everything Ed used was recycled, from something he found, or something that had outlived its original "use".
even his generator itself was made from parts of his old truck, and tow-chains.
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i guess my description of "electricity" was confusing the subject, it sounds like you thought i meant something different than what i was trying to say... but i dont know any other way, than to say it the way i did.

Ed doesnt talk a lot about "electricity", except to prove that the magnetic current CAUSES the electricity.

he used iron wire because that's what he had,. it makes electricity just the same as copper, just in greater abundance for its mass (induction), the trade-off is the additional attraction force. (magnetism).

but then again, this was comming from a man who could defy gravity, lorentz' force, ect.    So to him, it didnt cause a problem to use the iron, in fact it was to his benefit.
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why does iron create more induction for its mass?
because there are more "tiny magnets" in the iron than in the copper. This causes them to set-up a permanent magnetic current through the iron. Copper does this to a much much smaller degree., which is why a "magnetized" piece of copper has a faint, almost indetectable field.
"electrons" orbit along this magnetic current path, creating a permanent magnetic field through the iron.
which is why the iron becomes "magnetized".

Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 30, 2010, 11:24:29 PM
everything Ed used was recycled, from something he found, or something that had outlived its original "use".
even his generator itself was made from parts of his old truck, and tow-chains.
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i guess my description of "electricity" was confusing the subject, it sounds like you thought i meant something different than what i was trying to say... but i dont know any other way, than to say it the way i did.

Ed doesnt talk a lot about "electricity", except to prove that the magnetic current CAUSES the electricity.

he used iron wire because that's what he had,. it makes electricity just the same as copper, just in greater abundance for its mass (induction), the trade-off is the additional attraction force. (magnetism).

but then again, this was comming from a man who could defy gravity, lorentz' force, ect.    So to him, it didnt cause a problem to use the iron, in fact it was to his benefit.
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why does iron create more induction for its mass?
because there are more "tiny magnets" in the iron than in the copper. This causes them to set-up a permanent magnetic current through the iron. Copper does this to a much much smaller degree., which is why a "magnetized" piece of copper has a faint, almost indetectable field.
"electrons" orbit along this magnetic current path, creating a permanent magnetic field through the iron.
which is why the iron becomes "magnetized".

Yep he could have recycled copper , and saved him self some time by not rewiring his alternator with iron ...

Yes those magnet are from t model ford magneto , i know that and actually been promoting recycling for 2 years ... i get that .

Now i will enjoy showing you how you are off by 90 degree tomorrow , but basically you input to many thing you know about electricity into it .
So much simpler .

The is no magnetic current in copper .

Now i am off to bed early first time this week , in the mean time think about how magnetic current would work in a chain , to help you whit this reflection  , what happens when a piece of iron is in the field of a magnet .

Is polarity stronger then the plain attraction of the iron .

What can carry more load a really big but week magnet , or a super strong micro nano neo-magnets  .

More tomorrow 

     

Quote from: Mk1 on July 31, 2010, 12:02:02 AM
The is no magnetic current in copper .

Now i am off to bed early first time this week , in the mean time think about how magnetic current would work in a chain , to help you whit this reflection  , what happens when a piece of iron is in the field of a magnet .

Is polarity stronger then the plain attraction of the iron .

What can carry more load a really big but week magnet , or a super strong micro nano neo-magnets  .
   

copper does in fact magnetize. and retain a magnetic field. as do ALL metals. to different degrees.
i can prove this, but its really irrelevant, because the feld strength of a copper magnet is so weak, that we consider it to be non-magnetic...

in a chain, hmm... the current would split at each link, wrapping around each half of the link, then merge back together....
like an "infinity sign" ....
i would theorize that each "half-current" would switch sides of the chain at the next link, then switch back at the next link, not really sure about that, thats just how i see it in my head..

"Is polarity stronger then the plain attraction of the iron?"
im not sure what you mean by that

Load: if you are talking about two magnets of the same Gauss/Tesla,  then i would go with the larger magnet. It's field domains are spread across a much larger surface area, therefore it can hold more metal-mass in its grasp.
the field domains of a neo are compressed, and the metal does not stretch them out very easily.
where-as a less powerful magnet, like say a ceramic-ferrite: the metal will draw the field domains fully around itself, and into an adjoining piece of metal.

You can do this with paperclips., get you a neo and a ceramic of the same strength.
the larger one (ceramic) can hold more metal-mass.
even though they both have the same "rating"

To demonstrate what happens to a piece of iron ( or any metal for that matter) in the presence of a magnetic field, i draw the following: i simplified this by showing the path of a single electron, in actuallity there are 26, in groups of different orbital radii.
2/8/14/2/ respectively.
keep in mind that the atomic structure of each metal is different, so the exact formation taken on by their respective electron orbits will differ, thus resulting in differing field-vectors, and subsequent megnetic induction. This drawing closely resembles Iron. pardon my crude artistic work, im no Picaso...
also i feel the need to mention, that when i say "electron", this term is used in classical physics to describe an observed phenomena, in reality what they are observing is something much different, but for the purposes of this discussion, the classical "electron" will suffice. The external magnetic field alligns the field-domain of the nucleus, which in turn, affects the orbit of the "electron".
In the case of iron, a complex atom, there are neutrons present, which themselves behave similar to iron, by which i mean the magnetic induction from the protons translates into the neutrons, giving the entire nucleus the same magnetic charge, as if the neutrons were not present. this is similar to sticking a piece of iron onto a magnet. its mass increases (and field domain expands), but the field "strength" remains relatively the same. (minus some losses due to the physical induction)
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anyways, this is my crude sketch of what is going on when iron comes into the presence of a magnetic field. Its not perfect, but this should give the general idea.

this field is an electro-magnetic field, of four distinct frequencies.
these frequencies are dependent upon the radius of the electrons respective orbits, and combine to create the irons' "atomic frequency". This frequency is extremely high, and for all intensive purposes, we view this field as a 'static-magnetic' field.

@smoky

Dose copper becomes a magnet if magnet is applied to it .

Ed did not use magnets to create electricity but to create other magnets .

We here can only think about electromagnet , for that you need electric current .

He used heavy chains to conduct magnetism not electricity , why use electricity to make magnets when magnets to it for free ...

If you ever have a chance to get what he was doing you have to keep in the magnetic domain . No conversion to electric the back to magnetic the problem is that is all we can conceive .

So what happen if you put a piece of iron on a magnet the piece of iron becomes a magnet and will repulse other magnets if not on the right polarity but if the magnet comes to close to the iron it will stick to it, ed used this to make his generator rotate .

He use the big transformer casing as a magnetic capacitor , its has big mass of iron to concentrate the magnetic field that is switch from North to south when the wheel turns , the magnetic current not electricity travels down the chain each link making its own magnetic field back to the wheel the training weight is also a magnetic capacitor .

The idea is to direct the magnetic field to push on the same polarity else where on the wheel , in the magnetic domain .

Now why the magnetic domain , look at the rod in the bottle and the chains , they are big in diameter to make sure they hold enough magnetism .

I am waiting on fresh battery to make a video example ...

Mark