Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 04:50:06 PM
I believe LENR isn't needed to accomplish this.  Dr. Stiffler's SEC is doing this by itself at lower energies to light many LED's.  An aluminum mass amplifies the effect.  However, it would be extremely dangerous to operate the SEC at higher energy levels.  Operating at higher energy levels in the SEC will more than likely generate high level gamma radiation instead of the low level gamma radiation generated in the e-Cat, which is mostly confined inside the atoms and the rest (an extremely small amount) is contained inside the reactor.  Also, an e-Cat operating at higher energies, will need more shielding.  Nuclear Power Plants have more shielding, so they could operate at the higher energy levels without the dangers. I believe the e-Cats will stay small, while chaining many small e-Cats together for higher energy output.    The SEC can also operate at lower energies with many SEC's chained together for higher energy output without the dangers of high level gamma radiation if the necessary precautions are taken.

Gravock

If I may again put in my tuppence worth.  The heat that results from your nuclear reactors is applied to water to generate steam which then turns the turbines - those motors that then generate the power for our grid supplies.  In the same way the heat applied to Rossi's E-Cat generates steam that can, optionally, be applied to motors or generators to generate electricity to run our appliances directly in our houses.  There are two things preventing this.  The one is to get enough 'oomph' to power all our electrical appliances through a single E-cat.  It would need to be more substantial than the one proposed to simply heat our homes.  The other is that when he gets to this 'scale' of application he competes with our utility suppliers.  And he'll be drowned out in bureaucratic licenses and 'authorizations' - as Rossi puts it - that he'll be tied up in years of paper work before he even starts to manufacture. 

Which is why Chess and Gwandau proposed that they first find out EXACTLY how to apply these smaller versions to their own motors - that they can circumvent all that 'control'.  Because in the final analysis - no legislation will wash - if the entire population simply apply their own solutions - as best they can and just make better use of all that steam.  And it seems that 4 E-cat units would, possibly, then supply all their needs.  And I'm reasonably certain that Rossi's well aware of this.

The trick is to either buy more than 1 E-cat.  Or hopefully, before this gets on stream - that the likes of Chess and all our other ace experimentalists - learn to substitute the E-cat in the first instance.  Either option is a really good option.  LOL.  Just as long as it takes us away from our grid suppliers.  They're as toxic as their nuclear energy.

And I hope it's clear that IF Rossi's technolgy were to replace our nuclear power stations - which is entirely feasible - that it would also manage this without any nuclear waste at all.  In other words LENR applications have NO TOXIC WASTE MATERIAL.  It's entirely green - at whatever scale.  It most certainly would be cheaper than the material that is typically used in these reactors.  And it would not require any expensive shielding.  And it would never represent a risk should there be some kind of natural catastrophe.

Again, regards,
Rosemary

Quote from: teslaalset on February 19, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
To bypass my delayed understanding, do you think direct conversion into electrical current instead of heat is feasible with similar processes like using Ni+H2?

Yes, Here's Dr. Stiffler's Youtube Channel.

Gravock

Let me make this clear.

The SEC isn't LENR.  The SEC is using the photon's momentum to impart acceleration to the electron-positron.  If the electron-positron accelerates to the minimal velocity of .62C, then there will be excess heat generated.  If the electron-positron's velocity is maintained below .62C, which I believe it is in the SEC, then no excess heat is generated.  As the electron-positron's are being accelerated to a higher velocity they will also be emitting photons at higher frequencies, thus the process repeats and is self-feeding for the electromagnetic force with the correct configuration, such as the SEC.

Now, the SEC or a similar Radio Frequency Generator is used to initiate the LENR's by accelerating the electron-positrons at or above the critical value of .62C which generates excess heat.  Rossi's e-Cat is pre-heated first, which helps to overcome the critical value of .62C at lower RF energies so it can be done in a safe manner without the higher frequency electromagnetic radiation normally required.  This excess heat generated will need to be stored to maintain the weak nuclear reactions.  This is where the catalyst comes into play.  One of the catalyst's main role is to maintain and store this excess heat.  Once this occurs, then the weak nuclear force comes into play.  A similar process will occur with the W-Z particles and weak nuclear force as it did with the electron-positron particles and electromagnetic force. 

When the W-Z particles (similar to photons, but much heavier) decrement in frequency, then this imparts acceleration and momentum to the neutrons-protons.  The movement of the neutrons-protons will be a helical motion which cancels the charge on one side according to it's rotation direction.  If a neutron is changed into a proton, then it will be displaced by the coulomb forces and change it's configuration to a proton. If a proton is changed into a neutron, then it will be displaced by the coulomb forces and change it's configuration to that of a neutron . This causes a transmutation in the elements (the second main role for the catalyst is a neutron-proton source, and without it the weak nuclear reactions won't occur and repeat itself).  I would seriously take a look at lead and/or other heavy elements which are safe along with aluminum.  I'm using this analogy because the weak nuclear force is similar to the electromagnetic force in many ways, but in reality an up quark will be flipped to a down quark, or vice-versa, changing it from a neutron to a proton or a proton into a neutron.  The neutrons-protons aren't actually accelerated, but one of the 3 quarks which make up the neutrons-protons are flipped when enough momentum is imparted to it.  Also, when a neutron or proton changes into the other, it will emit W or Z particles to repeat the process.  As long as the heat is stored and maintained, then the process is self-feeding for the weak nuclear reactions also.  Then we could take this a step further and apply it to the strong nuclear force, which I believe would be anti-gravity.  Gravity is the mismatch in frequencies.

Gravock

I added additional information in regards to the other main role of the catalyst, lol.  I've been editing my previous post for quite some time for better clarity.  I think the final revision has been made to it.

Thanks,

Gravock

And let me make this clear...

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 06:16:42 PM
Let me make this clear. The SEC isn't LENR.  The SEC is using the photon's momentum to impart acceleration to the electron-positron.  If the electron-positron accelerates to the minimal velocity of .62C, then there will be excess heat generated.  If the electron-positron's velocity is maintained below .62C, which I believe it is in the SEC, then no excess heat is generated.  As the electron-positron's are being accelerated to a higher velocity they will also be emitting photons at higher frequencies, thus the process repeats and is self-feeding for the electromagnetic force with the correct configuration, such as the SEC.

In support of an electron-positron interaction there must be the required decay or annihilation of both particles.  IF there is this decay then that, in turn, must result in the generation of heat AND an emission of photons.  The resulting radiation would - at it's least - be measurable.  What's more.  It would also result in the required alteration to the valence condition of the elements in that core material.  It would do NOTHING to alter it's nuclear properties.

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 06:16:42 PMNow, the SEC or a similar Radio Frequency Generator is used to initiate the LENR's by accelerating the electron-positrons at or above the critical value of .62C which generates excess heat.

This is purely SPECULATIVE.  THE existence of any electron-positron's is PURELY SPECULATIVE.  Certainly at this stage.

While I'm delighted to see some editing here, it's still not enough...

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 06:16:42 PMRossi's e-Cat is pre-heated first, which helps to overcome the critical value of .62C at lower RF energies so it can be done in a safe manner without the higher frequency electromagnetic radiation normally required.

Good to see that you've dropped that earlier RF requirement.  Not so good is this that follows...

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 06:16:42 PMThis excess heat generated will need to be stored to maintain the weak nuclear reactions.

An applied electric current is all that's required to sustain a weak nuclear reaction.  And a weak nuclear reaction IS an electromagnetic interaction - such as we depend on every time we run an electric appliance.

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 06:16:42 PMThis is where the catalyst comes into play.  One of the catalyst's main role is to maintain and store this excess heat.

IF it is required to maintain and store extra heat then it would NOT be described as a catalyst.  By definition a catalyst is required to INITIATE a process.  Not to continue it.  Else it would be described as a hydrogen - nickel - 'catalyst' (whatever that is) process.

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 06:16:42 PMOnce this occurs, then the weak nuclear force comes into play.

The 'weak nuclear force' is associated with the electrical input.  It has NOTHING to do with the nuclear process.

R.