So where does that leave you? How many hobbiests have been taken in by your shameless promotion?

Your intent is obvious. I have clearly posted the exact power levels my diode arrays have produced. I have made it very clear the tests are for the purpose of verifying that diodes rectify ambient thermal energy. Nobody has been taken by my claims, and in fact *everyone* that has built the diode array has measured a DC voltage -->

* I measured a DC voltage.
* Tom Schum has recently admitted that his diode measurements showed that his diode array produced a DC voltage.
* Charles M. Brown claimed that in 1993 he sent his THz diode array to a company that measured a DC voltage.
* And an anonomous person on my site claims that he and his co-workers, including a senior EE, have verified my claim.

I have provided *every* detail, including part numbers -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=15.0

So it is very clear who you support. It is well known that Al has seriously hurt the "free energy" community. And my claims about diode arrays is very clear. I have opened to allow *anyone* to test my diode arrays. I have challenged the Randi organization. I have provided all of the detailed mathematics based on conventional physics, which is based on quantum physics.


To legitimate people, I think these people are getting disparate because they see they can no longer delay the inevitible, global free energy.

PL

For a long time you know what I have looked forward to. It may take a long time before science reaches the point, but I look forward to a history camera that can allow us to view the past. Then, all of humanity will see who these people are, and their family will be ashamed to have the same last name.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 05, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
Your intent is obvious.

If it's so obvious, just what is my intent?

Just because one individual doesn't comply with your demands doesn't give you the right to start accusing him of deceit. Hell, he doesn't do what I want him to either, but that's between me and him. I don't go dragging Paul Lowrance and his diode arrays and magnetic viscosity motors into our WhipMag discussions.

As far as I can tell, you were unjustifiably badmouthing another group of researchers, a group that I am closely associated with. In our group, I see none of the deceitful intent you have accused us of. Each of us has fully accepted the risks and financial burdens of our efforts.

I have probably done much more talking about the concept than anyone. Most of what I have done was simply to try and get some feedback on the ideas. I'm mostly looking for reasoned and evidence-based discussion of a concept. There was even a time when you discussed some of this with me.

I thought this thread was about Steorn's Orbo. Why not keep it on topic. If you have good or bad things to say about Steorn, go ahead.

These people (or is it just one person posting under multiple user names with multiple ISP's) seem to like circular conversations, having the last word, saying a lot of silly statements that results in getting peoples minds off the simple truths such as Al claims his motor ran for over 7 hours and he physically stopped it, all started with the flick of his rist, but he throws it in the trash, refuses to allow known scientists test it, has no interest in making money from it, so if he wasn't a scam artist (interested in money) and won't allow scientists to analyze it then Al's intent is obvious, to distract and burn out legitimate "free energy" researchers, period.

Oc can have the last word, it is very clear what is happening. I reserve the right to reply with, "OC, I have addressed that. I disagree with you. No more circular conversations."

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 05, 2009, 12:53:32 PM
Oc can have the last word,

OK, here's my last word: I have no idea what Al's true intentions are. He seems to keep that pretty much to himself. My intentions are to continue investigating the possibilities of the WhipMag concept.

So Steorn make a total failure because of bearings in July 2007 in London, and now they have/market under their enterprise the Zerof  friction-free magnetic bearings, .. cause and effect? If so, it is a very clever way of writing that can be turned to generate positive attention, i.e., we botched our first demo attempt, now we've gotten totally rid of the friction/heat issues with bearings altogether, here, have our bearings, we'll be using them too as you know.

friction/heat losses in rotation efficiency are always going to matter - thats why we see this security firm / IT / IP company getting them out.
thats also why Jay Leno recently featured this Magnetic Wind Turbine http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=913522&dst=nbc|widget|Jay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video&__source=nbc|widget|Jay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video (http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=913522&dst=nbc%7Cwidget%7CJay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video&__source=nbc%7Cwidget%7CJay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video)  that his garage has. interesting.
"Magnetically levitated wind turbine technology - reducing friction, noise, vibration and energy loss"  says the vid. ohwell.

The Zerof bearings appear to use magnetic materials to levitate / cause a separation to cause no appreciable friction. It is reasonable that such bearings could be sensitive to strong magnetic fields that are in the wrong polarity such as from another PM, which could change the bearings natural magnetic polarization, and thus permanently damage the bearings. I wouldn't be surprised if the Steorn Orbo demonstration used similar types of magnetic lift bearings.

PL

I for one can't wait to find out how much that USB hall probe will cost and can that data be mapped out into other things...
I think a combination of the USB hall probe, and the Magnetostatics lens that allows for seeing the field  surrounding magnets,   and the wonder-magnet  papers that you can look through to get a vague view of the magnetic field..

all of these flux mapping methods and field measuring techniques will amount to something, for sure.

If one of the 300 engineers wanted to make his or her own hall probe (very easy and inexpensive), then perhaps Steorn should allow that.

PL

Quote from: ChileanOne on February 04, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Steorn has demonstrated that OU is possible, now, using it for practical purposes is a complete different problem.

Where the hell did you get that idea from. Steorn have shown nothing but promises and empty talk.
There has never been any working demonstrations or any kind of proof from Steorn.
I'll bet there was never any jury either. That was empty talk as well, just to spice up their "holy BS".
If they really had received hundreds of applications and performed interviews on interesting jury
participants we would know of this by now from the people that was interviewed but not selected.
But there has been none reports from the interview scenarios what so ever. Steorn is CRAP.

Quote from: utilitarian on February 05, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
What I think is hilarious is Steorn has settled on the Lawrence Tseung theory of producing free energy devices.  Their current position, if I understand it correctly, is that they are not going to make the technology, they are going to license the technology.  So they are not going to try to market the Orbo, they want to sell their "technology" to someone else and let them make it work.

...

I agree with you. Why make it so hard for people to believe when they supposedly solved the problem?
Wouldn't it be easier to demo. that same contraption (wheel) they tried so hard to blame on the heat from the lights, the bearing breaking down....bla bla blah...., especially now they have discovered zero friction bearings!

Put one of those damn bearings back into that wheel contraption and no one would have any doubts. Now they want to find suckers to put $30K or something into purchasing a development kit!

Maybe Old Tseung needs to up his $ request to make it believable!

cheers
chrisC

If Steorn has no trouble getting the 300 engineers, then from Steorn's POV they don't need to show you people a demo yet. One could ask questions all day till their blue in face, but that doesn't prove anything. Why didn't microsoft follow through with rewriting Vista? Why this? Why that?  We don't know of the hundreds of dialogs occurring inside Steorn, all of the difficulties they've encountered. Anyone who's worked on any leading edge technology should already know the Murphy is king. I could ask why would Steorn limit it to just 300 engineers. If I stand back and spend maybe 2 nanoseconds I can already think of a possible answer. Maybe working with 300 engineers/companies is already a lot of juggle with at once for Steorn.

PL

Quote from: esaruoho on February 05, 2009, 01:30:39 PM
friction/heat losses in rotation efficiency are always going to matter - thats why we see this security firm / IT / IP company getting them out.
thats also why Jay Leno recently featured this Magnetic Wind Turbine http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=913522&dst=nbc|widget|Jay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video&__source=nbc|widget|Jay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video (http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=913522&dst=nbc%7Cwidget%7CJay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video&__source=nbc%7Cwidget%7CJay%20Leno%27s%20Garage%20Video)  that his garage has. interesting.
"Magnetically levitated wind turbine technology - reducing friction, noise, vibration and energy loss"  says the vid. ohwell.

Thanks for that great link!

See this new topic on this device:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6764.msg155707#msg155707

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 04, 2009, 06:24:52 PM
I have just had a look at Steorn's new website. They state:

How Orbo Works

Orbo is based upon time variant magnetic interactions, i.e. magnetic interactions whose efficiency varies as a function of transaction timeframes.

That's a narrow POV. They should have just said "magnetic viscosity."  Magnetic viscosity does not have to be less efficient.

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 04, 2009, 06:24:52 PMIt is this variation of energy exchanged as a function of transaction time frame that lies at the heart of Orbo technology, and its ability to contravene the principle of the conservation of energy.

Sean is in for a huge surprise when he discovers CoE is not violated. I would bet the farm that the "free energy" comes from ambient thermal energy. We will not know until Steorn conducts and publishes *appropriate* tests.


PL

Steorn have said and promised a lot of things in the past that have ALL turned to shit. Until they come up with something that has any credibility at all I put all of their stuff in the SCAM basket.

Hans von Lieven

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 08, 2009, 01:29:33 AM
Steorn have said and promised a lot of things in the past that have ALL turned to shit. Until they come up with something that has any credibility at all I put all of their stuff in the SCAM basket.

Hans von Lieven

Please show a quote from Steorn that states they "promised" whatever you're referring to.

I don't you think can because I have never read any such promises. If your reply does not include a quote from Steorn, then you are a liar. Liars should be band from a forum! Steorn has said they are going to do various things, but so has just about every company. Failure does not mean a company is a liar. If that was the case, then every company is a liar. Welcome to the real world!

What will be the next phase when legit "free energy" machines are marketed? Various people at this forum have started saying that such machines would be dangerous and collapse global economy. Is that the next tactic, scare tactics? Those are scare tactics, based on false information.

PL

Paul, I have a very strong feeling you are part of their marketing team.

They have promised demonstrations and the appointment of a jury to evaluate their technology, none happened, and that's just for starters. So don't go calling me a liar.

Hans von Lieven

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 08, 2009, 03:32:21 AM
Paul, I have a very strong feeling you are part of their marketing team.

They have promised demonstrations and the appointment of a jury to evaluate their technology, none happened, and that's just for starters. So don't go calling me a liar.

Hans von Lieven

I sort of remember that being mentioned on this here a while ago.

If they have a working device then fair dinkums, but they should give us more solid in-depth proof.

paul+hans im sure both of you are working for the OTHER side as much as the other one.
this means hans is as much a man in black pseudoskepticist troll as much as paul is the steorn marketing overunity.com department.

what im going to do is proceed with the knowledge that neither of you are, what the other one says you are.

i havent yet gotten a response from steorn re: the usb hall probe, i hope they will respond tho, but maybe they are too busy getting the 300 engineers together to respond to requests from musicians.

have no idea whether the Steorn technology works but these constant delays suggest to me that they have some "outside" influence. are diverting our attention for a while or have nothing to show...makes us loose faith in "free" energy!

Its only an idea!

Did anyone ever know someone from their old list of 300 engineers,
who had to sign up NDAs for the demo of last year or was this also
just some vapourware statement ?

Who were these 300 engineers of last year ?

Probably a few of them must be members on this forum too I guess ?
So please step up forward and let us know the story behind it.

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 08, 2009, 03:32:21 AM
Paul, I have a very strong feeling you are part of their marketing team.

They have promised demonstrations and the appointment of a jury to evaluate their technology, none happened, and that's just for starters. So don't go calling me a liar.

Hans von Lieven

As expected, you could not provide any quotes of Steorn promising something, which makes you a liar.

As for the other people, I don't hide behind an anonymous name. I have almost zero respect for people hiding behind an anonymous name attacking other people and companies based on no evidence, and out right lies. Why is it most people on this forum either attack or ignore claims that have the highest probability of succeeding? Why do these people gang up and attack people who so as even try to get these fake "free energy' claims to either post every detail about the machine such as part numbers,or take it to a notable known scientists or just market it? It's sad that the theme in this community is "Just build it!" when all they want you to build is a fake.

PL

I don't think people can continue to prevent the inevitable, global "free energy."

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 08, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
As expected, you could not provide any quotes of Steorn promising something, which makes you a liar.

As for the other people, I don't hide behind an anonymous name. I have almost zero respect for people hiding behind an anonymous name attacking other people and companies based on no evidence, and out right lies. Why is it most people on this forum either attack or ignore claims that have the highest probability of succeeding? Why do these people gang up and attack people who so as even try to get these fake "free energy' claims to either post every detail about the machine such as part numbers,or take it to a notable known scientists or just market it? It's sad that the theme in this community is "Just build it!" when all they want you to build is a fake.

PL

Hans is not lying, there were plans to show the device at some sort of show, and Steorn did pull out at the last minute , but it's too long ago to remember the exact facts. I'm pretty sure it was posted on this forum somewhere.

Bulbz this is just that old 2007 july non-show of a london steorn show  that got held up at the last minute by the heat of the lamps affecting the bearings.
and lo and behold, Steorn have a set of magnetic friction-free bearings coming out.

Look.. the way i see it is this.
anyone releasing anything at all, especially releasing information of a proof-of-concept device that proves a principle that the engineers are only slowly becoming aware of, is going to make mistakes. the most common mistakes are not being capable of stringing together a readable sentence, and getting frustrated at the checks and balances checks and re-checks of "measure! with this! this way! you didnt do it right!" and the ridicule   hauled at them on _every_ _single_ _forum_.
then there's failures at marketing, failures at making good on showing functioning devices - and if then, mistakes and failures due to communicational issues and time constraints. not knowing how to promote yourself - shaky camera recordings, either too densely technical narratives or purely sales speeches. and all to a crowd that either believes every single claim, or disputes _every_ _single_ _claim_ and takes part in slandering attacks of said people + company, and causes a shitstorm of feedbacking negative opinions on this or that thing.

everyone believes that :this company: or :that person: should conduct themselves differently, or should have conducted themselves differently if they are bankrupt or dead,  but nobody can change a single thing about someone else's past and present and future actions, so all we get are basically fucking useless forums full of people being against this or that bunches of people, and then even instances where i have to look at this thread and see Paul attacking Hans and Hans attacking Paul, both convinced that the other is something that he isn't.

We should be looking at what is being said, how is it notable, what does it mean, what is the claim, how does it correspond with other bits and pieces of knowledge we have available either in electrodynamics, quantum electrodynamics, physics or the natural sciences.. and then for once stop calling eachother shitheads and actually do some constructive work as to piecing together the _various_ _magnetic_ _claims_ that we have, starting from Ed Leedskalnin to Howard Johnson, to Walter Russell, John Keely, Wilhelm Reich, Karl Schappeller, Viktor Schauberger - and then onto the most contested people such as John Bedini and Joseph Newman - who all have made claims as to how magnetism can be used to accomplish this that and the other.

So instead of wasting 300 billion pages of forumthreads about this or that person's ties to this or that funding, or this or that information about this company going down or that company being bankrupt, or character-assassination of this or that person, be it bearden, newman, meyer, bedini or anyone the fuck at all -- we could actually start piecing together the grand claim.

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 08, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
I don't think people can continue to prevent the inevitable, global "free energy."

PL

Greetings Paul

I agree with this statement, but when I comes to Steorn. I have seen interviews, half whited attemps on youtube and I even know someone that worked for Steorn. But I have never seen a running device, a video of a running device, or have heard creditable evidence of a running device. Sorry, but I have my doubts. And how many years has its been since the first reported claim?

I believe people in the SPDC or whatever it's called have seen a video of working Orbo. Anyways, it's very easy that Steorn has spent a lot of time improving the Orbo. Maybe it's now solid-state. Or maybe they ran into some stability issues, and have now fixed the problems. There are a lot of possibilities. No need for some people to be trashing Steorn!

PL

I was basiacally showing support for Hans Vonlieven, calling him a liar is out of order. As I was enlightened in an earlier post by esaruoho, one of the incedents was when the show was cancelled because of overheating of the bearings due to lighting. I'm not personally attacking Steorn.

What I will say is....

If Steorn are so positive they have a working device, then why don't they build it and sell it ?. From what I understand, Steorn ask for 20 grand in return for instructions on how to build  the device, but then you have to buy the materials yourself.

For 20 grand + materials + build time, I want a more proven concept that is going to be at least reliable enough to not fail eavery time somebody switches on the lights !.

Sorry guys but for 20 grand from potential customers, they should be building a a ready to run, stable product. I know where I'd rather put my money.

As I stated before on OU.com, whatever ideas I come up with, I will release them as strictly open source. I don't like the idea of myself selling a few diagrams on a piece of paper, for a huge sum of money. Plus I'm only in it for the science, the good of mankind, and above all, FUN  ;D

Peace brothers and sisters...
I rest my case !

I was basically showing support for Hans Vonlieven, calling him a liar is out of order. As I was enlightened in an earlier post by esaruoho, one of the incedents was when the show was cancelled because of overheating of the bearings due to lighting. I'm not personally attacking Steorn.

What I will say is this....

If Steorn are so positive they have a working device, then why don't they build it and sell it ?. From what I understand, Steorn ask for 20 grand in return for instructions on how to build  the device, but then you have to buy the materials yourself.

For 20 grand + materials + build time, I want a more proven concept that is going to be at least reliable enough to not fail every time somebody switches on the lights !.

Sorry guys but for 20 grand from potential customers, they should be building a a ready to run, stable product. I know where I'd rather put my money.

As I stated before on OU.com, whatever ideas I come up with, I will release them as strictly open source. I don't like the idea of myself selling a few diagrams on a piece of paper, for a huge sum of money. Plus I'm only in it for the science, the good of mankind, and above all, FUN  ;D

Peace brothers and sisters...
I rest my case !

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 08, 2009, 07:24:46 PM
I believe people in the SPDC or whatever it's called have seen a video of working Orbo.

Of course not!. As far as I know, NOBODY saw a "working" Orbo to date....

Quote
Anyways, it's very easy that Steorn has spent a lot of time improving the Orbo. Maybe it's now solid-state. Or maybe they ran into some stability issues, and have now fixed the problems. There are a lot of possibilities. No need for some people to be trashing Steorn!
PL

Yes, no need for trashing them.  Also, no need for you to trash certain members expressing their opinions, too....
Hans is not a liar! He just expressed his opinion  (and common sense) wrt. to the known FACTS about Steorn's claims.
And he was right about tons of not fulfilled promises made by them.... And I am not going to search the public-written-confirmed facts about the issue, so I guess I am the liar, too...

I was an (original "SPDC") member. I quit (not signed a second level "NDA") because of many (GOOD!) reasons....

You were not involved with the happenings? Here's a short schedule that you may have missed....

18?/19th of Sept., 2006 Steorn's revolutionary add in The Economist
19 th of Sept. 2006 start of their public forum
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A call to the Jury of capable experts to validate the claims...
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early Dec. 2006,  Steorn's famous party...
Mid Dec, some of the ideas about the tech. surfaced.... The Kinetica toy,  magnetic viscosity, the The Noether's theorem theory & exceptions... The Start/Stop technology, the "fast in slow out" (and vice-versa mathematical) concepts,... the idea about forming a group of the dedicated tinkerers...etc...
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March, 2007 - SPDC officially started
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4th of July, 2007 - the London Kinetica DEMO....
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March, 2008. Start of the new, inner circle, the "OrboSphere group"
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Feb., 2009 (4th) refreshed Web pages, New claims....
Feb the 7th, 2009 ... Original SPDC members (who were not signing a new "NDA" in the past 8 months, were banned from the "SKDB" without even a "Goodbye, folks"...)...
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I'd like to comment at least at some of the issues (the dotted lines...), but....

The recent happening tells a lot....

No demo, No "Jury" verdict....
No FE.

An USB hall sensor probe, and a magneto-mechanical test setup are the result of all the stuff happening so far.
Hey, we (the SPDC) voted for a design (shape & colours) of that probe long time ago...!  ;D

And I was one of the first originators of the idea to produce a good, cheap hall probe... Back in those Steorn's public forum pages.... ;D


Silly. That's it, folks.

Whoever is saying that Steorn is charging 20K for teaching anyone to build an Orbo is full of BS.

STeorn charges nothing to anyone, and not even for the licenses.

Quote from: ChileanOne on February 09, 2009, 07:28:10 AM
Whoever is saying that Steorn is charging 20K for teaching anyone to build an Orbo is full of BS.

STeorn charges nothing to anyone, and not even for the licenses.

Greetings ChileanOne

Ah yes the licenses. Do you know what that means?  It means that you are working for him and if you make the final breakthrough Steorn takes it over. How about that for a deal?
This is of course my opinion for I have not read the licenses but in the real world if you work for someone and make an invention you employer can take it, if work related, and sometimes it doesn't have to be work related.

Quote from: ChileanOne on February 09, 2009, 07:28:10 AM
Whoever is saying that Steorn is charging 20K for teaching anyone to build an Orbo is full of BS.

STeorn charges nothing to anyone, and not even for the licenses.

Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick, but I thought I saw that quoted somewhere in this thread. But thats no reason to go slagging me off, I'm not full of bullshit, and never have been. I'm just going by what I read !.

Next time, think before you slag me off !

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 09:16:59 AM

Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick, but I thought I saw that quoted somewhere in this thread. But thats no reason to go slagging me off, I'm not full of bullshit, and never have been. I'm just going by what I read !.

Next time, think before you slag me off !

I apology for the misunderstanding, I did not mean to slag you, I was aware you were quoting someone else, and whoever is, is spreading a complete lie (BS in my book), and to him I was targeting my disgust.

Sorry Bulbz.

Quote from: ChileanOne on February 09, 2009, 09:36:19 AM
I apology for the misunderstanding, I did not mean to slag you, I was aware you were quoting someone else, and whoever is, is spreading a complete lie (BS in my book), and to him I was targeting my disgust.

Sorry Bulbz.

OK thankyou for clearing that up, and I appologise for blowing at you like that  ;)

So, i wonder if anyone has had the time to make transcripts of the few video'd talks that have been around?

Quote from: spinner on February 09, 2009, 06:29:28 AMYes, no need for trashing them.  Also, no need for you to trash certain members expressing their opinions, too....
Hans is not a liar! He just expressed his opinion

He is a liar because he has repeatedly said Steorn made "promises" when after several posts he still refuses to show one single quote from Steorn backing up his statement. That's pretty shady to lie about a company like that, especially when it has to do with global "free energy."  I have zero respect for people like that.

Quote from: spinner on February 09, 2009, 06:29:28 AMAnd he was right about tons of not fulfilled promises made by them.... And I am not going to search the public-written-confirmed facts about the issue, so I guess I am the liar, too...

I have zero respect for people who make such statements without any proof. So yes, until you can post a direct quote from Steorn that includes the word "Promise" and show your reference, you too are a liar. Simple as that. No respect!


You two should be ashamed of yourselves.


PL

OK Bulbz, I wish all of us could be this civil after a blow out.

My Best Regards!

anyone can waltz into any of these forums and misrepresent, slag off and twist the truth. once that gets repeated as a larger more viable truth than what is available to us as actual knowledge of the actual company and its work,  then its time to eternally lash back at them liars - until another twist pops up.

this way one thing for sure is not talked about, the claim, the information and what has been pieced together.
but sure itll give pages and pages of shit to fling at steorn, at eachother and at wild baseless claims and haters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossip
One will not allow others to help them until they can admit the errors of their ways. An alcoholic must first admit the problem. An obese person must first admit the problem. Conversation consisting of lies can only go so far.

PL

maybe one day there'll be a page that people can go to that will explain how the 20k rumour came about and why its not true and people can check it through and be done with it

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 09, 2009, 09:56:48 AM
He is a liar because he has repeatedly said Steorn made "promises" when after several posts he still refuses to show one single quote from Steorn backing up his statement. That's pretty shady to lie about a company like that, especially when it has to do with global "free energy."  I have zero respect for people like that.


I have zero respect for people who make such statements without any proof. So yes, until you can post a direct quote from Steorn that includes the word "Promise" and show your reference, you too are a liar. Simple as that. No respect!


You two should be ashamed of yourselves.


PL

No one is a liar here . Only because Steorn have just about deleted everything they have ever said from their website does not mean these things have not been said in the past.

They still say they have a running motor and that is a lie. Let them prove it. They can't.

Steorn has all the hallmarks of a scam.

Hans von Lieven

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 09, 2009, 10:41:44 AM
An obese person must first admit the problem. Conversation consisting of lies can only go so far.

LOL... I have admitted I'm obese on more than one occasion, but I'm still a fat fucker !   ;D

But please stop calling Mr Vonlieven a liar, he cannot help what he has read, and I have also read some of the stuff he's seen in the past. But as Hans already said, a lot of the stuff seems to have been deleted from the web. But I cannot varify wether I saw it on the Steorn website or elsewhere on the web.

Please trust me, Mr Vonlieven isn't a bad person. He's good, I can sense it  ;)

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 09, 2009, 12:36:40 PM

They still say they have a running motor and that is a lie. Let them prove it. They can't.

Steorn has all the hallmarks of a scam.

Hans von Lieven

I knew it right from the beginning.
M.

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 01:16:49 PMLOL... I have admitted I'm obese on more than one occasion, but I'm still a fat fucker !   ;D

Admitting is only the first step.

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 01:16:49 PMBut please stop calling Mr Vonlieven a liar, he cannot help what he has read, and I have also read some of the stuff he's seen in the past. But as Hans already said, a lot of the stuff seems to have been deleted from the web. But I cannot varify wether I saw it on the Steorn website or elsewhere on the web.

I have never read any such post. Check archive.org, or google cache. Steorn quotes are heavily documented by the media. Find a good reference if you truly believe Steorn made these promises. So you people can't find the quotes, yet you find this need to continue your trashing/gossip. People should really stop spreading lies and rumors. It is sick that people trash Steorn when all Steorn was trying to do is offer help by building a pump in Africa.


PL

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 01:16:49 PMPlease trust me, Mr Vonlieven isn't a bad person. He's good, I can sense it  ;)

Good and bad are merely relative words. Maybe saddam hussein believes bin laden is a good person. ;) Somehow I can't believe that spreading negative untrue gossip about a company when you can't show a shred of proof to back your statement as being a good thing from my POV.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 09, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
Good and bad are merely relative words. Maybe saddam hussein believes bin laden is a good person. ;) Somehow I can't believe that spreading negative untrue gossip about a company when you can't show a shred of proof to back your statement as being a good thing from my POV.

PL

Like I said, I cannot varify wether I saw it on the Steorn website, or another website, so you haven't understood my post properly. What I have seen before has been deleted along with the original Steorn pages. That does not make me or Hans a liar.

I'm not saying wether or not Steorn is bullcrapping, I'm very open minded. I just want to see a more interesting and solid article that actually shows and proves a working ORBO.

If you have proof that a working ORBO exist, then hurry up and put me out of my misery, and show me a link !

theres never been a "give us 20k" claim from steorn.
never, bloody, ever.

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 03:00:34 PMLike I said, I cannot varify wether I saw it on the Steorn website, or another website, so you haven't understood my post properly. What I have seen before has been deleted along with the original Steorn pages. That does not make me or Hans a liar.

Again, hans was very clear in saying that Steorn made promises. hans statement was *not* asking. Please read the quotes in this thread and stop bending the truth.

Quote:

Quote from: hansvonlievenSteorn have said and promised a lot of things in the past that have ALL turned to shit

Thanks,
PL

Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 08, 2009, 03:32:21 AM
Paul, I have a very strong ***FEELING*** you are part of their marketing team.

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 01:16:49 PMPlease trust me, Mr Vonlieven isn't a bad person. He's good, I can ***SENSE*** it  ;)

Well there's the problem, lol. Feelings and intuition are highly undeveloped in people. Try using concrete logic, mental consciousness. It does wonders! :)

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 09, 2009, 03:15:43 PM
Well there's the problem, lol. Feelings and intuition are highly undeveloped in people. Try using concrete logic, mental consciousness. It does wonders! :)

PL

I don't know about whatever problem you have vith Hans personal or otherwise, I always try to get along with people on this site. I just happen to think Mr Vonlieven is an OK guy. He has always been polite to me, and above all, whenever he answers any of my posts or ideas, he always finds the time to listen and help.

I even think you're OK deep down, but you must really try to get along with others, no matter what their views are. Unless they work for OPEC of course  ;D

Quote from: Bulbz on February 09, 2009, 06:45:14 PMyou must really try to get along with others, no matter what their views are.

I place truth over what others may think of me. I firmly believe one of humanities biggest problems is avoiding true communication. True communication is *NOT* dancing around peoples sensitive emotions.

PL

hey paul l
hows this for true communication
u sound like a paid shill for steorn even though i dont think u r
u do nothing but gush over them
when in fact they have never produced anything but gibberish and requests for $$
and u calling hans and others liars is out of line
hans is usually very thoughtful and helpful and knowledgable
u r picking the wrong fight
cause next thing u know u will have a gang of others ready to beat u down good
so maybe u should learn up on the history of steorn and u will see
thus far its been nothing but fluff with no substance
or more like bullshit in more direct language

>:(

Quote from: yoyo on February 09, 2009, 09:33:14 PMwhen in fact they have never produced anything but gibberish and requests for $$

"Fact" huh? LOL  Maybe you people have a different definition of the word "fact." Maybe you have access to inside the Steorn company and know for "fact" that "they have never produced anything but gibberish and requests for $$"  I don't think so.

Quote from: yoyo on February 09, 2009, 09:33:14 PMcause next thing u know u will have a gang of others ready to beat u down good

That means nothing to me. Go for it. See how much you can beat me down. LOL You and your cronies couldn't harm me in any way possible. So yes, I am calling hans a liar because he knowingly said something false about a company.

I will always ask people for proof when they trash a company.  :)

Quote from: yoyo on February 09, 2009, 09:33:14 PMso maybe u should learn up on the history of steorn and u will see
thus far its been nothing but fluff with no substance
or more like bullshit in more direct language

"Fluff" "bullshit"  what do you and your cronies have to show?  Show us something?


PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 09, 2009, 07:41:10 PM
I place truth over what others may think of me. I firmly believe one of humanities biggest problems is avoiding true communication. True communication is *NOT* dancing around peoples sensitive emotions.

PL

I think this is one of the biggest example of reversing the burden of proof that I have witnessed.

What exactly is this truth that you are martyring yourself for?  The only absolute truth regarding Steorn is that we do not know for 100% sure, without a doubt, what they are up to.  You don't, and we don't.  However, on one side we have the laws of magnetism as mankind has developed them and scientists have rigorously tested them.  On the other side we have Sean's word and some videos of engineers talking.  Well, sorry for being skeptical, but until and unless Steorn actually produces a running device, skepticism is all Steorn is entitled to.  Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof on their behalf, rather than the absence of proof to the contrary.

AMEN

I completely agree with this.
Let's see and wait, seeing is believing

The jury is still out on Steorn. the jury as in, us. lets just wait and see. at least they update their websites nowadays.

Quote from: esaruoho on February 09, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
theres never been a "give us 20k" claim from steorn.
never, bloody, ever.

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 09, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
"Fact" huh? LOL  Maybe you people have a different definition of the word "fact." Maybe you have access to inside the Steorn company and know for "fact" that "they have never produced anything but gibberish and requests for $$"  I don't think so.

So are you guys are basically saying that Steorn are not asking for money ?.

Does this mean that if an average Joe like myself went on their website and requested the information on how to build one of those ORBO things, they would send me that information ?.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm just asking simple information, and I expect a simple answer !

they dont sell the info. theres no paypal pricetag with 356892348928432$ for steorns secrets. they had that SPDC and now the SKDB  that is NDA/proprietary mess  that only a select few get into, and in there  they i guess study the anomalies and talk sensibly about it, but theres no kits being sold.

Which jury? There is none and there will never be any. Haven't you grasped that yet.

Quote from: esaruoho on February 10, 2009, 06:58:47 AM
The jury is still out on Steorn. the jury as in, us. lets just wait and see. at least they update their websites nowadays.

just got this steorn press-release in the mail

Dublin, 10 February 2009.

After six years of research and development, Steorn launches the first of the four technology streams associated with the development of Orbo technology.

SteornLab is a range of laboratory and test equipment targeted at organisations developing rotary and magnetic systems. The first two SteornLab products are available to purchase from today.

A second technology range, ZeroF passive magnetic bearings, is scheduled for commercial launch during summer 2009.

The Steorn commercialisation and e-learning platform, SKDB, will launch alongside the much-anticipated Orbo technology towards the end of 2009.

The final testing of the SKDB commences with a call for 300 engineering organisations / qualified engineers to sign up. There will be no subscription charge for those involved in this final testing phase, just a requirement to enter into our standard developer licence agreement.

"2009 represents a turning point for Steorn, Orbo and our other technology ranges," said CEO Sean McCarthy. "It marks the end of a long cycle of R&D and sees us making a strong push towards commercialisation - our plans show the business reaching profitability in the next 12 to 18 months."

ENDS

Quote from: esaruoho on February 10, 2009, 06:58:47 AM
The jury is still out on Steorn. the jury as in, us. lets just wait and see. at least they update their websites nowadays.

Quote from: Ergo on February 10, 2009, 01:16:25 PM
Which jury? There is none and there will never be any. Haven't you grasped that yet.

hey ergo. how about your put your spectacles on the table and get back to word + sentence comprehension.
which jury? THE JURY, AS IN, US.

Quote from: esaruoho on February 10, 2009, 12:05:30 PM
they dont sell the info. theres no paypal pricetag with 356892348928432$ for steorns secrets. they had that SPDC and now the SKDB  that is NDA/proprietary mess  that only a select few get into, and in there  they i guess study the anomalies and talk sensibly about it, but theres no kits being sold.

OK so there's no pricetag, now we're getting somewhere. Does that mean they will never ask for money for the information ?.

So can I obtain the info from Steorn and attempt to build it myself ?.

Like I asked before, I need a simple answer.

cya bulbz, im off to make music.
go take part in SKDB. its on their site.

yours, esa
http://www.lackluster.org (http://www.lackluster.org)

If you take them at their word (as stated in the vid); they intend to make their money through licensing the technology to manufacturers in several different fields; and not by manufacturing anything directly. So the answer is apparently "No" ; you can't buy anything from them unless you own a company and want to sign a commercial licensing Agreement.

It's an interesting strategy; And it is also very interesting that their first Road Stops are in the Middle East..  I wonder if they care if the buyers of the licenses do anything with the Orbo or just shelve it??  If they offer licenses to one company per each major branch of consumer and commercial electronics such as "cell phones", "refrigerators", "small home appliances", "small general purpose batteries / power supplies", "digital watches", "automotive", and "aerospace" just to name a few... Then we could see a situation where some of the companies buy it and shelve it just to deprive their competition of it, while others do not. All would have to completely shelve it for the technology to be fully suppressed then. Once the first company starts shipping units with Orbo tech in it, we will know how it works ;) 

I guess it would depend on how their Agreements are worded: Do they want a flat rate; per year or just paid once... Or will they insist on a royalty-type arrangement where they are paid by volume?

I don^t really know how Steorn and Kotschorov from Akoil wanted to make it run?
As i remember sth from old times, paradoxally, stable magnets although stable should run circullary to achieve
any free energy.
I had spoken yesterday with Mr. Kotschurov.
He had said, that they already don^t have this electric power producing machine which was shown 2 years ago
on his russian site.
Stable magnets simply change its mass to energy in his liftime, according do E=mC^2.
What make this process possible is rotation (vortex).
It simply saying, gives out energy cumulated earlier in process of building mass of magnets.
But if we run of magnets at all, there will be free energy no more......
Maybe they had another mean of  extracting energy from magnets, but i don^t  know it (sorry). :'(
DN

I had heard, that sombody already 100 years ago had built in Florida a Coral Castle using such rotating stable magnets principle. :o

Quote from: Doctor No on February 10, 2009, 02:36:30 PM
I had heard, that sombody already 100 years ago had built in Florida a Coral Castle using such rotating stable magnets principle. :o

that would be Ed Leedskalnin, the latvian, who wrote the book "Magnetic Current" - where he speaks about magnetism and electricity.. and created the Coral Castle in Florida. ..

yes, it would be intriguing to have an expertof Leedskalnin and his explanation of the inner functionings of magnetism  weigh in on the whole Steorn / other magnetic field movement  inventions.

http://www.rexresearch.com/leedskal/leedskal.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/leedskal/leedskal.htm) -  http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/exper/magcur.htm (http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/exper/magcur.htm)    - http://www.josephnewman.com/Single_Magnetic_Charges.html (http://www.josephnewman.com/Single_Magnetic_Charges.html)

Thanks!
He had really big knowledge about magnetism and electricity.
But don^t forget that already in XIX century was much talken about aether.
And second half of XIX century was raise in practical knowledge about electricity.
But during Einstein^ s time, cos nobody could really call what to hell an aether really is, this knowledge was simply abandoned and put into archives.
The greatest problem was for a new wave of Einstein^s scientists what in popular language is called: antigravity force.
Only german scientists had it reworked.
Victor Schauberger had done it more precisly, by closer examination of the Nature.
He simply knew, that all we know as magnetism, electricity, thunder (electrogravity) all chemical and physical rules which were than and even not yet discovered, are simply gathered in 1 drop of water, and not only, but in something which is not material-water is a transfer medium for all what happens in our closest and most distant surrounding. ???

SO....it seems like to me, steorn is selling out -suppression I bet is en route, I bet they had something, and sold it.....
--------------------------------

I wonder if they played off an actual discovery as a hoax, think about it
-you make a discovery and naturally make plans to show it off, then you get a visit from some "investors" like GE or EXXON and they tell you, "why don't you botch your demo, get a buttload o money from us, give us the rights to the free energy and you can even have the rights to the parts that make it work (magnetic bearings and such) build your company up with the new funds, or you can fight an up hill battle against the energy giants and you will be in court for the rest of your life or until you run out of money"


I wouldn't get your hopes up folks-


peace

 ::)

well, im yet to get a response from steorn on the usb hall probe. i would like to find out how much it costs, etc, and they say it is available from feb5th. maybe i wasnt a notable mailer or it got lost. ohwell.

why cant he SIMPLY put out a video ?.....and lay all the BS to rest ?.

like the missile that hit the pentagon, opps i mean the plane, JUST RELEASE THE VIDEO!.

....yeahhhhhh righht.

Quote from: esaruoho on February 10, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
cya bulbz, im off to make music.
go take part in SKDB. its on their site.

yours, esa
http://www.lackluster.org (http://www.lackluster.org)

That didn't answer my question, and wasn't a simple answer.

Quote from: Bulbz on February 10, 2009, 09:08:34 PM

That didn't answer my question, and wasn't a simple answer.

www.steorn.com go to skdb

Quote from: esaruoho on February 10, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
www.steorn.com go to skdb

I just entered my email address and clicked Register, and I now eagerly await a reply.

Cheers Bud

Quote from: Bulbz on February 10, 2009, 09:26:46 PM
I just entered my email address and clicked Register, and I now eagerly await a reply.

Cheers Bud

and have they responded

Quote from: esaruoho on February 12, 2009, 04:00:07 AM

and have they responded

Not yet.

I only done it about 2:00 am Wednesday morning1

Quote from: esaruoho on February 10, 2009, 08:19:25 PM
::)

well, im yet to get a response from steorn on the usb hall probe. i would like to find out how much it costs, etc, and they say it is available from feb5th. maybe i wasnt a notable mailer or it got lost. ohwell.

Well, I've heard that the USB thingy will cost you >280 Eur...
It may get popular with the worldwide Magnetic FE researchers...

An "of the shelf" Hall's chip in package with an USB circuit and accompanying software?
For 10k pieces order, the cost would be somewhere at 25â,¬.... Made in China, of course....


It's a "one axis" magnetic field "measuring"/evaluation stuff, good for the basic experiments... Maybe it shows their effect "in vivo", too...?



You send them a request ? Well, I think they may have been busy right now with the presentations of their "tech" in the "big oil" countries...

Why not? If anyone of the Sheiks sees the potentials / possibility, he would instantly invest in the concept.... If they spend hundreds of millions for the horses, yachts, fancy buildings,... Why not invest in the future, into revolution?   

The sick West hasn't recognised the potential so far....  ;)

So, the "technology" may, eventually, end in the "BigOil's" hands....
Lovely....

I found this article on the BBC website regarding steorn,

What is he holding in his hands? also there is a picture of it a little way down the page..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm)

Quote from: mindsweeper on February 13, 2009, 06:42:00 AM
I found this article on the BBC website regarding steorn,
What is he holding in his hands? also there is a picture of it a little way down the page..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm)

*facepalm*.. this is a press-shot, from july 2007, of the failed Steorn demonstration, where he held the rotating device in his hands. later on when the cameras + lamps were switched on for the broadcast etc, there was a problem with the bearings due to heat+friction and it all went bonkers.

how about you let us know when you find a 2009 article that has something new.

Quote from: esaruoho on February 13, 2009, 06:46:36 AM
*facepalm*.. this is a press-shot, from july 2007, of the failed Steorn demonstration, where he held the rotating device in his hands. later on when the cameras + lamps were switched on for the broadcast etc, there was a problem with the bearings due to heat+friction and it all went bonkers.

how about you let us know when you find a 2009 article that has something new.

I knew exactly the date, I did not know however what it was he was holding in his hand, hence the question.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Orbo_demo_July2007_95x95.jpg (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Orbo_demo_July2007_95x95.jpg)
"We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steorn_cancellation.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steorn_cancellation.jpg)

anyway, heres some news about their talks:
http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2009/02/steorn-middle-east-tour-qatar.html (http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2009/02/steorn-middle-east-tour-qatar.html)

oh, nice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz3_XtliupM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz3_XtliupM)
"Engineer John A M Rice asked 4 questions for the conclusion of his testing report on the Steorn Effect.

Is the test equipment appropriate and suitable for purpose? - YES

Is the predictor test rig, and it's component parts, controls and it systems utilIsed in a manner that delivers accurate, consistent and repeatable test results? - YES

Are the applied methods and procedures as observed by yours truly during the tests objective and pertinent? - YES

Do the test results provide a suitable context in support of the claim - YES"

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Thursday, December 18, 2008 - Steorn Talks at DIT: Main Points For Discussion
College of Technology, Bolton Street
Free energy technology development company Steorn today delivered a presentation and information on things to come regarding their technology - Orbo. The main bullet points at the talk were:
* This is the start of Orbo's commercialization process with a launch in 2009
* More highly credible independent validations agreeing with Steorn's findings will be published
* 300 engineers/companies to be involved in replicating the technology for themselves
* Specific designs / configurations / blueprints will be available to be built by engineers
* Steorn talks to take place in many tens of universities around the world over 6-9 month period
* Working designs have been built by Steorn
* Jurors now number 21 from the original 22
The public talk was hosted in room 134 of Dublin Institute of Technology and was attended by 30 or so people. Steorn CEO ( Sean McCarthy ) spoke to a very receptive audience about free energy topics, CoE (Conservation Of Energy) and more importantly discussed aspects of the upcoming Orbo technology.
Sean started by discussing the history of Steorn including how they were aksed by Microsoft to develop a CD/DVD anti-counterfeiting technology which they then went on to successfully do.
He explained how their customers were law enforcement agencies and how they worked with them on a number of things including technology to protect ATM machines from card skimmers.
The Orbo technology fell out of this project when they discovered anomalies with the magnets in the micro-wind turbines used to power the remote cameras. They got "really strange readings" and delved deeper to try and explain things rationally.
Sean revealed how it has been a very difficult journey for the company. Firstly they themselves weren't convinced that the effect was real and then they had to realise what they had and come to terms with it.
Sean went on to say the following about the upcoming launch and tour:
"In February we will be asking 300 engineers / engineering organisations to start replicating this stuff" - He then went on to say "this is the start of our commercialization process".
As part of the rollout process of Orbo free energy technology he said: "We're going to be putting into the public domain more forms of validation that's been done of the technology over the years. So this is not just us going it's true you must believe me, this is other very very credible sources who've gone and tested it". Those people came to the same conclusions.
Photographs of the DIT event will follow in a later posting when we recieve them.
Listen to the Presentation audio here
http://www.soundlantern.com/UpdatedSoundPage.do?ToId=25213 (http://www.soundlantern.com/UpdatedSoundPage.do?ToId=25213)



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maybe this will get people up to speed.

Quoteanomalies with the magnets in the micro-wind turbines used to power the remote cameras.

LOL. People believe this stuff?  ::)

I know everytime I use an ATM, I look up at the camera and there is the little micro wind turbine, humming away.

Steorn did get a nice shout-out on this blog though.

http://shelleytherepublican.com/2009/02/12/steorns-orbo-proof-that-science-does-not-have-all-the-answers.aspx