Very interesting. It is often a "good" thing in this field , imo, to hear about an "all-new concept"... As this would certainly be, since it is using "magnets vs. iron" instead of "magnets vs. magnets". It's significant in that, there could be a very good reason why we have not heard of it yet  

One thing we would need to understand to better get an idea of what he meant exactly, is the author's use of the word "Yokes". Precisely how is this word used in the Romanian technical world? in English, it is often used to describe specially-shaped coil assemblies (such as the flyback on a CRT tube).  Of course it is also used as "egg yoke", and to describe the rope & harness arrangement for a bullock pulling a plow or wagon on a farm.

In one of the later passages there, it was interesting to note that the author gave the impression that the secret service & government stomped on the research, and then sold it to Western interests / corporations.... Lol getting a "pay-off" from the Capitalists to shelve it. Hearing the actual NAME of the entity that they sold it to would be great.. And would possibly lead to finding some independent proofs of the existence of the device

1987 is over 20 years ago. Patents should no longer be binding. "Freedom of Information Act" may allow some stray memos on this subject to be found (and maybe some witnesses willing to testify on its existence); if it did indeed end up in some corporation's dusty shelf through government auspices.

This device, if it actually existed and the poster in that forum was telling the truth, could be ripe to be Open Sourced. In fact, i would submit that is the ONLY avenue for this to go forward now. This guy won't get his permissions from his government (or any other).... And if he persists, could get into trouble for it. Meanwhile, if the device is shown to work and then replicated all over the world by many good folks, it can no longer be "suppressed".  The way to defeat suppression tactics cold, and to be truly "safe", is to get the info out as widely as possible, as quickly as possible... So it's too late to stop.

Quote from: spacetrax on September 21, 2009, 02:23:54 AM
No, it is NOT 7 Mach.   1 qm of propeller surface does not mean that the propeller must have 1 meter diameter. And one can make many small propellers and put them one behind the other, making a compressor, which is what they really made.

Thanks, that clears it up.
I recently rented a waterscooter (big jet ski). Its performance got me thinking again about jets, encapsulated fans, etc.
Time for a hurricane in a box!

I have a Romanian friend that can translate these,  stay tuned....
EM

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ROMANIAN ORIGINAL TEXT OF GILLDARIDA:
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Sunt un cercetator roman specializat in tehnologii neconventionale; sunt unul dintre foarte putinii romani (3 sau 4 in total) care detine completa informatie tehnica privind sistemele de propulsie, sistemele energogeneratoare si de comunicatii - ale viitorului indepartat; paradoxal, multe dintre aceste inventii sunt foarte vechi, dar oranduirea sclavagista mondiala le-a blocat permanent accesul public.  Ar trebui sa scriu roman intreg ca sa explic acum ce-i aia ,,oranduire sclavagista"; mai grav, daca as spune o serie de lucruri apropos de cine sta in spatele acestei oranduiri, s-ar putea considera ca incalc statutul acestui forum si mi-ar fi interzis acccesul...

I am a Romanian scientist specialized in non-conventional technologies.  I am one of the very few Romanians, (total of 3 or 4) which posses the complete technical information about: propulsion systems, systems of energy generators, and communicated information-of the distant future.  Paradoxically, a lot of these inventions are very old, but the “World Order of Slavery” blocked public access permanently.  I would need to write an entire novel to now explain what is this“World Order of Slavery”, even worse, if I would say a series of things about who stands behind this order, it could be considered that I’m violating the forum rules, and this may result in my loss of access to it….

Specialitatea mea o reprezinta defapt sistemele de propulsie aerospatiala dar cunosc multe si in alte domenii mai mult sau mai putin apropiate de ingineria aerospatiala. Voi discutati aici despre ,,motoarele magnetice"...Sa stiti ca in Romania a fost realizat un astfel de motor cu incepere din anul 1973, pentru ca in anul 1983-1984 sa fie motorizata o Dacie 1300 cu acest motor deosebit. Rezultatele au fost atat de spectaculoase incat toata documentatia si modelele experimentale au fost imediat confiscate de catre Securitate. Doar o parte din aceste materiale au mai putut fi recuperate cu incepere din anul 1992 si dupa moartea inventatorului, in 1993.

My specialty is in fact represented by aerospace propulsion systems, but I also know a lot in other domains, more or less related to aerospace engineering.  You are discussing here about “Magnet Motors”, you should know that in Romania, such a motor was realized beginning with the year 1973, so that in the year 1983-1984, a Dacie 1300 car was motorized with such a special motor.  The results were so spectacular that all the documentation and the experimental models were immediately confiscated by the Security Forces. Only a small part of these materials were still able to be recovered, beginning with the year 1992 and after the death of the inventor in 1993.

La ora actuala suntem in Romania trei persoane care detinem si conservam aceasta documentatie. Unul dintre acestia trei nu are decat date foarte generale si o serie de acte originale, un altul detine majoritatea documentatiei originale intocmite olograf de catre inventator si in fine, subsemnatul, detin si administrez documentatia oficiala din cadrul dosarului de cercetare.

Presently, there are three of us in Romania, which hold and preserve this documentation.  One of these three has only general dates and a series of original official documents; another holds the majority of the original documentation hand written by the inventor; and finally, me the underwriter, I hold and administer the official documentation pertaining to the official research file.

N-as fi intrat pe acest forum daca in curand nu s-ar fi pregatit o intrare oficiala pe piata a lucrarii tehnice la care ma refer in aceste randuri...Este posibil ca in urmatoarele cateva luni sa avem in sfarsit accesul public, macar cu o anumita parte dintre lucrarile de tehnologie neconventionala din cadrul dosarelor de cercetare secreta. Motoarele magnetice pe care le vedeti pe internet (JNaudin.free.fr ; rex research.com ; peswiki.com etc) sunt in cea mai mare parte din cazuri nefunctionale sau de randament foarte slab; va asigur ca am urmarit cu atentie tot ceea ce circula pe internet si pe de alta parte cunosc adevarata tehnologie a acestor motoare - schema reala este foarte departe de ceea ce puteti gasi pe internet!

I would not have joined this forum if an official entry on the market place would not have been prepared soon for our technical works, to which I am referring in these lines.  It is possible that in the following months we will finally have public access, at least to a certain part of the non-conventional technology works pertaining to the secret official research files.  The magnetic motors that you see on the internet (e.g. JNaudin.fre.fr, rex.research.com, peswiki.com, etc…) are in a large part nonfunctional, or of very low performance; I assure you that I have been following closely everything that circulates on the internet, and on the other hand, I know the true technology of these motors - the true schematic is quite different than what you can find on the internet!

Deocamdata nu voi da niciun amanunt despre chestia asta - suntem in tratative pentru a obtine acordul de iesire pe piata cu asa-ceva; daca se va ajunge la asta, vom putea atunci discuta liber si am sa va dau toate amanuntele - ce materiale va sunt necesare, configuratia componentelor, principiul de functionare etc etc.

Right now I will not provide any detail about this thing â€" we are in negotiations to obtain the agreement to come out unto the market with such things; if we get there, then we can discuss freely, and I will give you all the details, whatever materials you find necessary, the configuration of the components, the functional principle, etc…

In ceea ce priveste motoarele magnetice cu scuturi sau deflectoare de camp - dragii mei, va amagiti: adevaratele motoare magnetice nu sunt facute pe baza de ,,scuturi" sau ,,ecranare de camp magnetic" ci printr-o anumita configurare a pieselor polare si dispunerea in postura de ,,intrefier" a unui element rotoric de reactie, a carui geometrie nu seamana cu nimic din ceea ce stiti in electrotehnica clasica; acesta este segmentat(golurile de aer dintre segmente provocand variatia reluctantei) si configurat de asa-natura incat fiecare segment sa formeze un vector care prin insumare sa genereze deplasarea circulara.
Va repet, schema adevarata nu o gasiti pe internet; internet-ul este plin de intoxicare informativa si tot felul de falsuri. In fine,daca va intereseaza totusi deflectoarele de camp magnetic si chiar credeti ca veti reusi ceva cu astea,va pun la dispozitie aici brevete recente pe tema ,,scuturilor magnetice" :

(nota : pentru a vedea si desenele atasate acestui brevet, cautati brevetul pe site-ul esp@cenet.com)

Concerning magnetic motors with shields, or deflectors of the magnetic field, my dear ones, you a deceiving yourselves; true magnet motors are not based on “shields” or the “blockage of the magnetic field,” but on a certain configuration of the motor poles and the placement in the gap of a reactionary rotational element, the geometry of which resembles nothing you are familiar with from classical electrodynamic theory.  This element is segmented (the air gaps between the segments creating a variable reluctance) and configured of such nature that every segment will form a vector (of force), such that through vector addition (from all the segments), it will generate a circular displacement.  I will repeat, you will not find the true schematic on the internet - the internet is intoxicatingly full of information and of every kind of falsehood.  Anyway, if you are still interested in magnetic field deflectors, and even believe that you will succeed with these, I will make available to you here, recent patents on the subject of “magnetic shields”:
(note:  to also see the figures associated with the patent, find the patent on the website esp@cenet.com)


Cel care la inceputul anilor '70 a inventat acest motor magnetic,secretizat iata - de atata vreme deja,a pornit de la tehnica clasica si fara scopul de a obtine...ceea ce a obtinut pana la urma.El facuse studiile superioare in Paris(perioada interbelica) fiind pregatit taman in electrotehnica(L'Ecole Superieure d'Electrotecnique) iar in timpul unor conferinte internationale ale vremii,avusese in mai multe randuri ocazia de a discuta si a se consulta cu Nikola Tesla. Izbucnirea celui de-al doilea razboi mondial l-a adus inapoi in tara,unde a si ramas chiar si dupa venirea regimului comunist.

The one who in the early ‘70s invented this magnetic motor, still kept secret after such a long time already, began from classical theory and without the objective of obtaining that which he finally did obtain in the end.  He completed advanced studies in Paris (before WWII), in fact at the famous electrotechnical school: L’Ecole Superieure d’Electrotechnique, and during a number of international conferences at the time, he had numerous occasions to discuss and consult with Nikola Tesla.  The start of the Second World War brought him back to Romania, where he remained even after the arrival of the communist regime.

Pe la mijlocul anilor '60 el a pornit un program de cercetare pentru ameliorarea electrotehnicii clasice ; in acest scop el a luat fiecare element al electrotehnicii clasice si l-a analizat in briefing - principiul de functionare si dezavantaje.
In final, pe marginea studiului individual al fiecarui element, a stabilit cauzele generale care limiteaza performantele "motoarelor electrice"(aici luat termenul cu intelesul sau general) indiferent de categoria sau tipul acestora. In concluziile acestui scurt studiu analitic el a facut o lista cu marile impedimente tehnologice de care se izbeste toata gama motoarelor electrice,dupa care,pe rand a studiat fiecare impediment in parte si de-a lungul anilor a testat mai multe solutii. Dupa un numar de ani de cercetare si experimentare practic permanenta, a ajuns sa puna la punct cate o solutie practica si simpla pentru fiecare problema cu care se confrunta tehnica clasica a motoarelor electrice.

In the mid ‘60s, he began a scientific research program aimed at improving classical electrodynamic theory.  To this end, he took every element of the classic electrodynamic theory and analyzed it in brief â€" it’s functional principle and disadvantages.  Finally, in addition to the individual study of each element, he established the general causes that limit the performance of electric motors, regardless of their category or type.  In the conclusion of this short analytic study, he made a list of the great technological impediments that all categories of electric motors will confront, after which, he studied each impediment in turn, and along the years he tested lots of solutions.  After a number of years researching and experimenting, practically non-stop, he manged to sort out a practical and simple solution for every problem that confronts the classical theory of electric motors.

Asadar,el a pornit de la incercarea de ameliorare a tehnicii existente,fara sa prevada rezultatele impresionante la care va ajunge...Tot ameliorand si aducand modificari la schema motorului electric de curent continuu,el a obtinut un motor ale carui componente au o configuratie complet atipica,modificand nu doar geometria componentelor motorului ci si principiul de functionare,dinamica ansamblului,modul de aplicare a campurilor magnetice,felul in care inchide liniile de camp in cadrul sistemului de forte magnetomotoare,etc,etc.

Therefore, he started from trying to improve existing theory, without foreseeing the impressive results to which he would arrive….constantly improveing and bringing modifications to the design of the DC electric motor, he eventually obtained a motor which has its components configured completely atypical, modifying not only the geometry of the motor components but also the functional principle, the dynamics of the assembly, the mode of application of the magnetic fields, the style in which the magnetic field lines close with regard to the system of magneto-motor forces, etc, etc.   


to be continued ..... (check back often as I will update this post periodically,  already updated 3 times)

looks like I can only do so many updates to a posting... here's more and a very important passage too..


Initial, acest motor a fost realizat din piese polare excitate electric(electromagneti)dar ulterior,mergand pe noua schema obtinuta,el a reusit s-o aplice si cu magneti permanenti,acestia fiind STATORICI si neexistand in schema niciun fel de deflectoare de camp magnetic,scuturi,etc.
Defapt,el a inteles ca ideea sau principiul interactiunii dintre campuri magnetice adverse situate pe stator si rotor,este din start o grava greseala conceptuala care nu are cum sa scoata un randament bun indifierent de dispunerea magnetilor sau alte metode aplicate ,- si-a dat seama ca piesele polare sau magnetii,trebuiesc lasati intr-o pozitie statica,fixa,in cadrul unui dispozitiv care sa asigure o perfecta inchidere a liniilor de camp, iar intr-o anumita pozitie fata de acest dispozitiv magnetic sa fie dispus un fel de "turbina magnetica" adica un element de reactie fata de campul magnetic generat de ansamblul magnetilor ficsi,statorici.Rotorul devine deci un simplu element de reactie,care nu poarta pe el magneti,electromagneti si nici nu produce campuri (electro)magnetice de interactiune ; el nu interactioneaza ci REACTIONEAZA.

Initially, this motor was realized and built with poles excited electrically (i.e., electromagnets) but later, following the newly obtained scheme, he succeeded in implementing it also with permanent magnets, these being stator magnets, and in the scheme being found no existence of any shields or magnetic field deflectors, etc.  In fact, he understood that the idea or the principle of interaction between opposing magnetic fields, situated on the stator and rotor, is from the beginning a grave conceptual mistake which can not produce good efficiency, regardless of the magnet arrangement or of any other applied methods â€" he realized that the poles or the magnets need to be left in a static position, fixed, in regard to a device that enables the perfect closure of the magnetic field lines, and in a certain position relative to this magnetic device, to cause the realization of a kind of “magnetic turbine”, meaning, a reactive element to the magnetic field generated by the assembly of the fixed magnets, i.e., the stator ones.  The rotor then becomes a simple element of reaction, which caries no magnets on it, neither electromagnets, and not even produces (electro) magnetic fields for interaction; it does not interact, only REACTS.

to be continued..... (in a few days..)

note mention of "magnetic turbine" I once had such ideas in my head too, glad to see somebody experimented with them and they worked.

Thanks EM.

Let's see if anything comes of all this.

BEP